e have used 2.8 GB of
that, with basically no precautions taken to set anything +t; in
general, if it's around at 4 a.m., it's going into Venti. I figure we
have roughly another 2,000 years of storage left at the current rate
:)
John
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:07:08 PST "John Floren" wrote:
>>
>> For reference, I set up our current Plan 9 system about half a year
>> ago. We have 3.8 TB of Venti storage total. We have used 2.8 GB of
>> that, with basically no precautions taken to se
, identifiers that began with I
through... N? were automatically integers. Thus, I and J were easy.
There may be a good reason for that, I've heard that it came from
quaternions but that may be false.
John
cript actually ran
properly and I only had to do a little bit of hacking to account for
things like the lack of crypt() (so yes, you have to type in a
plaintext password in the config file rather than giving it a hash).
There's a tar at /n/sources/contrib/john/miau9.tgz, or you can check
out the
t you aren't tempted to make assumptions
about them that aren't backed up by the code. But I'm a mathematician,
so I tend to have peculiar ideas about such things.
--
John Stalker
School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:03 PM, John Floren wrote:
> Back when I had my FreeBSD server, I used to run a tmux session and
> irssi to keep myself connected to IRC at all times. This let me
> access it from any computer with an SSH client.
>
> Now I only run a Plan 9 server, b
Turns out it's been fixed after a pull--thanks to whoever submitted that patch!
John
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Jens Staal wrote:
> That error is very common where "ls -di" is called in the configure
> script (strange that it did not complain on your other syste
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Yaroslav wrote:
> 2012/1/12 John Floren :
>> but I missed the simplicity and
>> convenience of having just one nickname on IRC at all times
>
> why not to use their nickserv extentions for this purpose,
> and a startup script to
es you
desperately suggest half-assed alternatives? I've been using Plan 9
for something like 7 years now, I'm reasonably familiar with what you
can do with it... is it so terrible that I got a piece of software
working and felt like sharing the changes?
John
is some merit to the original idea, it's just been
almost universally misunderstood. There's a coherent, if rather
longwinded, explanation in the first link in that stackexchange
page you cited.
--
John Stalker
School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
r.c
cc: flag -P ignored
cc: flag -: ignored
cc: can't find library for -l
/usr/john/Python-2.7.2/Parser/grammar.c:46[stdin:12906] incompatible
types: "IND CHAR" and "INT" for op "AS"
/usr/john/Python-2.7.2/Parser/grammar.c:108[stdin:12968] incompatible
types: &
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Martin Harriss wrote:
> John Floren wrote:
>>
>> I figured I'd try building Python from the source on their website
>> just for kicks. Configure went ok, but when I went to run "make", it
>> soon bailed out with this er
returns void, but the code expects it to
return int. You can get around this by adding -DHAS_vsnprintf_void to
the CFLAGS variable in /sys/src/ape/lib/z/mkfile.
John
g" with your Plan 9 install? It looks like
/386/bin/go/8g doesn't exist. I wouldn't call that reason for
re-installing, unless I've missed something in that output.
John
ding while
> using Hg, but if we're looking forward then keeping current should be
> addressed.
>
> -jas
>
That would be really great... Ideally, if you update Python, you could
get patches put in to officially support Plan 9. If I remember
correctly, there was at least one Python developer who was interested
in helping with that.
John
has been dealing with problems due to osx : mangling.
>
> - erik
>
I think we decided that the : mangling came from a careless copy from
an iso9660 image... but OS X may be responsible for the case-mangling
of Kill and kill.
Too many emails, not enough time
John
While waiting for Linux to compile, I started poking at the 9fans
archive and noticed something:
The 13th message ever sent to 9fans
(http://9fans.net/archive/1993/04/13) ended by asking about "find".
Plan 9: Not UNIX, since 1993
John
gt; 3) we have to pay more if we want our papers to be freely accessible
> 4) we are not paid for peer review
>
> 4 times a shame, at least.
>
> Nicolas
>
Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be
able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got
exclusive rights...
John
e you figure out how the devices work in Inferno, it should be
pretty easy to write code that will link your file operations in
Inferno to the printing framework on the Macs.
John
e rider, "And then force
Peter to use the library exclusively". I somehow doubt that acme will
suddenly turn into an MS Word-esque monstrosity simply because someone
has created a successor to libpanel.
