Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

2022-01-27 Thread John Floren
My daily mouse is a Logitech 3-button mouse plugged into a PS2-USB adapter. Obviously they're not making them anymore but I've managed to acquire a bunch over the years. It's sturdy and works fine. https://www.ebay.com/itm/384628597228 john Original Message On Jan 27, 2022, 7

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

2021-03-31 Thread John Floren
Richard Miller being in this very thread, you could presumably get him to say "I declare that the old bcm kernel found in the p9f code is OK to be redistributed under the MIT license" and be done with it. Or declare the opposite, and the p9f can remove the kernel from the source. As for what to do

Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10?

2021-03-29 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 10:47 AM Russ Cox wrote: > > On March 29, 2021, arn...@skeeve.com wrote: > > OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early > Go compilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use? > > > The early Go compilers, written in C, were compiled with g

Re: [9fans] p9f.org https times out

2021-03-23 Thread John Floren
It's been quite responsive over http; I think the main issue is that people automatically write "https" in links these days and I'm not sure p9f.org ever had HTTPS set up. I remember trying it weeks back when Ron first announced it, wasn't able to connect with HTTPS back then either. john On Tue,

Re: [9fans] [RQ]: plan9 native 1920x1200 VGA recommendation

2013-03-19 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Andy Spencer wrote: > On 2013-03-18 12:09, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: >> could anyone recommend (personal experience would be nice) a VGA card >> that can support 1920x1200 mode on native Plan 9 from Bell Labs (from >> Bell Labs ;-) ? > > I used to use a Dell M70 lap

Re: [9fans] ANTS: Better in every single way than standard plan 9. Stop using p9p.

2013-03-17 Thread John Floren
Look. I'm sorry nobody commented when you posted your software. I'm sorry you and Eric et al. were working on sorta similar things at the same time. But can you cut it out with the fucking nuclear meltdowns all over this list? And fix your email client so it replies to threads properly? john

[9fans] what are people using for IRC these days

2013-03-15 Thread John Floren
So, while my IRC bouncer runs on my Plan 9 server, I've been connecting to it using Linux and Windows clients. Now that I've got my rpi set up with a nice monitor and everything, I'm looking at IRC on Plan 9 again. What clients are people using these days? I remember using something in Acme that p

Re: [9fans] The PATENTED IBM MULTI-PIPE : the evolution of unix pipes

2013-03-15 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM, wrote: > John Floren wrote: >> I probably didn't read the iosrv and hubfs stuff well enough, but >> multi-pipes are not like gnu screen--unless hubfs and/or iosrv can >> do barriers and reduces and I just missed that part? > > Th

Re: [9fans] The PATENTED IBM MULTI-PIPE : the evolution of unix pipes

2013-03-15 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Here's the original iosrv/hub announcement: > http://9fans.net/archive/2009/07/278 > > So what's the real difference between iosrv/hubfs and MULTI-PIPES? Is > anyone here good enough at translating patentese to code to tell what > the technic

Re: [9fans] Acme/Mail with plan9ports in Mac OS

2013-03-09 Thread John Floren
This is just a guess, but what does your $PATH look like? On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Rubén Berenguel wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm trying (just for the sake of getting it to work!) to read my (imap) mail > via acme from plan9ports. I got the mail file server started in my namespace > (I can

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 ARM questions

2013-03-08 Thread John Floren
xcpu is cool, but it doesn't really have anything to do with either of his questions besides being generally related to HPC. I don't see why you couldn't make linuxemu portable, Ron did something similar to run CNK binaries on Bluegene. john On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Bence Fábián wrote: >

Re: [9fans] new fork?

2013-02-27 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://plan10.tumblr.com/ > "I'll set up the wiki"

Re: [9fans] c compiler bug

2013-02-21 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Comeau At9Fans wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:39 PM, erik quanstrom > wrote: >> >> On Thu Feb 21 13:23:26 EST 2013, j...@jfloren.net wrote: >> > I think his mail client is just too world-class, breathtaking, >> > amazing, and fabulous--have you tried it? >>

Re: [9fans] c compiler bug

2013-02-21 Thread John Floren
I think his mail client is just too world-class, breathtaking, amazing, and fabulous--have you tried it? On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > can you please stop sending html mails? thanks > > On 2/21/13, Comeau At9Fans wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Cha

Re: [9fans] going too far?

