Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

2020-07-15 Thread Jay Weekley
Who was the perv? Steve Jones wrote: Bad time for mythbusters between his death and the perv On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 12:37 PM Jay Weekley > wrote: If he had any last thoughts before he died I'm sure he didn't regret worrying more or being angry more.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

2020-07-15 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Adam apparently has a sister who keeps making false claims against her siblings hoping for a payout. Apparently the most recent claims were against Adam alledging abuse while they were both kids. I'm guessing this it's what he's referring to unless I missed something else. On Wed, Jul 15, 2020,

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

2020-07-15 Thread Chuck McCown
When I had a tower failure I took an old man lift, put antennas on it and got service restored. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >  > I blame chuck's mounts. Has nothing to do with them cutting 1 inch guy wires, > all chucks fault. > I actually did se

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

2020-07-15 Thread Chuck McCown
Perv? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:44 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >  > Bad time for mythbusters between his death and the perv > >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 12:37 PM Jay Weekley wrote: >> If he had any last thoughts before he died I'm sure he didn't regret >> worrying more or being

Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

2020-07-15 Thread Steven Kenney
Hyakutake was my fav ... clear as a bell in the night sky 1996 -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "chuck" To: "af" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 12:55:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT comet I don

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

2020-07-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe use the concrete silos. I’ve seen Rohn towers attached to the sides extending above the top, but these don’t have steel hoops. And I had to read your post a couple times to realize you were talking about an old (man lift), not an (old man) lift. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck M

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

2020-07-15 Thread Mark Radabaugh
> On Jul 15, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Maybe use the concrete silos. I’ve seen Rohn towers attached to the sides > extending above the top, but these don’t have steel hoops. > > And I had to read your post a couple times to realize you were talking about > an old (man lift), n

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

2020-07-15 Thread Josh Luthman
Hopefully that's the case and I really hope the sister gets the book thrown at her =/ https://people.com/tv/adam-savage-accused-raping-sister-as-a-child-lawsuit-report/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 7:16 A

Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

2020-07-15 Thread Steven Kenney
More info Comet Hyakutake ( Japanese pronunciation: [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Japanese | [çakɯ̥take] ] , [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_naming_conventions#Comets | formally designated ] C/1996 B2 ) is a [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet | comet ] , discovere

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

2020-07-15 Thread chuck
At my age, there is no difference. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:13 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back Maybe use the concrete silos. I’ve seen Rohn towers attached to the sides extending above the top, but these don’t

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

2020-07-15 Thread chuck
Could go either way. Could be a bit of truth on both sides. When I was very young, it was common that little kids would get together to play “doctor” etc. The grups even joked about it. Nobody ever suggested we were causing lifelong mental damage. Different world now. From: Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

2020-07-15 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Now the 6 year olds just go to pornhub to figure out what those parts on the other sex look like. Just offhand I’m going to bet ‘playing doctor’ had a lot less long term impact than the current method. Mark > On Jul 15, 2020, at 9:45 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Could go either way. Could

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

2020-07-15 Thread chuck
Not only that, the universe of human behavior portrayed as “perhaps normal” to a young kid is certain to ”inform” their opinion of what is normal and could trigger obsessive interests in - and appetites for - things wholly unknown to the older generations. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesda

Re: [AFMUG] OT comet

2020-07-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh1_wHdUx3Y skip forward to about 3:10 From: AF On Behalf Of Steven Kenney Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 8:31 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT comet More info Comet Hyakutake (Japanese pronunciation:

Re: [AFMUG] American Girl Karen doll

2020-07-15 Thread justsumname
I thought "Karen" was the person who screeches in your face about not wearing a mask ... On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:34 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/american-girl-karen-doll-parody/ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afm

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

2020-07-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
Every generation likes to think it invented sex, drugs and rock and roll. OK, maybe cave men didn’t have rock and roll. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 f

Re: [AFMUG] American Girl Karen doll

2020-07-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
Originally a Karen was an entitled middle aged white woman who demands to see a manager. Now it seems to mean anything and everything. From: AF On Behalf Of justsumname Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] American Girl Karen doll

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

2020-07-15 Thread Robert
They just didn't have roll... On 7/15/20 7:31 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Every generation likes to think it invented sex, drugs and rock and roll. OK, maybe cave men didn’t have rock and roll. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2020 9:01 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Micr

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

2020-07-15 Thread Steve Jones
We do have 25g running up one elsewhere, if they'll let us do that, we could get to our backhaul up there. 11 sticks and 5 house brackets should get us restored On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 8:41 AM wrote: > At my age, there is no difference. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:1

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back

2020-07-15 Thread Adam Moffett
You guys are awesome. On 7/15/2020 9:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: At my age, there is no difference. *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:13 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: I want my money back Maybe use the concrete silos.  I’ve seen Ro

[AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Bill Prince
There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of the ones that popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink satellites is expected to support ~~ 40,000 subscribers. That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at supporting about half a million subscribers (~~ 533,000).