John
o things in userland on a single
Plan 9 box (or VM), while I've found that kernel work is best done
with at least a CPU server, a "victim" PC with serial output so we can
catch crash messages, and then another box where you can sit to
actually write code--a much more complex thing for a student with no
hardware budget to set up!
John
boot plan 9 from
this cd", eliminating the need for the 9pcflop kernel and its limited
root environment.
I'd worry that doing an overhaul of the installation process is more
of a 1-2 week project, although it would be useful and a very nice
simple task.
John
I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work.
It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just
say, "Oh, I'm bored with this, I quit".
John
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Joseph Stewart
wrote:
> So this all makes me wonder why some
mployees while also (ideally) improving open source projects. The
only thing 9fans has out of that list is the interest in improving an
open source project :)
John
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Joseph Stewart
wrote:
> I guess I didn't realize there was pay involved. How about a kick-sta
enter it in Firefox, but there may be a way to
get abaco to work.
You can also do something like '/sys/lib/python/bin/google calendar
list' from an rc prompt, so whipping up a guide file for Acme will be
very easy.
John
g is one-off.
>
> encoding, termencoding, and fileencoding all show as utf-8
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Also, how do I change the font used by vim. It is not using $font.
>
> Thanks,
> -troy
>
I have a solution, but you're not going to like it :)
john
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:56 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> bad troll
>
relax
Obvious solution, switch to reading comp.os.plan9 and sending replies to
the list :-)
On Apr 16, 2012 11:48 AM, wrote:
> can't receive mail from 9fans anymore. but can i
> still send?
>
> --
> cinap
>
>
x27;s thesis :) I had some trouble with
running it at first (O/mero wouldn't start properly, unfortunately I
can't recall the error, I think it's in the 9fans archive), but the
setup scripts make it pretty simple to configure.
John
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:07 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:26 PM, wrote:
>>> I was thinking along the lines of http://lsub.org/ls/octopus.html, myself,
>>> using a child of Inferno.
>>
>> Yeah, sound like interesting.
>> Can I try t
Oh, and 8 registers are far too few.
>
If you're doing cryptography and physical simulation, computation
bound stuff, why not set up a 64-bit CPU server? I've got one at work,
all you should need to do is get the 64-bit binaries on your
fileserver.
John
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Strake wrote:
> On 25/04/2012, John Floren wrote:
>> If you're doing cryptography and physical simulation, computation
>> bound stuff, why not set up a 64-bit CPU server? I've got one at work,
>> all you should need to do is
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Strake wrote:
> On 25/04/2012, John Floren wrote:
>> There are 3 options:
>>
>> 1. Suck it up and use the 64-bit system that is available
>> 2. Write drivers for your hardware (this is the comedy option)
>> 3. Complain on 9f
a window for the user to edit, and then save out.
Works for me... this is what I do when writing commit messages in hg.
Sure, you have to go into the right-button menu and open the file
window, but it's 2 mouse clicks and I find sam a lot more convenient
than acme for this kind of quick edit.
What behavior are you seeing?
john
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Strake wrote:
> On 25/04/2012, John Floren wrote:
>> Through the magic of compression, and other things like realizing that
>> you don't have to redraw the *entire* screen 60 times a second when
>> displaying a mostly-static desktop.
&
or the kernel source.
john
ms in general, check out the stuff under /sys/src/cmd.
John
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Isaac Cortés wrote:
> Thanks a lot to everyone, I'm planing (my english sucks too) to learn about
> O.S. and C with this project, 'cause I'm kind of Hipster Student
> Informatic&
Great! Graphics support at this point, or is it still in the cpu server stage?
john
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:30 PM, wrote:
> After you pull, you should see a new directory,
> /sys/src/9/teg2. From the _announce file:
>
> This is a preliminary Plan 9 port to the Compul
eos if you feel
confident enough; I made a few some years back and they were generally
well-received by the random youtubers who found them. Just please make
sure the things you're talking about are accurate--spreading bad
information about Plan 9 is worse than doing nothing :)
john
A Thinkpad X60 or X61 works great and is very light, too.
john
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Burton Samograd
wrote:
> Along these lines, is there a recommendation for the best laptop for running
> plan9? Ie. Native video, working Ethernet/wifi, no hassles with HW
> compatibility,
I've got one of those with the 1400x1050 display, it runs Plan 9 well,
looks great, and has a fantastic screen.
john
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM, wrote:
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X61_Tablet
>
> -sl
>
ownload a ton of
headers each time you start upas.
