sorry to keep asking,
a couple of years ago you gave me a technique for stopping part of usb and then
restarting it with debug turned on (done from a usb keyboard).
i have a new compact keyboard from ebay but it is not seen by plan9, and not
listed in usb/probe; though it does work with MacOS
Hi all,
I am playing with cfs(4). It works nicely dialing to my fileserver but
fails if I try to use the existing /srv/boot channel.
failed with /srv/boot:
sceolan% 5.out -d -n -F /srv/boot -f $cfs -S /n/cache
<-client: Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
->se
maybe i have missed something but i don’t think u9fs changed much.
i added a fix, years ago, adding frogs for some of the weird stuff osx does to
filenames.
in my world it has been completely replaced by sshfs.
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does the pi3 b+ support 5ghz wifi?
i have a feeling it doesn’t but i cannot find a message in 8fans passim which
states one way of the other,
i understand it will probably be no quicker but i am seeing miserable
performance from wifi at the moment which i am fairly sure is due to my
neigh
someone at the land (peter bosch?) dis a haupage video capture card.
i am pretty sure i have a copy of the driver and user level app somewhere.
this worked on an old pci card i had at one time.
-Steve
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Anthony Sorace write
there was a native plan9 dis interpreter that would run simple command line
applications. on Andrey’s website i think.
-Steve
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> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, at 7:16 AM, cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org wro
hi,
anyone any ideas how to inform tbl that i am using wide paper - well A4
landscape.
i have tried .pl and the LL number register which tells the ms macros but tbl
does’t appear to pick up this info.
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FWIW I recently extracted ssh/sshfs/libsec from 9front and applied them to
richard miller's raspberry pi image.
This was not too hard but the changes did extend further than I first expected.
I could braindump what I did and it would form (I think) a very useful diff.
Richard millers image is not
> How do we get involved in or become a member of the foundation?
I too am interested in supporting plan9 in any form I can.
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I don't believe a 68000 compiler was ever released by the labs but there
may have been one - some blit terminals had 68000s (and maybe gnots?) so
its plausable.
There was a port of the plan9 compilers to the VAX but I think its
sourcecode was lost (jmk found an executable some years).
-Steve
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the senerio - i have a plan9 terminal, a mac laptop. the laptop connects to a
vpn.
i write in go, and thus far i use sshfs to mount the mac’s filesystem and edit
my code. i build and run the code on the mac.
i thought i could use git9 via sshnet to work natively on plan9
most of this is f
thanks all for the suggestions.
digging through the source of sshnet.c and the go net library i think i
understand.
the plan9 runtime library assumes, and insists the string returned from /net/cs
contains a valid ip address.
the code in sshnet which serves a /net/cs does a local ndb lookup, a
Hi all,
Anyone made any progress writing a wrapper script, like djc's /rc/bin/git,
for ori's git9?
It may seem peverse to replicate Linus's interface (which I don't like),
but the go compiler suite expects this interface, so rather than trying to
hack go this seems the path of least resistance.
FWIW I wrote an embedded system on a small SOC arm (Atmel sam4e) a couple of
years ago (this is a 128Kbyte/100Mhz class machine). I ported Russ's libtask
to it. I extended it a bit with a command line interface for debug and
added timeouts but I ended up with a delightful development environment,
hi
is there an email address to contact p9f directly?
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I am running a PI4 as my file/auth/cpu server.
I planned to use an external ssd on a usb3 but this has stalled
as I cannot get the 9front xhci driver to work in richard's kernel.
It is probably not a big issue, and works fine (abet slowly) over USB2.
until last year I still had a dual Atom machin
hi Brian,
pi4 ether worked out of the box for me with richards kernel, i am running a
kernel from Christmas.
sadly i have had problems with usb3 which is on my todo list - usb2 devices
work fine as do usb3 devices in usb2 sockets.
