Re: Administrivia: DMARC mitigations enabled -- applies to Yahoo addresses, at least (was Re: HYPERKITTY does not show messages parts being addressed in replies.)
Allegedly, on or about 27 March 2018, Todd Zullinger sent: > All that said, the best solution would be to stop using > @yahoo.com as a mail provider -- at least for mailing lists. > They have repeatedly caused grief to the folks that manage > the Fedora Project mail systems. And that'll only work until the next mail service provider does the same thing (insist mail addressed from them goes through them). Which, supposedly, they should all be doing. Likewise, with the converse. Recipient mail service providers insisting that mail from somewhere must come through them, regardless of the fact that's not always practical or possible. Case in point; many of us have our own domains, and will use them to the fullest extent (use our domain name, post through our servers), yet our ISPs interfere (intercept passing mail, and route it through their own servers). In some ways I don't mind the notion that a mail server may remove our addresses from the post, preventing spam from personally reaching us, and stopping private replies. But it heads towards anonymising the mail, making it easier for someone to be an ass, or impersonate other people. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. If 2001: A Space Odyssey taught us anything, it's that Siri will, one day, murder us all. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
multiple GUI logins and mounting external drives
Hi, If I use the GUI switch user feature, so that two users are currently logged into the same PC, graphically (and you can switch between them using CTRL+ALT+F1 and CTRL+ALT+F2), I frequently find that whenever I plug in a USB drive, or SD card, that nothing pops up on the login that I'm using. It nearly always pops an authentication window on the other login. It doesn't matter which one I'm currently using, it nearly always uses the other one. Surely the system knows which one is currently on- display, and should use that one? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
Allegedly, on or about 29 March 2018, home user via users sent: > Earlier this afternoon, from Thunderbird running on a windows-7 box, > I sent 2 messages from yahoo account #1 to yahoo account #2, each > with different few-megabyte (not mega-pixel) picture attached. I > also sent 1 message from yahoo account #1 to yahoo account #3; it had > one few-megabyte picture attached (different from the 2 sent to yahoo > account #2). > > 1. I booted up my Fedora workstation. > 2. As soon as it was ready, I logged in. > 3. As soon as that was done, I launched Evolution. > 4. As soon as that was done, I signed in to yahoo account #2. > 5. As soon as that was done, I selected the one of the new messages > from yahoo account #1. It downloaded in under 5 seconds. Sounds reasonable. > 6. I then immediately asked to display the picture in "xv". The > picture was immediately displayed. Again, good. Evolution is quite quick at decoding enclosed/attached files > ...[snip similar events]... > In Thunderbird, these downloads would have taken over half an hour. Definitely not right. I might expect a few seconds difference between some mail programs, nothing more. > Other things that I notice in Thunderbird: > * Sending a message with an attached picture is a few times faster > than downloading a message with an attached picture. This is despite > my ISP's download speed being about 10 times faster than the upload > speed. Do you have junk filtering (and similar things) enabled? They can slow things down (not by that amount, though), as each message is checked. There'd probably be some remote access involved, too, with databases of anti-spam information. > * Downloading a Sent folder message with an attached picture is > clearly faster that downloading an Inbox message with an attached > picture. Do you also have filtering rules? (e.g. Auto-sorting mail into different folders.) Some programs are extremely slow when filtering incoming mail. > * Downloading a new or very recent Inbox message with an attached > picture seems to be faster than downloading an old Inbox message with > an attached picture. Probably due to caching. There'd be a brief check to see whether you already have the data, whether your data is the same as the servers, then you'll just view your previously cached data. > Evolution never showed any messages as having empty bodies. (yahoo > account #2 is the account to which Fedora users list messages are > sent.) Most such messages do show up as having empty bodies in > Thunderbird (the issue of this thread). So the problem is not just > yahoo e-mail; it's not the operating system or display manager. That > leaves Thunderbird at least in part. There definitely seems to be at > least two problems here. I can't recall if you said whether you had a pristine install. (Fedora as a new install or over an old install. Thunderbird as it comes, or with extra add-ons installed, etc.) Nor whether you'd looked at the raw message source, to see whether it'd been downloaded and simply wasn't being rendered in the viewing window. I know that, at times, you do get mangled mail, and some mail clients are better at handling that than others. Multi-part mail (such as large digests) are probably going to be the worst culprits. > > Tim: > Evolution apparently starts some processes either on boot-up or on > login. I did not put anything in my login scripts. Where are these > processes being launched? I'm using MATE: System menu, Preferences sub-section, Personal sub-sub-section, Startup Applications menu item Or, from the command line: mate-session-properties Old Gnome 2 was virtually the same. KDE will have a similar feature, likewise with some other desktop environments. In the startup applications, there's an Evolution Alarm Notify app. That'll partially fire up Evolution as you login to a session. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Evolution keeps on telling me that it's refreshing, but I still want to go and get a drink. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: html to man page
