Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

2010-06-29 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > Or syscall implementation or net / fd / etc implementation. > pkg/runtime should be easy. I'll do it tonight. It would be nice to avoid a system call if possible :-) ron

Re: [9fans] xml

2010-06-30 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:25 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > > Eventually you'll find that the entire world became a nail for the XML > hammer and that things like SOAP, XML-RPC, are just not very good due to the > fact that sending XML documents on a wire for simple RPC calls is grossly > inefficien

Re: [9fans] ipconfig DHCP problems

2010-07-09 Thread ron minnich
When you start having interrupt problems, and they are fixed by nomp, it's a good bet the motherboard has a bad MP table. Many, many boards have tables that are quite broken. Vendors frequently change IRQ hardware structure and the general rule is ACPI will likely be right, because Windows wants it

Re: [9fans] webfs and Numerical result out of range...

2010-07-22 Thread ron minnich
Run webfs under strace. It's amazing what you can see. ron

[9fans] imap4d OSX client

2010-07-24 Thread ron minnich
I don't understand this problem, I hope someone does. imap folders on mac mail clients don't get along with plan 9, and never have, with errors like this: imap4d at 1279866051: upas/fs open maya/Sent as status failed: ''/mail/box/maya/Sent' does not exist' Thu Jul 22 23:20:51 PDT 2010 imap4d at 12

Re: [9fans] imap4d OSX client

2010-07-24 Thread ron minnich
Thanks for that, the decision the customer used in the end was to move to me.com. The Cloud cometh. ron

Re: [9fans] dvips(1): RFC

2010-08-20 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM, wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 04:42:22PM +0100, Richard Miller wrote: >> > I want dvips(1) to only have >> > one configuration file, called: "dvips.cnf" (and not "config.ps" >> > since it's not Postscript instructions) >> >> The default config file name may be

[9fans] copyright/log

2010-08-29 Thread ron minnich
We have a guy at Sandia called a "look and feel coordinator" (cue bad jokes!) They require a logo and copyright footnote. Any hints on how to include a .jpg in troff? I'm really troff-impaired, having dropped it over a quarter century ago for TeX thanks ron

[9fans] problem with building from source on vx32 solved

2010-08-30 Thread ron minnich
I'd been having a problem once I built from source on vx32. lots of commands would hang until I hit return. ratrace showed this: rminn...@xcpu2:~$ more /tmp/problem ratrace -c /bin/date 24577 date Pread 0x19f6 0 0ee0/"." 8 0 = 1 "" 0x11cef69ae0b06c68 0x11cef69c0a58d900 24577 date Close 0x1a3

Re: [9fans] problem with building from source on vx32 solved

2010-08-31 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:54 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> A simple change: >> pid = getpid(); > > shouldn't you just fix it so _tos->pid is set? yep. I just have to find the time. > > also, the comments in the new nsec.c don't > match the code.  the code looks something like this > >        do{

[9fans] gumstix ovaro

2010-08-31 Thread ron minnich
go ${loadaddr} ## Starting application at 0x8200 ... Plan 9 and hang. It's one of these: OMAP3503-GP ES3.1, CPU-OPP2 L3-165MHz Gumstix Overo board + LPDDR/NAND I2C: ready DRAM: 256 MB NAND: 256 MiB If anyone has used such a beast, let me know. Linux works fine (aren't we all sick o

Re: [9fans] problem with building from source on vx32 solved

2010-09-01 Thread ron minnich
OK, the problem with _tos on 9vx is making some sense. gcc and 8c disagree on the size of the Tos struct. It's declared the same way in 9vx as in Plan 9, but 8c thinks it is 56 bytes and gcc thinks it is 88. The reason is that 9vx is compiled on a 64-bit machine in this case, so we are running 32

Re: [9fans] problem with building from source on vx32 solved

2010-09-02 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:57 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > since 56%4==0, can't you correct the size mismatch by using > 32-bit types to prevent 64-bit 9vx from doubling the size? yep, that's what I'm doing now. I just ran out of time to finish it. ron