2013-02-18 Thread John Floren
"go clean" does the same thing on Linux under strace, reading the headers from all the .go files of each package's dependencies. I have included the strace output of "strace -e open -f go clean github.com/floren/ellipsoid" below. The help for the command says "Clean removes object files from packa

Re: [9fans] ppxeload nix

2013-02-07 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: >>i think this is active any longer > > So what is the current "official" location to obtain the amd64 Plan 9? > Depends who you ask. When the google code repo dropped out of use, http://lsub.org/ls/nix.html became a good place to get the s

Re: [9fans] ppxeload nix

2013-02-07 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: > Network boot from Intel E1000 > Copyright (C) 2003-2008 VMware, Inc. > Copyright (C) 1997-2000 Intel Corporation > > CLIENT MAC ADDR: 00 0C 29 D2 AC AC GUID: 564DA193-9D84-E902-D0E8-F20CCBD2ACAC > CLIENT IP: 10.0.0.133 MASK: 255.255.255

Re: [9fans] iwp9 2013 dates set

2013-01-21 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:28:34AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: >> 31 Oct - 2 Nov 2013 >> >> http://iwp9.org >> >> - erik >> > > cfp.pdf is a 404, and it says the registration deadline is in 2011. Is > commuting to this location from Atlanta

Re: [9fans] PBSR...EI

2013-01-14 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:54 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> I'm about an hour and a half into downloading 9atom, with about a half >> hour to go. I'll probably be able to report on my progress tomorrow. >> >> Have you ever considered hosting the iso on a faster server? It's kind >> of harsh to wait

Re: [9fans] PBSR...EI

2013-01-14 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Has anyone else run into this? Is it something to do with the new >> bootloaders? I've seen it on several other motherboards lately and >> don't remember ever seeing it when I last installed from CD (about 2 >> years ago). > > fwiw, i never

[9fans] PBSR...EI

2013-01-14 Thread John Floren
I've been trying to install Plan 9 on a previously-untried system. When I put in the install disc and try to boot, I only see "PBSR...EI" and then nothing else. I've seen this with the Bell Labs CD and both 9legacy images. I have an old 9atom disc that gets farther, booting into the actual kernel a

Re: [9fans] big endian plan 9 machine?

2013-01-13 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >>> Blue Gene >>> >> >> hard to fit in the basement. > > How about an ipengine (mpc823)? I've got one gathering dust here. > > I caution against working on any hardware which can no longer be purchased new (sparc32, alph

Re: [9fans] big endian plan 9 machine?

2013-01-13 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 10:48 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Sun Jan 13 13:45:52 EST 2013, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: >> Blue Gene >> > > hard to fit in the basement. > > - erik > I don't know about the /Q's A2 processors, but you could at one point buy PPC440 development boards, which were

Re: [9fans] a disk filesystem for both Plan 9 and Linux?

2013-01-11 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:52 PM, wrote: > dossrv always had fat32 support. you'r probably refering to disk/format, > 9bootfat and pbs which do support fat32 now in 9front. > > -- > cinap > Thanks, you're entirely right, I was thinking of disk/format. john

Re: [9fans] a disk filesystem for both Plan 9 and Linux?

2013-01-11 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:24 PM, wrote: > i think fat is still the best option, even tho it has these limitations. > virtually every operating system can deal with fat, and the implementations > are robust and tolerant to errors because they are pretty much expected. > > ext2srv doesnt support ju

[9fans] a disk filesystem for both Plan 9 and Linux?

2013-01-11 Thread John Floren
I'd like to be able to use a disk in both Plan 9 and Linux. FAT seems to have some issues with sufficiently large partitions, so that's out. Plan9Port doesn't have fossil in the repo, although I've found patches. ext2srv may be an option, but I have no idea how reliable it would actually be. Am I

Re: [9fans] these are release of 9front?

