Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread faif
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:17:28 AM UTC+1, Bence Fábián wrote: > http://ftp.quanstro.net/other/9atom2.iso.bz2 > > > > you mean ;) > > > > > 2013/1/3 erik quanstrom > > i have a test image of a new and hopefully improved 9atom @ > >         http://www.quanstro.net/other/9atom2.iso.bz2.

[9fans] tbl fail

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
tbl's calculation for how many columns it can handle is wrong. sizeof(nregs) = nelem(nregs)*sizeof(char*). it appears that tbl is assuming *2-byte pointers*! huzzah! - erik /n/dump/2013/0104/sys/src/cmd/tbl/tr.c:20,26 - tr.c:20,26 char * reg(int col, int place) { - if (sizeof(nregs

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> Is that targeting Intel Atom CPUs? I have an EEEPC sitting so that's > a good chance to start using Plan9 in a real environment (non VM). > The fact that go is provided is tempting :) originally, the goal was to get atom machines working. that goal was largely met, so the name is somewhat of a

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:19 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Is that targeting Intel Atom CPUs? I have an EEEPC sitting so that's >> a good chance to start using Plan9 in a real environment (non VM). >> The fact that go is provided is tempting :) > > originally, the goal was to get atom machines work

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Richard Miller
> originally, the goal was to get atom machines working. It should be pointed out that the standard Plan 9 distribution also works on atom processors. It's not the atom cpu itself, but other details of chipset and peripheral interfaces, which determines which kernel variant will run on a given mo

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
Downloading from quanstro.net is extremely slow and I was never able to fully complete the download. -- Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rox 64 wrote: > Hu guys. > Will Plan 9/9atom/9front run on a EEE 1005HA? I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive. There exist bootable images for USB sticks which contain a f

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:26 AM, John Floren wrote: > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rox 64 wrote: >> Hu guys. >> Will Plan 9/9atom/9front run on a EEE 1005HA? > > I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be > getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive.

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Jan 4 11:36:45 EST 2013, ara...@mgk.ro wrote: > Downloading from quanstro.net is extremely slow and I was never able > to fully complete the download. it's only a 384kbps line. ftp has some odd issue that is not obvious from the code, but http download should work fine. i'll also try to f

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Jan 4 11:35:03 EST 2013, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: > > originally, the goal was to get atom machines working. > > It should be pointed out that the standard Plan 9 distribution > also works on atom processors. It's not the atom cpu itself, > but other details of chipset and peripheral int

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread David du Colombier
> Downloading from quanstro.net is extremely slow and I was never able > to fully complete the download. A mirror is available on http://mirror.9grid.fr/ -- David du Colombier

[9fans] dnsdebug crash

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
another crash found: on some architectures, it will crash in procsetname() due to req.from being uninitialized. - erik /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/ndb/dnsdebug.c:323,328 - dnsdebug.c:315,321 l = &(*l)->next; continue; } +

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread David du Colombier
> There exist bootable images for USB sticks which contain a full fossil > filesystem; you can start the installation from there. A Plan 9 USB image with Fossil file system is available here: http://www.9legacy.org/download/plan9-usb.img.bz2 It contains the full file system from the Plan 9 CD im

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Richard Miller
> It contains the full file system from the Plan 9 CD image, > unmodified, except a single line change in the kernel binary. I can't contain my curiosity: what's the line? I once worked with a colleague who had a superstition that any one-line change to production software was almost certain to i

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread David du Colombier
> I can't contain my curiosity: what's the line? > > I once worked with a colleague who had a superstition that any > one-line change to production software was almost certain to > introduce a bug. (Actually what he said was "one-card change", > which indicates how long ago this was.) If he had

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Jack Johnson
On Jan 4, 2013 10:07 AM, "Richard Miller" <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > > It contains the full file system from the Plan 9 CD image, > > unmodified, except a single line change in the kernel binary. > > I can't contain my curiosity: what's the line? > > I once worked with a colleague who had a su

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> It's funny, if you were correcting someone else's bug unknowingly > introduced by a one-line change your fix could justifiably be one line, but > then you would think the odds of it reoccurring in the future would be > non-zero, and you might as well add a comment for future fumblers. :) insurin

