[9fans] iwp9 works in progress

2009-09-11 Thread erik quanstrom
remeber the deadline is october 5. this deadline can't be extended. i think you'll find that it's well worth the time it takes to write things down. - erik

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> > i'm not a linguist, but the linguists i know subscribe to the > > viewpoint that the written and spoken language are separate. > > and evolve separately. i would derive from this that writability > > is independent of pronouncability. > > If a sequence of symbols corresponds to something from

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread Eris Discordia
your first problem was whether japanese would have some sort of new or unique problem with an alphabet given the absence of certain syllables (like shi) from the language. the answer is, of course, no: the language would fall into either of the two extant conventions for dealing with the syllable:

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> That's true but isn't exactly the same thing. "Irregularly" pronounced > combinations are still valid combinations. I'd say the universal example > for languages that are written in Latin alphabet or a variation thereof > would be the (notorious) 'fgsfds.' It's an invalid combination because

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread Anthony Sorace
that's a whole different problem, though. your first problem was whether japanese would have some sort of new or unique problem with an alphabet given the absence of certain syllables (like shi) from the language. the answer is, of course, no: the language would fall into either of the two extant

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread Eris Discordia
lots of romance languages have exactly that characteristic, though (maybe other languages, too). see C and G in italian. "ci" is simply pronounced "correctly" as "chi". That's true but isn't exactly the same thing. "Irregularly" pronounced combinations are still valid combinations. I'd say the

Re: [9fans] "Blocks" in C

2009-09-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: > On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 15:15 -0300, Iruata Souza wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Bakul Shah > > > > wrote: > > > int x; > > > > > > void trash_x() { x = -42; } > > > > > > ... ^{ trash_x(); } ... > > > > > > My view: if you c

Re: [9fans] "Blocks" in C

2009-09-11 Thread Roman V Shaposhnik
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 15:15 -0300, Iruata Souza wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > > int x; > > > > void trash_x() { x = -42; } > > > > ... ^{ trash_x(); } ... > > > > My view: if you can't solve a problem cleanly and in a > > general way with a feature, it does not belon

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread Anthony Sorace
lots of romance languages have exactly that characteristic, though (maybe other languages, too). see C and G in italian. "ci" is simply pronounced "correctly" as "chi".

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread Eris Discordia
http://thinkzone.wlonk.com/Language/Korean.htm Interesting. I used to think Korean, too, uses a syllabary. Turns out it's expressed alphabetically. Expressing Japanese that way would create some space for confusion as there are certain sounds that never combine with certain other sounds, e.g.

Re: [9fans] "Blocks" in C

2009-09-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Iruata Souza wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Bakul Shah > > > wrote: > > On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:31:28 PDT David Leimbach > wrote: > >> > >> Having wrestled with this stuff a little bit, and written "something". > I > >> can immediately see how one ca

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread Eris Discordia
anyway, the general idea is that it can compose kanji from strings of hiragana. it's also been used for other languages (although my memory of that says it was mostly for the transliteration function, rather than the compositing function). is it possible to do something similar for the hanzi, comp

Re: [9fans] "Blocks" in C

2009-09-11 Thread Iruata Souza
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:31:28 PDT David Leimbach  wrote: >> >> Having wrestled with this stuff a little bit, and written "something".  I >> can immediately see how one can get away from needing to "select" in code so >> much, and fire off blocks

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> I don't know anything about Korean writing system or IMEs but since CJK > ideographs (most importantly Han characters) are involved similar > statements may apply. for korean per ce, there are only 24 characters: http://thinkzone.wlonk.com/Language/Korean.htm one would imagine that han input

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread Anthony Sorace
i know very little about existing chinese input methods, so this is more a question for my own understanding than a suggestion, but: there is ktrans for Plan 9; the latest version i'm aware of is described here: http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/s39.html although that page is a bit

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread Eris Discordia
Maybe it makes a sence to make something like this in Plan9 (an analog kbmap) for typing complex symbols like an hieroglyph ? Your method is in essence what Microsoft's IME on Windows and various IMEs on UNIX-likes (such as SCUM) use. However, an IME for inputting from a list of over twenty th

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread Alexander Sychev
Hello! Some time ago I wrote for inferno an analog of kbmap with an extention - a possibility to print complex symbols via sequences of more basic symbols. I use it for typing by the russian translit. Here is a piece of file for my kbmap: 1 45 0

Re: [9fans] nice quote

2009-09-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> If you noticed the code is a bit fussy, it's because it was > written to use on an fpga-based soft cpu (nios2) with no > hardware divide instruction and no floating point. It should > run pretty effortlessly on your core i7. it seems significantly less fussy than resample. evidently, i didn't l

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> HI..everyone: >Is there some ways to input Simplified Chinese in plan 9 ? I > know plan 9 supports Unicode, so it is no questions for plan 9 to > display Simplified Chinese... and i have seen some pictures on > Internet to prove it...so i have a question like that above... >I'm lo

[9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

2009-09-11 Thread xiangyu
HI..everyone: Is there some ways to input Simplified Chinese in plan 9 ? I know plan 9 supports Unicode, so it is no questions for plan 9 to display Simplified Chinese... and i have seen some pictures on Internet to prove it...so i have a question like that above... I'm looking forwar

Re: [9fans] nice quote

2009-09-11 Thread Richard Miller
>> It's in /n/sources/contrib/miller/resize.c > ... > i modified resize to accept the same arguments as resample. > it is blistering on my machine. If you noticed the code is a bit fussy, it's because it was written to use on an fpga-based soft cpu (nios2) with no hardware divide instruction and n