2013-01-07 Thread John Floren
I recommend checking out the 9front list, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/9front. They announce the new releases there and list the changes. It would also be a good place for asking about 9front. john On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Francesco Cardi wrote: > http://ninetimes.ca

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-06 Thread John Floren
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Rox 64 wrote: > It seems I don't need aux/realemu and aux/vga at all to boot rio, it can run > with monitor=vesa and vgasize=640x480x8 in plan9.ini. I still haven't found > out how to run in 1024x738 with vesa, through, will check if it can run at > least at 800x600

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-05 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rox 64 wrote: > I don't really want to deal with ELF binaries and Grub... > I will try 9front and if its bootloader works then I will use it against > vanilla Plan 9. I merely suggest GRUB because it seems like most of the time, if I can get through 9load, I can bo

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-05 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Rox 64 wrote: > Maybe should I try 9front instead? I read they made a new bootloader to fix > that issue. The PC kernel is also (supposed to be) multiboot-compliant, so you should be able to boot it with GRUB if that helps. You just have to build the kernel as an E

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:26 AM, John Floren wrote: > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rox 64 wrote: >> Hu guys. >> Will Plan 9/9atom/9front run on a EEE 1005HA? > > I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be > getting the CDROM to boot in a machi

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rox 64 wrote: > Hu guys. > Will Plan 9/9atom/9front run on a EEE 1005HA? I have that same netbook. One of your big challenges will probably be getting the CDROM to boot in a machine without a CDROM drive. There exist bootable images for USB sticks which contain a f

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:19 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Is that targeting Intel Atom CPUs? I have an EEEPC sitting so that's >> a good chance to start using Plan9 in a real environment (non VM). >> The fact that go is provided is tempting :) > > originally, the goal was to get atom machines work

Re: [9fans] build iso's plan9 for amd64, atom, arm, powerpc

2013-01-02 Thread John Floren
What I think people are trying to say is that this doesn't really make a lot of sense. The AMD64 system doesn't have any installer work done for it at all--I think it's not far off, but to the best of my knowledge nobody has built a CDROM that boots the 64-bit kernel and gives you the installer fro

Re: [9fans] iwp9 2013

2012-11-20 Thread John Floren
It means that the football hooligans will be out of town rather than filling all the hotels and drinking all the beer. I'm told that Athens during a college football game is truly a sight to see. (From a distance. On closed-circuit camera. In a bunker) john On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Aram

Re: [9fans] iwp9 2013

2012-11-20 Thread John Floren
Evidently decided by the Plan 9 Cabal... sp9sss has competition! Or it came up at Dublin and the rest of us missed it, whichever one :) john On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Matthew Veety wrote: > Yes you did. > >

Re: [9fans] Attempts to set timezone don't stick?

2012-11-12 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Phineas Pett wrote: > Hello List, > > I'm attempting to setup a native Plan 9 system for the first time, but > I'm having a bit of trouble getting the timezone to ``stick.'' > > Putting the following in my /lib/profile seemed the intuitive and > correct thing to do

Re: [9fans] Newbie question: I have a plan9 system running on

2012-11-05 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:33 AM, keystroke wrote: > I'm not sure whether it's stupid to ask this question here. > > Maybe it's too easy a question to answer, maybe you think that I am too lazy > to post a question before do a good search on google, or read the document > offered. > > But English

Re: [9fans] Kernel panic when allocating a huge memory

2012-11-02 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Pavel Klinkovsky wrote: >>> It really seems as a problem with swap. :( >> >> this is well known, and solutions are available >> even if you don't care to use them. > > Oh, does it mean the official Plan 9 distribution contains non-working swap? > :O > It is clear

Re: [9fans] bell stuff off line ?

2012-10-31 Thread John Floren
Asking the same question 3 times in as many minutes will not get any faster answer john On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:10 AM, wrote: > hi, > > i just tried to get to the plan9 stuff at plan9.bell-labs.com and the google > DNS doesnt even resolve the name. i know that it could be hosted somewhere a

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Matthew Veety wrote: > > On Oct 25, 2012 1:00 PM, "Gorka Guardiola" wrote: >> >> >> >> On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:08 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > can someone tell me how to speed up poweroff on ubuntu? >> >> Pull the cable and or battery. >> >> G. >> >>

Re: [9fans] 9grid?