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I do think I build the backend of sam on MSDOS back in the day,
it was most probably the 1st edition plan9 code which was released
as a seperate package (with X11 libraries). (still kicking around
on netlib: http://www.netlib.org/research/)
It require some porting effort but I am pretty sure I di
I must appologise, though I sent a reply at the time, an out of date x509
certificate meant the email never reached my ISP.
What I tried to say was...
> I wonder if the abaco problem you are seeing is the global move to
> stronger TLS algorithms. I have backported libcrypt from 9front which
> wa
I think there where two reported issues with fossil.
On was a bug in ephermerial shapshots which could cause it to crash,
this was fixed about 10 years ago but did exist for an embarassingly long time.
The other was a design decision rather than a bug which was not well
communicated. Fossil was d
my cpu for windows was always incomplete, but good enough that i never finished
it properly.
for posix i just use sftpfs or now cinap’s sshftp to import the filesystem from
the posix box as /n/fred and run sam locally (i am a samista rather than an
acmeite)
i cannot run stuff remotely but i
i wrote a cpu like client/server for windows (called dos).
my code and test environment lived on a microsoft smb server. i ran cifs(1) to
get access to this from plan9 and sam.
dos(1) allowed me to start an rc(1) running on win32 in the same directory as
my current directory on plan9. it als
hi,
i suspect rob or ken would be the ones to ask, maybe something to do with some
private flight planning or astronomy tool?
-Steve
On 27 Jul 2021, at 7:13 pm, Dan Cross wrote:
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 1:53 PM Anthony Sorace wrote:
> There are a few other things which also use that file (
hi
i am afraid there are long standing issues in nfs(4). i had problems years ago
using it to read image files from a pluto video disk store.
from memory the issue was when doing a directory scan of the pluto it would
take so long nfs(4) would timeout, and this was not gracefully handled proper
if the second raspberry pi is *not* running plan9 sshnet allows you to use its
network interfaces (via ssh) for tcp connections.
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I wrote a bit of lex to extract features from c code. being lex it is
incomplete to say the least but i found it good enough.
my code used to run every night passed a list of files to parse, and wrote an
idenifier, comment, function, #define etc database (2 text files) which i could
grep thro
i will bite
i tried and faild to get cinap’s historic synergy client to work with a current
synergy server on windows/linux/osx etc.
the biggest pain is the wireshark disector is buggy and there is no real
documentation for the protocol.
not really selling it am i?
-Steve
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i was going to mention barrier but couldn’t remember it’s name. as far as the
plan9 code goes they should both work - the only difference being the initial
handshake message.
current synergy supports many new features but plan9 is not interested.
the problem is really the lack of documentatio
mouse sharing is not end, there is also cut and paste integration - relatively
easy but not to be forgotten.
i think you could also play some fun tricks with drag and drop on other os’s
passing a (modified) path to the plumber (/n/remote-host/file-path).
finally plumbing a url on plan9 could
pretty much the only major change to sam since 87 was (i believe) the
migration from ASCII (on Unix v10 and p9 Ed1) to utf-8.
if you are not seeing unicode characters it is most probably because you don’t
have a font with the appropriate glyphs.
-Steve
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i would use ,|spell which replaces the current window with sam’s output, then,
having taken note of the errors, type u to undo and fix the mistakes.
this is just personal choice of course.
-Steve
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thought experiment:
imagine someone was commenting on the 9front mailing list how 9front was not
worth bothering with and how the OP should use OSX. that would make the 9front
people a little frustrated.
> i don't know what aspect exactly of
> "classic" computing motivates you
> to recommend
li looks like you are not running ndb/dns.
you need to start this before webfs, and then start abaco after that.
sadly the web has moved on a but since abaco was written - it used to render
most pages quite well. These days its lack of javascript is more and more of a
problem.
-Steve
On 17 J
you need
ip/ipconfig
ndb/cs
ndb/dns
webfs
abaco
the ipconfig call may need a -R if you want to use dhcp rather than having a
static ip from ndb.
nsd/cs will set the sysname based on matching the mac address in lib/ndb/local,
and this will be put in your prompt of any shell. this is nice but not
i suggest first you check your facts carefully before publicly accusing anyone
of anything.
throwing unchecked accusations around is a good way to start an angry mob, and
we all know how inclusive those tend to be.
