DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Arnold Bros (est. 1905) wrote: > All of the following votes are cast A(g64,g64) times. Show-off.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: > 6249 Committees 2.0 D 3.0 2 Wooble > FOR > > 6251 Decriminalize restricted actions D 3.0 1 Murphy > AGAINST Please include something like "6250: no vote" in cases like this, it makes things marginally easier when recording votes.

DIS: Re: BUS: Bandwagoning

2009-04-29 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 20:29, Ed Murphy wrote: > I harvest 106 (recently-amended rule number) for 8 random crops. > Any chance for a current SoA report? BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > Create a new power-1 rule reading as follows: > {{ > The Herald SHALL, as soon as possible after the enactment of this > rule, initiate an Agoran Decision to award ais523 a degree for eir > thesis on the ruleset, as specified in rule 1367. When e does so, >

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held > for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version > sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the > document attached to the email as a thesis, if possible. (Otherwis

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > Alex Smith wrote: >> I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held >> for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version >> sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the >> document attached

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Ian Kelly wrote: > Really, the idea that R2105 (The Map of Agora) has been a traditional > target of scamsters is a bit exaggerated. Here's the full history. > > The map was created by Maud's proposal 4735. This wasn't the result > of a scam or anything, but people were itc

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Ian Kelly
Really, the idea that R2105 (The Map of Agora) has been a traditional target of scamsters is a bit exaggerated. Here's the full history. The map was created by Maud's proposal 4735. This wasn't the result of a scam or anything, but people were itching a bit for a map, and voters liked the propos

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread Sean Hunt
Aaron Goldfein wrote: > 6256 Inactivity is unpopularD 2.0 1 coppro > AGAINST [inactives are preferred for promotions too?] No, it simply allows me to demote inactives multiple times during a cycle.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread Sean Hunt
comex wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> 6246 Fix Office InterestO 1.0 1 Wooble > CoE: Wooble submitted this, not coppro who's listed as the author later. FOR Hrm... this is indeed the case. I appear to have accidentally created a new propo

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held > for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version > sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the > document attached to the emai

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Sgeo wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held >> for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version >> sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Sgeo
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held > for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version > sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the > document attached to the emai

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> 6240  The Power of Capitalization, and I mean... D  3.0  1   Quazie > AGAINST - Don't force the Rulekeepor to do this emself; these could all > be Cleanliness changes. I also don't want any unintended effects. For reference: (and I'm not sure w

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> 6254  Mitigate point scams                       O  1.0  1   root > AGAINST x 2 - there's no requirement this would have to be used for It's not intended for scams only. -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contest: 3-Scroll Rodney

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > I also have explict consent from Quazie privately to reduce the penalty > Rests to 2 from 4. I make all these amendments, making the text of > 3-Scroll Rodney as follows: NttPF.

DIS: Re: BUS: New Contest: 3-Scroll Rodney

2009-04-29 Thread Sean Hunt
Quazie wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> Quazie wrote: >>> I join the above contract >> Hrm... typo. I intend, without objection from a party to it, to replace >> the ordinal 13 with 12 in 3-Scroll Rodney. >> >> I intend, without objection from a party to it, to replac

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Scam tolerance

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > Proposal: Scam tolerance > (AI = 1.7, please) > > ais523 is a co-author of this proposal. > > Amend Rule 2169 (Equity Cases) by appending this text: > > For the purpose of an equity case regarding a scam, it is > generally equitable to let the sca

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Heh, I have a proposal in the pool to achieve more or less exactly the > same effect, at the moment. Mine tries to fix the immediate aftermath of > the scams win, though (restoring the points of players whose points were > unintentionally reset)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 15:04 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > The unnecessary score reset has been bugging me, especially with a > second one looming around the corner when comex manages to get rid of > eir rests. I don't think it merits something as complex as equity, > though. > > Proposal: Mitigate po

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 13:29 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > Goethe wrote: > > > Actually you're right. This doesn't work in that it means one could > > litigate > > perfectly legal backstabbing, reducing someone else's caste, etc. which we > > don't want. I think a more appropriate way would be to s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > Actually you're right. This doesn't work in that it means one could litigate > perfectly legal backstabbing, reducing someone else's caste, etc. which we > don't want. I think a more appropriate way would be to say that: > > "After a finding of Guilty, in place of a Sentence, a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> Proposal:  Generalize equity >>> (AI = 1.7, please) >>> >>> Amend Rule 2169 (Equity Cases) by appending this text: >>> >>>      An equity case CAN be initi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Proposal:  Generalize equity >> (AI = 1.7, please) >> >> Amend Rule 2169 (Equity Cases) by appending this text: >> >>      An equity case CAN be initiated identifying the ruleset in place >>      of

