tl;dr: I was wrong, the real-time scheduler is fine, and we
shouldn't be using DMA with SPI.
In our last episode, broadcast in Paris, I talked about driving
an LED matrix and noted that a user-space program, even using
real-time scheduling was subject to some flicker. At the time
I said that I co
On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 07:00:07PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> Has anyone looked into porting the Chez Scheme compiler?
I haven't tried Chez on Plan 9, but I have played a bit with
s9fes. If you really want to try something strange, I did
do a scheme implemention on Inferno a long time ago.
On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 10:33:35PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> the Waynesworld display server is the annointed future,
A perfect argument to eschew it. Not that X is perfect,
but if there's one thing I've learned, if there's a bandwagon
that all the cool kids think is the future, more lik
On Sun, Jun 08, 2025 at 02:05:35PM +0200, ch...@chrisfroeschl.de wrote:
> Magnificant elaboration. Thank you for this verbalization!
> Indeed, a much better verbalization that I could ever come up with
> during my thoughtful walks.
Thank you very much, Chris. As I proceed through my 60s,
I've acc
So I've been seeing big-picture/philosophical discussions arise on 9fans
for about 25 years. Usually I just sit back with my bowl of popcorn and
watch. Every once in a while I'll jump in and present a painfully long
dissertation, and that's today. For those new to my perspective, I've
been at th
Well, email scraping has reached a new level of stupidity. I
just got a bit of advertising spam on gmail from Best Western
hotels with the subject line:
Glenda, Happy Best Western Rewards Anniversary!
Between that, chatGPT, vscode, and UEFI (along with a thousand
other brain-dead misadventures t
On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 10:59:06PM +0200, Roberto E. Vargas Caballero wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 12:33:47PM -0400, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> > Quoth Roman Belenov :
> > > Why not Alpha? Or it's never-released-for-some-reason successor Iota?
> >
> > Too niche, obviously.
>
> I have an alp
On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 07:47:02AM -0700, ron minnich wrote:
> Off to my day job :-)
Ron,
I've heard rumors (perhaps apocryphal) that there exists
a state of being where there is no "day job" and you can
spend all your time on things that are more intellectually
satisfying than any suit could ever
Stirring from the ashes of the week from hell...*
On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 11:54:59PM -1000, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> Brian Stuart did a port of Inferno to the Sun SPOT hardware, which has some
> overlap with the devices in question:
>
> http://iwp9.org/8e/sunspot.pdf
Yes, that would be an exampl
On Sat, Mar 22, 2025 at 01:17:42PM +, Steve Simon wrote:
> a few years ago i brought libsec from 9front over to the 4th edition (richard
> miller?s pi port) and used that to give ssh2 some more modern / widely
> accepted encryption algos.
This would be the best solution overall. I've update
We have generally been flexible with the page limits,
since we don't have a huge number of papers and we
aren't making thousands of copies of the proceedings.
Thus an extra page or two per paper isn't going to
incur a big cost. Last year, we didn't formally
print and bind the proceedings. I just
On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 03:49:36PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
wrote:
> jas.smoke via 9fans writes:
>
> > I want to copy text files from a Windows PC to a Plan 9 computer using a US=
> > B thumb drive.=C2=A0
>
> Format the thumb drive as a FAT32 filesystem and stick the files
> there
I wouldn't call it obvious. :) It looks like there's at least a difference
in where the firmware blobs are kept. I don't really know how much difference
there is in the driver code, but I would expect that there would be a file in
/sys/src/9/bcm that is analogous to ether4330.c. But I'll ha
I haven't had any trouble with wifi on the 4, with one caveat. The 400 (and
maybe some of the later 4s) have an updated version of the radio. It just
takes a new entry in ether4330.c and new blobs in /sys/lib/firmware. The entry
I've got in my ether4330.c is:
{ 0x4345, 9, "brcmfmac43456-
Some of you may have noticed that the original deadline for the
camera-readycopy of papers and the WiP reports is today. The committee has
decidedto extend that deadline by one week. So anyone for whom the edits
haveslid to the back burner, you've got a reprieve. After the new deadline
onthe
A week ago I sent out a request for interest in a hotel room block at
$200/night. I got exactly one response saying that's what AirBNB is for.