However I've found that with both old upas and nupas, there are some
messages that make them choke. Sadly I can't remember what triggered
it.
john
Secstore really helps here.
john
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Federico Benavento
wrote:
> http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mail_configuration/index.html
>
> factotum doesn't have your key, try
> % auth/fgui &
> % /bin/upas/smtp -as net!smtp.gmail.com dest@d
9front has a mailing list, that's probably the best place to ask these
kind of things.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Burton Samograd
wrote:
> The features list of 9front has the subject line. How in development
> is it, and could anybody give a documentation/HOWTO on getting it
> working (if
Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted...
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Lucio De Re wrote:
> (Trolling unintentional)
>
> The misspelling of Xerox in Acme has bugged me for a long time. I
> want to suggest that we change it to Clone. Votes?
>
> ++L
>
>
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
> On 30 May 2012 11:25, erik quanstrom wrote:
>>> Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger).
>>
>> dop. dop! make it stop!
>> i can't not
>> will not
>> have a dop!
>>
>> - erik
>>
>
> copy?
>
That surely won't be confused with the "Snarf" function
7;m too used to Acme (with all its quirks) to try putting that sort of
thing in, though :)
john
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:05 AM, steve wrote:
> Aww, leave sam alone, he served us well for (so) many
> years, zerox is part of his baroque charm.
>
> if where to change any text, wh
7;t netboot, it's just not worth it.
Or we could ignore all these and, in grand 9fans tradition, start
talking about a port to some hardware platform that's been dead for
over 5 years. SPARC64 et al are sorta played out by now, but I've got
a PDP-11 just sitting around...
john
t;
Vera (I think from your contrib) works very well for me, I find that
it looks good and has good enough coverage for all my uses.
The biggest challenge with Plan 9 fonts is getting the heights right;
often converted ttfs will have the bottom of "g" and a lot of the
non-ASCII characters cut off at either top or bottom.
john
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Nick LaForge wrote:
>> sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub
>
> I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always suffer in this
> regard, since the phones these SoCs were designed for don't even come
> close to needing gbe
>
Gurup
because I cycle through about
a half-dozen window managers a year in search of WM nirvana. I love
using rio on Plan 9, but I'm not entirely convinced it is best-suited
for the way I use Unix. Some day I may write my own WM, but today is
not that day.
john
ut as Federico mentioned, you might not want pcdisk--that's for
running with a kfs root, which isn't officially supported any more. If
you were looking at the 3e guide, that might explain it. These days,
for a terminal, you probably want pcf (pc + fossil).
john
.
But yeah, *best* option is to netboot a 9pc kernel, it's lovely to
just hit the power button when you're done working.
John
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Kyle Laracey wrote:
> On Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:48:06 PM UTC-4, John Floren wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM, erik quanstrom
>> <quans...@quanstro.net> wrote:
>> >> But as Federico mentioned, you might not want pcdisk
plement an API. And, based on a brief reading of
http://www.groklaw.net/pdf3/OraGoogle-1202.pdf, it looks as though a
US judge has ruled that an API is not subject to copyright; if you
implement the 9P API, you should be fine. Also, since you're doing a
free reimplementation of code which is currently available free to
everyone by the creators (Lucent), I have a hard time figuring out
exactly what basis they'd have for a lawsuit.
john
nning something along these lines, please let me know. I'd most
like to see lots of cores and lots of RAM, I don't even want storage
(we've got other methods for storage).
Thanks,
John
n want storage
>> (we've got other methods for storage).
>
> hey, john, i've had incredible luck with intel servers from supermicro
> for general beat-about servers.
>
> just as a quick suggestion, i'd look at this server here.
>
> http://www.supermicro.com/p
an option.
Is there a way to boot a cpu server such that it will just accept
connections from anyone, without authentication? Sort of like how you
can connect to sources as "none", except for cpu.
john
personally,
> i'd lean
> toward adding an environment variable which could be put into plan9.ini
> and be the equivalent of -m.
