Thank you for your honesty.
-Aris
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-09-25 at 23:24 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> Speaking of mysterious secrets: ais523, can you tell us why you
>> submitted the repeal all rules proposal around the time of your
>> junta?
>> Sorry
On Mon, 2017-09-25 at 23:24 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Speaking of mysterious secrets: ais523, can you tell us why you
> submitted the repeal all rules proposal around the time of your
> junta?
> Sorry if I already asked and forgot about it.
First of all, the actual text of the proposal was irr
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> I pledge as follows:
>
> If a plaintext (ISO-8859-1) of the following SHA-512 hash is published,
> where the plaintext is 42 characters or less in length, then I will have
> performed as described in it:
>
> 766697bbcd12ee0d916bd2ee0edb5d3
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:58 AM, VJ Rada wrote:
>
> BTW whose idea was it that paying agora for proposals and cfjs would
> cost LESS when agora had LESS money? Can we like insta-fix that?
This was an intentional design decision. From a discussion I had with nichdel
at the time:
On 06/13/17 23:
NttPF.
-o
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 3:42 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>
>
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:53 PM, Aris Merchant
>> wrote:
>>
>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
>> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
>> pool. For this decision, t
Ah, found it. It was called by o on Sept 7 (a few days before ais523
deregistered) and never got a number or judge. Will fix.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> No, I meant CFJ. There was one called by Orjan contending that,
> because my proposal "minor fixes" that fixed that loophole refe
On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 00:56 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> I’d be open to replacing the Estate auction with a lottery of players
> with the fewest number of Estates, or a straight lottery. My original
> intention was specifically to create a high-value item, so that
> shinies would return to Agora s
BTW whose idea was it that paying agora for proposals and cfjs would
cost LESS when agora had LESS money? Can we like insta-fix that?
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>
>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>> As for the gerontocracy argument: Money is an inherently gerontocratic
>> system.
>> It abstracts value from labor in a way that allows arbitrary allocation.
>
> Ok, I've been mulling this
I will issue everyone who does this a trust token (all at once, with my
charity report) and will try to think of a more substantial token of
gratitude. Thank you.
-Aris
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:53 PM VJ Rada wrote:
> I have like 62 I think? I give Agora 20 shinies.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at
No, I meant CFJ. There was one called by Orjan contending that,
because my proposal "minor fixes" that fixed that loophole referred to
a rule as "a rule with no number", which was wrong by the time the
proposal passed, the fix did not work.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
>> With that in mind, here are the things I believe need to happen:
>>
>> 1. The proposals fixing the stamps, welcome package, and floating value
>> rules need to pass. If there are any lingering bugs you’re aware of that
>> would perpetuate our shiny problems, please share them so that we can g
Oh you mean "proposal" not CFJ ... that's in the late-to-assess batch.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> Card Reform & Expansion, from the really massive distribution a couple
> of weeks ago.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> >
> > Which one was that? The only
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>> * The reward for authoring or pending a successful proposal pended with
>> shinies is 1 sh.
>
> Ok, so as much as I understand the assessor's lateness, I suspect it cost me
> personally a
Below, surely?
Would have been strangely amusing if they'd both passed... I've started to
dislike proposals written in a way that's super vulnerable to race
conditions.
Greetings,
Ørjan.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
I rescind the above proposal.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Ørj
Sigh, this started when I was looking for a specific Japanese term for
peasant, and it's not like peasants had it any easier in the old days,
if that's something to be offended by. I'd very much prefer a fix that
fits the theme. Or go with Gamma, which would be a typical Agoran
sort of joke.
Card Reform & Expansion, from the really massive distribution a couple
of weeks ago.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> Which one was that? The only unresolved ones are on different subjects
> I think.
>
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>> Did the CFJ on fixing the Co
I rescind the above proposal.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>
>> I create and pend with 1 shiny the following
>> Title: Two Words
>> AI: 1.7
>> Text: In rule 2478, Vigilante Justice, add the word "either" after the
>> words "shall con
Which one was that? The only unresolved ones are on different subjects
I think.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> Did the CFJ on fixing the CoE loophole ever get resolved? Not sure it did.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Aris Merchant
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Ow
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Alex Smith wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2017-09-25 at 23:59 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>> As Secretary, I destroy the organization “Agoran Betting Market”, as
>> its Income is below the Income Floor of 50.
>>
>> If anyone feels like reinstating it, its final charter is re
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
I create and pend with 1 shiny the following
Title: Two Words
AI: 1.7
Text: In rule 2478, Vigilante Justice, add the word "either" after the
words "shall conclude the investigation by" but before the colon.
Also, before the words "if e believes that no rules v
On Mon, 2017-09-25 at 23:59 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> As Secretary, I destroy the organization “Agoran Betting Market”, as
> its Income is below the Income Floor of 50.
>
> If anyone feels like reinstating it, its final charter is reproduced
> below.
About time too, I guess; its charter was b
Did the CFJ on fixing the CoE loophole ever get resolved? Not sure it did.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Aris Merchant
wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:49 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
>>>
>>> I create and pend with 1 shiny the following
>>
>>
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>
>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:49 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
>>
>> I create and pend with 1 shiny the following
>
> Aris, your reward package is ready for pickup.
>
> -o
There's a 24 hour time limit.
-Aris
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:49 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
>
> I create and pend with 1 shiny the following
Aris, your reward package is ready for pickup.
-o
signature.asc
Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> * The reward for authoring or pending a successful proposal pended with
> shinies is 1 sh.