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Proposal:  Generalize equity > (AI = 1.7, please) > > Amend Rule 2169 (Equity Cases) by appending this text: > >      An equity case CAN be initiated identifying the ruleset in place >      of a contract.  For the purpose of such a case, the rule

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2451a assigned to BobTHJ, Rodlen, root

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Quazie wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Also (just to note) I think that if you perform something obviously >> illegal to win the game from scratch... Quazie wrote: > What if there was a de-contest-ation. The removal of yourself from > all con

DIS: Re: BUS: A more general solution

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Quazie wrote: > I submit a proposal, entitled "In the future, I want my stuff back: If I come back in time I would vote against this in principle. I'd also object to every attempt to reclaim stuff unless it was due to accidental bug-induced involuntary deregistration (which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Quazie wrote: > When I became a player is relevant, and what constitutes a valid > registration is relevant. So the judgements should be left alone, since that's what they currently determine. -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:23 AM, comex wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Alex Smith wrote: >>> I intend to appeal this judgement with 2 Support.  CFJ 2471 is >>> trivially true, as I am currently a player and it is after I sent that >>> message.  I believe I didn't CFJ on what I wanted t

DIS: Re: BUS: A more general solution

2009-04-29 Thread Sean Hunt
Quazie wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Quazie wrote: >> I submit a proposal, entitled "In the future, I want my stuff back, a >> more general solution", AI =2 with the following body: >> >> In R2166 replace the following paragraph: >> >> Each asset has exactly one owner. If an asse

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Alex Smith wrote: >> I intend to appeal this judgement with 2 Support.  CFJ 2471 is >> trivially true, as I am currently a player and it is after I sent that >> message.  I believe I didn't CFJ on what I wanted to. > > I interpreted "after" as "due to", but I shoul

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2451a assigned to BobTHJ, Rodlen, root

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 07:25 -0700, Rodlen wrote: >> >> DARGH! >> >> Recognizing that there were six violations of the rule, therefore >> allowing a punishment for each, I opine AFFIRM. >> > Does the subject line or who's-assigned-to-what list g

DIS: Re: BUS: A more general solution

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Quazie wrote: > with: > >        Each asset has exactly one owner.  If an asset would otherwise >        lack an owner, it is owned by the Lost and Found Department.  If >        an asset's backing document restricts its ownership to a class >        of entities, t

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2451a assigned to BobTHJ, Rodlen, root

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 07:25 -0700, Rodlen wrote: > > DARGH! > > Recognizing that there were six violations of the rule, therefore > allowing a punishment for each, I opine AFFIRM. > Does the subject line or who's-assigned-to-what list give enough context to determine which appeal this is about,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Decriminalize restricted actions

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: > This should avoid taking precedence over a higher- or lower-class crime > defined by the rule that contains the MAY. What would be better is a general precedence rule for actions violating multiple rules, either to make explicit or to alter the current "only one (of the players' c

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: > I intend to appeal this judgement with 2 Support. CFJ 2471 is > trivially true, as I am currently a player and it is after I sent that > message. I believe I didn't CFJ on what I wanted to. Interpreting "after" as a gloss for "as a result of" may be acceptable shorthand for thes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 09:33 -0400, Quazie wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Alex Smith wrote: >> > I judge CFJ 2471 FALSE. An announcement about the past that does not >> > fall into any of the categories in rule 869 is just a true sta

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 09:33 -0400, Quazie wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > I judge CFJ 2471 FALSE. An announcement about the past that does not > > fall into any of the categories in rule 869 is just a true statement, > > not a registration action. > > I intend to a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Manual caste flips

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 07:04 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > > I spend C D E to flip j's caste to Alpha. > > That's a lot to spend to ensure that a player who's abandoned the game > gets to be Epsilon in a couple of days. Err... C D E doesn't eve

DIS: Re: BUS: Manual caste flips

2009-04-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I spend C D E to flip j's caste to Alpha. That's a lot to spend to ensure that a player who's abandoned the game gets to be Epsilon in a couple of days.