Re: [9fans] u9fs in go?

2020-07-12 Thread andrey mirtchovski
https://github.com/lionkov/go9p -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tea875067b53dce5f-Mddabe6c730b9fad7557e7a4a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] Jim McKie

2020-06-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Condolences to his family! We exchanged emails (just checking on each other in these strange times) just a week prior. Must've been very sudden. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td73b359f9dc68c15-M42501d4ea3b8bd05bf7e63f1 D

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

2020-04-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
unfortunately i don't remember anymore how many buttons were involved. nobody cared to take videos. i mostly used it with the stylus.. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 5:56 PM wrote: > > 3rd ed ran on the bitsy, we had one at LANL: > > > > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_on_Ipaq/index.html > > >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

2020-04-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
a lot of the games you find in the games folder were ported by me from bitblt to draw. jmk fished them out from the 2nd ed. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tca918503d5b19459-M616081e7dda041b0fb54563b Delivery options: http

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

2020-04-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
3rd ed ran on the bitsy, we had one at LANL: https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Installation_on_Ipaq/index.html t'was ok. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 3:04 PM Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > Don't forget 2ed ran on the ipaq (aka bitsy). > > How much of the UI support survived the 2ed -> 3ed rewrites I don't

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread andrey mirtchovski
i resubscribed a week ago but i don't think i'll last another week here. sp9sss is where the action's at. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T861dcd95691a032b-M311b256852d969d47a786c8c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox

Re: [9fans] talk

2019-12-02 Thread andrey mirtchovski
if you think you can hide in the canadian rockies you're sorely mistaken. the 9fans are everywhere :P On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:06 PM wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m3GuoaxRNM > > crap, I've been discovered. > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https:

[9fans] talk

2019-11-29 Thread andrey mirtchovski
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[9fans] Re: FOIA request?

2019-11-24 Thread mirtchovski
As far as I know Plan 9 was never used on the "other side of the fence" (i.e., in secret) at los alamos. It was always a research and exploratory project, and the LANL website related to Plan 9 was maintained by volunteers. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https

Re: [9fans] glendix

2014-11-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
oops, wrong address :) you all know about glendix already: it's a success! On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:43 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > http://www.glendix.org/

[9fans] glendix

2014-11-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
http://www.glendix.org/

Re: [9fans] Print Screen?

2014-11-08 Thread andrey mirtchovski
ought it was there. > > -Steve > > > >> On 8 Nov 2014, at 19:23, andrey mirtchovski wrote: >> >> topng < /dev/screen > /tmp/screenshot.png >> >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Mats Olsson wrote: >>> Hi Y'all! >>> >>> Ju

Re: [9fans] Print Screen?

2014-11-08 Thread andrey mirtchovski
topng < /dev/screen > /tmp/screenshot.png On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Mats Olsson wrote: > Hi Y'all! > > Just a simple question: Is it possible to print the screen in Plan 9? > The question just popped up and I'm not able to make some tests right > now. Haven't found any info about it. > > K

Re: [9fans] acme & mouse wheel

2014-11-07 Thread andrey mirtchovski
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mouse_scrolling/ On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Oleg wrote: > Hi. > > Does anybody known how to use mouse wheel to scroll acme window? >

Re: [9fans] Yosemite

2014-10-18 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Have you rebuilt on it? mk seems unhappy (aborting in some cases). I hadn't until now. extracted output and warnings below: $ hg pull -u pulling from https://code.google.com/p/plan9port searching for changes no changes found $ ./INSTALL + Mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/plan9port-d

Re: [9fans] Yosemite

2014-10-17 Thread andrey mirtchovski
fwiw, p9p's acme has worked fine in full screen for me on all yosemite previews and the current release. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > Just a quick note in case anyone else is wondering before updating OS X. > > My experience so far has been that drawterm-cocoa has iss

Re: [9fans] server push in 9P protocol

2014-10-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
you don't need 'push', simply always send a 'Tread' from the client when an Rread is received. the Tread will "hang" until there's data for it. this will save you from having two messages traverse right when the data is supposed to be on the line as you can send the next Tread after processing (off

Re: [9fans] someone made a glenda key...

