Yes; no difference.
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Thanks, but I don't think the issues is that a different way of
getting that directive working is the issue; that family of
directives seems to be no longer supported. There are a bunch
of posts for various linux systems about this, as well; they
now rely on xrandr to do the job. I'm m
I've got two Pi 4 with 1GB RAM and one with 4GB. All are running the
same firmware. Using the same SD card in both, based on the image
currently in contrib/miller, the Pi with 4GB behaves normally, while
those with 1GB reboots after a while, seemingly spontaneously, while
sitting idle. I
Sigh. Dependent *on* ram.
I should also point out that I'm not
doing anything noteworthy in config.txt;
I believe the only changes were HDMI
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) were only available to a very small
number of people. 3rd and 4th were previously available as open source,
but under a license which was problematic for some people (especially
the 3rd edition). We think making these available under the MIT license
is something that's going to be a signif
FWIW, here's an excerpt from my /cfg/sysname/termrc which i use to
start an extra fossil. The disk is a large (10TB from memory) WD Elements
connected to one of the USB2 ports. I don't yet start the venti
automatically because i keep remaking it to try different
configurations, but it
An example of automating what Richard said:
My system name is 'syrup' and my local SSID is 'Ranch'. I
have a plain file, $home/lib/wpa/Ranch, which has the WPA
password in it. Then in /cfg/syrup/termrc, I have this:
bind -a '#l1' /net
echo 'key proto=wpapsk
I did port Exuberant ctags several years ago when I was
dealing with a large body of unfamiliar code for a
project. Mine is here:
http://9p.io/sources/contrib/anothy/src/ctags/
It is a pretty straight-forward port, just adding an
output type suitable for acme (file:n). About a year
ago (I
Working on a little one-page report, I noticed htmlroff wasn't
outputing my footnotes. Looking at the papers in /sys/doc, it
seems htmlroff produces them properly when they're in the
abstract, but not in the main body.
Anybody looked at this o
see test.(html|ms) in http://a.9srv.net/htmlroff/
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> If you’d like to make a donation in another way, more
> information can be found on the Foundation’s page for
> donations:
> http://plan9foundation.org/donate.html
It's been pointed out to me that the text didn't match the
helpfully-automatically-added link. What th
We unfortunately were not selected for GSoC this year. If you were looking for
a fun way to spend your summer, we’d of course love to still work with you
regardless, or if you’re looking for GSoC specifically, there are a ton of
other interesting projects participating, as always:
https
I wonder what percentage of people who reply are going to be running a finger
server they wrote. :-) My tcp79 comes from my implementation, here:
http://txtpunk.com/finger/index.html
I think we've got enough interoperable unicode-aware implementations we can
start working on the update t
Thanks; I really enjoyed the talk. Is your version of the thumb toolchain in
one of your repos?
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Is anyone running a Raspberry pi with a largish
display? I've not been able to get anything over
1920x1080 working. If you are, I'd love to see
your config.txt and hear about anything you
had to do beyond flashing the "normal" image.
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Thank you, this exact set of lines ends up being exactly right for driving my
LG 27UK850-W at 1/4 resolution (native resolution would need some work put into
the window system and fonts to be more comfortable). I don't believe I'd tried
the max_framebuffer_* or hdmi_pixel_freq_limit settings bef
On my cpu server, replica seems to be confused over its current
point in time.
When I first ran it today, I got a bunch of (correct) local
conflicts, and several files were updated. I resolved a few of
the local conflicts and re-ran, and while several things worked
fine, some odd behavior started
do use the powered hub, but what made
a bigger difference for me was getting a beefier power supply
(most of the USB things you'll likely find lying around are in the
.5-1 amp range; optimally, the pi wants 1.2 or better).
Anthony
Does anyone on the list have a copy of or pointer to
"Electronic Mail Without Aliases", by Elliott and Lesk?
It's referenced in the 8th Edition Unix manual, but
I've never read it (and only have vol1 of the manual).
rthy.
