Re: [Fwd: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state]

2017-09-26 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > One of the goals with my banking system si using loans to help more people > get money to do things. That was part of the reason for my general positivity about it, as well, but a) I at least have clearly done a poor

Re: [Fwd: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state]

2017-09-26 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
One of the goals with my banking system si using loans to help more people get money to do things. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: >> Here's a message th

Re: [Fwd: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state]

2017-09-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > Here's a message that, as a consequence of my email troubles, never > successfully sent. Although the immediate context is no longer > applicable, the general principles still are, so I thought I'd resend > it now that my email is working a bit better than

[Fwd: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state]

2017-09-26 Thread Alex Smith
ed Message From: Alex Smith To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Subject: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 20:15:43 +0100 > On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 07:52 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > It doesn't take 30 days due to a bug. > > > > To use

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Cuddle Beam
>any shinies from this Agency. R2466 "When an action is performed on behalf of a principal, then the action is considered for all game purposes to have been performed by the principal." I don't think that the Agency is actually giving anything. It's you.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Cuddle Beam
I feel like its a safety measure against someone suddenly spawning infinite cash and making shinies worthless. If that can be avoided (maybe the cap can increase per each Welcoming Package? Or over time? Inflation, baby) then, I'd be totally for it. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Quazie wrote:

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Quazie
I hate the economy cap - it doesn't seem fun, and seems to ruin any chance of a basic income On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 09:06 Cuddle Beam wrote: > I agree there. However I feel like Agora is going to be bone dry every > single time a "get a lot of shinies" scam appears, and a lot of them have > poppe

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Cuddle Beam
I agree there. However I feel like Agora is going to be bone dry every single time a "get a lot of shinies" scam appears, and a lot of them have popped up so far (iirc, there is that official report one that VJ has pointed out, there is the mass Stamp destruction one which Gaelan has perfected, tha

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
It doesn't take 30 days due to a bug. To use the bug, deregister, and re-register without using the words "I register" or "I become a player", or other action verbs rather, re-register by passive language indicating "reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends to become a pla

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Josh T
I would like my stamp or the value of Shinies which I paid for it back because I do not effectively have a way to earn Shinies as a casual player. If deregistration and re-registering didn't take 30 days I would seriously consider doing so so I qualify for another welcome package at this point. Exp

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
That was my main reason for assuming it would fail, and why my attempt specified an order. Gaelan > On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:55 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Coming back to the "all stamps" statement. > > "all" is a convenient shorthand and wholly unofficial. If it is too > difficult (ambig

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
> On Sep 7, 2017 3:14 AM, "V.J Rada" wrote: > So we need to make that a CAN and add "a stamp they own". I don't have > AP but someone should make and pend that. Anytime in the past we've had to pay to pend, we've always suffered from "this is a group proposal that's for the good of

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Nicholas Evans
Per Assets: "An asset generally CAN be destroyed by its owner by announcement, subject to modification by its backing document." On Sep 7, 2017 3:14 AM, "V.J Rada" wrote: So we need to make that a CAN and add "a stamp they own". I don't have AP but someo

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I point out CB’s typo. He tries again, but this attempt fails because e > doesn’t > specify which order to destroy stamps in, which now matters because Agora > can’t > afford to pay back every stamp in circulation. Heh, I should catch up before post

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
Coming back to the "all stamps" statement. "all" is a convenient shorthand and wholly unofficial. If it is too difficult (ambigious) for an officer to calculate, we can assume that the actor also didn't sufficiently specify the set to perform multiple actions, and is uncertain about what it is

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread V.J Rada
So we need to make that a CAN and add "a stamp they own". I don't have AP but someone should make and pend that. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:06 AM, Alex Smith wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 00:52 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: >>> The reason I

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:06 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 00:52 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> The reason I have seen is public now (I made an attempt). The events >> went down something like this, AFAIK: > > My reason was different, and I don't see any reason not to make it > p

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 00:52 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > The reason I have seen is public now (I made an attempt). The events > went down something like this, AFAIK: My reason was different, and I don't see any reason not to make it public (other than wanting the last Secretary's report to self-r

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
The reason I have seen is public now (I made an attempt). The events went down something like this, AFAIK: Stamp value is 4. 9 stamps exist. Agora has 36 shinies. CB attempts the scam, but typos “stamp value” into “floating value.” VJ claims a reward, bringing Agora to 26 shinies. I point out C

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 00:14 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > OK, I’m just gonna do the scam properly so I can stop keeping secrets > and whatnot. > > For each player by reverse order of first registration, I destroy eir > stamps one at a time, causing Agora to give me the stamp value in > shinies for

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 09:10 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > This is a bit of a tangent but I'm curious to see if you'll play that card > or not. Imagine you choose NOT to reveal it, and have people need to go > with a worldview that isn't according to that insight. Imagine if revealing > that or not wi

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
I believe this destroys the following stamps, in order: * 2 stamps made by nichdel, held by nichdel * 1 stamp made by PSS, held by PSS * 1 stamp made by 天火狐, held by 天火狐 * 1 stamp made by Aris, held by Aris * 1 stamp made by o, held by o (sorry, V.J Rada!) Gaelan gains 24 sh., then pays 10 to Cud

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Cuddle Beam
Ah I see now. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > OK, I’m just gonna do the scam properly so I can stop keeping secrets and > whatnot. > > For each player by reverse order of first registration, I destroy eir > stamps one at a time, causing Agora to give me the stamp value

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Cuddle Beam
This is a bit of a tangent but I'm curious to see if you'll play that card or not. Imagine you choose NOT to reveal it, and have people need to go with a worldview that isn't according to that insight. Imagine if revealing that or not will alter what is ultimately perceived to be "legal" or not fro

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Cuddle Beam
I mean, I could dredge through the archives and find each and every stamp buut there have been other actions which haven't been exhaustively specific either, yet have worked (because they were evaluable), so I'll just let it sit as it is for now. Tomorrow I can make it better if needed (unless

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
It’s much less of a nightmare than you might imagine, but if Gaelan _hasn’t_ publicly identified the failure and if either of you had spend shinies, recordkeeping across several offices would have gotten very complex very quickly. The answer to your question is 36 shinies. Nine stamps existed a

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
As I said, I had another reason that remains valid. This still failed. Muahaha Gaelan > On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:59 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > OK, we're all stupid lol, let me fix it then : P > > I destroy all stamps and cause Agora to transfer, for each, the Stamp Value > to me, in shinies. >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread V.J Rada
how much is this by the way? It may be a nightmare to bookkeep every stamp for poor o. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > OK, we're all stupid lol, let me fix it then : P > > I destroy all stamps and cause Agora to transfer, for each, the Stamp Value > to me, in shinies. > > > O