2014-09-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Yes, of course :) I was sating it tongue in cheek. On Sep 11, 2014 8:24 AM, "Steven Stallion" wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:53 AM, andrey mirtchovski > wrote: > >> The 2nd image shows glenda on an APL keyboard (now > >> that's an unusual combination). > > > > fetishists. > > Aren't we all? > >

Re: [9fans] someone made a glenda key...

2014-09-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> The 2nd image shows glenda on an APL keyboard (now > that's an unusual combination). fetishists.

Re: [9fans] someone made a glenda key...

2014-09-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
"escape" indeed.

Re: [9fans] The developers of Plan9 think there was no point in coding in binary code three years ago as they did or make the Riga Technical University and University of Latvia?

2014-08-20 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> If my topic has been moved to another list, please give me the link of > my topic that was moved. sorry, we can't. it's secret.

Re: [9fans] Welcome to the "9fans" mailing list

2014-08-05 Thread andrey mirtchovski
>> You must know your password to change your options (including changing >> the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: >> >> 3224522 >> please change your password for this mailing list. this one is out in public. i hope you aren't reusing passwords.

Re: [9fans] simplest disk filesystem

2014-07-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
/sys/src/cmd/ramfs.c? On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Yoann Padioleau wrote: > Hi, > > What is the simplest storage filesystem in terms of code size in plan9? > I’m looking for a very simple in-kernel filesystem. Maybe older version of > plan9 > was including such a filesystem? On Linux for in

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 kernel scheduler

2014-06-23 Thread andrey mirtchovski
plan9.bell-labs.com/iwp9/Real-time.pdf On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:30 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> "Lightweight EDF Scheduling with Deadline >> Inheritance" by Jansen, S.J.Mullender et al. >> > > no. that's not it. > > .TL > Real Time in Plan 9 > .AU

Re: [9fans] possible buffer overflow in devcons.c?

2014-06-18 Thread andrey mirtchovski
used to be 3 :) "UTFmax, defined as 3 in , is the maximum number of bytes required to represent a rune." http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/2/rune

Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly?

2014-06-04 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Trousers rolled. down or up?

Re: [9fans] kernel bug

2014-06-03 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> i don't know where a history of stuff older than sources (2002) is. http://swtch.com/plan9history/

Re: [9fans] syscall 53

2014-05-19 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I suggest personal notes, flowers, and some hard liquor. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Quoting andrey mirtchovski : > >> golang-dev has more clout than 9fans nowadays, at least as it pertains to >> plan9. >> > > That's why I'm a

Re: [9fans] syscall 53

2014-05-19 Thread andrey mirtchovski
golang-dev has more clout than 9fans nowadays, at least as it pertains to plan9. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Quoting ron minnich : > >> And, again, I was not inclined to act on any of this until the >> discussion on the golang-dev list, which boiled down to: >> "if you

Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use?

2014-05-07 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Why is this stuff always so difficult? because on the internet nobody does "relax".

Re: [9fans] How to access CD drive?

2014-03-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> What has surprised me is how much I like working in plan 9, particularly > acme. I've even grown to like the way it looks including the colours. the colour palette has been specifically chosen to be easy on the eyes.

Re: [9fans] How to find or build 9pxeload?

2014-03-02 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Program_Load#IPL "1. Set the P register to 9" I like it!

Re: [9fans] Help requested. Boyd, where are you?

2014-01-12 Thread andrey mirtchovski
you can borrow the ui from here: http://mirtchovski.com/p9/sudoku/ On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM, wrote: >> I was thinking of doing a Sudoku solver >> in Plan 9. > > So, what kind of peripherals are going to be available for the UI? > > ++L > > >

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-06 Thread andrey mirtchovski
"Adjective Bird Whiskey" :)

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread andrey mirtchovski
devmnt is all that's needed to have community. somebody, somewhere, will reinvent it badly.

