Re: DIS: What's the Power of a cultural touchstone?

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>I propose that the use of Spivak pronouns, and the use of English, are >cultural norms entrenched so deeply that I disagree, because if it really is that important, we should codify it.

DIS: Re: BUS: Complete Shiny Economy Overhaul

2017-06-29 Thread Aris Merchant
Do you want this proposal in this week's report (due any day now), or would you like to save it for next week's? -Aris On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:39 PM Nic Evans wrote: > Features: > >- CFJs and Proposals can be made by spending shinies OR by using AP. >AP works like SP, each player gett

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Alex Smith wrote: A long time back there was a tradition of using -keepor for an office that kept records about something (e.g. Rulekeepor). I don't know all the details of the history there; it's possible that Ørjan does, or perhaps some other player from that era. I don'

DIS: What's the Power of a cultural touchstone?

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
One of Suber’s remarks is interesting, at this juncture: > If appropriate qualifications are made for the informality of custom and > etiquette, a case could be made that normal social life is just a system of > indefinite tiers. Near the top of the "difficult" end of the series, below > entren

Re: DIS: PROTO: Criminal Justice Reform

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 12:18 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> Each player who, on the date this proposal is enacted, owes an >> Apology on a Yellow Card shall be assumed, for all purposes, to have >> Apologized correctly and completely, on the da

Re: DIS: PROTO: Criminal Justice Reform

2017-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Each player who, on the date this proposal is enacted, owes an Apology on a Yellow Card shall be assumed, for all purposes, to have Apologized correctly and completely, on the date this proposal is enacted. I suspect this will not work, bec

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3534; go vote!

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 09:47 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: >> You're misconstruing what e said. E said that eir assignments _did_ >> give everyone a "reasonably equal" opportunity to judge. I any case, >> I object to the finger pointing (not th

Re: DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: How many languages do you speak? More generally for everyone, what languages do you speak? Norwegian (native), English (reasonably fluent, I hope), Swedish (as well as any Norwegian can fake it), Danish (ditto, which is slightly wor

DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jun 29, 2017, at 12:43 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > I'll keep on using him/she/they as I find most enjoyable, and as a variant of > English (one that doesn't have Spivak), and given our broad language > acceptance, I believe it should be all acceptable. It’s acceptable, formally, but you’re bein

DIS: PROTO: Criminal Justice Reform

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
Title: Criminal Justice Reform AI: 2 {{{ The office of Referee becomes empty. Each player who, on the date this proposal is enacted, owes an Apology on a Yellow Card shall be assumed, for all purposes, to have Apologized correctly and completely, on the date this proposal is enacted.

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Quazie wrote: > > 1 - you can't assign pink slips - only the Referee can And the Prime Minister. The PM has much broader apparent discretion as to who to issue a card to, as well. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > How many languages do you speak? > > More generally for everyone, what languages do you speak? English (well), French (very, very badly), and Bad Machine Translation (well enough to get by on). -o signature.asc Descri

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Draft: Promotor report

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Thank you! Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 7:19 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > Note that you’re responding to a draft report, which did not actually > distribute anything. > > -o > >> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Publius Scriboniu

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Draft: Promotor report

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
Note that you’re responding to a draft report, which did not actually distribute anything. -o > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > Ego, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, assumptionem lationis primae in tabula > adiungo. > Ego, Publius Scribonius Scholast

DIS: Re: BUS: Complete Shiny Economy Overhaul

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
What about have an AP level that can be changed by announcement. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I anticipate the low AP level to be an objection here. Instead of > deciding on one myself, I figured it

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer aka robin hood

2017-06-29 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 5:38 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > I create the following pledge "The player (at the moment of creation of this > pledge) with the most Shinies (tiebreaking towards the player with the > alphabetically earliest name) shall pay Cuddlebeam 3 shiny within 168 hours > since the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Actually on this issue, I think, if any Agoran once greater inclusion without excluding others, then we must abide by that wish and try our best to be inclusive to the degree requested. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Nic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
If you have a non-Spivak, gender-neutral, identity-neutral form of pronouns, I would be happy to take you up on learning it. Inclusivity is making everyone feel included and we can do that by using language that makes them feel comfortable. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.schol

Re: DIS: We actually have no Officeholders.