2012-10-23 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Matthew Veety wrote: > On 10/23/2012 8:11 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote: >> >> Go embeds parallel/grid functionality now instead of just lightweight >> thread execution? Which packages would you point me at? >> >> Thanks, >> D >> >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 5:09 PM, ron m

Re: [9fans] I need some EDID

2012-10-23 Thread John Floren
Everybody, PLEASE, restrain yourselves and send the EDID output to Ron directly, not to 9fans. John On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:22 PM, ron minnich wrote: > so, if any of you have X11 running, and could do this: > xrandr --verbose > > and send the output to me, subject > EDID > > I would NOT be f

Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-18 Thread John Floren
> Precisely. The correlation between what makes something > good and what makes something popular is small but negative. > One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that > it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the > commercial junk out there. I too find Linux too mainstream:

Re: [9fans] fossil option -m

2012-08-17 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:30 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Sat Aug 18 01:04:53 EDT 2012, aris...@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: >> Helo, >> >> Plan 9 manual FOSSIL(4) says about fossil/fossil command option -m: >> -m Allocate free-memory-percent percent of the avail- >>

[9fans] drawterm to a cpu server without authentication

2012-08-08 Thread John Floren
I'm playing around with booting a cpu kernel in qemu, and I'd like to be able to drawterm to it for testing stuff. However, as it is it seems that I need to specify an auth server. sources.cs.bell-labs.com works, but that's clunky and depending on my networking situation not always an option. Is t

Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-24 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Wed Jul 25 00:45:01 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote: >> We've got some budget left for hardware, so I'm looking for a server >> suitable for running Plan 9, preferably as good as I can get for about >> $3000-5000. Buying non-Thinkpad Pla

[9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-24 Thread John Floren
We've got some budget left for hardware, so I'm looking for a server suitable for running Plan 9, preferably as good as I can get for about $3000-5000. Buying non-Thinkpad Plan 9 hardware is kind of a crapshoot, and this isn't just some $100 Atom system, so if any of you are running something along

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 technical docs and man pages - licensed or "public domain"?

2012-07-24 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Andy Elvey wrote: > Hi Andrey - thanks for your reply! > > On 25/07/12 14:47, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > I'm not a lawyer but I play one in comedy clubs. The first > implementation of 9p came about long before Plan 9 had a free (as in > rms) license. Nobody got

Re: [9fans] Can't "mk CONF=9pcdisk" --> gives error

2012-07-23 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Kyle Laracey wrote: > On Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:48:06 PM UTC-4, John Floren wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM, erik quanstrom >> <quans...@quanstro.net> wrote: >> >> But as Federico mentioned, you might not want pcdisk

Re: [9fans] Can't "mk CONF=9pcdisk" --> gives error

2012-07-19 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> But as Federico mentioned, you might not want pcdisk--that's for >> running with a kfs root, which isn't officially supported any more. If >> you were looking at the 3e guide, that might explain it. These days, >> for a terminal, you proba

Re: [9fans] Can't "mk CONF=9pcdisk" --> gives error

2012-07-19 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Kyle Laracey wrote: > On Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:17:47 AM UTC-4, Charles Forsyth wrote: >> 9pcdisk is the output file, not the configuration file. Also you need to >> quote the = because it is special to rc (assignment). >> Try >> mk 'CONF=pcdisk' >> >> >> O

Re: [9fans] plan9port rio and keyboard shortcuts

2012-07-10 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Rudolf Sykora wrote: > Hello, > > In p9p's rio there is a possibility to cycle over windows with left_alt-tab. > Has anyone thought about / managed to add some more shortcuts, e.g. > such that would run a program like dmenu? > (Do you start all your programs from a

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Nick LaForge wrote: >> sadly, the 10/100 ethernet is provided through a flakey usb hub > > I think the 'cheap arm dev board' bandwagon will always suffer in this > regard, since the phones these SoCs were designed for don't even come > close to needing gbe > Gurup

Re: [9fans] dejavu sans

2012-06-11 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Mon Jun 11 17:07:15 EDT 2012, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: >> looking for more pleasing fonts I came across dejavu which are >> downloadable from http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Download >> > [...] >> >> coverage is so-so, but there are lati

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-11 Thread John Floren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Winston Weinert wrote: > On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:19 -0400, Comeau At9Fans wrote: >> * Raspberry Pi >> * Cotton Candy >> * Mele A1000 >> * MK802 > > Some other _pricier_ products to consider (and a larger variety of > integrated components): > * Beagleboard > * Bea