If you've not read it, you (and everyone else in CS) should
read "Reflections on Trusting"[1], by Ken Thompson,
describing how he bugged the login program and then
made it roughly undetectable. Things like cpu's -P can
help in a sense, but at some point it comes down to
tr
retty easy. In Acme acme on Plan 9¹, run
Local 9fs wiki
which will connect to the wiki and mount it at /mnt/wiki
within a running acme. Next, run
Wiki
to launch the client, which will read the files in there
and give you a much nicer interface. On the main page
there, you can right-cli
or tricky about the program, even if it
is not clear that they are bugs. Mentioning something in
a BUGS section does not imply a commitment to fix it.
Whenever you see the BUGS section in a Plan 9 man page,
mentally replace it with NOTE or BE CAREFUL ABOUT THIS BIT.
Changing the
Not unless I'm missing something. That makes the paths
plumbable, sure, but it doesn't hand them to Wiki (the acme
program), so you just get the directory that Wiki reads,
which isn't really the best situation.
Shouldn't be much to it.
Anthony
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> ² It'd be neat if someone woul
// I have an IDE HD with fossil (no venti) partition on it.
// It contains some data precious to me.
David's already provided good instructions on dealing with your
immediate problem, but allow me to take a step back:
Don't do that!
Fossil, without venti, is not the stablest thing
> I reorganize my data very often, moving between dirs, renaming,
> reorganising tree structure...
> How will Venti cope with this?
Well. Venti does block-level deduplication. If you have 100 MB of data
in dir A and move it to dir B, you're not going to duplicate that storage
(
It sounds like you're describing irc7. There's also an irc7.2, which
is some cosmetic changes, plus factotum authentication. I usually
use the ircsrv from irc7.2 (which does the factotum bit, talks the
irc protocol, creates a /tmp and /srv file, and sits in the background)
and the irc
Sources has been up and down repeatedly for the
last two or three days (and is down at the moment).
Just try again in a while.
Anthony
begin evaluating orgs to
decide who gets to participate.
The application itself is coming along nicely. It's mostly
the same as the past few years, so that's the easy part. The
bigger deal is the linked pages, most particularly the ideas
page. This is a key part of the evaluation proc
> It should be indeed underlined that this is a compatibility
> feature, and not a POSIX feature.
APE does an excellent job of making that distinction clear.
Its use of defines to forcibly break syntax was quite
educational as a young programmer.
Anthony
I have not tried this, but I suspect that if you change
w->tagexpand to FALSE in /src/cmd/acme/wind.c:/^wininit
and recompile, you'll get the Plan 9 behavior. The code
paths are still a bit different, but on cursory examination it
looks like that'll give you what you want.
Anthony
Apple has no such "odd stance" against multi-button mice.
Buy one and plug it in. It's worked just fine at least since OS X
came out. The chording will be vastly more comfortable that
way. The keyboard mapping (even with your patch, which
does seem to be an improvement) is intende
// What do you think would fit the model (inside Acme, I mean)?
I don't really know - that's why I said I wanted to see experiments. ;-)
You already mentioned one patch, and I think it's a good start. It was
pretty comfortable when I was using it regularly (I don't use the p9
It can be more complicated than that if you want it to be. ☺
Normally, though, factotum is started once when a user boots a
terminal, and that one instance is used throughout. on a cpu
server, it's slightly more complicated, but not much: there's one
started for the hostowner, and each
ld all be done shortly.
So now the fun work starts. We need to get as many students as
we reasonably can interested in what we're doing and convinced that
working with us for a summer is a good plan (and, really, who could
argue with that?). More students yield more accepte
This came up in #plan9, and I reduced it to this example:
:; mkdir cat dog pig
:; echo meow > cat/tabby
:; echo woof > dog/mutt
:; bind cat pig
:; bind dog/mutt pig/tabby
:; cat cat/tabby
woof
That is not what I'd expect, and certainly not w
Junaid:
Hey there. This is a good spot for general discussion of issues
related to Plan 9 on the Raspberry Pi, and will probably get you the
broadest audience of people running it. If you'd like to discus things
specific to your proposal (or generally get a more gsoc-specific
2nd Edition Plan 9 had a neat program, games/road, which
provided a map of the US with data on roads and the like.
Among other neat features was the ability to highlight
just requested features. For example, you could have the
map show just I-80 and US-22.
I've got a project (not related to
// What do you guys think?
Generally, I think you'll find the answer is "we quite like it".