Re: [9fans] Alternative Plan 9 Logo

2014-01-03 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Number 9 Number 9 Number 9 Number 9 Number 9 Number 9

Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

2013-12-23 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I feel a "community code of conduct" doc forthcoming in this list's future. I'll copy/pasta the one from go-nuts, where the discussion surrounding it was very lively

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

2013-12-22 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> While you're at it; is it "9-Front" (as Andrey said above) and "9-Atom"? > So, space with "Plan 9" and dash with the other two? both 9᠎Front and 9᠎Atom use U+180E, Mongolian Vowel Separator, to stand between the digit and the letters. it is a zero-length space signifying the major departure from

Re: [9fans] 9Front network (driver?) issue

2013-12-22 Thread andrey mirtchovski
i think you should spell it 9-Front :)

Re: [9fans] 9front pegs CPU on VMware

2013-12-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
welcome to the club. now do the same thing with linux. and try to regale your experience in less than 4 blogposts :)

Re: [9fans] Acme: spaces in file names

2013-12-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
with the plumber running, issuing "B /anyfile" will open the file in acme, even if acme isn't running. this is very useful when you start scripting little tools. i think this covers everything about acme :)

Re: [9fans] P9P font server

2013-12-14 Thread andrey mirtchovski
i really don't understand what the argument is about. if all one needs is smoothed fonts on plan9 then short of exposing a fontsrv's file descriptor somewhere on the public net, we can get "fontsrv for plan9" in one easy step: $ for i in `9p ls font/Zapfino/12a`; do 9p read font/Zapfino/12a/$i >

Re: [9fans] P9P font server

2013-12-12 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I didn't do fontsrv. The closest I came to was a 9p snarf buffer that could be used to copy/paste between the host mac and a P9 VM running in Parallels or some other virt env :) http://mirtchovski.com/p9/osxsnarf/ no opinion on fontsrv for p9, but i'm using it daily in its p9p form :)

Re: [9fans] Acme: fonts

2013-12-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
see the first reply in this thread On Wednesday, December 11, 2013, Blake McBride wrote: > Okay. I build and installed fontsrv. I have it running. Now when I do: > > > 9p ls font > > it lists all the fonts on my system. One of them is "Courier". From > acme, I tried: > > Font Courier > > But

Re: [9fans] Acme: fonts

2013-12-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
try "acme -a -f /mnt/font/Menlo-Regular/12a/font" run the fontsrv command and run '9p ls font' to see what's available on your mac. On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Blake McBride wrote: > Greetings, > > I am using acme on a Mac form plan9port. > > The fonts that are used when the system comes u

Re: [9fans] music storage

2013-12-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> so here's a question: was the pirating uniform? that is, did top 100 cds > get pirated at the same rate as say the top 2 - the top 100? i would say it was uniform -- all musical tastes were covered from obscure heavy metal to django reinhardt. pre-1990 there was a glut for any good quality

Re: [9fans] music storage

2013-12-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
offtopic at this point, but anyways: I'm willing to bet that at least a few pre-1998 cds from your collection were pirated copies from the factory in Stara Zagora in Bulgaria our little "claim to fame" from that period... http://goo.gl/8odvm1

Re: [9fans] music storage

2013-12-08 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> cool man... am trying to dig up the port of Tcl I had too... I would love to > have it up on that page if you had space? that mirror is for archival purposes only. unfortunately you won't see anything past 2002 there. i suggest you put your tcl port on sources or elsewhere where modern stuff is

Re: [9fans] music storage

2013-12-08 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> i used use acd to play cd's which resided at: > > http://www.acl.lanl.gov/plan9/software/3e.html > > but it's gone... probably there somewhere after a root... let me know if you > want me to find it... it's now here, together with the rest of the remains of the LANL Plan 9 centre's web presence

Re: [9fans] Go and 21-bit runes (and a bit of Go status)