-Steve
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I am a long term sam user and a three button mouse, but I also like the ease of
navigation of a scroll wheel.
I use a Beatus mouse - three real buttons and a scroll wheel on the side for
your thumb.
Sadly they are only made right handed and they are a little small for my hand
but they are still
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good grief people.
Someone doesn’t like GPLs, can we not just accept this and not tell them they
are wrong.
And if they wish not to release the source for their work, again that is their
decision.
its one thing to point out the (possibly) unseen side effects of these
decisions but lets just l
my spelling is so dreadful that i need more help than just spell.
i wrote suggest(1) which tries to guess what i meant to write:
http://www.quintile.net/pkg/suggest.tbz
this runs on vanilla plan9 so may need a little tweak for p9p.
i got hold of an OED cdrom and managed to build dict for that -
i am the author of cifs.
i may have some slightly more recent fixes than 9 front has, i will check.
the manual page does explain some registry settings you may need to tweak to
get it to work - to do with windows getting more and more restrictive about the
authentication protocols it supports.
ntohl in libc?
say its not so?
-Steve
> On 13 May 2022, at 10:23 pm, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
>
> Quoth adr :
>> so I imagined that some functions
>> or macros could be defined already somewhere.
>
> They exist in fcall.h -- see GBIT/PBIT macros.
>
> I wouldn't object mych to putting them i
for performance testing why not copy from ramfs on one machine to ramfs on
another?
the suggestion from a 9con passim was to have fossil/cwfs/hjfs etc add a Qid
type flag to files indicating they are from backing store (QTSTABLE ?)and thus
may be copied in parallel. devices and synthetic would
the native plan9 c environment is similar to ansi c but has some differences,
mainly to the standard libraries.
plan9 also has an ansi/posix environment which is aimed at making it easier to
port foreign code.
to use ape, use the pcc command.
there is a fairly complete command line enviroment
apologies for completely missing the point,
note to self: coffee first, then reply to mailing lists
-Steve
> On 6 Oct 2022, at 11:21, Charles Forsyth wrote:
>
>
> If you look at plan9port (eg, https://9fans.github.io/plan9port/), you'll see
> how that's done for a good chunk of the applicati
re: p9p for windows
Sean Quinlan did a p9p-line port for windows called 9pm, It was seen (it seems)
as a port of sam with some simple command line tools
rather than a complete plan9 toolkit. its available here:
https://netlib.org/research/ as sam.exe
There was an attempt at a p9p for windows b
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> On 27 Nov 2022, at 16:30, Steven Stallion wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Some time ago (history(1) claims late 2015) I wrote a small network
> client for collectd to send system statistics to a remote server for
> visualization. It's worked well over the years and ove
i think you may not have created your mailbox. every user needs to create their own mailbox with “mail -c”.cron similarly with cron -cthis is usually done by the script /sys/lib/newuser which also creates your $home/lib/profile and some other bits.this needs to be done only once per user.-SteveOn 1
seconded, excellent work all.
i would like to buy the proceedings if they are going to be available as a
bound volume.
-Steve
> On 14 Mar 2023, at 4:52 am, Lucio De Re wrote:
>
> Too far for me to travel, but there is a lot in the list I will be
> extremely sorry to miss.
>
> Well done to
was this hard to reproduce?i have not seen fossil deadlocking and have used it since i installed my first home server in 2004.there definitely _was_ a problem in the snapshot code which was finally resolved around 2015 (roughly), i think perhaps skip, or forsyth found it - i apologise if i have the
not quite sure i understand what you are asking, but perhaps ns(1) will show you what you want.-SteveOn 7 Jul 2023, at 6:59 pm, Conor Williams wrote:hello 9fannors...i wish to find the device? which the p9 iso file is mounted from...(a vm boot (i dont think that matters though...)e.g c drive is /
9660srv - it mounts an iso as 9p file server in /srv/9660, so you need to do a mount(1) to actually see the contents.-SteveOn 7 Jul 2023, at 7:20 pm, Conor Williams wrote:ok... thank you Steve, well in...that particular train of thought leads me to another question...has you r a'yone an iso.expan
are you running the tftp server?
