On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> take it easy on the porn and get some real sex, eris. you're way too
>> angry.
>
> Sir, yessir! The Marines don't do Japanese, sir!
Clearly you've never been to Iwakuni.
I was going to give it a rest. Really. But I couldn't overcome my bad
habits. They outnumber me ten to one ;-)
You're right; it isn't. Is that good or bad? What about in an office
environment? Same answer there?
Plan 9's aptitude for becoming easily distributed--that is, becoming
decentraliz
>the correct namespace I would guess, you did do the import before you started
>cifs?
Hmm... I used consolefs to the /srv/fscons to add srv -A test
then as my user I could do \\myplan9server\test and get the root of the drive.
Looks like a namespace issue after all.
However, might this prevent u
>the correct namespace I would guess, you did do the import before you started
>cifs?
What is there to import? I did this from the cpu/auth/fs server console:
/rc/bin/service/startcifs
>I think you should be able to connect to \\myplan9server\root implying 9fs
>root,
>though this is just your
the correct namespace I would guess, you did do the import before you started
cifs?
I think you should be able to connect to \\myplan9server\root implying 9fs root,
though this is just your fossil file system, so /dev/ will be fairly empty.
-Steve
Not (currently) a Plan 9 user, but I gotta chime in:
It seems the security ascribed to disposable machines comes from that "user
data" is stored on a different, presumably safer, machine in, for example,
some sort of data warehouse at a data center. This isn't a new
idea--actually, it's _very
>The trick you want is in /rc/bin/service/startcifs - this may not be exactly
>the code you want but it demonstrates the technique you need.
>
>-Steve
That gets me a hair closer. \\myplan9server\local is still empty after using
startcfs, though executing
9fs local
ls /n/local
gives me a listi
The trick you want is in /rc/bin/service/startcifs - this may not be exactly
the code you want but it demonstrates the technique you need.
-Steve
Suppose I want to have Windows clients be able to connect to their
/usr/ share via SMB.
Plan 9 comes with aquarela, but from the man page, and my own testing, it
apparently only calls 9fs where is whatever you type after the \,
such that in my case:
\\myplan9server\benhu
will properly prompt
I'm sorry, but this needs a comment.
On Aug 20, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:
As Pietro demonstrated, no interface configuration is necessary here.
Only because the concept is hidden in Plan 9, though I don't know
how. _Someone_ or _something_ has to decide whether to route your
Thank you, sqweek. The second golden Golden Apple with καλλιστι on
it is totally yours. The first one went to Russ Cox.
You don't care who mounts what where, because the rest of the system
doesn't notice the namespace change.
So essentially there shouldn't be a problem with mounting on a sin
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:58 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You only need a cpu
>> server if you want to let other machines run processes on your
>> machine. You only need an auth server if you want to serve resources
>> to a remote machine.
>
> i don't think this is accurate.
>
>
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:56 AM, hiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi my friends,
> I have a question which I'm really concerned about.
> Please tell me: can java coding be fun?
> I would be very grateful for a serious answer since I'm trying to
> decide what to do in the next 20 years or so.
> T
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:42 PM, David Leimbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> The only thing I'd miss in Acme vs emacs then, most likely, for lisp-like
> languages is paren-matching.
> And I'd miss it dearly.
>
>
Double click on the paren selects the area enclosed by the matching paren.
--
> You only need a cpu
> server if you want to let other machines run processes on your
> machine. You only need an auth server if you want to serve resources
> to a remote machine.
i don't think this is accurate.
You only need a cpu server if you want to let /multiple users/ run
processes on your
hiro schrieb:
Hi my friends,
I have a question which I'm really concerned about.
Please tell me: can java coding be fun?
I would be very grateful for a serious answer since I'm trying to
decide what to do in the next 20 years or so.
Thank You,
hiro
In prinziple yes! But fun and profit are th
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> No. Private namespaces.
>
> And how does that solve the problem of whom to trust with mounting?
You don't care who mounts what where, because the rest of the system
doesn't notice the namespace change. But it sounds li
Hi my friends,
I have a question which I'm really concerned about.
Please tell me: can java coding be fun?
I would be very grateful for a serious answer since I'm trying to
decide what to do in the next 20 years or so.