>
> - erik
>
You can also use a boot.fs kernel, so you can define the startup in an
rc script. Very convenient, I used it to set up our
cpu/auth/fileserver to use a Coraid AoE device for Venti.
John
too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png
john
Everybody, PLEASE, restrain yourselves and send the EDID output to Ron
directly, not to 9fans.
John
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:22 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> so, if any of you have X11 running, and could do this:
> xrandr --verbose
>
> and send the output to me, subject
> EDID
>
, stick with reading and writing files, and let 9P do it's thing.
>
> --
> Veety
>
>
Write a basic http server for Plan 9 (in C) and run Apache Benchmark
against it. Somewhere around 100 concurrent connections, I tend to get
failure. There's code in /sys/src/9/ip that has a hard limit on the #
of concurrent connections IIRC.
I'd post the code for the server I wrote, but it was written as part
of work so I can't. Still, it's not hard to put together a server
which responds only to a GET.
john
eroff on ubuntu?
>>
>> Pull the cable and or battery.
>>
>> G.
>>
>>
>
> Don't use Ubuntu.
>
> --
> Veety
I think that was the joke.
john
Asking the same question 3 times in as many minutes will not get any
faster answer
john
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:10 AM, wrote:
> hi,
>
> i just tried to get to the plan9 stuff at plan9.bell-labs.com and the google
> DNS doesnt even resolve the name. i know that it could be host
imple to fix the swap code, if you're inclined to do some kernel
hacking, because the kernel in general is pleasant to work with.
john
hints to google.
>
> Help me, please.
>
Go ahead and ask the question--it looks like you forgot it in your first email!
john
bind comes far too late.
You need to physically copy the file over, and then presumably reboot
to get everything set properly.
>
> The following also failed:
>
> cat /adm/timezone/US_Central > /adm/timezone/local
>
Did you reboot after doing this?
John
Evidently decided by the Plan 9 Cabal... sp9sss has competition!
Or it came up at Dublin and the rest of us missed it, whichever one :)
john
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Matthew Veety wrote:
> Yes you did.
>
>
It means that the football hooligans will be out of town rather than
filling all the hotels and drinking all the beer. I'm told that Athens
during a college football game is truly a sight to see. (From a
distance. On closed-circuit camera. In a bunker)
john
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM,
u the installer from there (Erik, have you done this yet?).
I've never even SEEN an ARM system with a CD-ROM, and it's uncertain
if a given ARM system's bootloader will support booting from a USB
CD-ROM drive; it's just not how OSes are installed on ARM!
john
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013
ou should be able
> to install it with no problems.
>
> - erik
>
If you check out the Go source and don't find any build framework for
Plan 9, you may need to check out the current repo tip to get it.
That's what I did when I installed Go, but it was months ago so YMMV.
john
tain a full fossil
filesystem; you can start the installation from there. In fact, I had
made a 32-bit bootable USB stick for Nix about a year ago and included
a script to start the installation, I'll see if I can find it.
john
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:26 AM, John Floren wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rox 64 wrote:
>> Hu guys.
>> Will Plan 9/9atom/9front run on a EEE 1005HA?
>
> I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be
> getting the CDROM to boot in a machi
as an ELF file.
This means, of course, that you'll have to make do with default
configuration options or hard-code the options, since GRUB doesn't
read plan9.ini.
john
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rox 64 wrote:
> I don't really want to deal with ELF binaries and Grub...
> I will try 9front and if its bootloader works then I will use it against
> vanilla Plan 9.
I merely suggest GRUB because it seems like most of the time, if I can
get through 9load, I can bo
've misconfigured plan9.ini.
john
I recommend checking out the 9front list,
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/9front. They
announce the new releases there and list the changes. It would also be
a good place for asking about 9front.
john
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Francesco Cardi
wrote:
> h
d actually be.
Am I missing any options for filesystems that are supported by both
Linux and Plan 9? Can anyone comment on the reliability/usefulness of
ext2srv?
john
doesnt support jurnaling.
>
> --
> cinap
>
Someone mentioned that 9front has a 32-bit FAT implementation, is that
right? If so, it would probably be the best contender.
john
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:52 PM, wrote:
> dossrv always had fat32 support. you'r probably refering to disk/format,
> 9bootfat and pbs which do support fat32 now in 9front.