Unless I hear differently by sometime tomorrow, I'll interpret the lack of
response as indicating that everyone has or is planning to make their own
a
The housing situation for IWP9 this year in Philadelphia is not
ideal. It seems there's a big volleyball tournament in town at the
same time, so many hotels have little availability and they're
able to charge high rates. However, we have had one that has said
they can reserve a block of rooms for u
we will not have totality in Philadelphia,
the path of totality is reachable from Philadelphia in less
than a day's driving time. So take advantage of the
scheduling to experience both one of nature's most amazing
events and discussions of computing's most amazing operating
system.
On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 06:06:21PM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote:
> > I found another interesting wrinkle. It appears this issue seems to
> > only affect diskless CPU servers. I'm able to SSH successfully to my
> > auth and file servers.
>
> Mystery solved! It turns out this was the same issue C
On Friday, May 28, 2021, 3:12:26 PM EDT, Steve Simon
wrote:
> sadly i have had problems with usb3 which is on
> my todo list - usb2 devices work fine as do usb3
> devices in usb2 sockets.
I'll definitely keep that in mind. I haven't been
trying to use any USB3 devices, but who know
what'll hap
RPi4s request it for no-SD netbooting
without hardcoding TFTP_IP in EEPROM */
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Brian L. Stuart wrote:
>
> On Friday, May 28, 2021, 2:52:35 PM EDT, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com>
> wrote:
> >> The really odd part is I just moved the SD c
On Friday, May 28, 2021, 2:52:35 PM EDT, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com>
wrote:
>> The really odd part is I just moved the SD card over
>> from a pi3 that was booting fine with dhcp.
>
> Does the MAC address in the dhcp request look right?
It does. I'm at a loss to explain it, but I ended u
I'm inclined to think you're on the right track with
a dhcp problem. It seems to be working fine if I
set the address manually on the command line.
The really odd part is I just moved the SD card over
from a pi3 that was booting fine with dhcp. I'll keep
digging.
BLS
On Friday, May 28, 20
So I picked up a pi400 and everything seems happy
except the Ethernet. I'm using Richard's latest 9pi.img
from 9p.io. At least, I'm pretty sure it's the latest; it
does include the /dev/serial driver. The network switch
is showing the hardware to be happy and I'm using a
cable that has been work
I never got to know Jim, but I always respected his
contributions. He will be sorely missed.
RIP
On Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 08:37:21 PM EDT, Charles Forsyth
wrote:
I am sorry to say that Jim McKie (jmk) died suddenly on 16 June.
https://www.ippolitofuneralhomes.com/obituaries/Jam
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 02:02:40 PM EDT, Ethan Gardener
wrote:
> i still miss 9vx. it was so convenient when it
> worked. fun too; i had it full-screened in a little
> ...
Was? I still use it everyday. It's my primary
terminal. I have it take the root from my file
server when I'm on my ho
On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 5:43:13 AM EDT, Richard Miller
<9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> > Do you also need the man pages for i2c and
> > spi, or did I send those the first time around?
>
> If you sent them, they must have gone astray ... if you can
> supply a new copy, I'll add them to the
On Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 12:21:32 PM EDT, Richard Miller
<9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> Thanks Brian, I'll add your man page to the 9pi image for the
> next update.
You're welcome. Do you also need the man pages for i2c and
spi, or did I send those the first time around?
Thanks,
BLS
On Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 10:27:08 AM EDT, Олег Бахарев
wrote:
> Need man page for this.
My bad. I thought I had sent man pages along with the
code. I've included the man page for it at the bottom of
this message.
> Can you get some example for reading/writing GPIO ?
I've also included
On Mon, 4/1/19, Ethan Gardener wrote:
> I remember hearing of some disadvantage to
> walking directories, but can't remember what it was.
> Could someone remind me, please? Perhaps there was
> more than one, of course. Perhaps a performance trick
> couldn't be employed?
The only complaint I'v
On Tue, 10/30/18, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> > Is there a technical reason (beside fonts that do not cover them) not
> > to use a Unicode values for the first letter?
>
> They're a bit harder to produce on the keyboard.
Especially if you're at a VT-220 on the console and can't
Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:11 AM Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> man, i experienced such heavy negativity towards my efforts to build ...
>
> the idea was to have a 64-bit linux kernel with the advantages of
> plan9port (small and elegantly designed+developed tools).