2013-12-02 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> For example, I've seen many examples of code that calls certain > functions in the syscall package and just assumes that, e.g., > Getrusage is defined everywhere. This is even present in the > new Go Performance Dashboard code (written by the Go team). not anymore. the getrusage code was split t

Re: [9fans] nile, a rio derivative

2013-10-17 Thread andrey mirtchovski
nice! i've been thinking in the past that the scroll dichotomy (some like noscroll and some don't) can be solved similarly to OSX's terminal -- if you're at the bottom of the page it scrolls down, if you're anywhere else it does not. the last line of text (the line with the prompt, or an empty lin

[9fans] i'm afraid we've had it wrong

2013-09-29 Thread andrey mirtchovski
after all these years: http://www.di.unipi.it/~nids/docs/the_plan-9_effect.html

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013-05-01 Thread andrey mirtchovski
my apologies for the tasteless comment, but IMHO making goblin GPL'ed will cause uriel to be spinning at a higher rate than desired.

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013-04-29 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Most of the code in goblin was written when go was very new, before it > became a java-like library-based tinkertoy kit. i know when it was written, i was there. go was already a java-like library-based tinkertoy kit by then.

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013-04-29 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> do you envision a system with no shell at all? I haven't thought about a system, but as I was going through a similar exercise I decided that instead of copying the code I would put on my go hat on and implement from scratch with whatever tools go gave me. Freq for example uses the standard hash

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013-04-29 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I wish the "goblin" project was used to re-imagine how the old plan9 commands may be done in a new language, rather than simply rewriting the commands almost line-for-line while introducing errors. Take a look at basename/main.go -- that functionality is already in package "path", why bother? Or cm

Re: [9fans] [GSoC] sorry for the last email

2013-04-23 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Politics... "residents and/or nationals of Iran, Syria, Cuba, Sudan, North Korea and Myanmar (Burma), with whom we are prohibited by U.S. law from engaging in commerce, are ineligible to participate" http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/help_page#4._Who_

Re: [9fans] Newbie - wassup everyone?

2013-04-20 Thread andrey mirtchovski
a vote for the status quo. keep in mind, the pastel color palette and lack of unsubtle gradient have been chosen in rio/acme/sam/etc to keep the programmer's eyes comfortable throughout the day. i subconsciously change all other backgrounds and colours on my non-plan9 desktop and terminals to mimi

Re: [9fans] [go-nuts] mercurial poisoning

2013-04-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
it's "$GOROOT/VERSION.cache". just put whatever you want in there or bind it from /tmp if you don't want to pollute the non-plan9 side of things. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Unfortunately doesn't seem to help: > > cpue% ./all.rc > # Building C bootstrap tool. > cmd/

Re: [9fans] Go Plan9 ARM Dreamplug

2013-04-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
congrats! which mercurial and python did you install? On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > After a little work, I have a Plan 9 dev environment setup. My dreamplug > boots with no problems, and after installing python and mercurial, I was > able to clone the go repo. The

Re: [9fans] Acme button 1 working like button 3

2013-04-10 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Russ and his wife had a baby, I think he's busy changing diapers (there was an announcement on golang-dev that he'll be away for a month). :)

Re: [9fans] p9p acme vs. firefox

2013-04-03 Thread andrey mirtchovski
try this (you need to have acme open, it won't be started for you): ls -l | 9p write acme/new/data aren't filesystems great? the 'opening this file will give you an fd to a new directory' trick is ridiculously elegant.

Re: [9fans] 9FRONT ANNOUNCES INTEL WIFI DRIVER, WPA/WPA2 SUPPORT

2013-04-01 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Looking forward to a backport of this to the stock Plan 9. ... and plan9port!

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 ``propaganda server'' back on line

2013-03-29 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> I challenge you to come up with a couple more, perhaps around quotes > by Plan 9 creators (a recent one by Presotto comes to mind) it's not confirmed that it was presotto.