Re: [9fans] problem with building from source on vx32 solved

2010-09-02 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:05 AM, ron minnich wrote: > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:57 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > >> since 56%4==0, can't you correct the size mismatch by using >> 32-bit types to prevent 64-bit 9vx from doubling the size? > > yep, that's what I'

Re: [9fans] problem with building from source on vx32 solved

2010-09-03 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: >>that avoids the exploding 9vx problem. But we need to get a real fix. > > i'm sure i posted the real fix to the list (essentially issuing CLD at > specific points). > > I missed it. If you can point me to it I'll give it a try. ron

Re: [9fans] 8086 Interpreter

2010-09-03 Thread ron minnich
I've used bochs to do bios debugging. You have to enable a few things but you can get an assembly trace. Another option is qemu with a gdb port set up. The turnaround on assembling and running is fast enough that you may not really need an interpreter. ron

Re: [9fans] kw IC

2010-09-03 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 5:11 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > the main thing they have in common is that they both pass > at least one of ron's "how to tell if a specification sucks" tests. > :-) They have the added advantage of the exponent after the I. Reminds me of the degrees of infinity. So i

[9fans] too many system calls.

2010-09-03 Thread ron minnich
Glibc /bin/date on Linux runs around 140 system calls. A quick pass with ratrace shows that plan 9 /bin/date has 10. The conclusion is clear: plan 9 date has way too much overhead. It's 1/14 the number of system calls of Glibc; why's it so big? A quick pass on getpid() fixes the problem: #includ

Re: [9fans] too many system calls.

2010-09-04 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Akshat Kumar wrote: > Is ratrace usable on native Plan 9 (I understand it's in use on 9vx > thus far)? I don't see a /proc/n/syscall file for any of my processes; > is there some kernel patch for this? One could take the modified version of my syscall tracing code

Re: [9fans] Sheevaplug - USB working? Just checking

2010-09-06 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Nemo wrote: > Iirc, there's still work to be done to get them working fully and  properly. > But i may be mistaken. > I remember I had to add support for kbin and mousein, as Erik points out. Well, here is the kind of hackathon type of think it might be fun to do

Re: [9fans] Sheevaplug - USB working? Just checking

2010-09-06 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:05 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > i like the idea.  unfortunately, iirc this problem hangs on specifications > which we don't have.  so perhaps it would be better to attack a problem > were we're not just guessing. I've come to the conclusion that where hardware is concern

Re: [9fans] Sheevaplug - USB working? Just checking

2010-09-06 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:26 AM, ron minnich wrote: > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:05 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > >> i like the idea.  unfortunately, iirc this problem hangs on specifications >> which we don't have.  so perhaps it would be better to attack a problem >>

Re: [9fans] 9vx and replica/pull on OS X

2010-09-10 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Paul Lalonde wrote: > What am I doing wrong? I would argue that, while it is quite cool in principle, replica is the wrong way to solve the source distribution problem. I gave up on replica a year ago because I got tired of the kinds of problems you're having. s

Re: [9fans] 9VX failure

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
I am pretty sure Charle's patch will fix this problem ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx and replica/pull on OS X

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
Hi, I just did a fresh pull for my sysfromiso tree from bitbucket, mk nuke etc. and it built fine. It's a lot of fun to look at, e.g., http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso/changeset/147b5c83d6f4 and see all the good stuff still being done on this kernel :-) ron

Re: [9fans] 9VX failure

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 09:34:20AM -0700, ron minnich wrote: >> >> I am pretty sure Charle's patch will fix this problem >> > Is that included in rminnich/vx32, where default compilation fails with > a missin

Re: [9fans] 9VX failure

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
Try 2. sorry. Thanks again to charles for finding that CLD issue. ron hg diff diff -r c7e9b5edb8d4 src/9vx/main.c --- a/src/9vx/main.cSun Dec 27 09:49:22 2009 -0800 +++ b/src/9vx/main.cFri Sep 03 16:58:16 2010 +0100 @@ -55,6 +55,7 @@ static voidbootinit(void); static voidsigin