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Colin Stanners
Doing some math: 40K subscribers on 60 satellites is 666 subs/satellite if equally loaded. But load is far from equal, the planet surface is 70% water. I don't know how much the "standard" orbit is over water but let's say 50% as it's further from the poles. Say that at any point in time, around ha

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Adam Moffett
The FCC allowed them 2Ghz of bandwidth for the satellite to user terminal.  20Gbps must assume 10 bits/hz.  Or maybe they mean a different sense of "capacity".  The journalistic sources are never precise about these things. I've been assuming that just like any other wireless you can't put the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
So are they looking at it from the mobile wireless perspective, where speeds are aspirational, “up to”, or “on a good day”? Or from the home Internet perspective, where people run speedtests and bitch if they don’t get what they’re paying for? Who has ever gotten a refund or cancelled a 12

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Bill Prince
Don't forget that these are LEO. I don't know for certain, but I get the impression that each group of 60 satellites represents a ring of sorts. That would put about 6° of separation between each of the sats in one ring. There will also be overlapping rings at som

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread dave
Just install 40k of micropops :) On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote: There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of the ones that popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink satellites is expected to support ~~ 40,000 subscribers. That puts the 800 satellite "moderate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread chuck
The good news is a half million sub limit. They will easily find a half million hard to serve locations around the globe without breaking a sweat. So the low hanging fruit are not our customers. From: dave Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:16 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: De

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Craig Schmaderer
Yeah, ultimately I can still make money charging $50 for a gig if I had to(granted, it would be a lot longer ROI). So as long as my $90 gig plan doesn’t get poached on, I am not worried. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 2:49 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Ryan Ray
You're never going to see starlink in your area if you're offering a gig. On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 1:44 PM Craig Schmaderer wrote: > Yeah, ultimately I can still make money charging $50 for a gig if I had > to(granted, it would be a lot longer ROI). So as long as my $90 gig plan > doesn’t get p

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
If you can sell gigabit for $50 (or even $90), don’t come to my area please. From: AF On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 3:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router You're never going to see starlink in your area i

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Robert Andrews
What I noticed is the flat surface of the "UFO".. Gonna get some snow on that without a heater... On 07/15/2020 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So are they looking at it from the mobile wireless perspective, where speeds are aspirational, “up to”, or “on a good day”? Or from the home Internet pe

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Mark Radabaugh
On fiber it’s actually pretty easy to do (Gigabit for <$90) - because people don’t use it any harder than they use a 25/3 connection. Mark > On Jul 15, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > If you can sell gigabit for $50 (or even $90), don’t come to my area please. > > From: AF mailto:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Bill Prince
It is tilted, and I don't think it's flat. It's more like a dome. bp On 7/15/2020 3:18 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: What I noticed is the flat surface of the "UFO"..  Gonna get some snow on that without a heater... On 07/15/2020 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So are they looking at it from the mo

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread chuck
Yeah, it doesn’t consume uplink bandwidth. But I learned that with canopy all those years ago. (18 years ago?) We started out selling 256k+ burst. Then as competition came in we doubled it to 512k without increasing cost. Customers loved it. Our upstream connection hardly increased. Later

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread castarritt .
Maybe they can use the motorized gimbal to shake off snow. On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 5:24 PM Bill Prince wrote: > It is tilted, and I don't think it's flat. It's more like a dome. > > > bp > > > On 7/15/2020 3:18 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > > What I noticed is the flat surface of the "UFO".. Gon

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Robert Andrews
I thought it would be dome-ish too, but the pictures show pretty clearly flat and one of them it's not tilted at all. It would likely choose straight up for the shortest path length if it can. But yeah they probably can watch for signal strength and do an automated tilt to vertical as part o

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
So you’re selling 25M of bandwidth and 975M of bragging rights? Gamers probably use the gig speed for awhile whenever a new gigantic game comes out. But that’s not like video streaming which I swear some people do 24x7. From: AF On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
If it's not tilted, that sounds like a squirrel and bird platform. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 5:18 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router What I noticed is the flat surface of the "UFO"..

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Mark Radabaugh
> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > So you’re selling 25M of bandwidth and 975M of bragging rights? Yep, exactly. And that’s all it is really. > > Gamers probably use the gig speed for awhile whenever a new gigantic game > comes out. But that’s not like video streaming

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-15 Thread Darin Steffl
Wouldn't you be better off selling one plan like Google? A gig for $70. Or at least get rid of the $50 plan. Do 50 Meg for $60 and gig for $70. That way it's almost a no brainer to go with the gig. 20x more speed for only $10 more!!! I bet your profit would be higher overall, even with slightly fe