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
It uses an implied default of empty and given that it takes precedence per Rule 1030, I believe that is fine. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 12:59 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > R2162 states that: > > "A type of switch is a property

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Jump In While The Water's Tepid

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
No, I think he is pointing out that I later pointed my finger. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 12:12 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > >I primarily meant the pink slip attempt, but pointing your finger is a > >CAN not a MUST. Piling on fin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday celebration thread

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
NttPF Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:51 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > I wish Agora a happy birthday. > I award myself a magenta ribbon. > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > I wish Agora a

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
> Unrelated mostly but does anyone have any idea why Agora's offices > mostly end with "or" instead of "er"? Proto: Rename Herald to Heraldor, ADoP to ADoPor lol

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 20:39 +0100, V.J Rada wrote: > Unrelated mostly but does anyone have any idea why Agora's offices > mostly end with "or" instead of "er"? A long time back there was a tradition of using -keepor for an office that kept records about something (e.g. Rulekeepor). I don't know al

DIS: We actually have no Officeholders.

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
R2162 states that: "A type of switch is a property that the rules define as a switch, and specify the following: (...) 2. One or more possible values for instances of that switch, exactly one of which is designated as the default. " So stating a default is required for a Switch to be a Switch. R

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 10:51 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > ais523 wrote: > > Saying "A byte stream containing Arabic text must be interpreted as > > though it were laid out left to right" would be in its own right > > disrespectful to the language, because that's not how Arabic is written > > in pract

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread V.J Rada
Unrelated mostly but does anyone have any idea why Agora's offices mostly end with "or" instead of "er"? On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > On 06/29/2017 12:49 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > >> >Spivak is personally important to me. I don't think I've overstated my >> feelings on this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Nic Evans
On 06/29/2017 12:49 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: >Spivak is personally important to me. I don't think I've overstated my feelings on this matter in the least. OK. It's alright to have that. I don't need your approval. I'm just curious how that is compatible with what you've stated here: http://www.m

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Jump In While The Water's Tepid

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>I primarily meant the pink slip attempt, but pointing your finger is a >CAN not a MUST. Piling on finger points for something not intentionally >bad form seems like needless antagonism. I agree. I was mostly correcting PSS's action of trying to give a Pink Slip when he can't with my own Point

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread V.J Rada
I vote AFFIRM On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > You're misconstruing what e said. E said that eir assignments _did_ > give everyone a "reasonably equal" opportunity to judge. I any case, > I object to the finger pointing (not that objec

DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday celebration thread

2017-06-29 Thread V.J Rada
I wish Agora a happy birthday. I award myself a magenta ribbon. On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I wish Agora a happy birthday. > I award myself a magenta ribbon. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Jump In While The Water's Tepid

2017-06-29 Thread Nicholas Evans
On Jun 29, 2017 13:05, "CuddleBeam" wrote: > database. Antagonizing another old, respected player who is currently making > up for that deficit seems to me to be the definition of shooting yourself in > the foot. No amount of respect or other positive feelings I have for a person will put them

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Jump In While The Water's Tepid

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
> database. Antagonizing another old, respected player who is currently making > up for that deficit seems to me to be the definition of shooting yourself in > the foot. No amount of respect or other positive feelings I have for a person will put them above the word of law. That said, I agree w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
天火狐 wrote: > I do apologize that it has come to this. For what it's worth, I sympathize > with > your point of view and I do think that your CFJ was brilliant, even if I > didn't > exactly have time to submit a gratuitous argument to support you.  > 天火狐 > (Apparently, that Japanese character gu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Aris Merchant
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Nic Evans wrote: > On 06/29/2017 12:32 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > >>Your argument is that the comfort of one person, you, outweighs >>the comfort of any other persons? And that 'needing to think of >>pronouns' is an issue singular to you, and not also everyone else?

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
Not really "enforcing" it lol, but more like, pushing for it to be dominant/widely assumed by many.