Re: [9fans] 9VX failure

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
hg diff diff -r c7e9b5edb8d4 src/9vx/main.c --- a/src/9vx/main.cSun Dec 27 09:49:22 2009 -0800 +++ b/src/9vx/main.cFri Sep 03 16:58:16 2010 +0100 @@ -55,6 +55,7 @@ static voidbootinit(void); static voidsiginit(void); +static void machkeyinit(void); static char* getuser(void);

Re: [9fans] 9vx and replica/pull on OS X

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
OK, just checked, and my vx32 repo at bitbucket.org has the cld patch. I guess yiyus committed it? ron

[9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
any good ideas here? I'm running with 9vx -m 1024. Kind of hard to believe I'm out. mk gs pcc -o 8.out obj/gs.8 obj/adler32.8 obj/compress.8 obj/crc32.8 obj/deflate.8 obj/dscparse.8 obj/gconfig.8 obj/gdevabuf.8 obj/gdevbbox.8 obj/gdevbj10.8 obj/gdevcd8.8 obj/gdevcdj.8 obj/gdevdbit.8 obj/gdevddrw

Re: [9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Robert Ransom wrote: > BUGS >          There is a large but finite limit on the size of an argment >          list, typically around 409,600 bytes.  The kernel constant >          TSTKSIZ controls this. > ... > > > Robert Ransom > no, I'm running under ratrace an

Re: [9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
This operating system is so much fun it's unfair at times. term% grep Brk /dev/text | grep 8l 4684 8l Brk 0xdeba 0003ea58 = 0 "" 0x11d2943ddb0c6c28 0x11d2943ddb0ccdd0 4684 8l Brk 0xdeba 000570f8 00017494 1fa8 = 0 "" 0x11d2943ded6477a8 0x11d2943ded64cd98 4684 8l Brk 0xdeba 000

Re: [9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
Actually it's really simple. Stack in 9vx begins at 48 MB. A bit small for compiling gs I suppose :-) I'll see how to grow it. ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
diff -r 6ab31397d4b9 src/9vx/a/mem.h --- a/src/9vx/a/mem.h Sat Sep 11 23:09:14 2010 +0200 +++ b/src/9vx/a/mem.h Sat Sep 11 19:31:19 2010 -0700 @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ #defineVMAPSIZE(0x1000-VPTSIZE-KMAPSIZE) #defineUZERO 0 /* base of user

Re: [9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
OK, the bigger user stack is committed to my vx32 at bitbucket. ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-11 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:59 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> -#define      USTKTOP         (0x400)             /* byte just beyond >> user stack */ >> +#define      USTKTOP         (0x800)             /* byte just beyond >> user stack */ > > shouldn't you add a 0 to that?  what's wrong with

Re: [9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-12 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Russ Cox wrote: > there might not be 2gb of contiguous address space to have. > this is running inside a unix process. Good reason :-) What's interesting is I ran 9vx for quite some time and never hit an issue until 8l had to load gs. ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx/vx32 - Out of ignorance

2010-09-12 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: > Back to the question, then: is there any reason why I should not be > looking into doing this? I'm kind of a "go ahead and do it" person w.r.t. this, and I certainly have no ownership of 9vx, so I'd say "why not?" The more the merrier. orn

Re: [9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-12 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Russ Cox wrote: > (and actually i thought the 9vx limit was 256 MB; > maybe ron cranked it down.) I don't think so but I'll dig around. ron

Re: [9fans] 9vx mk install chokes on gs

2010-09-12 Thread ron minnich
Ah. It was 256 MB but Yiyus changed it 8 weeks ago to 64MB. Why? ron

Re: [9fans] troff fonts with special characters

2010-09-13 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Jeff Sickel wrote: > Has anyone experimented with using TeX to generate equations, store them as > .eps, and then insert them into troff in some way that makes: > > .BP eqn1.eps > .EP > > look like > > .EQ (1) > sqrt{ {x sup 2 + x + 1} over {x - 1}} > .EN > > Onl

Re: [9fans] c compiler bug

2010-09-14 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Brantley Coile wrote: > I've a need for the pragma.  We're using it.  That's how I found the problem. > bwc I can tell you that people who use this sort of thing at some point discover it's not really what they wanted. They end up writing functions to more or les

Re: [9fans] [OT] CSP in fortran ?