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-25 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> In a word, elitism, largely earned rather than inherited. You did > ask! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4398842 it doesn't matter if it's real or not :)

Re: [9fans] mk and transitive dependencies (was: gcc not an option for Plan9)

2013-03-25 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> neither is a big issue in practice. but that leads me to an interesting > question, does go rebuild everything if the go compiler has changed? i think it stops at package "runtime". at least that's what it builds first when I tell it to "rebuild everything".

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Stop. Collaborate and listen.

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> The ankle biters are too numerous now. "Trolling is a art" they tell themselves.

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-23 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> If you want real programs which are bigger that I (we) actually use that will > be (much) bigger in go: > > ls, cp rm mv cat acid, I can go on. > > Small programs are useful and important. here's a representative set. the programs are identical in behaviour and arguments to the Plan 9 set. the s

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-23 Thread andrey mirtchovski
with mkfiles you can never have something like http://godoc.org. in fact, it would be very difficult to make something like godoc for any other language without major support from the authors or volunteers. what godoc.org does is amazing -- when you type in a query for something that looks like a

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-23 Thread andrey mirtchovski
this is not a new discussion, it started in november 2009. the fact that it's just coming to 9fans is a sign of how far behind the times we are :( the go runtime is ~380k. that one you must carry always even in an empty program (see below). what you're complaining about is the side-effect of impor

Re: [9fans] going too far?

2013-02-18 Thread andrey mirtchovski
>> I wonder if there's something about nemo's example >> that gets {go clean ...} wandering through all the src/cmd stuff so often. i did not receive this message (gmail to blame?), but based on this snippet I can reply that you're seeing each file referenced at least 7 times in iostats' output be

Re: [9fans] going too far?

2013-02-18 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> the go tool necessarily needs to read all source files for all > packages sorry, not all source files, just the 'import' section.

Re: [9fans] going too far?

2013-02-18 Thread andrey mirtchovski
the go tool necessarily needs to read all source files for all packages in the program's include tree to build a list of what may be outdated and needs to be recompiled. linux/osx vfs caching makes this a relatively painless operation (although it's still expensive if you flush the caches manually

Re: [9fans] Fixed golang's build.

2013-01-18 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Does anyone know who is working on the ports to Plan 9? I want to get in > touch with them. take a look at any of the codereviews that deal with plan9: https://codereview.appspot.com/7128059/ https://codereview.appspot.com/7058054/ akshat, anthony and lucio are doing most of the work.

Re: [9fans] drawterm for osx 10.8 (update)

2012-11-21 Thread andrey mirtchovski
works as expected (including the deadlock on fulscreen). a bit flickery on window swipes, but nothing i can't live without. it appears that one can enter full-screen but can't exit it? xscr/vines in benchmark mode: 39fps for the new drawterm, 43fps for the old. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:57 AM,

Re: [9fans] acme Edit bug

2012-10-02 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> or with ubiquitous tools and codepoints don't deny me the opportunity to use the only thing I remember from perl :p

Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx

2012-09-25 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> > > works with my old copy of p9p in 9term. when did p9p go broken? > > i don't know. here's what i got with mac book and normal keyboards plugged in today: http://i.imgur.com/9Jfqm.png notably, ctrl+c worked.

Re: [9fans] p9p backspace/delete in osx

2012-09-25 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> obviously not necessary when using a full-size keyboard, and there is a > real delete on those keyboards. none of these works with an rc shell. all i see is: ^[[3~ printed with each method. repeatedly as i bash the keyboard with my stubby fingers :)

Re: [9fans] It seems Plan 9 is on Hacker News

2012-08-17 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4397390 I like presotto's comment.

[9fans] cocoa devdraw (10.8)

2012-07-29 Thread andrey mirtchovski
i think my message to p9p-dev is held in moderation. if anyone here cares, here's a description of my fix for 10.8's devdraw: "It looks like win.img stopped tracking the underlying data in 10.8. The acme window starts up, displays the first image but doesn't display any following changes -- opened

Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-26 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> I liked it for the same reason I > liked those Cell processors - I'm weird. a lot of people really hated it because it killed alpha...

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 technical docs and man pages - licensed or "public domain"?

