Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-14 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/14 Tim Newsham : >> However, I still think this is worthwhile just to provide (a) a >> standard interface for audio devices (e.g., /dev/audioctl always >> accepts the same messages to set volume, input levels, etc), and (b) >> to have a single kernel support more than one type of audio devic

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-14 Thread Tim Newsham
However, I still think this is worthwhile just to provide (a) a standard interface for audio devices (e.g., /dev/audioctl always accepts the same messages to set volume, input levels, etc), and (b) to have a single kernel support more than one type of audio device (imagine a network where you actu

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-14 Thread Dan Cross
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:01 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > there are other sound models, it would be nice to design ac97's > interface in such a way that it can work with other sound models. Years ago, I suggested building a generic audio layer into the kernel and plugging specific devices into that

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-14 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/14 erik quanstrom : > On Tue Jul 14 02:41:02 EDT 2009, sqw...@gmail.com wrote: >>  I suspect the main inhibitor there is that (as I recall) it stomps >> all over the existing soundblaster code. These days AC97 is probably >> more desirable, but it would be nice to have them coexist. > > that

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-14 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Jul 14 02:41:02 EDT 2009, sqw...@gmail.com wrote: > I suspect the main inhibitor there is that (as I recall) it stomps > all over the existing soundblaster code. These days AC97 is probably > more desirable, but it would be nice to have them coexist. that's going to require thinking out ho

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-14 Thread markus
one bug is in ac97write. there's a memmove into user memory with an ilock held. that's a no-no, since you could take a page fault. you can get a better handle on which qlock is causing the problem by converting the address given on the console to the qlock in question. - erik hi, thanks

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-13 Thread sqweek
I suspect the main inhibitor there is that (as I recall) it stomps all over the existing soundblaster code. These days AC97 is probably more desirable, but it would be nice to have them coexist. -sqweek 2009/7/13 Bela Valek : > Hi Everybody, > > This AC97 driver seems to be around for awhile alre

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-13 Thread Bela Valek
Hi Everybody, This AC97 driver seems to be around for awhile already. Why don't you just include it in the distribution? I suggest to fix the problem you guys found, compile the kernel with it, and add it to the default install CD image. Béla

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-13 Thread erik quanstrom
> ac97 works fine for me, on 3 different machines. > just to say it here. i put this driver to my contrib, > but aki is the author! is just added some lines of code. > > but there seem to be a bug, when used with juke(7). > i get ton's of these messages when i play the first > song > > qlock: 0xf

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-13 Thread Markus Sonderegger
ac97 works fine for me, on 3 different machines. just to say it here. i put this driver to my contrib, but aki is the author! is just added some lines of code. but there seem to be a bug, when used with juke(7). i get ton's of these messages when i play the first song qlock: 0xf018d159: ilockdep

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-13 Thread sqweek
IWP-Bondi! >> -sqweek >> >> 2009/7/11  : >>> usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. >>> >>> -- >>> cinap >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: j...@csplan9.rit.edu >>>

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-12 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Andreas Eriksen wrote: > There is a list of tested usb sound cards at > http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html > Beware, some of the ones working before might not work now (All I tested work, but who knows), and some that did no

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-11 Thread cinap_lenrek
-- > From: j...@csplan9.rit.edu > To: 9f...@9fans.net > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:01:35 -0400 > Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS >> had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to >> compile (without mmx/sse) and play on lin

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-11 Thread Uriel
gt; -- Forwarded message -- >> From: j...@csplan9.rit.edu >> To: 9f...@9fans.net >> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:01:35 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS >>> had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-11 Thread sqweek
9 18:01:35 -0400 > Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS >> had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to >> compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 >> ghz via machine. >> >> -- >> cinap &g

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-11 Thread Lorenzo Bolla
Thanks all, the rudes and the polites.I'll try your suggestions. L. On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Uriel wrote: > > Google -> "list of plan 9 applications" -> click "I'm Feeling Lucky" > > The result you will get from this is most likely to be extremely > outdated and incomplete. Just saying..

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Uriel
> Google -> "list of plan 9 applications" -> click "I'm Feeling Lucky" The result you will get from this is most likely to be extremely outdated and incomplete. Just saying... uriel 2009/7/10 Andrés Domínguez : > 2009/7/10 Lorenzo Bolla : >> Hi all, >> I've just installed (with few difficulties,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Andreas Eriksen
There is a list of tested usb sound cards at http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html This could be added to the list (i have it): http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Siberia-USB-Soundcard-White/dp/B000WJCM9G/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1247264255&sr=8-9

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, wrote: > Which model of USB audio?  Is it something available on Amazon? Looks like this might be the new version of the Turtle Beach Audio Advantage: http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Advantage-Micro-Sound-Card/dp/B0002ICGDY Hopefully it works as well. -Jack --