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-05-31 Thread John Floren
Some people would love warp-to-location for Undo/Redo, some I'm sure would hate it. Some people can't stand that up/down arrow keys scroll the page rather than move the cursor (I'm not one). Acme might benefit from a config file in $home/lib/acme.conf or something. Yeah yeah, Plan 9 doesn't use a l

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-05-30 Thread John Floren
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > On 30 May 2012 11:25, erik quanstrom wrote: >>> Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger). >> >> dop.  dop!  make it stop! >> i can't not >> will not >> have a dop! >> >> - erik >> > > copy? > That surely won't be confused with the "Snarf" function

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-05-29 Thread John Floren
Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted... On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Lucio De Re wrote: > (Trolling unintentional) > > The misspelling of Xerox in Acme has bugged me for a long time.  I > want to suggest that we change it to Clone.  Votes? > > ++L > >

Re: [9fans] 9front: Support for encrypted partitions (in development, needs documentation)

2012-05-18 Thread John Floren
9front has a mailing list, that's probably the best place to ask these kind of things. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Burton Samograd wrote: > The features list of 9front has the subject line.  How in development > is it, and could anybody give a documentation/HOWTO on getting it > working (if

Re: [9fans] Reading gmail

2012-05-15 Thread John Floren
Secstore really helps here. john On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Federico Benavento wrote: > http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mail_configuration/index.html > > factotum doesn't have your key, try > % auth/fgui & > % /bin/upas/smtp -as net!smtp.gmail.com dest@dom > > a window will pop

Re: [9fans] Reading gmail

2012-05-14 Thread John Floren
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM, wrote: >> Is there any way to read gmail from plan9?  Over SSL imap >> maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing. > > Mount your gmail account via IMAP: > >        upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/usern...@gmail.com > > The first time you try this, upa

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread John Floren
I've got one of those with the 1400x1050 display, it runs Plan 9 well, looks great, and has a fantastic screen. john On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM, wrote: > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X61_Tablet > > -sl >

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-09 Thread John Floren
A Thinkpad X60 or X61 works great and is very light, too. john On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Burton Samograd wrote: > Along these lines, is there a recommendation for the best laptop for running > plan9?  Ie. Native video, working Ethernet/wifi, no hassles with HW > compatibility, etc.  One

Re: [9fans] Starting a blog on plan 9

2012-05-08 Thread John Floren
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:34 AM, IainWS wrote: > Hi there! I am trying to get involved more with plan 9 but having some > trouble finding resources on it that are all in one place. I have > started a blog so that I can add resources to make things more simple > for new users, and for the community

Re: [9fans] new arm port: teg2

2012-05-01 Thread John Floren
Great! Graphics support at this point, or is it still in the cpu server stage? john On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:30 PM, wrote: > After you pull, you should see a new directory, > /sys/src/9/teg2.  From the _announce file: > > This is a preliminary Plan 9 port to the Compulab Trimslice, > containing

Re: [9fans] Source Code.

2012-04-27 Thread John Floren
ms in general, check out the stuff under /sys/src/cmd. John On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Isaac Cortés wrote: > Thanks a lot  to everyone, I'm planing (my english sucks too) to learn about > O.S. and C with this project, 'cause I'm kind of Hipster Student > Informatic&

Re: [9fans] Source Code.

2012-04-27 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Download the installation image from the website, gunzip, mount the resulting > ISO image, then look in /sys/src. Easier option: grab http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/extra/plan9.tar.bz2, untar it, look under plan9/sys/src/9 for the ke

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Strake wrote: > On 25/04/2012, John Floren wrote: >> Through the magic of compression, and other things like realizing that >> you don't have to redraw the *entire* screen 60 times a second when >> displaying a mostly-static desktop. &

Re: [9fans] git and (p9p) acme

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On 2012-04-25, at 1:36 PM, Russ Cox wrote: > >> What is not obvious about what 'sam file' does? > > Plugging 'sam file' into a script does not launch the editor with the > specified file in a window for the user to edit, and then save o

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Strake wrote: > On 25/04/2012, John Floren wrote: >> There are 3 options: >> >> 1. Suck it up and use the 64-bit system that is available >> 2. Write drivers for your hardware (this is the comedy option) >> 3. Complain on 9f

