Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

2025-02-22 Thread Jacob Moody
On 2/22/25 15:45, Alyssa M via 9fans wrote: > On Friday, February 21, 2025, at 11:14 PM, Dworkin Muller wrote: >> However, I'm talking about the scenario where you know absolutely nothing >> because you want to find out what this Plan 9 thing, and are starting from >> scratch trying to get an ini

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

2025-02-22 Thread Alyssa M via 9fans
On Friday, February 21, 2025, at 11:14 PM, Dworkin Muller wrote: > However, I'm talking about the scenario where you know absolutely nothing because you want to find out what this Plan 9 thing, and are starting from scratch trying to get an initial installation booted on hardware that may or may no

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

2025-02-22 Thread ron minnich
One thing we've discussed, many times over the years, is creating a small box that would bootstrap a network of Plan 9 systems, i.e. "9 in a box". It would use coraid ether console (CEC), so no need to find a serial port adapter. You would get the box, put it on your network, connect to its conso

Re: [9fans] WORM and chalkboard

2025-02-22 Thread tlaronde
On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 08:52:46AM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote: > I think you?re misunderstanding that 10 second wake up process. Dumps are not > taken every 10 seconds, but once a day. See this part of the paper, slightly > above: > > The Cwrite and Cdirty blocks are created and never removed.

[9fans] NIX this morning

2025-02-22 Thread ron minnich
OK, I'm on what may be the last problem. I was having trouble writing a reproducer, until I wrote one by accident, by fat-fingering %f instead of %d in a print. That caused the problem. Turns out that I'm still not quite handling the fpu right on the AC, which will require some more study of what

Re: [9fans] WORM and chalkboard

2025-02-22 Thread Anthony Sorace
I think you’re misunderstanding that 10 second wake up process. Dumps are not taken every 10 seconds, but once a day. See this part of the paper, slightly above: The Cwrite and Cdirty blocks are created and never removed. Unless something is done to convert these blocks, the c-device will gradu

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

2025-02-22 Thread ori
'#' paths aren't namespaceable, so they should be used very rarely in the system. Quoth Dworkin Muller : > On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 22:45:54 -0600, Jacob Moody wrote: > moody> What do you mean everything uses these # names? > moody> Can you provide some context on what parts of the terminal installat

Re: [9fans] WORM and chalkboard

2025-02-22 Thread tlaronde
Hello Rodrigo, On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 03:25:39PM +0100, Rodrigo G. López wrote: > hi thierry, > > on 9front's cwfs, i think you can mark the file as temporary, then clear > this bit to let the fs dump it as usual. > Thanks for the tip! I missed this part. If this does exist, it will at least s

Re: [9fans] WORM and chalkboard

2025-02-22 Thread Rodrigo G . López
hi thierry, on 9front's cwfs, i think you can mark the file as temporary, then clear this bit to let the fs dump it as usual. can't opine about the earlier versions. cheers! -rodri On Sat, Feb 22, 2025, 13:14 wrote: > WORM is a great idea, allowing to store only the diff and to be > able t

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

2025-02-22 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
I view these driver identifier characters as being roughly the equivalent of the major device numbers used in UNIX/Linux systems behind the scenes, commonly accessed via the files under the /dev heirarchy. I don't think those numbers are really standardized either. On 2/22/25 04:10, tlaro...@

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

2025-02-22 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 02:31:04PM -0800, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > This topic was brought up a few years ago and some helpful suggestions > were made: > > https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc21478a4dc8e2df1-M53e7a145d7e726e30dd4bbed > The keyboard is assigned L'b' (for pc and sgi), and in

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

2025-02-22 Thread Dworkin Muller
On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 22:45:54 -0600, Jacob Moody wrote: moody> What do you mean everything uses these # names? moody> Can you provide some context on what parts of the terminal installation moody> process you felt like required knowledge of sharp paths? moody> What guides are you referring to? I v

[9fans] WORM and chalkboard

2025-02-22 Thread tlaronde
WORM is a great idea, allowing to store only the diff and to be able to version is a bonus. But there is one drawback: when one is modifying rapidly a file (tentatives), it can spoil the worm with useless modifications. The fossil snapshots were a solution (allowing to "commit" on demand). >From

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

2025-02-22 Thread Jacob Moody
On 2/21/25 17:14, Dworkin Muller wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:03:11 -0600, Jacob Moody wrote: > moody> This is not quite the case though, /dev/drivers gives you a mapping of > the > moody> single character names to their "full" names. This name then > corresponds to > moody> their entry withi