2010-09-16 Thread ron minnich
I don't like it very much but ... have you looked at openmp? (NOT openmpi, openmp) ron

Re: [9fans] [OT] CSP in fortran ?

2010-09-16 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret wrote: > I was about to :) > From what I read I see no advantage over Co-Array for what I want to > do though... Co-Array is neat. As to which to use, it's a heated argument. There are even people who use MPI on shared memory machines so that if

Re: [9fans] Venti Server: Connection reset error

2010-09-20 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:34 AM, raghuveer wrote: > I setup Venti (from plan9 port for user space) on an x86 box. When my > program issues vtwrite( ) call, i get the following error:- > > vtversion /dev/fd/10: vtversion: Connection reset by peer > vtversion /dev/fd/11: vtversion: Connection reset

[9fans] just tested sysfromiso tree with sheeva plug

2010-09-23 Thread ron minnich
it still works fine. Thanks geoff, good things keep happening in the arm tree :-) For 9vx users, I have been hg pulling from the sysfromiso tree regularly and doing a mk install and it's all working smoothly now. I try to do this once every other night. I can now reliably build a complete tree for

Re: [9fans] just tested sysfromiso tree with sheeva plug

2010-09-23 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:40 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > could you provide the rest of us who don't know about the > "sysfromio" tree some background on this?  thanks! http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso it's a periodic snapshot of the plan 9 sources (from the .iso). ron

[9fans] sheeva

2010-09-25 Thread ron minnich
Just playing with the plug again ... Anyone using sd yet? usb disk? I'm getting errors on each one .. probably pilot error. ron

Re: [9fans] sheeva

2010-09-25 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 1:32 PM, wrote: > You are probably interested in plan9 related issues, but you might be > interested in this as well: if you run cpu intensive stuff, the plug > will get hot. My plug practically killed 1 sd card and almost fried > another one as well. I have found several

Re: [9fans] sheeva

2010-09-25 Thread ron minnich
can somebody post a boot serial console log with a working sd plugged in? I'd like to see what I'm missing. I don't see the sd being detected. ron

Re: [9fans] sheeva

2010-09-25 Thread ron minnich
my sheeva says this: 192.168.2.3# cat ctl enabled control rw speed high maxpkt 64 pollival 0 samplesz 0 hz 0 hub 1 port 1 busy storage csp 0x500608 vid 0x1307 did 0x0163 'USB 2.0' 'Flash Disk' ehci 192.168.2.3# pwd #u/usb/ep2.0 192.168.2.3# (here is usb probe) 192.168.2.3# usb/probe ep1.0 roothu

[9fans] sudden kirkwood problem

2010-09-26 Thread ron minnich
nandecccorrect: calculated ecc 005b stored ecc 001ba110 nandecccorrect: 2 bit error (page 0) can't read 112 bytes from : i/o error authid: bootes authdom: home secstore key: password: nandecccorrect: calculated ecc 005b stored ecc 001ba110 nandecccorrect: 2 bit error (page 0) can't write ke

Re: [9fans] sudden kirkwood problem

2010-09-26 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> nandecccorrect: 2 bit error >> (page 0) This was a red herring >> can't write key to nvram: i/o error >> version.panic: boot process died: unknown This was fixed by restarting 9vx, which is serving as the fs and auth. no idea what happe

[9fans] system call tracing is in!