>
> --
> cinap
>
Thanks, you're entirely right, I was thinking of disk/format.
john
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Sun Jan 13 13:45:52 EST 2013, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Blue Gene
>>
>
> hard to fit in the basement.
>
> - erik
>
I don't know about the /Q's A2 processors, but you could at one point
buy PPC440 development boards, which were
ardware which can no longer be
purchased new (sparc32, alpha), it's just pouring time/money down a
hole. Sparc64 appears to still be available, although only as
expensive server hardware?
john
everal other motherboards lately and
don't remember ever seeing it when I last installed from CD (about 2
years ago).
John
ur to go. I'll probably be able to report on my progress tomorrow.
Have you ever considered hosting the iso on a faster server? It's kind
of harsh to wait 2 hours every time there's an update.
john
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:54 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> I'm about an hour and a half into downloading 9atom, with about a half
>> hour to go. I'll probably be able to report on my progress tomorrow.
>>
>> Have you ever considered hosting the iso on a faster server? It's kind
>> of harsh to wait
Is
> commuting to this location from Atlanta feasible?
>
It's a pretty long drive from Atlanta to Athens. Get a hotel in
Athens, or use Airbnb, or something, or else you'll spend 2+ hours a
day hating yourself as you sit in traffic.
john
able to boot using something like
pxelinux instead of ppxeload. You can boot an amd64 kernel with GRUB,
but I had to change one line of 6l's ELF header construction code.
john
e a good place to get the source.
There are other forks too, such as Erik's 9atom which distributes
basically the same source as you can find on lsub.org (because he
wrote a lot of the patches for the lsub fork)
john
x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
open("/proc/stat", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 3
Process 3345 attached (waiting for parent)
Process 3345 resumed (parent 3344 ready)
[pid 3344] open("/proc/sys/net/core/somaxconn", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 3
[pid 3344] open("/home/john/
I think his mail client is just too world-class, breathtaking,
amazing, and fabulous--have you tried it?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> can you please stop sending html mails? thanks
>
> On 2/21/13, Comeau At9Fans wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Cha
ail.
>
>
> It's "just" gmail, perhaps my own admission of failure? :)
>
Gmail has interesting ideas sometimes about when it should send HTML.
I seem to have figured out how to make it always send plain-text, but
unfortunately I can't remember how exactly I did that.
john
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://plan10.tumblr.com/
>
"I'll set up the wiki"
xcpu is cool, but it doesn't really have anything to do with either of
his questions besides being generally related to HPC.
I don't see why you couldn't make linuxemu portable, Ron did something
similar to run CNK binaries on Bluegene.
john
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Benc
This is just a guess, but what does your $PATH look like?
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Rubén Berenguel wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm trying (just for the sake of getting it to work!) to read my (imap) mail
> via acme from plan9ports. I got the mail file server started in my namespace
> (I can
are not like gnu screen--unless hubfs and/or iosrv can do
barriers and reduces and I just missed that part?
john
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM, wrote:
> John Floren wrote:
>> I probably didn't read the iosrv and hubfs stuff well enough, but
>> multi-pipes are not like gnu screen--unless hubfs and/or iosrv can
>> do barriers and reduces and I just missed that part?
>
> Th
ng
in Acme that posted a file in /srv, supported multiple channels, etc.,
but also tended to gobble up a lot of cpu time when I'd start a new
instance of the client. Server authentication would be useful for
authenticating to my bouncer too.
john
patience. For
better or worse, that's the way the world works.
> Anyway, no clue who made it to the end of this wall of text, but
> thanks if you did.
You're welcome.
>
> Ben Kidwell "mycroftiv"
>
--
John Stalker
School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
Look.
I'm sorry nobody commented when you posted your software.
I'm sorry you and Eric et al. were working on sorta similar things at
the same time.
But can you cut it out with the fucking nuclear meltdowns all over
this list? And fix your email client so it replies to threads
properl
200x32
>
> vgadb:
> | dellm70=1920x1200x32
> | clock=162
> | shb=2020 ehb=2108 ht=2160
> | vrs=1201 vre=1204 vt=1250
> | hsync=+ vsync=+
>
Here's the process I used to moderate success:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/adding_a_monitor_to_vgadb/
Worked with a Syncmaster 240T, which was 1920x1200.
john
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