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>Spivak is personally important to me. I don't think I've overstated my feelings on this matter in the least. OK. It's alright to have that. I'm just curious how that is compatible with what you've stated here: http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg36544.html >Inclusivity

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Nic Evans
On 06/29/2017 12:32 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: >Your argument is that the comfort of one person, you, outweighs >the comfort of any other persons? And that 'needing to think of >pronouns' is an issue singular to you, and not also everyone else? Possibly. I could be a Utility Monster, which could be c

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>Your argument is that the comfort of one person, you, outweighs >the comfort of any other persons? And that 'needing to think of >pronouns' is an issue singular to you, and not also everyone else? Possibly. I could be a Utility Monster, which could be curious to explore. I don't think that stric

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>accept that culture and to the best of your ability maintain it I agree with that such an effort should be taken but at this point its starting to become more satisfactory to see how far I can go with this while still being "technically correct".

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Nic Evans
On 06/29/2017 12:10 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: >This, to my mind, is beyond the pale. The fact that you're unwilling >to 'stop and think' for other people's comfort. The fact that you >are either willfully or ignorantly conflating 'technically acceptable' >and 'I can call people whatever I want and no

DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>This, to my mind, is beyond the pale. The fact that you're unwilling >to 'stop and think' for other people's comfort. The fact that you >are either willfully or ignorantly conflating 'technically acceptable' >and 'I can call people whatever I want and not care about eir >feelings'. Of course, and

DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I agree with nichdel and I also believe this is an instance of when in Rome, do as the Romans. Agora has a history and culture of using Spivak and I know I mess it up to, but to play you must accept that culture and to the best of your ability maintain it Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.s

DIS: Re: BUS: Jump In While The Water's Tepid

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I am glad to see you back. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:58 AM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I register. > > I object to all current intentions I can object to. > > I note that Agora, the community, seems to be in a worse place than

Re: DIS: Proto: Track it on the wiki

2017-06-29 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > I've been thinking about this, and I think my personal cutoff is, oddly > enough, the use of email (but not necessarily to the Agoran lists). I'd > be OK with this only if the external interface was used, or at least > usable, entirely via email

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>The issue is that we aren’t broadly language accepting. Wasn't the current consensus that alternate languages (and I assume, variants/dialects/etc as well) was OK?

DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
The issue is that we aren’t broadly language accepting. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:43 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > >Also, I miss the time when we mostly spoke Spivak > > Spivak is useful to too annoying for me to use lol, most

DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I agree on the Spivak issue. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 16:37 +, Quazie wrote: >> I object to all attempts to award patent titles indicated by the quoted >> message - I

Re: DIS: Proto: Ais is alright, the law is just insufficient.

2017-06-29 Thread Aris Merchant
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 9:35 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > Remove the issued card from Ais because our laws were just insufficient for > this case, really. (And we can do arbitrary stuff with proposals lol) > > Amend "The Arbitor SHALL assign judges over time such that all interested > players have reas

DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I will update it on a weekly basis if that is the concern. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Quazie wrote: > > I object to all attempts to award patent titles indicated by the quoted > message - I don't think this is intere

Re: DIS: Proto: Ais is alright, the law is just insufficient.

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
This wouldn’t have changed things because I would have objected. Also, I see no reason that game flow should be a major consideration. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:35 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Remove the issued card from Ais

Re: DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread Aris Merchant
English, and a little bit of Latin. -Aris On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > In order of fluency for me: > English (native), Latin, Spanish, German (basic, understanding not > communication), Esperanto (very basic), Greek (beginning to learn) > > I can als

DIS: Proto: Ais is alright, the law is just insufficient.