2010-10-04 Thread ron minnich
Man am I happy, I'm going to use this. Man ratrace for info. Thanks to Russ for the original code review on the 9vx version and many improvements. Thanks to Noah Evans for writing the first version of ratrace user-mode tool. Thanks to Jim McKie for the substantial improvements in the current vers

Re: [9fans] system call tracing is in!

2010-10-04 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:39 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > typo in the man page?  i don't see /proc/pid/syscalltrace > but i do see /proc/pid/syscall. no rest for the weary, eh :-) can you get me a list of mistakes so I can fix it one patch. My bad. ron

[9fans] install utility

2010-10-06 Thread ron minnich
I'm setting up an arm with a usb root. I've the fossil and venti but I'm a little unclear on how the standard install populates the file system -- where is that script/code anyway? thanks ron

[9fans] iwp9 ideas for hacking

2010-10-09 Thread ron minnich
make a version of the pc-style install image that can be (a) put on a usb and (b) make it as easy to install on ARM as it is on PC. I have a usb with fossil/venti installed and set up. Make a script to do the update from sources like the PC one does now. HOWTO on setting up 9vx so it can be auth/

Re: [9fans] IWP9-2010 tentative schedule

2010-10-09 Thread ron minnich
one thing: if you can, bring outlet strips, as we may end up somewhere that is not REI and be hacking away. It happens. I'm bringing a stone-age outlet strip without built in surge protection ... Bring any little fiddly cables that come to mind: I just realized I don't have a dvi -> analog vga cab

Re: [9fans] So, why Plan 9?

2010-10-11 Thread ron minnich
getting it right: - less code in plan 9 than in most configure scripts (hard to believe but true) - plan 9 memory management code is 1 file, linux is 55 - almost no assembly in plan 9 ; # lines assembly is GROWING in linux - growth of linux code size is exponential (this is part of the getting it

Re: [9fans] live streaming?

2010-10-11 Thread ron minnich
livestream.com/iwp9 I think eric won't let me try it. ron

[9fans] ron's talk

2010-10-12 Thread ron minnich
watch this first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzKj-1HaKw

Re: [9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread ron minnich
/sys/src/9/beagle I think it works but have not run it for some time. On this note ... anybody figured out FTDI and OSX? I have no serial to my ARMs any more. ron

Re: [9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread ron minnich
Found the problem. OpenRD uses a non-standard 5 pin microusb connector, and I had the wrong cable. I keep forgetting the vagaries of the usb sub-standard. ron

Re: [9fans] beagleboard

2010-10-12 Thread ron minnich
Sorry, /sys/src/9/omap/beagle ron

Re: [9fans] some group photos

2010-10-13 Thread ron minnich
It was a great workshop. More than once I heard someone mention that it was "the best IWP9 they'd attended". What was interesting was that I heard the exact same sentiment last year ... guess we get better by the year. And, I got to let the smoke out of an ethernet switch WITHOUT setting off any f

Re: [9fans] inferno status/roadmap?

2010-10-14 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:55 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > blame me.  i must have dropped the ball. We all did. We all reviewed the sched and got caught up in the rush and just missed it. And I'm very sorry we did, I was looking forward to the talk. Next year! ron

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-15 Thread ron minnich
2010/10/15 : > i wonder if making 9p work better over high latency connections is > even the right answer to the problem. The reason I care is that the link from a CPU node to a file server on blue gene is high latency. It might as well be cross-country, it's so bad. >  would it not be cool to h

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-15 Thread ron minnich
2010/10/15 Charles Forsyth : >>The transition from a stream to the packet-oriented file IO protocol has >>never been comfortable. > > `RPC-oriented' might be more accurate than `packet-oriented', given the > way that streams are implemented. Correct. ron

Re: [9fans] πp

2010-10-15 Thread ron minnich
2010/10/15 Nemo : > So, when I hear migration, I just tend to see what happens after it has > been implemented and faces the spaghethy phase. And even if you get that right, it may not work well on hardware. We saw cases with linux migration, while migrating from one x86 to another, where valid F

