>any shinies from this Agency. R2466 "When an action is performed on behalf <https://agoranomic.org/ruleset/#Rule2466> of a principal, then the action is considered for all game purposes to have been performed by the principal."
I don't think that the Agency is actually giving anything. It's you. That said, it's now exploitable by anyone who has never gotten a Welcome Package because they could just claim the 20 shinies ad infinitum so I suggest fixing it quickerino, would I be correct in my insight. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Gaelan Steele <g...@canishe.com> wrote: > I list the following action as Performable by Agency for the purposes of > GII: giving 20 shinies to a player who has neither received a welcome > package nor any shinies from this Agency. > > Gaelan > > > On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:52 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > It doesn't take 30 days due to a bug. > > > > To use the bug, deregister, and re-register without using the words > > "I register" or "I become a player", or other action verbs rather, > > re-register by passive language indicating "reasonably clearly and > > reasonably unambiguously that e intends to become a player at that > > time." > > > > I'd think about doing so as a protest; the difficulty towards casual > > player economic participation has been pointed out and so far in > > conversations, the designers of the system either aren't seeing the > > great urgency to fix it, or think it's a feature. > > > > Of course, there aren't enough shinies to give you a welcome package > > now, so it depends on your current holdings. Another failing of > > the system is no one is actually responsible or held accountable > > for failing to pay out welcome packages - this system definitely > > supports the gerontocracy, much worse than other systems I've seen. > > > > (Not that I think this was the intent, but at this time it should > > be clear and as game designers, there should be some urgency in > > fixing it). > > > >> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote: > >> I would like my stamp or the value of Shinies which I paid for it back > because I do not > >> effectively have a way to earn Shinies as a casual player. If > deregistration and > >> re-registering didn't take 30 days I would seriously consider doing so > so I qualify for > >> another welcome package at this point. Expect me to do so at some point > if the economy > >> doesn't get fixed, and re-implement everything I own. > >> > >> 天火狐 > >> > >> On 7 September 2017 at 09:32, Gaelan Steele <g...@canishe.com> wrote: > >> That was my main reason for assuming it would fail, and why my > attempt specified an order. > >> > >> Gaelan > >> > >>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:55 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Coming back to the "all stamps" statement. > >>> > >>> "all" is a convenient shorthand and wholly unofficial. If it is too > >>> difficult (ambigious) for an officer to calculate, we can assume that > >>> the actor also didn't sufficiently specify the set to perform multiple > >>> actions, and is uncertain about what it is shorthand for, and the whole > >>> thing is unsuitably ambiguous. > >>> > >>> ALSO: we stated that "If a transaction doesn't go through, the whole > >>> thing fails." Would Agora have run out of shinies partway through > >>> destroying stamps? If so, some stamps survived. If we don't know > >>> the order in which stamps were destroyed, it is ambiguous which ones > >>> were destroyed. This is also enough to toss the whole thing out. > >>> > >>> (There is also a precedent, which I can find if there's a CFJ, that we > >>> require extra scrutiny on scam actions). > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: > >>>> how much is this by the way? It may be a nightmare to bookkeep every > >>>> stamp for poor o. > >>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> OK, we're all stupid lol, let me fix it then : P > >>>>> > >>>>> I destroy all stamps and cause Agora to transfer, for each, the > Stamp Value > >>>>> to me, in shinies. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:57 AM, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "e tried to have Agora transfer em the FLOATING value, not the SHINY > >>>>>> value." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think you mean STAMP value :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Gaelan Steele <g...@canishe.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>> I discovered two problems with Cuddle’s attempt. The first, which I > >>>>>>> believe is sufficient to make it fail, is that e tried to have > Agora > >>>>>>> transfer em the FLOATING value, not the SHINY value. This means > that VJ got > >>>>>>> his rewards. My other reason remains classified. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I’d advise that VJ still refrain from spending his shinies until > we are > >>>>>>> absolutely certain that the typo failed it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Gaelan > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> From V.J Rada > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> From V.J Rada > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> >