Ok, so as much as I understand the assessor's lateness, I suspect it cost me
personally a fair purse of shinies. I'm at the point where I'm ready to call
the
For the record, in advising me, 天火狐 said that it's possible the term could
be offensive to some, and if so we could pretend Eta was good Agoran Greek.
(And I liked the double meaning, we could go all brave new world and have
an orthogonal Greek letter system that intersects at eta).
But I'm cool
Yeah rulekeeping is _very_ hard. The real state of the rules is not as
currently written in the ruleset, which is confusing, but yeah it's
really really hard.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> The FLR and SLR are sometimes behind because the rule keeper has
> a life. :).
The FLR and SLR are sometimes behind because the rule keeper has
a life. :). The "last change" is so players can read the SLR and know
that proposals numbered after that aren't in there yet, though the "true
state" of the rules at any given moment includes later stuff.
The assessor is indeed
On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:41 PM, Aris Merchant
wrote:
> I claim a reward of 5 shinies for publishing the Promotor report.
>
> -Aris
This was, unfortunately, ineffective: Agora’s balance at this point was 4
shinies. Nobody’s spent any shinies since then, either.
-o
signature.asc
Description:
1. The rules are tissue paper, but Gaelan is the incumbent rulekeepor,
he is the only one who could have an answer
2. Assessing is hard.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Nic Evans wrote:
>
>
> On 09/25/17 21:47, Trigon wrote:
>> At the time that I'm writing this, the Full Logical Ruleset [1] clai
On 09/25/17 21:47, Trigon wrote:
> At the time that I'm writing this, the Full Logical Ruleset [1] claims
> that the most recent change to the ruleset is the adoption of Proposal
> 7875, "Better Accounting" [2]. This should have modified rules 2496
> and 2497, but the text that was proposed to be
>it’s now impossible for me to card CuddleBeam for the remainder of the week.
Whoops, I forgot that that would also have this effect.
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
> Week soon over so:
>
> I create the following Pr
At the time that I'm writing this, the Full Logical Ruleset [1] claims
that the most recent change to the ruleset is the adoption of Proposal
7875, "Better Accounting" [2]. This should have modified rules 2496 and
2497, but the text that was proposed to be appended cannot be found.
Additionally
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 10:37 PM, Josh T wrote:
>
> @o: Where were you when G. asked about terminology?
Busy with non-Agora things. The lateness of the hour is why I’m still voting
FOR the proposal, even though I find that element objectionable: I’d rather not
drag things out simply because I’m
@o: Where were you when G. asked about terminology?
天火狐
On 25 September 2017 at 22:18, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>- Any player with a karma of 7 or greater is a Samurai.
>- Any player with a karma of -7 or less is an Eta.
>
On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>- Any player with a karma of 7 or greater is a Samurai.
>- Any player with a karma of -7 or less is an Eta.
I am _deeply_ uncomfortable with this terminology. As recently as the mid-19th
century, Japanese magistrates consi
On second thought, I don't think I really want the responsibilities of an
office yet. I think I'll stay unemployed for now.
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 3:26 PM, ATMunn . wrote:
> Thanks, everyone, for your answers.
>
> I'm not too interested in the Superintendent office, so I don't think I'll
> go f
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
If you just say "I vote as G. does" that to me reads like voting the
same as my current vote, which wouldn't change if I changed my current
vote. I don't think there's anything in "I vote as G. does" that
makes it sound conditional.
Hm, that leaves the
Hmm, the key part is "conditionally", the "last part" shouldn't be
separated from that. When you say "endorse", the key thing about
defining it to be "conditional" is to ensure it's evaluated at the
end of the voting period.
If you just say "I vote as G. does" that to me reads like voting the
s
On 09/25/17 18:38, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> I CFJ on the statement:
>
> In the below quoted message, VJ Rada endorsed G.
>
> Argument: Rule 2127 states
>
> Casting a vote endorsing another voter is equivalent to
> conditionally casting a vote whose value is the same as the most
>
Oops, I don't know how that got sent here...
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:24 AM, ATMunn . wrote:
> I vote the same as PSS does.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
I vote the same as PSS does.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:01 AM, Aris Merchant gmail.com> wrote:
I got this. I think you're good.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Josh T wrote:
> I can hear you fine.
>
> 天火狐
>
> On Sep 25, 2017 08:40, "Nicholas Evans" wrote:
>
>> Somewhere on the wiki is instructions for a gmail filter that should save
>> any agora emails that might go to spam. It works fo
Same.
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:07 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
> Uh... I got your previous email, trigon, but not that one. Sorry.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Ørjan Johansen
> wrote:
> > On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
> >
> >> If the majority of players are convinced to attack some
I can hear you fine.
天火狐
On Sep 25, 2017 08:40, "Nicholas Evans" wrote:
> Somewhere on the wiki is instructions for a gmail filter that should save
> any agora emails that might go to spam. It works for me (i receive all of
> trigon's emails with a 'saved from spam by filter' notice attached).
Somewhere on the wiki is instructions for a gmail filter that should save
any agora emails that might go to spam. It works for me (i receive all of
trigon's emails with a 'saved from spam by filter' notice attached).
Someone should dig it up as I'm in transit for the rest of the day.
On Sep 25, 20
I don't think you can...
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Sep 25, 2017, at 1:54 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
> I retract "make Cuddlebeam happy". The other one's useful in its own way.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> dangit
>
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 4:53 PM, Aris Merchant
> wrote:
>
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> quorum is 2.0 and the valid options
Double bah.
I wanted to change voting power to voting strength, but forgot. Also, where is
the power requirement for voting strength? I checked but didn’t see anything.
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> Create a rule ti
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