Re: [9fans] permissions

2010-10-17 Thread ron minnich
It's worth mentioning that the /adm/users contents have no effect whatsoever on the permission checking for /dev/nvram. ron

[9fans] fun with ratrace

2010-10-19 Thread ron minnich
somebody was asking me about listen in the library. You can do this: ratrace -c /bin/aux/listen1 tcp!*!500 /bin/rc it's instructive; you can see how bits fit together. ron

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug port available

2010-10-19 Thread ron minnich
cd /sys/src/cmd/5a mk install etc. ron

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug port available

2010-10-19 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > On 10-10-19 12:21 PM, ron minnich wrote: >> cd /sys/src/cmd/5a >> mk install > > If he's missing 5a there are probably other bits missing, too, so: > >  cd /sys/src >  objtype = arm >  mk instal

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug port available

2010-10-21 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: >bootes is a member of the sys group, but > as we discussed previously, that won't be honored in the current > implementation. I'm pretty sure we did not say anything like that. ron

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug port available

2010-10-21 Thread ron minnich
The most effective way I've found to build from sources is to use mercurial. The second most effective way is replica. I have found I quite enjoy building from and hacking on a sources tree backed by mercurial. YMMV. ron

Re: [9fans] fOSSa

2010-10-26 Thread ron minnich
Design : Philippe Poulard Development : Philippe Poulard Documentation : Philippe Poulard Tests : Philippe Poulard Web site : Philippe Poulard Logo : Philippe Poulard Packaging : Philippe Poulard Manager : Philippe Poulard So. Who are those guys? ron

[9fans] replica/pull as of today

2010-10-29 Thread ron minnich
trying to build an omap, I get a missing mousexy and mouseresize in libdraw. They are indeed not there at least in what I pulled. Any hints here? ron

Re: [9fans] replica/pull as of today

2010-10-29 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM, wrote: > They are defined in port/devmouse.c. there is no port/devmouse.c in my tree. Pull just done a few minutes ago. ron

Re: [9fans] replica/pull as of today

2010-10-29 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:58 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM,   wrote: >> They are defined in port/devmouse.c. > > > there is no port/devmouse.c in my tree. Pull just done a few minutes ago. arg. no wait there is. Hold on. ron

Re: [9fans] replica/pull as of today

2010-10-29 Thread ron minnich
OK had to uncomment the mouse in the devs, and all was well. ron

Re: [9fans] T/RStream?

2010-11-02 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:41 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > I could see wanting to work this into the user space implementations of 9P > that exist for various programming languages. Andrey did work it into the Newsham code and it worked well, I think he still has it. ron

Re: [9fans] T/RStream?

2010-11-02 Thread ron minnich
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > Cool.  You mean Newsham's Python code or Newsham's Haskell code? :-) python. ron

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread ron minnich
ignoring the troll, but for the rest of you here: plan 9 is *very* active. If you're the kind of person who understands that we don't need to change 'cat' any further, then you understand the work that is going on. If you're the kind of guy who can't resist changing things that don't need changin

[9fans] bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32

2010-11-08 Thread ron minnich
I think there are some people using my vx32 repo. Noah evans has pushed changes to make it build on OSX. Yiyus has done a LOT of work on his vx32 repo and I just did a pull from there. It all seems to work but ... building from the latest sysfromiso fails. Here is the error: 8l -o 8.zerotrunc z

Re: [9fans] bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32

2010-11-08 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:13 AM, ron minnich wrote: > 8l  -o 8.zerotrunc zerotrunc.8 > mk awk > yacc -o awkgram.c -S -d -v awkgram.y > >  fatal error:cannot open table file awkgram.c, :1 > mk: yacc -o awkgram.c ...  : exit status=rc 26794: yacc 26796: error > mk: for(i in

Re: [9fans] bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32

2010-11-08 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:37 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> hmm. The problem just "went away" before I could see anything with ratrace. > > gotta love a race.  perhaps you should try mk all in a loop until it fails? It refuses to fail now. I think it was something weird between linux and vx32 but

