On 2/17/10, Steve Simon wrote:
>> And another important feature of shared libraries is, that when
>> some lib is updated, importing programs dont have to be recompiled.
>> What's the Plan9 solution here ?
>
> We recompile the relevant executables.
also, plan 9 uses filesystems for many things tha
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> The multi-touch stuff added to plan9ports to make the Apple Magic
> Mouse work is really nice; I confess I didn't really believe Russ when he
> described it as feeling natural, but it does. It's pretty easy to forget
> about the mecha
On 3/16/10, John Floren wrote:
> Shame it doesn't have a cell phone radio built in, or Ron and I might
> have just what we needed for the 9phone.
I'm been using the same phone since 2003 - the only phone I've ever owned -
so I obviously don't care (or know) much about "smart phones". I don't ev
On 3/17/10, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> as to hardware/software: i'm often struck at how badly hardware
> designers still misunderstand how the software will want to see things,
> and not just on things like the openmoko.
I'm often struck at how badly software designers still misunderstand how the
u
On 3/21/10, ron minnich wrote:
> What's interesting to me about this is that
> I can not imagine even attempting this on any other os or windowing
> system. It was just too easy on Plan 9 however.
>
> ron
so, are you basically saying that linux is a complex operating system,
and it just takes a
On 4/13/10, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> - se d(1) does not support single character duplication : \{m,n\}---I
Just to clarify, it's Plan9's libregexp that doesn't support {n,m} quantifiers.
stuart
The way most congruent with the system might be to have $font a
2-variable (like prompt), to have you favourite fixed- and
variable-width fonts both settable in the obvious place: your profile.
Completely unrelated programs could conceivably reuse this trick.
> The guy in front of the console should authenticate as a normal user
But you do authenticate to Plan 9 as a normal user. On one node you're
the hostowner, but to the *system* you authenticate as a normal user.
One guy on here lately was actually attaching to his fileserver as
none.
A "system" is
> feature i would ove: something equiv to a PS1 line so i know what
> folder i'm in. Can I do that with $prompt?
IIRC, with es you can get persistent history, and control your prompts
with arbitrarily complex logic, all without building stuff into
/bin/es. You can do it with es code in esmain or y
> I just wanted the shell, not the whole thing
You should post it to suckless. I recall a thread years ago discussing what
the ‘official’ shell of the suckless project ought to be. Rc went completely
unmentioned for at least about half of the thread, although they can’t
possibly have been unawar
I take back the stuff where a directory can be a command - it interacts weird
with $path:
you’d do `..’ thinking it’s the same as `cd ..’, except it’s actually `cd
/bin/..’.
> is there a buildable version of es any longer?
I just found
http://wryun.github.io/es-shell/
I’ve never actua
> then we have a hardware line capable of running it
There was never any reason why whoever wanted to do phone stuff
couldn't just run 9vx on those Atom phones from Lenovo.
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> Is this lightning bolt a hardware feature? Like, it overlays it on the
> display, even on Plan 9?
Well yes, but actually no:
https://ownyourbits.com/2019/02/02/whats-wrong-with-the-raspberry-pi/
There's an OS involved.
Also I ordered a 1GB compute module without thinking of this thread.
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If you're using the 9front userspace you might want to throw the
9front kernel's port directory at 9vx and rebuild (I haven't tried
this). Not that that has anything to do with your current problem.
I wonder why it says DHCP failed instead of no success with DHCP.
Can't help you with the tun/tap
On 29/12/2020, sirjofri wrote:
> ori's new filesystem
What's this? and why is it needed? Hjfs already fixes the worst thing
about cwfs already (needing to copy files from one partition to
another on the same disk).
Though speaking of new file servers, the Irssi /upgrade trick would be
good to ha
Try copying the .dtb *and* the start4 and fixup4.
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Might as well note here that the USB on the CM4 is the USB-C on the
4B. A found (just now) forum thread confirms that the CM4 actually
has an XHCI and just doesn't expose it at all. Nothing on this in the
datasheet.
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On 18/01/2021, Mack Wallace wrote:
> the Caps Lock and Num Lock keys not functioning. (The caps lock acts like a
> control key, num-lock does nothing - I presume it’s a mapping issue).
Yeah, they're not supposed to work; see keyboard(6). I don't know the reason;
either someone just didn't like lo
You'll need to reinvent (or change, at least) plumbing if you want
multiple editors, be it one
per file or one per project.
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> Have you seen ptrap(4) in 9front?