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
Remove the issued card from Ais because our laws were just insufficient for this case, really. (And we can do arbitrary stuff with proposals lol) Amend "The Arbitor SHALL assign judges over time such that all interested players have reasonably equal oppor

DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

2017-06-29 Thread Aris Merchant
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I hereby intend with 2 Agoran Consent, individual for each pair of a person > and a language they announce that they speak, to award em a patent title of > the form “Trophy of the Speaker”, where is the language > they

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Well, in that case you were limiting your own ability to be fairly assigned judgements and therefore not acting in a manner fair for the Arbitor. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-06-29 at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 09:14 -0700, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > My issue is where in the course of his judgement, he stated that a > CFJ existed then immediately assigned it. I'd already attempted to assign it to myself earlier (if it existed), so that was just reducing ambiguity. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Yes, but I believe it violated Rule 991 and consisted of an abuse of official office. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:15 AM, Quazie wrote: > > But he had already assigned it if it existed on official - he just gave it a > numbe

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Just because it is allowed in one location, does not mean that it is not still an abuse. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 08:58 -0700, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Quazie
But he had already assigned it if it existed on official - he just gave it a number while issuing judgements On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 09:14 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > My issue is where in the course of his judgement, he stated that a CFJ >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
My issue is where in the course of his judgement, he stated that a CFJ existed then immediately assigned it. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:13 AM, Quazie wrote: > > Also: prior rules and game custom allow for linking of CFJs th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Josh T
I'm going to be honest, I am pretty surprised that you all let me get away with most of what I've done in Japanese. 天火狐 On 29 June 2017 at 12:07, omd wrote: > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > I register. > > > > H. Registrar, the following is a Cantus Cygneus: > > Oof

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Quazie
Also: prior rules and game custom allow for linking of CFJs that are related - why haven't you been upset at other instances where multiple CFJs were assigned at once? On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 09:10 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > 1 - Really? Ok

DIS: Re: BUS: နှိမ့်ချလယ်သမားတစ်ဦးဘာသာစကားထောင်ချောက်ရေးသားထားပါတယ်

2017-06-29 Thread omd
2017-06-29 18:00 GMT+02:00 CuddleBeam : > ဤသတင်းစကားကိုတစ်ဦးမိမိဆန္ဒအလျောက်ကိုအီးမေးလ်အကြောင်းပြန်ပေးသူတွေကိုအတိအလင်းဒီမက်ဆေ့ခ်ျ၏ဖန်ဆင်းရှင်အလိုတော်မဆိုလမ်းအတွက်အာမခံဖို့သူတို့ကိုချည်နှောင်ဖို့ဒီသတင်းစကားများ၏ပေးပို့သူဘို့မိမိတို့ခွင့်ပြုချက်ပေးရန်သူတွေကိုဖွဲ့စည်းကြမည်။ ISIDTID.

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I register. > > H. Registrar, the following is a Cantus Cygneus: Oof :/ > Fine, it's just a nickname. Then, I argued against interpretation of > contracts in other languages. Ignored. I gave in a bit, thinking > "hey, maybe changing techno

Re: DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
In order of fluency for me: English (native), Latin, Spanish, German (basic, understanding not communication), Esperanto (very basic), Greek (beginning to learn) I can also understand many languages with a dictionary and grammar. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmai

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 11:26 -0400, Josh T wrote: > While I am not a programmer that has needed to deal with > internationalization, it is to my understanding from friends in the field > that most implementations get it wrong, and thus how any one program > renders it should not be taken as evidence

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Josh T
While I am not a programmer that has needed to deal with internationalization, it is to my understanding from friends in the field that most implementations get it wrong, and thus how any one program renders it should not be taken as evidence one way or another. For example, I don't know for certai

Re: DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread Josh T
The set of languages which I speak fluently is smaller than what people might expect, but I am willing to curl up with a grammar book of many languages to dabble, of which I have done so with many. 天火狐 On 29 June 2017 at 10:31, V.J Rada wrote: > I am purely English speaking rip. > > > On Friday

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 07:09 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > But hey - this Arabic stuff??  Well, it's not some important language, > like say Japanese.  Let's just translate it to bytes and ignore the > meaning, eh?  Completely re-arrange the word order like no native > speaker, and not even a translat

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: 蘭亭社簿記

2017-06-29 Thread Josh T
This is outside the scope of the pledge since I only said I would answer questions to a-b, but since you can just TTttPF it, I'll answer them anyway. > Are you able to provide a complete translation of this to English? Yes, I am able to. > Is this a deputisation? If so, for what office? If this

