One of the guys I know locally posted this:
*WSJ had an article saying the Navy already heard the implosion from the
Titan. Good news if true because they went lights out instantaneously. I
think the whole search and rescue was a mission to obscure how good our
acoustic systems perform.--*
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 4:24 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to the alternate theory in Wikipedia
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Thresher_(SSN-593)>, it took 0.1
> seconds to implode. Still damn fast, and probably faster than anyone to
> perceive.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 6/22/2023 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> The USS Thresher implosion was recorded by hydrophone.
> .47 millisecond
>
> Instant deviled ham.
>
>
> *From:* Daniel Pautz via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 22, 2023 2:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Daniel Pautz
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?
>
> Well the CEO hotshot was on board. I predct this company goes poof very
> quickly.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf
> of dmmoff...@gmail.com <dmmoff...@gmail.com> <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 22, 2023 11:28:33 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
> <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?
>
> The claim from the ex operations director is he told management that
> non-destructive pressure testing was necessary and management felt that
> such testing was impossible.
> He also talks about visible flaws in the carbon fiber which could expand
> into tears as the hull cycles between low and high pressure.
> He also alleges that the vendor for the viewing bubble only certified it
> to 1300m depth, whereas they intended to use the vessel at up to 4000m.
>
> If any of those claims are true those guys may be getting sued by the
> families of 4 zillionaires.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of
> Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 12:19 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?
>
> Carbon fiber is not the same as fiberglass. I believe they pressure tested
> the vessel to ~~ 6,200 PSI (roughly 14,000' depth).
>
> That said, if something goes wrong at that kind of pressure (~~ 5,400
> PSI), the failure would be measured in milliseconds.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 6/22/2023 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > Water pressure at 12,500' is something like 5400 psi. There is a lot
> > of area on that tube. Who trusts essentially fiberglass to withstand
> > 5400 psi? If it was a pressure vessel it is one thing, but this is
> > essentially a vacuum inside the tube, the forces pushing on it are not
> > pulling on those fibers. The tiniest non symmetry in shape would be
> > no bueno.
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
> > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 7:02 AM
> > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> > Subject: RE: [AFMUG] This thing on?
> >
> > I read a commentary today saying the hull was made of titanium and carbon
> > fiber.
> >
> > An Operations Director for the manufacturer delivered a quality control
> > report saying that the carbon fiber hull carried a risk of small defects
> > expanding into major failures under pressure. They were relying on an
> > acoustic fault detection system that was supposed to alert the pilot if
> > there were sounds indicating stress in the hull. That Operations
> > Director
> > said you'd have a matter of milliseconds between that alert system
> > going off
> > and a catastrophic failure. He'd expressed those concerns verbally
> > and was
> > ignored, so he delivered that report to senior management in 2018 to
> > create
> > a written record of his concerns, and was immediately fired. Then he
> > took
> > his report to OSHA, there was a lawsuit about divulging company
> > information
> > or some such. Lawsuit settled later that year, OSHA didn't take any
> > action
> > against the manufacturer. I'd bet a nickel that OSHA doesn't have
> > specific
> > rules for submarines, and without any rules to follow they don't have
> > enough
> > knowledge to assess whether one is actually safe.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf
> Of Chuck McCown via AF
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 7:32 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com>
> > Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This thing on?
> >
> > What a horror show. There were so many ways they could have improved
> > their
> > chances at survival. Supposedly dissolvable straps should have
> > dropped sand
> > ballast by now. They had a way to mechanically drop steel ballast.
> > And a
> > inflatable bladder.
> >
> > Why not a power and comm tether to the mother ship? I realize it is
> > 12,500'
> >
> > of cable but fiber optics are pretty much neutrally buoyant.
> >
> > But no underwater pinger. No ELT. How about a sat tel or VHF radio.
> > Some
> > kind of way to talk to the world. No high pressure air to blow tanks. I
> > would have wanted explosive bolts on the hatch if there was no other
> > way to
> > get out. But why not some kind of fresh air intake assuming you could
> > surface. This haunts my sleep.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Prince
> > Tryin' to get my ass outa this cramped submarine.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >
> > On 6/21/2023 3:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >> Errbody dead?
> >>
> >
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