> On 17 Jul 2023, at 4:38 pm, Marco Feichtinger wrote:
>
> I have a standalone file server, and a separate standalone auth server.
>
> I tried to pxe boot a cpu server.
> It gets the /386/9boot to load fine, but then it seems, that it can’t
> retrieve the fil
if fossil and venti are started at boot then the plan9.ini variable venti= is
all thats needed.
if you want to start them after boot, booting from another filesystem then the
-v option to fossil is what you are after.
i wrote a hand-holding doc about rebuilding a venti/fossil years ago:
https:
> Plan 9 first edition came out in 1992, at a time when multicore didn't exist,
> and multicore was released with IBM's Power 4 in 2001.
possibly true but multi-cpu boxes where becoming quite popular in the late
1980s and these have very similar kernel design challenges to multicore
architectu
there was a vax compiler and i think a vax kenfs implementation, i don’t know
if there was a vax cpu/auth kernel. quite possibly not.
currently i can only find my own post on tuhs confirming the vax was a dead
end. but i am sure jmk told me he found a vax compiler binary in the labs dump.
i t
trycat /dev/kmesgorcat /dev/kprintOn 31 Aug 2023, at 4:44 pm, dusan3...@gmail.com wrote:
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hi don,
yes it it. 9 legacy is the replacement for the labs sources repository in real
terms.
it is courteous to cross publish patch descriptions to 9front of course.
sadly i have become all but inactive on plan9 these days, but hope i might get
back to it.
-Steve
> On 4 Sep 2023, at 3:34 a
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A larger block size as lucio says, and also try two dd's with a pipe between
them,
one reading and one writing. dd(1) is single threaded but you have two
asynchronous physical devices.
I have had good success copying sd-cards using fcp - rsc's multithreaded cp,
already in the distribution,
th
re: VCS -vs-dump
I always planned to add code to fossil to allow members of (say) the 'dump'
group to trigger fa fossil to venti dump at arbitrary times.
If with this it would be trivial to have a 'release' rc script which could save
a log message and trigger a dump.
I know this is not really a
coraid has an interesting history.How Silicon Valley can kill your business, by a man scolded by the machineinformation-age.comBrantley now has the Coraid name back too and is using plan9 to this day.-SteveOn 14 May 2024, at 5:39 pm, arn...@skeeve.com wrote:"B. Atticus Grobe" wrote:As for compani
Just a little first hand experience - I have run a fossil and venti server for
twenty years now.
Fossil suffered three problems in my opinion:
Firstly it was not well publicised that fossil was never designed to cope with
overflow; the sad truth is it fails catastrophically, as whitenessed by
t; On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 12:08 AM Steve Simon wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just a little first hand experience - I have run a fossil and venti server
>> for twenty years now.
>>
>> Fossil suffered three problems in my opinion:
>>
>> Firstly it was not well pu
i got very suspicious at the mention of a procinfo syscall - unlikely in plan9,
and i couldn't imagine a use for such a thing given we have /proc already.
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i can only speak from experience, but i have had fossil and venti running on a
single ssd (on a radpberry pi) for 5 years now - no rotating discs left at home.
i have mtime changes and ephemeral snapshots turned off to reduce the update
rate. i chose a sandisk card, and take backups just in cas
I am fairly sure the libxml in 9front was from me.
My last code is at http://www.quintile.net/magic/webls?dir=/quintile.net
I packaged them as libxml.tbz and xml.cmds.tbz
It contains an (optional) string heap as I wrote this code for 16bit embedded
systems with limited memory.