Mayuresh,
To echo what others have said,
On Sat, 9/1/18, Lucio De Re wrote:
> I'm trying to arrive at the most elegant solution to the following
> problem that does not sacrifice a great deal of efficiency. And, maybe
> I need to state this, the final result must be as robust or more
> robust than what I have in place currently, which ha
On Wed, 6/20/18, Ethan A. Gardener wrote:
> but on the back burner is a
> Forth-based project; a sort of operating system where the
> primary interface to all tasks is a Forth interpreter. So
> far, I've written the basics of a text editor. It's
> *very* little code!
I love seeing this idea comin
On Fri, 6/15/18, Mark van Atten wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Brian L. Stuart
> wrote:
> > Can't say for LInux, but I run it all the time under 64-bit FreeBSD.
>
> As of 11.0, FreeBSD has its own fdclose() with conflicting types.
> https://github.com/0in
On Fri, 6/15/18, Lucio De Re wrote:
> Great news. I've upgraded my Linux Mint to 64-buit ad I've been
> reluctant to experiment with 9vx, which I really like a lot. Can you
> confirm thatit runs OK under 64-bit Linux? Do I need to add any
> special bits, different from p9p, to get it to compile?
Has anyone tried Plan 9 on the new Pi 3B+? I've
run into something that confuses me a bit. First,
it seems you need the new version of start_cd.elf
to bring up the 3B+. However, with that, the kernel
throws a lock loop error. In tracking down the loop,
it happens in startcpus() in archbcm2.c.
Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Brian L. Stuart
> wrote:
>> Which version of FreeBSD did you use, and did you use the
>> Inferno on bitbucket? I'm finding it a long way from building
>> out of the box there these days.
>
> Whil
On Sun, 12/31/17, Bakul Shah wrote:
> I don't think we can assume a more popular plan9 would have
> met the fate of Linux. What bothers (some of) us is not that
> Linux is mainstream but that it is far too complicated and
> kitchensinky.
I'd like to think that there can be widespread use without
On Sat, 12/30/17, Andre Wingor wrote:
> And also ready-made live distributions for launching from USB and
> installing on a desktop with simple copying
> without admins privileges.
I haven't thought about anything along those lines with the
hosted versions, but a while back I did start putting t
On Sun, 12/31/17, Rui Carmo wrote:
> I honestly don’t think Plan9 or Inferno will become
> “general use” without (at the very least) a modern
> browser,
For which we can all be grateful. "General use" is not a
good thing to be desired. One of the biggest reasons I
moved away from Linux was that
On Fri, 12/29/17, Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 19:11:22 +0000 "Brian L. Stuart"
> wrote:
>> I'm at the same point I usually am when getting ready to teach my winter
>> term OS
>> course.
>
> Why teach about Inferno? Just curious.
It
On Fri, 12/29/17, G B wrote:
> I used Inferno from bitbucket.org but wasn't able to build
> on FreeBSD 11.x/amd64 so I just reverted back to FreeBSD
> 9.3/i386. But I may try to build using 11.1/i386 with
> gcc. I'll have to use KVM on OpenIndiana to try it
> though since I don't have a spare ph
On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 7:13 PM, G B wrote:
> I've installed Inferno on FreeBSD but how do you build it for Plan 9? The
> makemk.sh file and without looking, I think the mkconfig file too, reference
> gcc. And the makemk.sh has /bin/sh. Do I have to install a Bourne or Korn
> shell plus gcc fro
On Fri, 9/15/17, Marshall Conover wrote:
> I'll start digging in to see what I can do. I think I jumped the
> gun by trying to contribute a feature, ...
On this point, I'd suggest a slight shift of perspective. This is something
that I've tried to convey both to collegues when in industry and t
On Sat, 10/1/16, James A. Robinson wrote:
> Honestly I had been assuming one of those usb battery packs would work. :)
They work pretty well. One I tested with a B+ and a 3.5" LCD screen
lasted about 4 hours before it crashed. I should time it with a 3 and
one of the DSI interface 7" LCD screen
On Tue, 8/23/16, Brantley Coile wrote:
> We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the
> list.
I can say this particular 9 fan isn't dead...just aging. My main file server
here at home runs Plan9, but with my own file system, rather than Ken's.
My auth server is a Raspbe
I'll try to answer several questions here together.
> I see an image at bell labs for the raspberry pi.
> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/miller/9pi.img.gz
>
> I see that there are Raspberry Pi 2 Model Bs and Raspberry Pi 3 Model Bs
> for sale. Will either one work with that image?
I
On Wed, 3/9/16, Vasudev Kamath wrote:
>> The second talks to the MMA8451 3-axis accelerometer:
>>
>> http://cs.drexel.edu/~bls96/plan9/mma8451sa.c
>
> This link gives Forbidden message (403)
Oops. I had the mode set wrong. Try it now and see if works
better for you.