2012-07-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Btw - I clicked on the "copyright" link at the bottom, but the link is dead > - nothing but a 404 page error. that's the joke :) plan9 has been considered a dead operating system for a long time. from my (admittedly little) experience with 9p implementations, the ones done "outside" of plan9 co

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 technical docs and man pages - licensed or "public domain"?

2012-07-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> (no license required to see > that!) there is, however, a copyright link at the bottom of each man page. as your lawyer [in comedy] i advise you to click it.

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 technical docs and man pages - licensed or "public domain"?

2012-07-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
I'm not a lawyer but I play one in comedy clubs. The first implementation of 9p came about long before Plan 9 had a free (as in rms) license. Nobody got sued, nobody died, although a few bystanders were maimed. My advice as your lawyer [in comedy] would be to go nuts and do whatever you want. The

Re: [9fans] Show/edit acme snarf buffer

2012-07-12 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Thank you -- these are useful suggestions. Is there an equivalent to / > dev/snarf when using plan9port under Mac OS X? this is one outdated solution: http://mirtchovski.com/p9/osxsnarf/

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> http://mirtchovski.com/screenshots/cyberbit-erik2.png this was generated with FT_Set_Char_Size(font.face, font.size*72, font.size * 64, 72, 72); according to the documentation, the previous value of 0 defaults to the height, which is font.size*64...

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> i don't think it's a sizing thing.  i think ttf2subf is somehow getting > the baseline wrong for letters like Â.  (try cyberbit even at 14.) I don't see height issues with cyberbit (at "magic" constant of 64 even) but I am seeing width issues, especially the '0', which seems to always be chopped

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> The biggest challenge with Plan 9 fonts is getting the heights right; > often converted ttfs will have the bottom of "g" and a lot of the > non-ASCII characters cut off at either top or bottom. that's why I try to stay in the very narrow band of sizes 13 and 14 :) bdf2subf did a much better job

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> it really is a trick finding decent coverage and a good looking font. > good coverage seems to be more important as folks assume unicode. unicover.txt has a detailed description of the coverage. langcover.txt notes the languages covered. it seems to be better than what I expected. is libdraw ab

[9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
looking for more pleasing fonts I came across dejavu which are downloadable from http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Download ttf2subf deals with them relatively well in antialiased mode and relatively badly in mono mode, but the results for antialiased are good enough to share, i think: dejavusans, siz

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> I like the "or MIME" part. ;) i forgot to include a reference: http://mail.9fans.net/listinfo/9fans

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
"Don't submit messages containing flames or MIME. Content should be technical." I'm looking at all of you here!

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert

2012-05-31 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Xerox seems to have missed losing their trademark [1]. There's a lawsuit filed about Google's trademarked name in arizona [2]. A list of genericized trademarks is available at [3]. Ahh, litigation... 1: http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c6a7953ef0134851907f7970c-popup 2: http://www.digita

Re: [9fans] plan 9 in the cloud - amazon ec2

2012-05-24 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> No, it's simple now - the AMI uses pv-grub (paravirtualised grub) as > the "kernel", which then loads the real kernel from an ext2 partition > on your own virtual disk which you control. can't resist to bastardize the guide. "this is obviously some strange usage of the word simple that I wasn't

Re: [9fans] Governance question???

2012-05-15 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> http://3cx.org/media/1/20040203-Nemo-Found.jpg I like this new "let's not take ourselves too seriously" 9fans mailing list much more enjoyable.

Re: [9fans] The Alt/Meta Key

2012-05-11 Thread andrey mirtchovski
keyboard(6), or: http://lsub.org/magic/man2html/6/keyboard

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Can Plan9 be installed on the Thinkpad x201i? > Thanks. > It works in RubeGoldberg 2.2 but will not autocompile freeway scuzzmonkey merge svn commitshare javahunk. // could not resist, apologies all round.

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread andrey mirtchovski
...but whining feels so righteous :(

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Not yet. It seems to be in the works: > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/todo/index.html i think that work "stalled" in 2004 :)

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