There is also m
sorry, i meantIndex of /quintile.net/pkgquintile.net-SteveOn 25 Jul 2024, at 7:11 pm, Steve simon wrote:I am fairly sure the libxml in 9front was from me.My last code is at http://www.quintile.net/magic/webls?dir=/quintile.netI packaged them as libxml.tbz and xml.cmds.tbzIt contains an (optional
yes, sorry 9atom not 9front.
i am happy for you to use the same license :-)
-Steve
> On 25 Jul 2024, at 9:26 pm, sirjofri wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> 25.07.2024 20:12:03 Steve simon :
>> I am fairly sure the libxml in 9front was from me.
>
> I guess you mean 9atom
I believe 9atom was a private project of Erik Quanstrom‘s - separate to his day job at Coraid, though id did include some little bits of coraid’s technology.I don’t believe it has been updated since everything changed there - the story here for those who have not seen it:How Silicon Valley can kill
gosh, a lot of vitriol on this subject.
i suggest contacting Geoff Collier off-list, who i suspect wrote the code.
I am pretty sure he is the author the set of efficient blueray backup and
restore scripts for venti to support the Dutch team under Sape.
The venti mirroring scripts probably date
fwiw. i am pretty sure there was a plan9 raspberry pi spi driver, though this was for richard millers package - it may not (yet) be ported to 9front.i cannot remember if it was Richard's code or someone else's. check the 9fans archives -generally a good idea for any plan9 related questions.-SteveOn
zero doesn't
> come with an rj45 jack, so is this some add-on card to provide
> ethernet?
>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:27 AM Steve Simon wrote:
>>
>> fwiw. i am pretty sure there was a plan9 raspberry pi spi driver, though
>> this was for richard millers
can you give some examples of where this new api would be used?
nemo added a readfile and (i think) writefile message in his fork. that was
aimed at transferring large sequential files from a fileserver.
there was also many discussions of doing parallel or chained reads to improve
9p performa
> -T is great. But Python can't be built with it. Python explicitly
> creates functions with type signatures that don't match and this makes
> -T very unhappy.
Is there a #pragma to turn off type checking on a symbol,
somthing like #pragma incomplete?
-Steve
> ...refer(1) seems to have fallen out of favor.
Not at all, I still use it.
contrib/install steve/refer
Thanks to Forsyth for the majority of the work, I just
added a few bits and packaged it.
-Steve
> This will give you
> -3 -4
> -3 -4
> -3 -4
> I don't have a way to test what kencc does but I would be
> surprised if the result is any different
FWIW 8c gives the same answer.
-Steve
replica uses fcp which works multithreaded for speed.
Perhaps the implementation of fswrite() #Z in 9vx uses a seek()
followed by a write() rather than pwrite() which is not thread safe.
Just a guess.
-Steve
I am doing some work on webfs - if anyone has any patches
that they have generated locally but not submitted or have not
yet been accepted please send me them (off list).
Thanks
-Steve
> cpu -c 'procdata' | process
> ...
> Perhaps I'm overlooking some simple solutions here.
> Any suggestions?
cpu(1) works by starting exportfs on the remote machine and serving
the local machines filespace. The remote shell is started with its
stdin/out/err attached to /mnt/term/dev/cons, thus the
Ok, I admit its a trivial experiment but:
> fcp is still a 9p conversation. http get is a tcp stream. Fcp is
> better than cp but not that much better.
> If you're yanking one file, a TCP stream is pretty ideal. Dropping 9p
> on top of it, even when the 9p involves multiple TREADs
> in flight, is
Search 8fans passim, there was alink to one of the US universities which had
a plan9 bibtex database.
If you put one on sources, can you also convert it to refer format for those
of us who are still troff luddites.
-Steve
> on Plan 9 you'd probably want to make a wrapper for grep anyway if you
> do a lot of recursive searching.
Or just apply runs grep -r patch...
-Steve
> > Or just apply runs grep -r patch...
> % man 1 grep | grep '\-r'
s/runs/ron's/
see 9fans passim for the patch.