The main reason it is the way it is (and, talking about just
the UI, it's more or less been this way since 1989) is that
folks who become familiar with the system generally find
it quite powerful. You talk
Luis:
Yeah, it's quite unfortunate that GSoC is restricted by US finance
laws. But we're sure glad you're interested. I'd personally love to see
something come of your markdown work. Please let us know when
you've got something to share!
Anthony
I use a Pi as my main terminal and find it generally works
great. I had a bunch of USB issues until I made sure I was
using a 10W USB adaptor and a powered hub.
In the round after mine, they made some revisions to the
power handling which I understand make it a bit less fussy.
Anthony
To clarify:
Yes, participation in GSoC is governed by US financial
regulations which restrict individuals (students or mentors)
from certain countries, including Cuba and Iran (and a few
others I can't think of off the top of my head, but it's a
very short list).
While I believe this
Great! Happy to hear you're looking to apply. The deadline
is next friday. You can find the full timeline here:
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013
There's a specific time on that page (with all the dates
after the application period close, too).
I'
n in the system is the best way to get feedback on the
specific proposal itself (mailing list discussions are great, but can
get a little off-track from what you're specifically looking to do
over the summer).
Like most orgs, we're still "under capacity" right now, in
your exact problem still isn't clear to me, but certainly there've
been times when I want to search for some array of characters
in a binary blob. i don't believe i've needed anything beyond a
literal string of bytes, but i could imagine from there the utility of
something r
I have not yet, but i've been meaning to play around some with
different arrangements for different parts. Please let us know if
you hear anything interesting.
Anthony
...and how does that help me read a pre-existing PDF document?
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> Thinking of tackeling ghostscript again but failed at the first hurdle,
> it needs autotools to build...
Plan A, create a SmallScript borrowi
Alternately, see /n/sources/patch/import-z. That seems like
the right answer to me.
I assume you mean the !tcp564 example is incompatible
with real *9p clients*.
has anyone ever written (for lack of a better term) a
devdraw proxy? my application at hand would be to
"tee" the messages between multiple "real" draw
devices, but i can think of a number of useful things
such a proxy might do. i'd be interested in hearing
about any exam
While poking around for something unrelated, I found a 9fans
message[1] from Russ describing a hypothetical menuless (sic)
rio. It sounded interesting so I've mostly implemented it in nile[2],
a rio derivative I've been poking at. I think it does everything
described in that message but
nd hit page-down/arrow down once more to "show"
the last line and enable "scroll" mode. page-up or up-arrow once will
act normally but have the secondary effect that noscroll is enabled.
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// The one I still occasionally miss is 9term's look option
// which used to use before I had real plan9 :-)
Me too. I'm hoping to get to that. There's a no-op in nile's
button 2 menu (when running without -m) now. Hopefully
it'll be functional soonish.
// how does one delete windows that have another window
// manager running inside (rio or nile)?
To delete a window with any graphical program, you'll need
external help. Under the hood, you write 'delete' to the target
window's wctl file. The winwatch fork mentioned makes this
easier.
// If you are working on a project, edit some files, and then
// perform a mk, if files you haven't changed get built, I for
// one would constantly question myself, about whether or
// not I changed that file. It would make things confusing.
It's confusing because it doesn&#x
// What I am beginning to understand from comments like
// this is that there is a "club Plan-9". Everything ever done
// by the originators of "club Plan-9" is correct, period. No
// mater what exceptions, special cases, or good new ideas
// occur, they are wrong and we w
// I have provided examples of why the way it works is a problem.
// Members of "club Plan-9" insist that that is just the way it works, as
// opposed to here is a counterexample why the way it works is better.
No, we don't. You keep hearing that, but nobody's saying it.
quanstro
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ape-cc-objtype: lunaria21
That is not what "Never" looks like. This is not to say that there
are no issues with patch evaluation or sources' management;
Your example works if you use co instead of cf. I don't know whether to call
this a documentation or implementation bug. It certainly seems weird that, say,
sb (solid box) uses the fill color while di uses the background color. The
documentation seems more consistent, but who knows.
