Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
It's not an explicit formal obligation anywhere right now as far as I'm aware, but feel free to CFJ it to confirm that I actually have to. On a more very super duper important note: It's recordKEEPor, not recordGIVEor - my records of all existence are mine, mine!!! On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:06 AM

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Aris Merchant
No one said anything about CuddleBeam's report being self ratifying. Also, CuddleBeam, the same very strong custom which says that a recordkeepor tracks something indicates that they have to report on it somehow, either by request or in a regular report. Someone with more expirence can correct me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 07:43 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Ok don't freak out now, but you have exactly $8,008,135 by the way. Do we have to CoE this to stop it self-ratifying? Or can we ratify an Agoran legal fiction that G. has that much? Would an actual bank acknow ledge the resulting self-ratific

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
Ok don't freak out now, but you have exactly $8,008,135 by the way. Yeah, I know, I'm amazing - how does Cuddles do it? Pshe. It's child's play for someone as dapper and swagg'n as me. On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:16 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I pledge th

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
Aha! I was ready for this. I am required to track - but not to show what I'm tracking! These are unreasonable demands! Now, please leave me alone as I perform my godly duty, there's a lot to track out there. On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:34 AM D Margaux wrote: > > I think that once a person have be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread D Margaux
Maybe you can re-break it because “the time window of a pledge is 60 days” (unless otherwise specified), not “the earlier of 60 days and when it is broken.” So maybe the pledge stays in effect. The same conduct cannot give rise to repeated fines, but different breaches of the same pledge maybe can.

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
The crime isn't "failure to track", it's "breaking a pledge" (by failing to track). Once a pledge is broken, it's broken...? Can you re-break it? On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, D Margaux wrote: > > I think that once a person have been punished for breaking a pledge, the > > pledge is done (as e can't be

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread D Margaux
> I think that once a person have been punished for breaking a pledge, the > pledge is done (as e can't be punished twice, there's no requirement > anymore). So the result of the finger-point, if e is punished, is to end > the pledge. (Whether this is true is a general question about pledges, > m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Aris Merchant
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 2:23 PM D Margaux wrote: > > Your argument is something like saying that since we only > > defined what foo(int x) does, you are free to interpret the entity > > "foo" to mean the separate, hitherto by rules undefined function > > foo(char c). > > I think this is on the rig

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread D Margaux
> Your argument is something like saying that since we only > defined what foo(int x) does, you are free to interpret the entity > "foo" to mean the separate, hitherto by rules undefined function > foo(char c). I think this is on the right track for why it doesn’t work. Putting it slightly diffe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
Oh hello there! And, don't worry about butting from the outside! I am too pretty lol. I get what you mean with "king of a country", but the issue is that the term used is simply "king", not "king of country". It's a recordkeepor of assets, not a plain recordkeepor, and a plain "recordkeepor" is th

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 19:13, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I pledge the following: I pledge to be the recordkeepor of absolutely > everything. > > I then CFJ the following: Non-regulated actions cannot be performed. > > Grat. Arguments for that CFJ: > - From R2125: (3) the action would, as part of its ef

Re: DIS: Fwd: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
"CFJ 1911-1914 (called Mar 18, 2008): Physical realities supersede the Rules by default." Maybe this helps? But yeah, it would be amusing that a mere pledge can be so incredibly dangerous that it has to be stopped by the ossification rule. I'm quite curious now to see if I've actually triggered i

Re: DIS: Fwd: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread D Margaux
The CFJ answer must be no, because otherwise Agora would cease to exist and become ossified. If all actions are regulated, then they CAN be performed only in the manner described by the rules. The rules do not describe how to send or receive an email, etc. So if the CFJ is TRUE, then it would be IN

Re: DIS: Fwd: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread D Margaux
Oh wait. I spoke too soon, without understanding the upshot of your pledge. This is a hilarious and awesome pledge/CFJ. Very cool! On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:49 PM D Margaux wrote: > Hmm. I think the CFJ is trivially false. “Perform” is not defined, so we > give it its ordinary meaning. Speaking fo

DIS: Fwd: BUS: humble agoran farmer becomes a demiruge of a sort

2018-10-01 Thread D Margaux
Hmm. I think the CFJ is trivially false. “Perform” is not defined, so we give it its ordinary meaning. Speaking for myself, I perform (in the sense of “do”) a great many unregulated actions on a daily basis (e.g., waking up, getting dressed, eating meals, reading books, talking to people other t

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
Oh nice, thanks. On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:30 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > Actually, if you don't mind, I'm going to promote my unofficial ruleset, up > to date as of August 3, 2018. Should have the relevant information. > > https://github.com/AgoraNomic/ruleset/blob/trigon/slr.txt > > On Mon, Oct 1

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Reuben Staley
Actually, if you don't mind, I'm going to promote my unofficial ruleset, up to date as of August 3, 2018. Should have the relevant information. https://github.com/AgoraNomic/ruleset/blob/trigon/slr.txt On Mon, Oct 1, 2018, 10:25 Cuddle Beam wrote: > I appreciate knowing that but I was wondering

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
I appreciate knowing that but I was wondering if you had a copy of the latest version of those rules because you seem to know what they are. On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:39 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > We applied some patches in late July following the birthday tournament. > (the Rules worked for tha

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
We applied some patches in late July following the birthday tournament. (the Rules worked for that, but a CFJ pointed out the need for the patch). We read them pretty carefully and *think* they're ok and straightforward, but no one has tried one since then so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, Cu

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
How are the Tournament rules currently? On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:16 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM Alex Smith > wrote: > > What about this: we have repeated instances of a subgame each lasting a > > week or so, and some easy way to amend the rules of the subgame (ea

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM Alex Smith wrote: > What about this: we have repeated instances of a subgame each lasting a > week or so, and some easy way to amend the rules of the subgame (easier > than a proposal; Oh, and by the way: this can be done without changing a single rule, it's ca

Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll

2018-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM Alex Smith wrote: > > What about this: we have repeated instances of a subgame each lasting a > > week or so, and some easy way to amend the rules of the subgame (easier > > than a proposal; For me, the "perfect" game

Re: Economic Fees Poll (was Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll)

2018-10-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Okay, poll for everyone: > > 1. Have you ever been involved in the economy because it was required > to take main game actions? > 2. If so, did you enjoy it? Yes. I've both enjoyed and not enjoyed. There were some (required to participate) that I

Re: Economic Fees Poll (was Re: DIS: Beginning of October Land Deletion Poll)

2018-10-01 Thread Cuddle Beam
> 1. Have you ever been involved in the economy because it was required to take main game actions? Yes. > 2. If so, did you enjoy it? It was pretty overwhelming, I was in ecstasy the whole time and it got hard to write because my eyes kept on rolling back and my drool got on the keyboard as my f