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Quazie
Welcome back G. Also - check your dates I think you're off by one? On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 07:11 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > The word in question is a real Arabic word, translating to "I invite" / > > "I call" / "I appeal". If we reverse the order of the le

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Josh T
I do apologize that it has come to this. For what it's worth, I sympathize with your point of view and I do think that your CFJ was brilliant, even if I didn't exactly have time to submit a gratuitous argument to support you. 天火狐 (Apparently, that Japanese character guy) On 29 June 2017 at 10:09,

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

2017-06-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-06-29 at 07:09 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > But I guess we don't extend that respect to Arabic (or in the past, > Turkish). This result?  It decides to completely ignore the clear and > simple known precepts of the Arabic language, and decide on some kind > of byte order.  Why stop ther

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer aka robin hood

2017-06-29 Thread Nic Evans
On 06/29/2017 08:51 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > The only way you can be carded is by 'breaking' a pledge, and the >only definition of 'breaking' in the rules specifies the *creator* of >the pledge. No? It just says: "Breaking a publicly-made pledge is a cardable offense." Without specifying the

Re: DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread V.J Rada
I am purely English speaking rip. On Friday, June 30, 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > >More generally for everyone, what languages do you speak? > > In order of fluidity: > > Spanish (native), English (native), Swedish (native but I haven't > practiced in forever so jag minnas inte mycket av det), Jap

Re: Re: DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>More generally for everyone, what languages do you speak? In order of fluidity: Spanish (native), English (native), Swedish (native but I haven't practiced in forever so jag minnas inte mycket av det), Japanese (unhealthy amounts of anime lol), German (very basic), French (very basic), Lojban (i

Re: DIS: Aesthetic Theme?

2017-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 29 Jun 2017, V.J Rada wrote: > Yeah I like the judicial aspect more than anything but I support making this > game > more of a game as well. Its very bare bones right now Let me be clear: I *like* having strong themes. But they're more like boardgame themes than RPGs - people don't

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer aka robin hood

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>Rule 'categories' aren't a thing with any influence over >rule interpretation. They're arbtirarily decided by the Rulekeepor >for convenience. Ah, OK. Good to know, thank you. >It is a violation of something formal. It's a Cardable Offense. Yes, I agree to that. But it's not an "obligation" in

Re: DIS: Decoding attempt

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
How many languages do you speak? More generally for everyone, what languages do you speak? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Josh T wrote: > > That's pretty good, actually. It's transliterated Neo-Akkadian for "If I were

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: 蘭亭社簿記

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Are you able to provide a complete translation of this to English? Is this a deputisation? If so, for what office? If this is for the office of Reportor, what is the newspaper relating to? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:39 PM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: huh, I thought I sent this already

2017-06-29 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I favor Aris being assigned this case. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:39 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:02 PM, omd wrote: >> CFJ: Shinies are assets. >> >> Arguments: The recently resurrected rule 2

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer aka robin hood

2017-06-29 Thread CuddleBeam
Gah Nevermind, I'm stupid and didn't realize that distributing=/=enacting and such. Betterer Pledges actually isn't in the rules yet. But oh well. Maybe what I've pointed out helps.

Re: DIS: Proto: Adding fun and flavor

2017-06-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 11:39 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > What other things could be re-added? > > You could re-add my favorite re-adding mechanism. > > IIRC, we used to have an office that was required to, each month, > both: > > (1)

Re: DIS: Aesthetic Theme?

2017-06-29 Thread V.J Rada
Yeah I like the judicial aspect more than anything but I support making this game more of a game as well. Its very bare bones right now On Thursday, June 29, 2017, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:09 PM, Owen Jacobson > wrote: > > > >> On Ju

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3531 assigned to omd

2017-06-29 Thread V.J Rada
I CFJ on "V.J. Rada initiated three elections on 27 June" On Thursday, June 29, 2017, omd wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Alex Smith > wrote: > > On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 07:48 +0100, V.J Rada wrote: > >> I retract the 2nd CFJ I filed. I CFJ on the statement > >> "A player other than the