Cert
I like secstore, but the chicken-or-egg question is real. It's
from the world where you have a dedicated auth server, and that
doesn't always track with a laptop needing a key to get to the
network. I do store my wpa key outside secstore for this reason,
and then use it for everything e
Since this has come up on the list several times, to turn my paper
written with troff's ms macros into an A4 pdf, I did this:
{echo '.pl 29.7c
.nr PO 2.2c
.nr LL 16.6c'
cat paper.ms} | troff -ms | dpost | ps2pdf '-sPAPERSIZE=a4' > paper.a4.pdf
I haven't tested it, but I think if you're using non-
Does anyone have pictures from the workshop?
I brought my camera but it seams that I did not
make so many photos anyhow.
Jonas
I just wanted to say thank you to Richard Miller (if he is reading this) for porting plan 9 to the raspberry pi. Having put so much work into a dead os (uh oh, am i going to get bashed for this?) is simply great. I am so happy having a good platform for running it and experimenting with it.
Thank
Oh shit, I didn't realise..
adrian
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> (uh oh, am i going to get bashed for this?)
Nah, instead you'll get
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I've included the link to a short "Introduction to 9P Cloud&quo
Interestingly, I had the same problem. But now it seems to work, I can access
everything as normal.
Maybe it was just a test to find out how quickly we would realise that the site
was down.
adrian
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Hm, that looks interesting. I like what that they are trying to make plan 9 a
bit
more accessible by using familiar programs and closing the gap between modern
unix
and the plan 9 ideas. However, I think I'll rather keep vanilla plan 9 or 9front
(rio is still better than X11, sorry)
>> Is the git protocol really so huge that a native implementation
>> wouldn't be feasible?
>The git protocol and file format is very simple. I'm sure it's easier
>to write something from scratch than port git.
>Aram Hăvărneanu
Is there a version control sy
>CVS works adequately.
Thanks a lot.
adrian
>Mercurial works.
If you have got an installed python.
adrian
I have yet to decide if I am sleeping one night in Thessaloniki before
I go to
Volos, or if will try to catch a late train, giving me a whole day to
relax in Volos,
before the workshop begins.
I am thinking of staying at Alexandros hotel instead of Park hotel, as
the former
seems to be a bit cheaper
Hi everyone,
I've been trying to figure out how to create A4 documents with
Plan 9 troff. Looking at the source of dpost and the PostScript
output of GNU troff, I found a very easy solution.
1. Call dpost with -P to set the correct page size:
dpost -P '<< /PageSize [ 595 84
> MBR...PBS1...Bad Format or I/O error
> Press a key to reboot...
I also had this issue with Openbox-ubuntu-core2duo-ich9/ahci-sata, although
it was intermittent, sometimes it would barely work (painfully slowly) clear
into the part where I was looking for a distro to copy. I dont mea
I have plan9 running on a qemu installation, and I had a similiar problem
installing it.
The --no-kvm-irqchip option on the command line may have solved the problem.
I also may have walked away from the machine for 6 hours only to return and
find that it had installed, only to tear down
Ugh, I have to comment because to my noobness this sounds like an easy
project, and an easy project to over-think. Teach a java app how to draw
boxes like rio, and plug it in. Right?
I would love to use Rio on a touchscreen, unfortunately I need to eat. So if
I get that eating thing figured out
So any more thoughts on whether or not this would be useful?
I have to revise: that I did point to a java sdk and really should have
constrained my contents to something like jquery api instead.
So- why? (why build a website of drawterm)
(I think) I like plan9 as a potential network controller
On 3/26/09, David Leimbach wrote:
> 2009/3/26 Zhao Shuai
>
>>
>> >Does creative masoshism count as GSoC project? I dont know :)
>> >
>> >Hm... These points all belong to the big topic, getting modern linux
>> >distro binaries (NTPL stuff) to w
Hi, folks!
Is there an easy way to transpose the text so that rows become
columns, and vice versa? Delimiter is space. Perhaps in AWK?
Thanks,
=
Petr A. Cejchan
http://home.gli.cas.cz/cej/www/
http://www.facebook.com/cejchan
work: +420-233 087 237
home/SMS: +420-720
Hi,
is there any way to print out, e.g. , $2 $3 $4 $LAST,
i.e., just omitting $1 ?
I was advised to use 'cut' , but, according to plan9 wiki I should use
'awk' for 'cut'...
Thanks,
++pac.