BLS
On Wed, 3/9/16, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> Anyone have any example code using the i2c interface on the pi
> I can look at? I'm playing around with several of these, and am not
> getting the results I expect (data getting out, but the hats aren't behaving
> like they're getting the same bits I think I
On Sat, 1/9/16, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> Anyone got anything? USB dongle we can drive, or an ethernet bridge
> folks have had good results with? WiFi with WPA2 is ideal, but the only
> hard requirement for my use case is power: it needs to either draw directly
> or be able to draw power via USB.
N
On Sat, 1/2/16, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > in diffing bls' version and sources, i see some significant
> > differences, but it's not clear which one is more up-to-date.
>
> Brian Stuart's version is more up-to-date.
>
> Brian Stuart based his changes on the latest changes fr
On Fri, 1/1/16, erik quanstrom wrote:
> i'm looking @ the gpio interface, and i wonder what the recommended
> technique for sampling a pin might be from a shell script?
I haven't really used it in shell scripts, but if I were going to do
so, I'd probably write up a little utility to take a hex st
On Wed, 12/30/15, Skip Tavakkolian <9...@9netics.com> wrote:
> > - Enhancements for I2C and SPI
>
> is there an updated devrtc3231.c, or a conventional user space
> fs, that uses the new i2c?
Yes, there's a devi2c userland interface ported over from Inferno.
That's what's being used to drive the
On Mon, 12/28/15, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> And yes, I’d be interested in seeing your
> slides, although you’ve already given me
> enough to keep my busy for a bit.
Anthony,
I've put the slides up in the directory at:
http://cs.drexel.edu/~bls96/plan9/
The class met one night a week and we have
> Excellent. I had suspected that statement was too restrictive, but hadn't
> seen the errata or gotten around to checking on a scope. I'll update that
> today.
New versions posted. spiclock() now rounds the divisor up to the smallest
even number that results is a clock rate less than or equal
> but http://raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/spi/README.md
> has an erratum suggesting "power of 2" should be "multiple of 2". I have
> been using a default divisor of 250 for a 1MHz clock, and that's the frequency
> I see on my oscilloscope.
Excellent. I had suspected that st
A few months ago I brought up the question of small
platforms suitable for a course on small/embedded
computing. If you recall the conversation, with input
from the collective wisdom, I decided to use the Pi.
At that time several people asked if I could share
any results from the course that I'm a
On Fri, 8/14/15, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
> The fundamental issue ... hwdraw().
Tonight's update: Forget what I said last night about hwdraw()
and the difficulty of connecting into the devdraw/memdraw/screen
stack. I had one of those embarrassing "how did it ever work"
bugs.
On Sat, 8/15/15, Joseph Stewart wrote:
> Brian, does your uni let you publish your curriculum or course notes?
> Is this something you've ever considered?
I should be able to do at least something along those lines. There
are corners of the university that get twitchy about making available
for
On Sat, 8/15/15, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> cute, you should ship with fresnel lenses, then the reference is complete:
> http://www.wikinoticia.com/images2//s2.alt1040.com/files/2011/11/Brazil2-800x528.jpg
rotfl... I hadn't made the association until you mentioned it.
I may have to mentio
On Sat, 8/15/15, Steve Simon wrote:
> Vncserv must do something similar, maybe that is worth looking at.
> I went down a similar route but am planning to just address
> the display as a different type of device, rather than as a plan9 display.
Good point. Hadn't thought about that. I'll take a
> I have tried to email BLS but fear I am being spam filtered... you there?
I did get one message from you, and replied earlier today. Hopefully
it got through.
A little more update on recent pi playing. I've been working on a
little toy the last few days, namely one of those small SPI driven
L
On Wed, 8/12/15, Skip Tavakkolian <9...@9netics.com> wrote:
> the gpio pins don't seem accessible through a filesystem api
> like i see in plan9-bcm (unless i've missed something).
I'm pretty sure it's not there.
> it would be great to merge that capability in.
I've made a start on that this af
On Wed, 8/12/15, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is all that on sources somewhere or accessible otherwise?
>
> Richard's latest Raspberry Pi repository is available here:
>
> /n/sources/contrib/miller/9/bcm
Cool. Somehow I missed that. I'll pull it and play with it. Using
the
> Richard has an i2c and spi driver for the pi. I grafted the inferno
> i2c file system interface on top of Richards driver, though
> the sub addressed reads are awaiting my return from
> holiday.
