Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposals: deregistrations

2007-05-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: quazie wrote: They can be removed from being judges on them can't they?? Takes a while. I think we've got some still waiting on Peter. 1657-8, but the deliberation period has expired, so CotC comex may recuse em at will. (The CotC database should be mostly caught up at this

DIS: proto: down with non-person players

2007-05-22 Thread Zefram
Proto-proposal: down with non-person players {{{ Amend rule 869 by appending the paragraph: A player who is not a person and has never been a natural person can be deregistered by any player by announcement. [We are faced with some players that used to be non-natural legal persons a

Re: DIS: Proto: Generalize Dependent Actions, version 2

2007-05-22 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: > An automated web-page can easily track transfers of property and >property ownership taking 90% of the hassle out of it. An audit record can >be maintained by sending e-mail notification of all transactions to the >mailing list, Be careful there. If transfers and ot

Re: DIS: Proto: Generalize Dependent Actions, version 2

2007-05-22 Thread Roger Hicks
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. What you describe is more or less what I was referring to regarding "manual override". For instance, I have no problem with a bot distributing Proposals automatically as long as at least one player (or more preferably a chain of command) has the ability to manually dis

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposals: deregistrations

2007-05-22 Thread Zefram
quazie wrote: >They can be removed from being judges on them can't they?? Takes a while. I think we've got some still waiting on Peter. -zefram

Re: DIS: Proto: Generalize Dependent Actions, version 2

2007-05-22 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >What's wrong with automation? It goes away when its maintainer does. It has in some cases not in fact been kept up to date. If it bypasses email, there's no reliable record of the transactions that actually occurred. I'm all in favour of automation, as a tool for officers to

DIS: Proto: Generalize Dependent Actions, version 2

2007-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
Maud wrote: > How temporary should it be? Only until the current state of emergency has passed. (by temporary, I meant "temporary way of killing a proposal until we fixed abortion" not a temporary power). > What is the real role of the Speaker? A true prize for winning the game; I'd suggest th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposals: deregistrations

2007-05-22 Thread quazie
Zefram wrote: comex wrote: How so? We have in fact had several CFJs assigned to them. -zefram They can be removed from being judges on them can't they??

Re: DIS: Proto: Generalize Dependent Actions, version 2

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Slone
On 5/21/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You were on my side with this one, Maud. Yes, I remembered that this came from Cobalt (or something like that), but I didn't remember *why* it happened. Veto used to "abort" proposals, but then we di

Re: DIS: proto: truthfulness

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Slone
On 5/20/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you disagree that the phrase should be added, or that it would succeed in de-criminalizing claims such as BobTHJ's? (Assuming for the sake of argument that at least one of em was, in fact, false.) I disagree that the phrase would decriminaliz

Re: DIS: Proto: Generalize Dependent Actions, version 2

2007-05-22 Thread Roger Hicks
1. (Technical) Automate the proposal distribution process entirely. Not likely to pass after what happened to Nomic World. What's wrong with automation? The internet is a much more stable and long-term place now then it used to be. NomicWorld has been defunct for 14-15(?) years now. A

DIS: Re: BUS: Quorum CFJs

2007-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: > R2133 only applies to a good-faith error. As an officer, I once had to make an impossible assignment that was allowed to stand under "good faith errors" (had to do with auctioning fractional units). I argued that I could "error on the side of caution", in other words purposefully

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: reductio ad absurdum

2007-05-22 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >While interesting, I don't think Nemo can register as a player, because >(despite the language of Item #6 below) because it can not make an >announcement as called for in R869. I think there's a case for my posting of the agreement to constitute the announcement of registration

DIS: Re: BUS: reductio ad absurdum

2007-05-22 Thread Roger Hicks
While interesting, I don't think Nemo can register as a player, because (despite the language of Item #6 below) because it can not make an announcement as called for in R869. BobTHJ On 5/22/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No players at all have agreed to the following R1742 binding agree

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Who needs partners, anyway?

2007-05-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/22/07, Michael Slone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/21/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hereby register as a player, with the nickname root. Welcome back, human! Thanks! > I hereby make the following agreement under R1742, heavily based on > the Pineapple Partnership. Argh

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-22 Thread comex
On 5/22/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Trial judge selection is at the discretion of the CotC, but Justice selection is random. I have never knowingly cheated on a random determination in this game (or for that matter, knowingly cheated or lied in the fora, saving in a game of Mafia

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Who needs partners, anyway?

2007-05-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/22/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian Kelly wrote: >I hereby make the following agreement under R1742, heavily based on >the Pineapple Partnership. What's your theory by which you can make a R1742 agreement with only one player? -zefram Game precedent. There have been multiple R

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposals: deregistrations

2007-05-22 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >How so? We have in fact had several CFJs assigned to them. -zefram

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
Maud wrote: > There was no reason to believe that the appeal would be handled > fairly. Trial judge selection is at the discretion of the CotC, but Justice selection is random. I have never knowingly cheated on a random determination in this game (or for that matter, knowingly cheated or lied i

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Slone
On 5/22/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You know, I'm amazed that three folks didn't appeal the original (self-interested) judgements that said partnerships could be players in the first place. There was no reason to believe that the appeal would be handled fairly. -- C. Maud Image

DIS: Re: BUS: proposals: deregistrations

2007-05-22 Thread comex
On 5/22/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [The long-term inactive players have been screwing up CFJ assignment. How so? R698 only says "Each active player is eligible to judge..."

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: > * of Yin Corp: Yin Corp, Yang Corp > * of Yang Corp: Yin Corp, Yang Corp Brilliant! You know, I'm amazed that three folks didn't appeal the original (self-interested) judgements that said partnerships could be players in the first place. -Goethe

DIS: Re: BUS: Who needs partners, anyway?

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Slone
On 5/21/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hereby register as a player, with the nickname root. Welcome back, human! I hereby make the following agreement under R1742, heavily based on the Pineapple Partnership. Argh... 2. The Steward shall act as a corporation sole, in a manner