=====
Petr A. Cejchan
http://home.gli.cas.cz/ce
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Russ Cox wrote:
> awk '{print substr($0, 1+length($1)+1)}'
>
Big thank you, Russ, however, wouldn't it be smarter if we had some
kind of 'not' operator here...? Sometimes, especially when you write
the script by hand it is easier to delete few fields than to
expli
> awk '{$1="";print}'
> should do what you want, provided that you don't care about leading spaces.
really, it works, I have still much to learn, thank you,
Peter, aka ++pac
nevertheless, nobody has a working scanner on plan9 ??
++pac
if i understand it right, your scanner is NOT connected directly to a
plan9 native box...
++pac
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
> if i understand it right, your scanner is NOT connected directly to a
> plan9 native box...
>
> ++pac
>
this is from your web:
Requirement - Software: Java Sun Microsystems; Operating System
Windows 2000, Wind
> No need for spezial software except a Cifs Server.
> The scanner use smbclient.
i repeat: i do not wish to have anything to do with windoze os, nor
with smb and other bullshit. sorry for such a rude wording... windoze
annoyed me along with other proprietary sw 20+ yrs i do share
i dont understand you sry...
sorry to intervene... though...,
I'd like to point out, that, even a late 9fan since 2001, or so :) I
use Plan 9 on a daily basis, just switching 2 linux for
overcomplicated web pages like thode full of java, javascript,.. (type
here your most hated one...) and for scanning printed docu
Welcome aboard!!
I think you will need to compile the prgs you download from
'sources'... just type 'mk install' n the proper directory
please do not hesitate to ask me more if you're in a problem,I 'm not
a guru, but I have some 10 yrs. experience with plan 9 as m
I agree.
++pac
> want to use. If its useful to you, chance are it is useful
> and interesting to someone else, too.
>
> Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com
>
>
> I haven't logged into a real Plan 9 system in many years,
Oh, n!!! WHY?!?
As a plain user, a non-techie, I use Plan 9 native as my firs OS on
everyday basis... I log onto linux only for testing things that may be
worth porting, and for compiling the c++ stuff...
Please, do not
hi,
i would like to append next line if current ends with ']'
however
sed '/\]$/N' foo
does not work...
++pac
> sed -e '/]$/N' -e 's/\n//'
Thanks, it works, at least wit 9sed on linux, will try on plan9 native
in a while...
Diky,
Petr.
> it's doing what you're asking - but that's a no-op,
> because N includes an embedded newline.
thanks, need more experience, sorry for annoying,
++pac
i wiill give it a try
you might also want to check out my (ape) port of glimpse
/n/sources/contrib/pac/sys/src/ape/cmd/txt/glimpse-4.18.6.tbz
thanks,
++pac
Although I feel this is fatal, I better ask.
fsys main
main: check fix
. . .
fsys blocks: total=... lost=4
block foo[124]: corrupted meta data
thanks,
++pac
plan9/newUI+page.pdf
http/www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/newUI+page-fullscreen.pdf
Best regards,
Peter.
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Shane Morris wrote:
> Cohesive compilation of hacks?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Bence Fábián wrote:
>
>> We already have
Hi!
I'm trying to setup my first multi-host Plan 9 system.
I was thinking about running file server/auth server on a VPS so that
I can access it from anywhere.
I configured cpu service on my VPS and I can connect to it via
drawterm. But when I try to boot a terminal that is configured to u
OK, I checked and found out that the auth server seems to announce all
the needed services. In fact i use a recent 9front and it seems to
have reasonable defaults regarding all this stuff.
When I turn off authentication on the server side, I can mount my auth
server's filesystem via 9fs s
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
> Anyone know of such a tool? I see masses of tools for drawing
> digital logic timing diagrams but nothing that seems to give
> me what I need for realtime code.
I haven't done realtime programming, so my apologies if I
I'm not familiar with a function named settimer, is that from Windows?
Given the name, would sleep/alarm fit your requirements?
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/2/sleep
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wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I’m trying to port some code to p
Sorry, I missed the extra 'i' in there. So is the requirement to get all
three of those time domains supported? Supporting all three looks to me
like something one would need for building real time systems or a profiling
tool?
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:57 PM wrote:
> > I'
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