Re: DIS: Proto: Increase privatization

2008-12-19 Thread Charles Reiss
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 23:36, Charles Reiss wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 23:25, Ed Murphy wrote: >> woggle wrote: >> Cleanliness is a public contract switch with values Unclean (default) and Clean. Changes to Cleanliness are secured. >>> tracked by whom? >> >> The Janito

Re: DIS: Proto: Increase privatization

2008-12-19 Thread Charles Reiss
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 23:25, Ed Murphy wrote: > woggle wrote: > >>> Cleanliness is a public contract switch with values Unclean >>> (default) and Clean. Changes to Cleanliness are secured. >> tracked by whom? > > The Janitor. > >>> * Murphy and the AFO agree to the following public c

Re: DIS: Proto: Increase privatization

2008-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: >> Cleanliness is a public contract switch with values Unclean >> (default) and Clean. Changes to Cleanliness are secured. > tracked by whom? The Janitor. >> * Murphy and the AFO agree to the following public contract, and >> Murphy consents to be its contestmaster

DIS: BF joust pre-contest

2008-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
BF Joust Pre-Contest I've built a BF Joust Hill (as in "king of the hill") of 10 jousters for the initial contest start. Anyone who submits a program to me before the contest starts will get a report as to how well it does against those 10. Entries won't be shared, and I won't really "examine" t

Re: DIS: Proto: Increase privatization

2008-12-19 Thread Charles Reiss
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 20:44, Ed Murphy wrote: > Proto-Proposal: Increase privatization > (AI = 2, II = 3, please) [snip] > Create a rule titled "Laundromats" with Power 2 and this text: > > Cleanliness is a public contract switch with values Unclean > (default) and Clean. Changes to

DIS: Proto: Increase privatization

2008-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Increase privatization (AI = 2, II = 3, please) Change the title of Rule 2126 to "Salaries", and amend it to read: Employership is a public contract switch, tracked by the Payroll Clerk, with values Non-Employer (default) and Employer. Changes to Employership a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PBA Report

2008-12-19 Thread Elliott Hird
On 19 Dec 2008, at 21:47, Roger Hicks wrote: What coins? somebody left a while ago

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PBA Report

2008-12-19 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 14:43, Elliott Hird wrote: > CoE: not an actual report, you didn't act on behalf of me. Also, the PBA > owns coins. > What coins? BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA Report

2008-12-19 Thread Elliott Hird
On 19 Dec 2008, at 21:35, Roger Hicks wrote: People's Bank of Agora CoE: not an actual report, you didn't act on behalf of me. Also, the PBA owns coins.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Jamie Dallaire
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Charles Schaefer wrote: > But other people could gain points off the lambs too. > Not if you design your lambs right. What I mean (and should have spelled out) was e.g. that I could submit 100 variations on the same standard program that should do OK against all t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 19 Dec 2008, at 21:21, Jamie Dallaire wrote: > >> Perhaps the round robin should exclude matches between programs submitted by >> the same author, though. Nice artificial way to boost one's score would >> otherwise be to submit a hundred sacrificial

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Charles Schaefer
But other people could gain points off the lambs too. 2008/12/19, Jamie Dallaire : > > Perhaps the round robin should exclude matches between programs submitted > by the same author, though. Nice artificial way to boost one's score would > otherwise be to submit a hundred sacrificial lambs.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Elliott Hird
On 19 Dec 2008, at 21:21, Jamie Dallaire wrote: Perhaps the round robin should exclude matches between programs submitted by the same author, though. Nice artificial way to boost one's score would otherwise be to submit a hundred sacrificial lambs. this was done for iterated prisoner's dil

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Jamie Dallaire
Perhaps the round robin should exclude matches between programs submitted by the same author, though. Nice artificial way to boost one's score would otherwise be to submit a hundred sacrificial lambs. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Elliott Hird < penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Let an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Elliott Hird
Let an arbitrary amount. On 19 Dec 2008, at 21:15, Charles Schaefer wrote: Since it seems like most people are writing multiple programs (at least for test purposes), will people be allowed to submit multiple programs in the contest? Maybe with a fixed limit or some discouraging factor bui

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Charles Schaefer
Since it seems like most people are writing multiple programs (at least for test purposes), will people be allowed to submit multiple programs in the contest? Maybe with a fixed limit or some discouraging factor built in to the rules (such as losing a certain fraction of your contest winnings for e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Charles Schaefer
2008/12/19, Kerim Aydin : > > > Change already: increased max #cycles/charge from 1,000 to 100,000 Thank you. -- Charles Schaefer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 19 Dec 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > seems very easy > > [129 +s, then a large, large amount of >s] I started with 2 or 3 different "trivial and obvious" strategies that worked (no comment on this one) and was then able to then beat each one with something slightly fancier. Not to say some

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread comex
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 19 Dec 2008, at 15:33, comex wrote: > >> That's an easy way to lose, yes, since you'd be zeroing your own flag. > > put the > first Then you run off the edge of the array, since you don't know what size it is. I think this is sound, alth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Elliott Hird
On 19 Dec 2008, at 15:33, comex wrote: That's an easy way to lose, yes, since you'd be zeroing your own flag. put the > first

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread comex
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > seems very easy > > [129 +s, then a large, large amount of >s] That's an easy way to lose, yes, since you'd be zeroing your own flag.

DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-19 Thread Elliott Hird
On 19 Dec 2008, at 08:37, Kerim Aydin wrote: Ok, I've got a Brainfuck Joust tournament runner working. Before making this an official contest I'd like to see if the rules are interesting. (I tried a few random warriors and it looks ok, or at least it seemed like it wasn't wholly degener