Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread dmmoffett
I read a commentary today saying the hull was made of titanium and carbon fiber. An Operations Director for the manufacturer delivered a quality control report saying that the carbon fiber hull carried a risk of small defects expanding into major failures under pressure. They were relying on an

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Water pressure at 12,500' is something like 5400 psi. There is a lot of area on that tube. Who trusts essentially fiberglass to withstand 5400 psi? If it was a pressure vessel it is one thing, but this is essentially a vacuum inside the tube, the forces pushing on it are not pulling on those

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2023-06-22 Thread Steve Jones
96 hours O2 for 5 people 480 man hours O2 120 hours - 4 people 160 hours - 3 people 240 hours - 2 people 480 hours - me just saying On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 10:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Water pressure at 12,500' is something like 5400 psi. There is a lot of > area on that tube. Wh

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2023-06-22 Thread Bill Prince
Carbon fiber is not the same as fiberglass. I believe they pressure tested the vessel to ~~ 6,200 PSI (roughly 14,000' depth). That said, if something goes wrong at that kind of pressure (~~ 5,400 PSI), the failure would be measured in milliseconds. bp On 6/22/2023 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown vi

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
But did they test it with external pressure or internal pressure. My wife said they found a debris field. So instant death at least. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 10:19 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This thing on? Carbon fiber is

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2023-06-22 Thread Bill Prince
They may have a little more time. News reports said they only had 4 people and one pilot. No word on the difference between a pilot and a person. bp On 6/22/2023 9:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 96 hours O2 for 5 people 480 man hours O2 120 hours - 4 people 160 hours - 3 people 240 hours - 2 peo

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread Bill Prince
Headlines say they found a debris field 500 meters off the bow of the Titanic. Not verified, but consistent with the outer hull of the sub. bp On 6/22/2023 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Water pressure at 12,500' is something like 5400 psi.  There is a lot of area on that tube.  Who trus

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Verified now. They got the frame and the tail cone. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 12:57 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This thing on? Headlines say they found a debris field 500 meters off the bow of the Titanic. Not verified, b

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread dmmoffett
The claim from the ex operations director is he told management that non-destructive pressure testing was necessary and management felt that such testing was impossible. He also talks about visible flaws in the carbon fiber which could expand into tears as the hull cycles between low and high

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2023-06-22 Thread Daniel Pautz via AF
Well the CEO hotshot was on board. I predct this company goes poof very quickly. From: AF on behalf of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 11:28:33 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This thing on? The claim from the

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread Jaime Solorza
But very little coverage and effort($$$) spent on the 700 plus who died on the Adriana off Greece...same as it ever was... On Wed, Jun 21, 2023, 4:20 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Errbody dead? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF ma

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
The USS Thresher implosion was recorded by hydrophone. .47 millisecond Instant deviled ham. From: Daniel Pautz via AF Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 2:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Daniel Pautz Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This thing on? Well the CEO hotshot was on board. I predct

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2023-06-22 Thread Bill Prince
.47 millisecond, or .47 seconds? bp On 6/22/2023 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: The USS Thresher implosion was recorded by hydrophone. .47 millisecond Instant deviled ham. *From:* Daniel Pautz via AF *Sent:* Thursday, June 22, 2023 2:03 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Dan

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2023-06-22 Thread Bill Prince
According to the alternate theory in Wikipedia , it took 0.1 seconds to implode. Still damn fast, and probably faster than anyone to perceive. bp On 6/22/2023 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: The USS Thresher implosion was recorded by

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2023-06-22 Thread Bill Prince
One of the guys I know locally posted this: *WSJ had an article saying the Navy already heard the implosion from the Titan. Good news if true because they went lights out instantaneously. I think the whole search and rescue was a mission to obscure how good our acoustic systems perform.--* bp par

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2023-06-22 Thread Carl Peterson
*"But very little coverage and effort($$$) spent on the 700 plus who died on the Adriana off Greece...same as it ever was..."* But what was their cumulative net worth? On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 5:36 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > But very little coverage and effort($$$) spent on the 700 plus who died

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread Robert
You actually burn from the air compressing before you get squished by the water.. On 6/22/23 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Carbon fiber is not the same as fiberglass. I believe they pressure tested the vessel to ~~ 6,200 PSI (roughly 14,000' depth). That said, if something goes wrong at that k

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread Robert
https://www.reddit.com/r/submarines/comments/gy1wc6/what_exactly_does_happen_when_a_submarine_goes/ On 6/22/23 9:30 PM, Robert wrote: You actually burn from the air compressing before you get squished by the water.. On 6/22/23 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Carbon fiber is not the same as fiberg

Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?

2023-06-22 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
470 microseconds Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 22, 2023, at 5:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: .47 millisecond, or .47 seconds? bp On 6/22/2023 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: The USS Thresher implosio