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread ron minnich
I never much liked .u so I'm happy to see it go away :-) But I wonder what the failure of .u says about the version mechanism. In the 9p stuff I did in 1998 for linux I used the SunRPC way of handling protocol variants: client asked to do an op (e.g. Treadlink) and got back an ENOSUPPORT if server

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM, erik quanstrom > wrote: >> >> since plan 9 assumes that strings are null-terminated but >> 9p has explicit rle, one could send uids/errorno after the 0, >> but before the rle says the string is done. >

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > Not really, the intent was that servers could implement a subset of > the .L features, and return Rerror for any that they don't. Wonderful! Floren is already fixing plan 9 servers to work this way anyway :-) > That isn't currentl

Re: [9fans] p9p factotum available for plan 9

2010-11-12 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > No, that's true.  I think this is actually a huge open issue for > existing distributed file systems in general and I'm not sure of a > good way around. yeah, we had lots of discussion of this about 8 years ago with 9grid and never wo

[9fans] another type of static linking: send all the shared libraries with the program!

2010-11-12 Thread ron minnich
I can't help it, this one struck me as quite funny, after all the shared library discussions we've had on this list. "A Stanford researcher, Philip Guo, has developed a tool called CDE to automatically package up a Linux program and all its dependencies (including system-level libraries, fonts, et

Re: [9fans] another type of static linking: send all the shared

2010-11-13 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:58 AM, wrote: > That's only fair.  GNU ls is probably about the same number of > lines of code as Plan 9 :) actually, I'm pretty sure the configure script is as many lines as Plan 9 :-) ron

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-14 Thread ron minnich
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Jacob Todd wrote: > The full standard c library isn't included in a statically linked > executable. Only what's needed is, at least on plan 9, i have no idea what > gcc does. To emphasize this comment: Plan 9 has always done the equivalent of what gcc recently got

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread ron minnich
the contrib tools are based on replica and in my experience that makes them slow and fragile. You might want to give the 9pm stuff I did a try. It works,it's far faster, and they're trivial shell scripts that are easy to understand. Simple example, installing openssh is about 50 times faster -- min

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:20 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > I just tried contrib/remove, lots of files were rm -f'd, and in the end, > contrib/install says it's still installed. Yep, that's not an unusual experience. ron

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:36 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > Ah now we're failing again: > error: copying /386/bin/X11/equis: '/n/dist/386/bin' does not exist > error: copying /386/bin/X11/twm: '/n/dist/386/bin' does not exist > error: copying /386/bin/X11/xclock: '/n/dist/386/bin' does not exist > e

Re: [9fans] contrib/install fgb/X11?

2010-11-15 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Federico G. Benavento wrote: > also it shouldn't take that long... if you have the latest contrib > tools what happens > it's this: it first fcp's an iso.bz2 to your /tmp and runs replica from there. > neat. That's a good step. 9pm won't use replica but at the sa

Re: [9fans] acme

2010-11-27 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Kenji Arisawa wrote: > Hello 9fans, > > After recent update, acme does not run normally. > When I execute acme command in a rio window then the window falls into blank > with an error message something like > "qunlock ..." > Anyone experience similar phenomena? I

[9fans] latest minicluster: ARM fun

2010-11-30 Thread ron minnich
Here is our latest minicluster design. We used the gumstix stagecoach. It's nice, 196 Ovaros in a box. We had a number of failed attempts on an enclosure design: http://picasaweb.google.com/rminnich/Strongbox?authkey=Gv1sRgCI6PwZXM57iZ8gE# That was my first design, it was really quite compact an

Re: [9fans] latest minicluster: ARM fun

2010-12-01 Thread ron minnich
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Very cool!  more lights than the WOPR and slightly less than the > Connection Machine :) > > The Stagecoach board seems to be available on gumstix site. Anyone order it > yet? we ordered them :-) ron

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