Steve,
Is all that on sources somewhere or accessible otherwise?
Last night, I pulled devbcm from pla
On Thu, 8/6/15, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> Olimex in Bulgaria manufacture and market worldwide a very wide
> range of AVR and ARM based boards and peripherals. They target
> the DIY market. Pay their site (olimex.com works for me) a visit.
They do look interesting, and I like their intention
On Wed, 8/5/15, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> RPI's running something like plan9-bcm (check github) where gpio
> is exposed should work. I'm going to try plan9-bcm this weekend;
> i'll keep you posted.
Thanks for the pointer. I'll definitely check that out. I'm hoping to
expose them to a little bit
On Wed, 8/5/15, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> I think the big advantage of the Rpi or Rpi2 (for speed,
> memory and cores)is that there's a wealth of published
> projects for them, including hardware ones, and other stuff,
> and they aren't likely to go away. It's true that lacking SATA
> and Gb Ether
I'm teaching a special topics course this fall I'm
calling Computing in the Small. Right now, I'm
leaning toward conducting it on a platform that
runs Plan 9. I'm looking for something based on
ARM or MIPS and that has some useful connection
to the external world in the form of GPIOs. SPI,
I2C,
> trying to connect from 9atom via ssh (v2) to my linux machine I get:
>
> ssh: dial: handshake failed
>
> What should I check that might have gone wrong?
> (The machine is otherwise accessible from other systems via
> ssh.)
The first thing to check is whether the Linux box is configured to
do pa
> Apparently you can crash one with a light bulb:
I once read that a similar thing happened when the IBM 701 was first
unveiled to the press. IBM had put the CRT-based storage devices
behind smoked plexiglass, and one could see the memory visually.
Naturally, the photographers took flash pictures
> ok, i found some more diagnostic messages in /sys/log/sshdebug:
> ...
> The problem might be that `dh.c` has an empty implementation of `dh_client142`
> ...
Ingo,
I must admit to being the guilty party for the SSHv2 implementation.
Though Geoff gets credit for cleaning up what was some of my
ugl
> I'm new to Plan9, using acme/p9p for a couple of months, and
> I want to add plan9 machines to my network. I'm thinking
> that a DNS/DHCP/AUTH server will be an easy step. If this
> machine could have the role of an Internet
> firewall/nat-router it will be even better.
>
> Do you think plan9+ra
> int
> trans(int c, char *)
> {
>
> That parameter seems not to be used inside. That may answer
> the question...
Yes, that is the answer. By alowing a parameter name to be
omitted, the compiler can warn you about unused parameters
without having to add clutter that explicitly says, "I'm ignori
> Would it be possible to create the option of merging these two buttons
> for machines not blessed with the traditional rodent?
If you hold down the right shift key while pressing the right
button, it interpretes that as a middle button press. I'm not
completely certain, but I seem to remember
> My whole argument goes about the following hypotheses:
> 1. increasing the amount of contributions may not scale in
> the current model.
> 2. submitting trivial contributions is not trivial for the contributor.
Both of these points seem to come from a mental model
that just doesn't apply to Plan
> - having an SSH2 server (there is one in 9atom, but I didn't
> see it in the stock Plan9).
Geoff included the same ssh implementation as 9atom
has in /sys/src/cmd/ssh2 but with some code clean-up.
So the server code is there. I've been meaning to go
back an reconcile the two different
>> you may edit the wiki yourself to correct these issues.
>
> The Wiki seems to be frozen (i.e., not editable anymore):
> - no "Edit" button on
> http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/software_for_Plan_9/
It was changed some time back to allow edits only using
the acme wiki interface, ra
> I’m trying to make a tutorial explaining the code of
> a not too large kernel (9), but there are too many
> things to explain so I have to cut things. So having
> a simple fs which does not require to explain 9p, the
> rpc, the mount device, etc would be great.
In that case, I'd suggest using d
> I’m looking for a very simple in-kernel filesystem.
What's motivating the desire for to be in-kernel? Nearly,
every file system in Plan 9 runs in user space. All the
ones that have been mentioned do. The only in-kernel
file system in the labs' distribution is devroot which is
read-only and in
> With the trick I am talking about, there is nothing to stop
> you from connecting to N different remote ventis. In effect
> your local (by that I mean under your control, not necessarily
> on the same machine) venti can be treated as just a buffer!