Allegedly, on or about 2 April 2018, Cameron Simpson sent: > I have to say I've very -1 on anything that uses XML as a source > format for human written content. It is massively hostile to > authoring by hand. As I recall, it's meant to be human understandable (and editable with a plain text editor), but meant to be using XML editing software for actually creating it. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Windows, it's enough to make a grown man cry! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
mail quoting issues (was Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails)
Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Samuel Sieb sent: > Careful with the quoting. Maybe it's related to the html format of > the email, but your text appears as part of what you quoted There's a bunch of mail clients that stupidly extend the quote symbols beyond the quoted text (Evolution included), and if you don't delete them (which Evolution often refuses with HTML messages), or carriage return even more space between quote and reply, that kind of thing happens. Sometimes Evolution will join quoted text and replies, even when there's clearly an empty blank line between them in the editor. In all the years I've been messaging on the internet, Forte Agent was about the only one that could quote to my satisfaction (YAM and PINE on the Amiga coming close). It did quoted text with neatly packed >>> multi-generation quote symbols (no straggling spaces between them), could quote verbatim, could re-wrap quotes without mangling, could neatly interrupt quoted paragraphs, did line wrapping properly, managed to identify the difference between quoted text and replies without a blank line between them... Out of what I've tried on Linux, Evolution is the least worst (Thunderbird, Claws, kmail, balsa, being the ones that I can remember off the top of my head). Spread across them, awful quoting, hideous interface, terrible listing, etc. Web interface ones are two awful, and inconvenient, to bother with. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Programmers who can't take criticisms shouldn't release software that invites it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
Bob Goodwin: > Yes, and Thunderbird is set to send plain text to this list, it > never seems to work, so to be sure I change it in "Options," except > when I forget. You have the list address in your address book, set to only receive plain text? Considering that you're using HTML colouring to make it easier for you to read what you're doing, I would have thought there'd be an accessibility option that simply changed your display of it, without doing the actual message that way. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. When it comes to electronics, I'm slightly biased. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F27 : startx Xfce fails
Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Rick Stevens sent: > The final thing I'd validate is that if you have an > /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, rename or move it and let the system sort > things out without the help of that file. Also check for video setting files in: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ I forgot about that when, recently, changing a motherboard. Took me some time before I realised there was a file in there for my prior video card. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. - Mwuu haha ha h, soon the world will be mine! - Sir, you've got to take your finger off the intercom button. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Issues trying to lock-down display resolution and overscan
Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Go Canes sent: > The first is overscan - the NUC is used as a media PC, and is hooked > up via an A/V receiver to a HDTV using HDMI. Unfortunately there > doesn't seem to be a way to tell the TV to turn off the overscan. Are you able to rename the input socket used on the TV? On some sets, if you name it "PC," it will switch off overscan. Your "zooming" problem is probably related. > The third issue is that sometimes I lose the display more-or-less > completely. I switch the receiver to the NUC, and I get a black > screen. If I reboot (via a ssh session), I get nothing. To get the > display back, I have to poweroff and cold boot. The login screen is > fine, but after logging-in, KDE seems to be set for a lower > resolution (800x600?) than the TV is using (1080i), and I have go > into "System Settings" to correct it - which is difficult when you > can't really read the display very well! I've seen that kind of thing where Linux is setting resolutions automatically based on the monitor's capabilities. But, at the time that X was figuring this information out, the monitor hadn't come out of standby mode, and wasn't responding to probes. Does that sound like the timing of events with your issue? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Windows (TM) [Typhoid Mary]. They refuse to believe that there's anything wrong with it, but everyone else knows Windows is a disease that spreads. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: html to man page