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Strake wrote: > On 25/04/2012, John Floren wrote: >> If you're doing cryptography and physical simulation, computation >> bound stuff, why not set up a 64-bit CPU server? I've got one at work, >> all you should need to do is

Re: [9fans] AMD64 system

2012-04-25 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Strake wrote: > On 25/04/2012, Matthew Veety wrote: >> On Apr 25, 2012 2:27 PM, "Lyndon Nerenberg" wrote: >>> On 2012-04-25, at 11:04 AM, Strake wrote: >>> > Four billion is not enough. >>> >>> Not enough what?  This cat's curiosity is raised. >>> >> >> Numbers

Re: [9fans] nix at lsub

2012-04-17 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:07 PM, John Floren wrote: > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:26 PM,   wrote: >>> I was thinking along the lines of http://lsub.org/ls/octopus.html, myself, >>> using a child of Inferno. >> >> Yeah, sound like interesting. >> Can I try t

Re: [9fans] nix at lsub

2012-04-17 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:26 PM, wrote: >> I was thinking along the lines of http://lsub.org/ls/octopus.html, myself, >> using a child of Inferno. > > Yeah, sound like interesting. > Can I try this octopus on some of the PC still now? > because I didn't do it, and have no idea of this. > > Whe I

Re: [9fans] test

2012-04-16 Thread John Floren
Obvious solution, switch to reading comp.os.plan9 and sending replies to the list :-) On Apr 16, 2012 11:48 AM, wrote: > can't receive mail from 9fans anymore. but can i > still send? > > -- > cinap > >

Re: [9fans] vim and utf-8

2012-04-14 Thread John Floren
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 4:56 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > bad troll > relax

Re: [9fans] vim and utf-8

2012-04-13 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Troy Cauble wrote: > When using vim, Greek characters are shown followed by a > garbage character, usually Esc., sometimes immediately after > the Greek char, sometimes later in the line.  Editing that line > after the Greek char, positioning is one-off. > > encodi

[9fans] Google command line client

2012-03-29 Thread John Floren
Turns out Google command line client (http://code.google.com/p/googlecl/) works on Plan 9 just fine. All you need is python (from fgb's contrib, or if you want to risk potentially out-of-date code I've got a tarball at http://jfloren.net/contrib/packages/lang/python/root.tgz, just untar it and copy

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
rter > approach? Think it'd work? > > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:20 PM, John Floren wrote: >> >> I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. >> It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just >> say, "Oh,

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just say, "Oh, I'm bored with this, I quit". John On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Joseph Stewart wrote: > So this all makes me wonder why some social aggregation

Re: [9fans] GSoC 2012

2012-03-14 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, wrote: > May I suggest to add an "easy" project to the list: review Plan9 > installation. > > The "howto install without" (explaining how to create a Plan9 realm > from another OS if the CD can not be used) that I posted a while > ago did not attract a lot of att

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> folks don't write code until they want it. until now, nobody has cared >> enough about cameras or scanners or printers (though i thought ethernet >> connected printers work more or less (but i've never printed anything)) >> to do anything.

Re: [9fans] GSoC application & ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: >> It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down >> menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. > > Oh, no!!! > ++pac > Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, "And then force Pe

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:14 AM, V-CA ! Christoph Paschke wrote: > @Nemo > > Ok, I just want start with a very easy constellation: > > 1.) I installed octopus on top of my MacMini (newest version) at my > televison in living room, he running also Mac-Server > 2.) I got the terminal started at an

Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Nicolas Bercher wrote: > On 02/03/2012 13:11, Charles Forsyth wrote: >> >> Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley. >> >> On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesteros  wrote: >> >>> WoW! I hate them. >>> It seems my university is subscribed and I coul

[9fans] Some things never change

2012-02-23 Thread John Floren
While waiting for Linux to compile, I started poking at the 9fans archive and noticed something: The 13th message ever sent to 9fans (http://9fans.net/archive/1993/04/13) ended by asking about "find". Plan 9: Not UNIX, since 1993 John