I took a look at some things along those line
> ssh2 doesn't work with passwords (at
> least not without changing server
> settings), you need to use keys.
It does work with real password auth, but current OpenSSH
distros default to not allowing real password auth. They use
keyboard-interactive instead, and it's set up to look to the
user ju
> BTW, I recently got hold of your OS book. Very nice book, especially
> the inferno parts, which was my primary interest when I bought the
> book.
Thanks, Ram. I'm glad you're enjoying it. In the midst of
moving and preparing to return to the classroom this summer,
I plan to get the copyright
> It now
> booted but the username "ram" didn't have
> any of the rc init files.
There's a script in /sys/lib/newuser that sets
up an initial set of scripts and directories
for a newly created user. The newuser(8) man
page give more detail.
BLS
> I'm wondering if anyone can shed some light on growing
> and/or shrinking arena files (i.e., disk partitions).
> With the growing popularity of logical volume management,
> vitrualization, etc., resizing partitions is becoming
> more and more common, and many file systems already
> have "resize"
> Americans aren't really creative with their city
> names. They should learn from the welsh. :)
Yeah, we probably do need more where half of the
consonants are silent :) On the other hand, I
always thought Bucksnort, Tennessee was pretty
creative... Well, maybe creative is too strong
a word---
>>The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
>>
>> 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit
>> 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools
>> 3) Lack of a decent web0browser
>> 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client
>>
> I just activated my Kindle. I mailed myself the PDF of
> gawk.1 (of course).
> At fit-to-screen it's too small, but rotated and increased
> size it's better.
>
> As an emergency place to keep the Plan 9 manuals, it sure
> beats lugging
> around all that paper. :-) I'll be experimenting some
>
> It seems to be failing only when factotum is already
> populated with
> keys (I should point out: keys unrelated to the hosts I'm
> trying to
> login to with the new ssh):
>
> term% sshtun -d
>
> term% ssh2 openbsd
> Verifying server signature
> In rsa_verify for connection: 0
> got error in fa
> After rebuilding nfactotum and
> starting it in a fresh window,
> I'm able to login to all of the previously tried remote
> hosts.
For the reference of future search engines I have a guess
on what you might have been seeing. If in the original
window, you had attempted to run ssh with an instan
> > The client side logs will be in
> /sys/log/ssh
>
> This was not created on my system.
My bad. He only uses syslog when he's in the role
of server, not client.
BLS
> Add this key? (yes, no, session) yes
> ssh2: dial: handshake failed
One other thing that might be instructive is to look
at the logs. The client side logs will be in /sys/log/ssh
and the server's are often in something like /var/log.
They might have something that will help us pinpoint
where it
> After patching ndb/cs and running
> nfactotum, I'm still having
> some trouble getting the new ssh to successfully login to a
> remote system:
>
> term% ssh2 openbsd
> The following key has been offered by the server:
> ek=10001
> ...
>
> Add this key? (yes, no, session) yes
> ssh2: dial: hands
> >> I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation.
> >
> > ...
>
> Let's not take this one completely off the table yet. SSHv2
> would be extremely useful in helping open up communication
> with external systems again.
As Erik said, there is a substantial effort here, probably
more than w
> I can then cd and explore the bell labs sources via
> plan9port, so that
> works just fine.
>
> When I then try something like
>
> cp -ar sources/plan9/sys/src/ape ape
>
> I get an error stating:
> unexpected open flags 050cp: can not open
> ”sources/plan9/sys/src/ape/9src/mkfile” for read
> >> The Wank E5 was AU$50.
>
> Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a
> google search for "wank phone"?
Because it will cost you $4.99 a minute?
> I will rest on my laurels for the remaining of the week...
You've earned it. Congrats and thanks
BLS
> > it should be as simple as 'make 9vx/9vx' issued in
> vx32/src.
>
> knowing the right make target was the stumbling block for
> me too, a few months ago. I'm thinking it should be
> documented. the ADVENTURE file gives wrong instructions (cd
> src; make; make install)
That's what makes it an A
Ron wrote:
> andrey mirtchovski
>
> wrote:
> >> This is great!
> >
> > it is, isn't it? 6 seconds kernel compile, 15 seconds
> turnaround time
> > when developing anything in the kernel (with PXE
> boot). beat that,
> > modern operating systems :)
>
> yes, I had to help config and build a linux k
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