Yes, Ori mentioned it in 0intro, the Plan 9 podcast
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On 06/08/2021, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> man 6 regexp: http://man.9front.org/6/regexp
I wonder if it would be good if libregexp itself could look for a
fixed string the way Plan 9 grep does: '*foo' is foo.
I've found myself wanting this in Mothra. Can't remember the
circumstance. It might be
On 11/08/2021, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> /sys/doc/net/net.pdf
Heads up: spends alot of time on STREAMS, which are not a part of Plan 9.
The FQA also links to that paper with no such forewarning.
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On 18/08/2021, Keith Gibbs wrote:
> Hell, there are cool things I wish were 9front [unless they were snuck in],
> like some of sigrid's keyboard system tweaks and theming hacks.
No. The base system would then have two completely different ways to set font.
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> No. The base system would then have two completely different ways to set font.
Although looking up the font is pretty centralised (in initdraw) so
who actually cares what the specific mechanism is.
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On 22/08/2021, Eli Cohen wrote:
> deep learning is another interest of mine too. hardware support is a
> big deal for that... some kind of support for GPUs would be nice.
> people have discussed that for years... hardware drivers are difficult
> and important to do correctly!
There's virtio_gpu,
On 04/09/2021, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> it's worth doing the plan9 specific protocol anyway.
> mainly bec. it could be very simple to implement, between multiple
> plan9, given that /dev/mouse is already network transparent.
I can't think how Plan 9 would work as a server (as in, the machi
On 06/09/2021, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> To be clear, the discussion is about sharing a Plan 9 term's
> mouse/keyboard with non-Plan 9 machines/displays.
I know. See previous post.
> The usual way is to layer file-servers to build up the namespace that
> you need.
I know.
> The extended (freera
On 06/09/2021, Paul Lalonde wrote:
> It does look like this would need raw mouse state to get the DX/Dy data
> instead of absolute screen positions.
You could detect when it's at the edge, make it invisible (as
screenlock does), make it visible (on the box that doesn't have the
mouse plugged in)
On 30/09/2021, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> As it is a 9front specific question, you might consider posting to the
> 9front mailing list.
No, he's talking about
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On 29/12/2021, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote:
> 9front wiki has some too, for example: http://wiki.9front.org/unix2plan9
Needs chgrp for chown.
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On 01/01/2022, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I am simply grateful to see Plan 9 (4th edition),... and other distributions
> have an
> open-source license. There is comfort knowing we can modify and create.
And the older stuff, since to my knowledge it wasn't otherwise
available. Space war has
On 01/02/2022, Ben Hancock wrote:
> as well but have yet to become adept at the trackpoint. Do you find
> you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with a physical
> mouse?
A trackpoint isn't a real three-button mouse by Acme's standards. "A
real three-button mouse" is something th
> That scroll button nonsense is a function of the Windows driver. On all
> Thinkpads the buttons present as a normal three-button mouse, with
> left, middle, and right-click. Using a better operating system, or
> failing to install the Trackpoint drivers, leads to normal
> functionality.
I'm awa
> Another interesting project would be seeing if it could be
> modified to work as a 64-bit binary but still running a 32-bit environment
> on the inside...
https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/papers/vx32:usenix08/#:~:text=The%20recent%2064,bit%20host%20application.
This needs to happen. I'd use it.
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 10:09, Edouard Klein wrote:
> I love it when I discover that something down on my todo-list has
> already been done, [ ...
> ... ]
> > https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/divergefs/
It's been done *twice*: https://git.sr.ht/~kvik/unionfs
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Perfit mouse. I've never used one or anything, but it's what the
thread asks for.
http://www.contourdesign.com/
stuart
On 12/19/12, Luke Evans wrote:
> I'm sure I could search all the sources for various examples of such
> things, but does anybody know of a good (preferably concise) sample
> that demonstrates the correct way to write GUI apps in Plan 9?
Russ Cox had a page full of trivial graphics programs to lea
On 12/19/12, Dustin Fechner wrote:
> Do you mean this site?
> http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~rsc/plan9.html
Yep, click.c was the one I was thinking of specifically. I remember
reading that - I was a C virgin at the time, I "knew" C but was never
really brave enough to try it before I got Plan 9. I
I'd like to dedicate this email to all the programs that don't know
how to expand environment variables.
See*, $path is no longer in the environment (more or less): it's a
union of all the relevant executables at a known place: /bin.
What's a good reason for your home to be in the environment ins
On 24/02/2013, andrey mirtchovski wrote:
> i think you're misunderstanding what private namespaces do,
Fuck, yes. Sorry. The idea seemed so perfect in my mind, and so
"obvious" that it didn't seem necessary to actually test it.
