Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread Marco Feichtinger
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Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
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Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-03 Thread Ori Bernstein
When you posted questions to a mailing list, pasted them into ChatGPT, and sent the responses back to the list, you made several mistakes. Here are the key points: 1. **Respect for Time**: Sending AI-generated responses that contain inaccuracies or hallucinations wastes the time of those readin

Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-03 Thread Clout Tolstoy
And the cost, the payment people here often seek are useful contributions and well crafted and understandable questions. On Sat, Aug 3, 2024, 6:33 PM Clout Tolstoy wrote: > You have to know your target audience a bit, most people here are old > hats, and not trying to step on any toes, but perh

Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-03 Thread Clout Tolstoy
You have to know your target audience a bit, most people here are old hats, and not trying to step on any toes, but perhaps often on the "spectrum." Plan 9 is often against the grain of modern trends but gets riffed from and not a lot is returned to Plan 9. But, no the real issue here is discourse

Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
I'm not a troll; frustrated, perhaps. I just don't understand this culture. I don't think the issue lies with LLMs, but rather with an unwillingness to cooperate unless there's payment involved. I've never encountered an open-source community quite like this. Creating a separate mailing list to

Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-03 Thread ibrahim via 9fans
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Re: [9fans] Moving files to a USB thumb drive.

2024-08-03 Thread Brian L. Stuart
On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 03:49:36PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote: > jas.smoke via 9fans writes: > > > I want to copy text files from a Windows PC to a Plan 9 computer using a US= > > B thumb drive.=C2=A0 > > Format the thumb drive as a FAT32 filesystem and stick the files > there

Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-03 Thread Bakul Shah via 9fans
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Re: [9fans] Moving files to a USB thumb drive.

2024-08-03 Thread jas.smoke via 9fans
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Re: [9fans] Moving files to a USB thumb drive.

2024-08-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
jas.smoke via 9fans writes: > I want to copy text files from a Windows PC to a Plan 9 computer using a US= > B thumb drive.=C2=A0 Format the thumb drive as a FAT32 filesystem and stick the files there. On the plan9 side, see dossrv(4) and examine /bin/c: for an example of what to do. You'll nee

Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-03 Thread ori
Quoth kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > If I cannot find support and collaboration on 9fans, where can I find active > Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration? In light of the low quality of posts on this list, the p9f set up a new, moderated, 9users list, and sent initial invites to people

Re: [9fans] Moving files to a USB thumb drive.

2024-08-03 Thread ori
Quoth jas.smoke via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > Hi 9fans, > > How do I set up and manage external storage devices in Plan 9?  I would like > to attach a USB thumb drive to move files. > > -Jas > With 9Front, it should show up under /shr/usb automatically. --

Re: [9fans] Improving Plan 9 Documentation

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
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Re: [9fans] Moving files to a USB thumb drive.

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Re: [9fans] Moving files to a USB thumb drive.

2024-08-03 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
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Re: [9fans] Improving Plan 9 Documentation

2024-08-03 Thread sirjofri
Hi, 03.08.2024 22:38:47 kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > This is a follow up from another thread. Here is a revised template. I > removed the contested commands and kept the procedure generic to express an > idea for improving documentation. I share this in hopes of fostering better > ideas for e

[9fans] Moving files to a USB thumb drive.

2024-08-03 Thread jas.smoke via 9fans
Hi 9fans, How do I set up and manage external storage devices in Plan 9?  I would like to attach a USB thumb drive to move files. -Jas -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4f67493d8e7306fc-Mde9490dc851a0dee1678f4c0 Delivery

[9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
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Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
Code serves as a better single source of truth than 9fans. If you rely on 9fans for accuracy, it's understandable to be upset when the quality of posts is lacking. Accurate documentation is crucial when 9fans' quality declines. If everyone shirks responsibility for documentation, the problem wil

[9fans] Improving Plan 9 Documentation

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
This is a follow up from another thread. Here is a revised template. I removed the contested commands and kept the procedure generic to express an idea for improving documentation. I share this in hopes of fostering better ideas for enhancing Plan 9 documentation. It was suggested that we creat

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread sirjofri
03.08.2024 21:06:54 kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > Naom, 9fans isn't a single source of truth, but rather is a place for holding > discussions.  Code doesn't lie. So code is the source of truth. Anything you say about how things work which doesn't match reality, is therefore just wrong or a lie.

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread wb . kloke
Noam is right in most of his text. But I have to add that the following sentence should be taken with some grain of salt.   > If the index is on a separate drive, though - e.g. index on SSD, data on HDDs > - mirrorarenas can be used to keep the arenas in sync between multiple (sets > of) HDDs,

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
khm, if you need validation as an expert, that's on you. Naom, 9fans isn't a single source of truth, but rather is a place for holding discussions.  I see this as a documentation problem. If people can't find information easily, they ask. Without credible documentation, the cycle never ends. We

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread noam
Quoth kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > khm, you can think whatever you like. If true, then all you can do is let it > be. > > My point is accurate information should be easy to find and read if you care about accurate information, the most helpful thing you can do is stop using LLMs. Sincerely, p

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread noam
Quoth kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > Would creating standard operating procedures for newcomers be beneficial? > Having procedures detailing how to administer Venti mirroring on a Plan 9 > system in a wiki seems reasonable. Here is a formatted example of an SOP. I > am sure something better coul

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread Kurt H Maier via 9fans
On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 02:27:14PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > khm, you can think whatever you like. If true, then all you can do is let it > be. I don't need your permission to think whatever I like, and there are tons of other things I can do, like informing you that you're a us

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
khm, you can think whatever you like. If true, then all you can do is let it be. My point is accurate information should be easy to find and read, like in a wiki. Mailing lists are for discussions, not for searching answers. It’s ideal when discussions lead to action items that improve the overa

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread Kurt H Maier via 9fans
On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 02:10:43PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > >     cron '*/5 * * * * fs(3) -m /dev/sdE0/arena /dev/sdE1/arena' > When you generate bullshit with an LLM and then post it without reading it, nobody thinks the LLM is stupid. We think *you* are stupid. khm --

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread kalona . ayeliski
Would creating standard operating procedures for newcomers be beneficial? Having procedures detailing how to administer Venti mirroring on a Plan 9 system in a wiki seems reasonable. Here is a formatted example of an SOP. I am sure something better could be created.   Standard Operating Procedu

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

2024-08-03 Thread noam
Quoth Marco Feichtinger : > venti/mirrorarenas is undocumented, and I couldn't find any topic here, > which goes into more detail. > > So I am curious how does it work, > how does one to set it up, so the arenas get mirrored automatically, > and why do you use it instead of fs(3) mirror? fs(3) c

Re: [9fans] Inferno: starting a process in a stopped state

2024-08-03 Thread Edouard Klein
Thanks Ron :) In DIS assembly, this is written as jmp $0, which can be changed to jmp $1 when I want to disable the loop and spare myself from decreasing all PC offsets in the code. Now, I have another problem: /prog/N/dbgctl can't be written to :/ Here is how to reproduce: Save the file belo

Re: [9fans] How do you control screen brightness?

2024-08-03 Thread Azat Khabibulin
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[9fans] Re: How do you control screen brightness?

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[9fans] Re: How do you control screen brightness?

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[9fans] How do you control screen brightness?

2024-08-03 Thread jas.smoke via 9fans
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