Re: [9fans] current python & hg support

2012-02-10 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 8:44 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Mercurial's a good example as it's got a lot of logic in place to >> deal with all sorts of odd filesystems already. >> > > well if that the case, then its support isn't worth much. > nix has been dealing with problems due to osx : mangling

Re: [9fans] current python & hg support

2012-02-09 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Jeff Sickel wrote: > A quick question for everyone, is there interest in getting a more current > version of hg working for Plan 9 & NIX?  If so, given I've spent way too much > time in the past getting both working for other platforms, I could devote a > little

Re: [9fans] Building Go on Plan 9 using Antony Martin's

2012-01-20 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:48 AM, ROuNIN wrote: > Hello, > Thank you. Sorry for late reply: > > I get this message - something seems drastically wrong with my Plan9 > install -- > > 8l > cp 8.out /386/bin/go/8l > 8c > 8l  -o 8.out cgen.8 cgen64.8 div.8 list.8 machcap.8 mul.8 pgen.8 pswt. > 8 peep.8

Re: [9fans] /ape/libcrypto.a ??none??: /386/lib/ape/libssl.a first

2012-01-19 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:32 AM, ROuNIN wrote: > Hello! > I still get the following: > > pcc  -o 8.out app_rand.8 apps.8 asn1pars.8 ca.8 ciphers.8 crl.8 > crl2p7.8 dgst.8 dh.8 dhparam.8 dsa.8 dsaparam.8 ec.8 ecparam.8 enc.8 > engine.8 errstr.8 gendh.8 gendsa.8 genrsa.8 nseq.8 ocsp.8 openssl.8 > pa

Re: [9fans] ape compiler error, IND CHAR and INT

2012-01-18 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Martin Harriss wrote: > John Floren wrote: >> >> I figured I'd try building Python from the source on their website >> just for kicks. Configure went ok, but when I went to run "make", it >> soon bailed out with this er

[9fans] ape compiler error, IND CHAR and INT

2012-01-18 Thread John Floren
I figured I'd try building Python from the source on their website just for kicks. Configure went ok, but when I went to run "make", it soon bailed out with this error: cc -c -OPT:Olimit=0 -g -DNDEBUG -O -I. -IInclude -I./Include -DPy_BUILD_CORE -o Parser/grammar.o Parser/grammar.c cc: flag -P ig

Re: [9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-13 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Yaroslav wrote: > well, there is a session persistense in Plan 9, and its name is vncs(1)… > Opening mibbit in a web browser is easier than installing a VNC client on every computer I use. Do you have some personal problem with IRC bouncers that makes you despera

Re: [9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-12 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Yaroslav wrote: > 2012/1/12 John Floren : >> but I missed the simplicity and >> convenience of having just one nickname on IRC at all times > > why not to use their nickserv extentions for this purpose, > and a startup script to

Re: [9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-11 Thread John Floren
m). > > a nice fix is fgb's "config" script > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/fgb/rc/config > > another common problem is "grep", where the easiest is to write > > GREP=grep > at the top of the configure script. > > 2012/1/12 John Floren :

Re: [9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-11 Thread John Floren
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:03 PM, John Floren wrote: > Back when I had my FreeBSD server, I used to run a tmux session and > irssi to keep myself connected to IRC at all times.  This let me > access it from any computer with an SSH client. > > Now I only run a Plan 9 server, b

[9fans] miau, an IRC bouncer

2012-01-11 Thread John Floren
Back when I had my FreeBSD server, I used to run a tmux session and irssi to keep myself connected to IRC at all times. This let me access it from any computer with an SSH client. Now I only run a Plan 9 server, but I missed the simplicity and convenience of having just one nickname on IRC at all

Re: [9fans] Plan 9/plan9port coding conventions

2012-01-11 Thread John Floren
> (1) For example, P9 code tends to use variable names like "i" and "j", > where I would typically use self-documenting variable names like "row" > and "col". Variable names like "row" and "col" are much easier to > search for (i.e., with a right-click), too. Names like "i" and "j" > (which occu

Re: [9fans] venti and "contrib": RFC

2012-01-05 Thread John Floren
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:07:08 PST "John Floren" wrote: >> >> For reference, I set up our current Plan 9 system about half a year >> ago. We have 3.8 TB of Venti storage total. We have used 2.8 GB of >> that, with basically no precautions taken to se

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