> but rather than explain why nobody else can see your 'local file
I know that about /tmp. I know devenv too. By the way, have you ever
noticed that the *env libc functions only allow accesses to env files
with names of length 100 - strlen("/env/") - sizeof '\0', while rc
allows names of up to 256 characters? I'm not too concerned about
that one, just saying it
On 24/02/2013, Erik Quanstrom wrote:
> When do you expect environment variables to change underfoot?
I wouldn't. Just because something stupid _can_ happen doesn't mean
it _should_ (you can tab through form fields instead of using the
mouse, but then you lose the ability to type a tab...)
But I
Sorry. What I meant was that rc's already-open file descriptors for
the pipefile'd file aren't affected by the bind, so for an rc to be
affected you need to run a new one. I saw this as being analogous to
how it sees environment variables.
I'm not interested in environment variables anyway, it'
So I read in New Scientist one time that being awake for more than a
certain amount of hours is the same as being lightly drunk.
I shouldn't be on the Internet at all really right now.
substfs, trfs
Tip: Any time someone says read auth.ps, take it to mean read
nauth.pdf; auth.ps; nauth.pdf, where nauth.pdf is the slides at
swtch.com
In others words, read overview; details; summary.
I find the auth stuff to be some of the harder stuff to fully
understand, the existence of this thread corrobor
On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 at 05:46, Bakul Shah via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> Though, the plan9 experiment is now over 35 years old. I wish any rewrite (of
> a rewrite) would consider how the computing culture has changed since then
> and try to address today's challenges somehow. And also conside
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 at 04:44, Cyber Fonic wrote:
> Whilst there are many HPC workloads that are well supported by GPGPUs, we
> also have multi-core systems such as Ampere One and AMD EPYC with 192 cores
> (and soon even more).
> I would think that some of the Blue Gene and NIX work might be rele
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 at 04:24, Ben Huntsman wrote:
>
> So basically there's no getting 9vx to work on modern Mac OS (on Intel, I
> don't mean ARM)?
>
> That's truly unfortunate.
BoxedWINE exists and works, so I don't see that there can't be a "9pcemu".
And yes, "unfortunate" is right - drawterm e
But what about the name collision with the other Nix OS?
On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 at 03:57, Ron Minnich wrote:
>
> I think it's ok to start with NIX, not NxM.
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 10:45 AM Stuart Morrow wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 at 16:39, Ron Minnich wro
No. Also, 9P.L is not merely "9P with 1000 extra messages" as you might
think (https://github.com/harvey-os/harvey/pull/1002), so you'd probably
want to translate that in userspace, like it's NFS or something. QEMU, at
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 at 23:46, sirjofri wrote:
> I especially also thought of some hardware factotum, a usb thumb drive
> which only serves a factotum as a filesystem and can do all the authentication
> and security stuff without ever leaving the device. We'd need to figure out
> how to store the s
Oh yeah, the linux.pdf thing should have been Inferno, too.
"Portability" by emulation seems like cheating, but many Linux midwits
will eat it up and believe "Linux is portable / Linux is simple /
everything is a file" through sheer repetition like how many Americans
seem to believe they're a uniqu
> This has been a very interesting discussion, thanks all. My offer
> remains: if anyone wants to revive NIX, I am happy to help.
Am I the only one who sees that the Fastcall stuff would be good for
bringing some devices out of the kernel (that are devs only for
performance reasons)?
And then, cl
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 at 16:39, Ron Minnich wrote:
> take that 2011 code, bring it to your plan 9 system, and see if
But https://github.com/rminnich/nxm has 410 commits after 2011? My
understanding was NIX and "NxM" aren't really different things, that
they can be understood as just a name change si
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 at 20:15, wrote:
> not sure I have any devices so performance critical that I'd want
> to dedicate a core to them. Benchmarks would be interseting.
The curried syscall stuff came before the execac stuff.
You were the one wanting userspace devdraw.
Are you aware vmx is inherently single-core
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 at 18:01, Paul Lalonde wrote:
>
> Credit where credit is due: this is made possible by the outstanding work the
> 9front crew have done at making a stable working distribution with all the
> bells and whistles - drawterm from my va
On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 at 00:17, Dworkin Muller wrote:
> Plan 9's mostly single-character names, with no
> apparent connection to what they correspond to,
> have completely flummoxed me more times
How is it different from flags?
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I always assumed that was just devdraw.
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