-Steve
> > cd /sys/man; mk indices
>
> ty but mk fails with:
> mkindex: '/bin/mkindex' file does not exist
Works here on native plan9.
perhaps you are using 9vx? This installs only
a subset of the plan9 distribution initially.
-Steve
It did work for me some years ago,
however I no longer have a parallel printer, sorry.
-Steve
> snaptime –a –s 15
I would not reccomend -s 15 for now, there appears to be a bug in fossil
where it can deadlock itself somtimes - My home server used to lock up
once every few weeks, after disabling snapshots it has been fine.
I do still do nightly dumps to venti however, that part of the
Is this an authentication problem?
are you running authentication?
These might give you a hint as to why you don't have permission:
% ls -ld /cfg
% echo $user
% grep $user /adm/users
-Steve
see arg(2) for all the details.
-- indicates the end of any options, it ensures that any following
arguments which happen to begin with a minus are not interpreted
as options.
consider the classic question: "how do I remove a file called -z"
-Steve
I don't beleive greps manual page says it writes its output to file descriptor 1
and reaqds from file descriptor zero but it does, as do all conventional (sic)
plan9 programs. Similarly they all use arg(2) to parse their args so they will
all support --; however if you are unsure you could look at
re: when users leave
I think the labs policy was to change the name of the user from
frank:frank
to
was-frank:frank
the first name is what is used by auth and is reported by dirstat()
the seccond name is what is held on the disk (ken fs uses integers here).
Beware: this is from
> It seems like windows console
> programs work with screen buffers, something like using curses.
This is the case for a few windows commands but many, even the majority don't
use windows console functions, they just read from stdin and writ to stdout
so you can run then via a pipe.
I do this all
> almost no unix programs (other than find)
> bother with mount points.
Ok, only because it was in my final year exams, I know of one more
pwd needs to understand mount points (or did in v7) so it can step
over them - no doubt ther is a getwd() system call these days,
darn'ed new fangled things.
> But you can do at least as good as these forms of ID. PKI requires
> knowledge of some sort of passkey. (I just worry about identification
> for people who are not smart enough to pick a good key. Which,
> unfortunately, is also most people.
My understanding is a passkey just needs sufficent ent
> Many banks still use 4 digit PINs on their ATM cards, without problem.
> Possession is a very important factor.
well, posscession and the fact that you only get three attempts to enter
the PIN (in the UK at least), so brute force attacks are a non-starter,
so limited kyspace is much less of a p
On Tue Jun 29 22:04:19 BST 2010, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
> Can someone remind me of the problem? Is it simply the need to be able
> to set %gs?
>
> Could a write to /dev/arch of something like
> gs 0xwhatever
> which sets %gs for that process solve the problem?
>
> Or is it bigger than that?
>
> ; pwd
> /arm/bin
> ; cpu -h minooka.coraid.com
> bind: exec header invalid
> bind: exec header invalid
I added this to my profile:
path=(/bin .)
though I did it mainly for performance:
9fs distant-machine
cd /n/distant-machine
ls
Sorry, this one was my bad. I tested it on ebver machine I had to
hand and had no problems.
I'am sure geoff will roll it back - he had concerns but I was confident,
oh well.
-Steve
> smbnegotiate: 'NT LM 0.12'
> smbnegotiate: couldn't get mschap challenge
> reply: error 2/1
Re: aquarela
I don't use aquarela these days, but I think the problem is
to do with aquarela being unable to contact keyfs.
aquarela must be started on your server after keyfs, I run it
on my work termi
I have some changes/fixes/extensions to webfs which I haven't documented
for a patch yet, but if you want to use it in anger I can send you my current
code.
-Steve
> any suggestions for modern, small, quiet, and call
> hardware for a Plan 9 auth server.
I believe the sheevaplug is out as we have no nand flash driver,
some people on here use sorkris boards which have IDE interfaces.
there are also IDE to compact flash adapters which completely remove
the nee
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