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> Surprisingly, I have another version of this patch > which should convince your former colleague :-) > > http://www.9legacy.org/9legacy/patch/pc-sdata-dma.diff @@ -455,6 +455,8 @@ and .I slot to use as a root device for bootstrapping. +.SS \fL*nodma=\fP +Disable DMA on (S)ATA controllers. i

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Rox 64
> > I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be > getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive. There > exist bootable images for USB sticks which contain a full fossil > filesystem; you can start the installation from there. In fact, I had > made a 32-bit

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Matthew Veety
On Jan 4, 2013, at 14:50, Rox 64 wrote: >> I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be >> getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive. There >> exist bootable images for USB sticks which contain a full fossil >> filesystem; you can start the installati

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread David du Colombier
> it's a pretty consistent mistake in plan 9 (and elsewhere) > that ide is confused with ata or sata. these the are all > on different levels. "Disable DMA on IDE controllers." Fixed. Thanks for the reminder. -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> >> I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be > >> getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive. There > >> exist bootable images for USB sticks which contain a full fossil > >> filesystem; you can start the installation from there. In fact, I had > >> m

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Bakul Shah
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:44:43 EST erik quanstrom wrote: > > it's a pretty consistent mistake in plan 9 (and elsewhere)=20 > that ide is confused with ata or sata. these the are all > on different levels. "Disable DMA on IDE controllers." > > ide device register set (analogue FIS) > sata on-t

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Rox 64
Yeah, my error was to assume I needed to make an special filesystem to boot and install Plan 9 from a USB device... Nevermind. Thank you for the help guys, I'm going to try David's build. Wish me luck!

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> Wikipedia says: > > The terms "integrated drive electronics" (IDE), "enhanced > IDE" and "EIDE" have come to be used interchangeably with > ATA (now Parallel ATA, or PATA). i don't think so. these are the last set of ata8 docs i downloaded from incits. there's no parallel spec at

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Matthew Veety
On Jan 4, 2013, at 15:24, erik quanstrom wrote: I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive. There exist bootable images for USB sticks which contain a full fossil filesystem; you can star

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Bakul Shah
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 15:36:06 EST erik quanstrom wrote: > > This matches my understanding. Recall that IDE was essentially > > ST-506 with all the analog bits done on the drive itself > > (hence the name Integrated Drive Electronics). > > just because it once was, so it shall always be? somehow >

Re: [9fans] Mercurial and Plan 9

2013-01-04 Thread Jeff Sickel
Has anyone completed an APE lib sec yet? I'm starting to roll an ape build of libsec in as it's needed for a new Python 2.7.3+ port of Python. I'd gladly take someone else's mkfile rework to save some time. Libsec is needed to implement a new _hashlib module, one that doesn't require OpenSSL amo

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread David du Colombier
> Thank you for the help guys, I'm going to try David's build. > Wish me luck! By the way, I have just uploaded a new USB image, based on the latest Plan 9 CD image (2013-01-03). -- David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] Mercurial and Plan 9

2013-01-04 Thread Steven Stallion
Hi Jeff, Mercurial has been taken care of! I more or less track the latest stable (stallion/mercurial). The existing Python port is sufficient for Mercurial, though having a native Python port would be great. I've added Plan 9 support upstream in the Mercurial repository, so future builds are very

Re: [9fans] Mercurial and Plan 9

2013-01-04 Thread Charles Forsyth
The first Python port aimed at a so-called "native" port but as I worked on it to import a newer version of Python, it became clear that Python's standard libraries, certainly as used by most Python applications, are so closely bound up with POSIX interfaces (eg, the exact components of the stat st

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 15:36:06 EST erik quanstrom wrote: > > > This matches my understanding. Recall that IDE was essentially > > > ST-506 with all the analog bits done on the drive itself > > > (hence the name Integrated Drive Electronics). > > > > just because it once was, so it shall always be

Re: [9fans] Mercurial and Plan 9

2013-01-04 Thread Federico G. Benavento
Hola Steven, thanks for getting mercurial support for Plan 9 upstream, I did the APE port of python (based on the native one) years ago because nothing worked with the "native" one, I wanted to get X running then it needed openssl or some socket api that wasn't implemented in the Plan 9 emulation