Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions

2016-12-13 Thread Hans Christian Riksheim
I am not sure if I follow. Has Microsoft communicated a change in its support for systemstate restores or is it just IBMs decision to not bother with it anymore? Hans Chr. On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Del Hoobler wrote: > Hi Martin, > > It's true IBM Spectrum Protect did support online syst

Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions

2016-12-13 Thread Stefan Folkerts
Hans, Del already stated that it (online system state restored) were already against Microsofts best practice so I think the problem here is with Microsoft not wanting you to do this rather than with IBM following their guidelines. I understand why IBM can't fully support something that they might

Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions

2016-12-13 Thread Del Hoobler
Hi Hans Chr., Microsoft has had this position since 2008, but IBM still tried to support it due to customer requests. It led to too many situations where a system was unstable after a restore. Del "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 12/13/

Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions

2016-12-13 Thread Hans Christian Riksheim
Hi Del. Why no prior warning? This was news to me until the 8.1 GA. We have several environments where BMR is based on online systemstate restore(which works very well) and now these customers say that they are ready to roll out Win2016. Now there is a rush to look at solutions to this sudden prob

Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions

2016-12-13 Thread Tom Alverson
The worst part about this is the extremely poor setup IBM has for doing an offline restore. They give you the instructions to create your own boot disk. I read it over and could not believe IBM did not have a nice pre-made recovery boot disk like Symantec, AVAMAR and Networker do. Are there any

Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions

2016-12-13 Thread Del Hoobler
Let me ask a related question. Does the hypervisor world mitigate the need for this? I am seeing fewer and fewer requests for this type of recovery because of the capabilities of hypervisors and hypervisor-based backups. Del "ADSM: Dist S

Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions

2016-12-13 Thread Tom Alverson
About 20% of our servers are physical so that does not help there. Also we back up almost all of our VM's with the conventional TSM client. We do some TSM for VE backup (mainly for critical systems that we need to be able to recover quickly) but the amount of effort to troubleshoot backup issues

Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions

2016-12-13 Thread Tom Alverson
I just installed 8.1.0.0 and the GUI tells me I need to install JRE 1.7.0 or greater. I have not rebooted yet. Is this correct? I did not see that anywhere in the release or install notes. There is no way we want to install java on all of our servers On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Tom

Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions

2016-12-13 Thread Stefan Folkerts
I'm going to have to agree on this one from Tom, I also find it strange that IBM doesn't just offer a recovery disk or at least a good tool so you only have to pick the correct B/A client and it will create it for you. Many of our clients are close to 100% virtualized but we also have around 15-20