Thank You,
hiro
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:14 AM, sqweek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Wendell xe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My nutshell evaluation of Acme is that it is for systems-level coding in
> C on modest-sized projects. It seems very well designed for that purpose but
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Wendell xe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My nutshell evaluation of Acme is that it is for systems-level coding in C on
> modest-sized projects. It seems very well designed for that purpose but
> quickly becomes awkward as you move away. It is definitely not suited
On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ACLs were invented long ago.
yes, I like clean and simple solutions too.
iru
One of the central tenets of Plan 9 is that everything is a file. So
all file based activities are really, really easy.
Most OO programming appears to follow a more DB oriented style (at
least those with horrendous packaging/module mechanisms). That files
are used to store your programs appears to
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Wendell xe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Acme is often compared to vi/emacs as a power-user's tool with a different
> operating paradigm. It is, but I think people wrongly point to the
> keyboard/mouse issue as the basic difference. The real difference is that
>
When I saw the length of the Acme thread, I thought "Wow, so much information!"
But it turned out to be mostly flamage. Can't we all just get along?{C}
I don't believe in a single best IDE any more than a single best language. What
is best depends on both the particular work and the coder's pers
On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Code page 1252, ANSI Latin I. Presumably the one most widely used.
Thanks. It was intended as a rhetorical question though.
Gr. Sander.
> --On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:44 AM +0200 Sander van Dijk
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On 8/
Code page 1252, ANSI Latin I. Presumably the one most widely used.
--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:44 AM +0200 Sander van Dijk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...] Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII.
Which one?
As will I. This thread has become pointless. I'm done attacking this
guy. If you need me, I'll be making good programs in Plan 9 or
watching stuff in iTunes.
On Aug 20, 2008, at 4:16 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
Sorry for feeding the troll, I will shut up.
-Steve
The ascii that is 8 bits is not the true ascii.
I answered that one.
No. Private namespaces.
And how does that solve the problem of whom to trust with mounting? Or with
configuring a network interface? If someone has access to, say, eth0 then
they have access to eth0. No amount of privat
Eris wants no sisters, but she has a _big_ bro and he's called Ares.
Help me, bro! Show them some muscles. I showed them intellect, to no avail.
Perhaps the muscles do the job.
--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:04 AM -0700 erik discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Eris can be a real bitch
Read the rest of the paragraph you're responding to. Or "stop feeding the
troll" as the big bosses advised you.
--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:12 AM +0100 matt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What's the Plan 9 way of solving that? Trusting the user at the
terminal?
yes, no other things r
However, this is just wrong. NT was Unicode from the beginning, even
at the kernel level.
You're right. My fault. MSDN says NT was Unicode from the beginning.
--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:56 AM -0400 Robert William Fuller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Eris Discordia wrote:
MS-DOS never
twenty years ago i was asked by a journalist to similarly explain why
i was using UNIX.
i ended up saying "UNIX says screw you, i agree". it was one of the
few random comments he didn't print.
no 9fan needs to ask. they just get the job done because they know
that what they are doing is much more
Eris Discordia wrote:
MS-DOS never had Unicode support. Neither did any Windows version up to
3.1, NT 3.5, and 95. NT 4 introduced it into the Microsoft sphere in
1996. In 5-6 years--from 1996 to 2001--Windows surpassed Plan 9 in
Unicode handling, in all practical aspects.
I'm pretty far from
What's the Plan 9 way of solving that? Trusting the user at the terminal?
yes, no other things required, you fail (as per usual)
Eris can be a real bitch sometimes. For those who haven't picked up on the
root of her name, Eris Discordia, just check out wikipedia and the general
annoyance that are us discordians (and our corresponding goddess, Eris).
The only way to deal with a discordian is to filter it, or ignore it. I'd
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under your job description aswell?
>
> No. I looked it up in Microsoft Windows' Character Map. Saw it was below
> 255. Knew UTF-8 corresponds to ASCII in lower character codes (not su
If Mr. Edison thought a bit more, he wouldn't have to sweat so much.
But it was Tesla who died in poverty, I remember. And it's his spectre
that's attracting the "Tesla coil" conspiracy theories. Not to mention the
horrendous amount of baseless claims around his inventions and discoveries.