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread cinap_lenrek
EDIROL UA-1X http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=635 needs some patching in the usbaudio driver because it contains a bogus descriptor i think. as i buyed some time ago it it worked out of the box with plan9. -- cinap --- Begin Message --- > usb audio... havnt tried it

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread john
> usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. > > -- > cinap Which model of USB audio? Is it something available on Amazon? I have a T22 laptop that I use for Plan 9 sometimes, and I believe that has ac97, but like you I haven't tried it. Also, I use other Plan 9 machines which could

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread cinap_lenrek
usb audio... havnt tried it with ac97 on my t23 yet. -- cinap --- Begin Message --- > had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to > compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 > ghz via machine. > > -- > cinap Whare are you using

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Jason Catena
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Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread john
> had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to > compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 > ghz via machine. > > -- > cinap Whare are you using for an audio device on Plan 9? The AC97 driver? Or did you buy a USB audio thing?

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread cinap_lenrek
had no success with mplayer yet because of lacking mmx support. got ffmpeg to compile (without mmx/sse) and play on linuxemu, but it was too slow on my 1 ghz via machine. -- cinap --- Begin Message --- On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:05:13 +0100 Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > Hi all, > I've just installed (with

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > 2009/7/10 J.R. Mauro : >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, wrote: >>> >>> I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being >>> polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. >> >> You could filter instead of bitc

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Devon H. O'Dell
2009/7/10 J.R. Mauro : > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, wrote: >> >> I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being >> polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. > > You could filter instead of bitching and contributing to the noise. Spoken like a true hypocrit

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, wrote: > > I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being > polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. You could filter instead of bitching and contributing to the noise. > > Even Ghandi would have eventually gotten sick of peopl

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Don Bailey
"And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me." On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Noah Evans wrote: > Heh.. go ahead. > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Joseph Stewart > wrote: > > Th

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Noah Evans
Heh.. go ahead. On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Joseph Stewart wrote: > Thanks for saying what I didn't have the words to say. May I quote you > forever? > -joe > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Noah Evans wrote: >> >> There's nothing wrong with being new.   There's nothing wrong with being >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Don Bailey
Didn't your mother tell you saying nothing is better than saying something rude? :-) I've learned this new thing in the past few years. It's hard, I know...

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread john
> Apologies, the up-to-date linuxemu is in cinap's contrib: > /n/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3/ > and > /n/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/linuxemu3.tgz > Having just set up Linuxemu, a quick note: The distributed root filesystem is rather old; it uses the sarge distribution of debian. It'

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread john
I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives. Even Ghandi would have eventually gotten sick of people asking, "So, hey, what's up with this thing you're doing here, and how are the British involved?" Resuming operation

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:25:55 +0100 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:05:13 +0100 > Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on > > my Dell Inspiron laptop. > > I played with it and I'd really like to study i

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread hiro
Plan9 is more like a programming platform, some call it a research OS. How did you get interested in this?

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Joseph Stewart
Thanks for saying what I didn't have the words to say. May I quote you forever? -joe On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Noah Evans wrote: > There's nothing wrong with being new. There's nothing wrong with being > polite either. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:52 PM, John Flor

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:52:38 -0700 John Floren wrote: > At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever > doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing > and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because > people are only willing to spend ju

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > Is anyone using it for such things? Some of us either do different things day-to-day or have found workarounds or alternatives to the way people usually enjoy the Internet and their attached computers. Without (or until) a change of mindset,

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Don Bailey
Noah++

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Andrés Domínguez
2009/7/10 Lorenzo Bolla : > Hi all, > I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on > my Dell Inspiron laptop. > I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice stuff > you can

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:05:13 +0100 Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > Hi all, > I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on > my Dell Inspiron laptop. > I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. > Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Noah Evans
There's nothing wrong with being new. There's nothing wrong with being polite either. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:52 PM, John Floren wrote: At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing an

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread John Floren
At least once a month it happens. We can't escape. We're forever doomed to get a "Can I use Plan 9 as my desktop OS for web browsing and watching movies and stuff?" thread every couple weeks, because people are only willing to spend jst enough effort to find the Plan 9 web page and subscribe to

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread maht
Lorenzo Bolla wrote: Hi all, I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on my Dell Inspiron laptop. I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice stuff you can do with a co

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread André Günther
there's a thing called mailing list archives. and you know..heh..there's this funny thing..dunno, it's called google or something. what you do is: type some words and then hit return...and wooha it searches like the whole web. it's magic. On Jul 10, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: H

[9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Lorenzo Bolla
Hi all, I've just installed (with few difficulties, I must admit) a fresh Plan9 on my Dell Inspiron laptop. I played with it and I'd really like to study it and get used to it. Ideally, I would like to make it my "everyday OS", to do all the nice stuff you can do with a computer (a part from work a