Ed
I don't get this, ™ is the unicode character 2122, not ASCII. I agree
it could be generated on a MS-DOS pretty much any byte sequence could
be, but I doubt even DOS 6.22 had unicode support, so you would have to
translate it to a code page reprisentation and load the correct fonts.
You're right
On 8/20/08, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [...] Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII.
Which one?
"Thank you."
--On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:16 AM +0100 Steve Simon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry for feeding the troll, I will shut up.
-Steve
Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under your job description aswell?
No. I looked it up in Microsoft Windows' Character Map. Saw it was below
255. Knew UTF-8 corresponds to ASCII in lower character codes (not sure
7-bit or 8-bit). Figured it could as well be 8-bit ASCII.
ifconfig: only
That stack has been implemented in vim. There're nearly 500 different
syntax matching and highlighting schemes for vim, and there's a simple
language for writing your own schemes. Why not use vi?
To paraphrase Tesla :
If Mr. Edison thought a bit more, he wouldn't have to sweat so much.
None of the above, I write embedded code, my employer has a clear enough
vision to allow me to use whatever OS I like, provided I get the job in
hand done, which I clearly do.
You have a _very_ flexible employer there.
I'am afraid I am not willing to discuss the details of my job with you,
how
style(6) says not to convert tabs to spaces.
I see. People on Plan 9 are "told" which characters they "should" or
"shouldn't" use in their text. Great!
An awk program can do this. The idea is to interpret tags as they come in
the form of a stack:
codestack
Enlighten me, then. Revealing a date of commencement won't comprise a
breach of non-disclosure, would it?
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:34 PM -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.
as i suspected, you're here for therapy.
_Intense_ therapy.
i can see you're bitter.
Not very much. The "researching" and "submitting" and hoyvin' mayvin' is
going to be my bane, too. In a different field. Namely, differential
geometry. More specifically, Finsler geometry. To be exact, fin
Oh, I'm waiting for a phone call before bed. What the hell.
Sleep tight. Every night.
My job includes some programming, some document writing, lots of reading.
Programming _for_ Plan 9? Document writing _for_ Plan 9? Reading _about_
Plan 9?
I'm, of course, benignly assuming you create "us
therapy?
_Intense_ therapy.
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:12 PM -0700 Skip Tavakkolian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?
therapy?
should be "Just stay away from Acme if you aren't lucky enough to be
stuck with Plan 9".
Could be. Only _luck_ could make you that miserable; reason does a better
job. Also, you could be a little funnier.
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:11 PM -0700 Skip Tavakkolian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry for feeding the troll, I will shut up.
-Steve
"Thank you."
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:13 PM -0300 Iruata Souza
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
eris, I agree, thanks.
iru
No, that's not the UNIX philosophy. That's the X/Linux/GNU philosophy. Go
read "Program Design in the UNIX Environment" by Kernighan and Pike to
see what I mean.
Get educated. Don't you even know where X came from?
Just a funny idea: have you noticed that the "Kernighan, Pike, Ritchie,
Thomspo
Did your language training involve being taught the difference between a
work/task and a job/profession?
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:08 PM -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
// Others, like me, have some "petty" work to do. Like knowing which
// character on which line they're editing or cont
> Steve Simon's trademark character, I presume, was generated by
> [Alt]+0153--you call [Alt] an "Option" key, right?
nope, Alt,T,M
> Well below 255, it's
> just extended/8-bit ASCII. Not right-to-left, not even out of ISO 8859. You
> could generate that character even on MS-DOS.
I don't get
> 1. Maintaining a Plan 9 system?
> 2. Programming a Plan 9 system?
> 3. Researching a Plan 9 system?
> 4. Or you got some job other than jobs created _around_ Plan 9 and you use
> Plan 9?
None of the above, I write embedded code, my employer has a clear enough vision
to allow me to use whatever
Eris Discordia schrieb:
Been there, done that.
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:00 PM -0400 Pietro Gagliardi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have an idea, Eris. Why don't you fuck off and actually USE Plan 9 for
once?
"Unspeakable horrors from outer space paralyze the living and resurr
Been there, done that.
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:00 PM -0400 Pietro Gagliardi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have an idea, Eris. Why don't you fuck off and actually USE Plan 9 for
once?
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