Allegedly, on or about 4 April 2018, Sam Varshavchik sent: > I find Docbook XML to be irreplacable, when it comes to writing > technical documentation that serves as a single source of both manual > pages and publishable HTML. I'm pretty sure I've looked at Docbook, though could have been another thing. But what I found when using *some* form of intermediate language, that the conversions to other forms were not optimal. I might write a page with headings and subheadings, properly in sequence, and text between. Like: Pancakes Ingredients Flour Milk etc... Method And so on, and so forth... Only to find out the translation has lost the context, converting plain headings into stylised generic headings all of the same hierarchy. Or that straight-forward attributes (name="something") get butchered into garbage (name="g12"). Or that your two languages have no overlap in being able to do the same thing, albeit using different methods, and content gets butchered into inappropriate simulations of what you were trying to do. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux cures Windows pains. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
Allegedly, on or about 5 April 2018, Samuel Sieb sent: > Yes, as I suspected, Evolution just grabs the whole message instead > of asking the server about the different parts. I think that means > that Thunderbird would be able to show the message without > downloading any large attachments, but Evolution will not show the > message until the whole thing is downloaded. Anyway, the Yahoo IMAP > implementation apparently doesn't like what Thunderbird is asking for > and chokes. While I know that an IMAP server *can* be asked to send the message (text portion) and separately deal with attachments (ignore or fetch), I understood this to be a rarely implemented feature (on client or server). And I'd be rather surprised that it would work with a large mail with numerous sections/attachments (such as MIME digest mail). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux servers are always being dæmonised... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: html to man page
Allegedly, on or about 5 April 2018, Sam Varshavchik sent: > This is not Docbook XML. I know that. I was using an example of something in HTML (forgetting to mention that), that's simple to read, but often gets mangled when translating between different mark-up languages. Convert back and forth, and that simple bit of writing turns into a convoluted block of unnecessary gumph. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Well somebody had to eat the last biscuit. You're just miffed that it wasn't you. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: HW and SW threats: how to block?
Allegedly, on or about 12 April 2018, home user via users sent: > Ad-blockers are not sufficient. So let's please get back to the > original question. There are several coin-mining blockers available > for Firefox. Based on your experience, which is most effective? I would hazard a guess that script and Flash blockers would kill them. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Windows (TM) [Typhoid Mary]. They refuse to believe that there's anything wrong with it, but everyone else knows Windows is a disease that spreads. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Power settings wrong or battery dying?
Allegedly, on or about 12 April 2018, sixpack13 sent: > do you got a setting "calibrate battery" or simular named in your > BIOS (seen in samsung's) ? > maybe, try it before buying a new battery. On one device, that was the end of my battery. It immediately went from being not too good, to just lasting a few seconds. Whether it was really the death of the battery, or just that the battery monitoring circuit radically changed its threshold, I'll never know. It was a one-way trip. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. This email brought to you by potato omelates ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Issues trying to lock-down display resolution and overscan
Allegedly, on or about 16 April 2018, Go Canes sent: > why would a power-cycle clear it, while a reboot doesn't? Badly implemented power saving routines in the hardware (graphics chipset in your computer, or the monitor)? Or bad detection of a link between equipment. It reminds me of the number of times I've had to pull out the plug and put it back in again, to get USB devices to work, or even my HDMI computer monitor. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Lucky for you I typed this, you'd never be able to read my handwriting. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: NFS setup -
Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2018, Bob Goodwin sent: > So I guess it boils down to how do I tell NFS to store data in /home > instead of "/"? I've been looking at this and can't see what to > change, or maybe it can';t be fixed that way? I'm not sure of which side of the equation you're approaching this from. The /etc/exports file on a server exports directories on its own filesystem for external clients to use. This points to where files will actually come and go from. So if you have a filing system like: /huge-storage-space-wrong /huge-storage-space-correct (Which doesn't actually matter what partition those mount points are on.) Then change the listing in the exports file, and move any existing files from one to the other, on the fileserver. The /etc/fstab file points to where devices get mounted onto the directory tree. If you have mounts like /dev/wrong-device pointing to /my-preferred-storage-space Simply change the device to the one you actually want. -- Likewise, with NFS clients. They'll map your exported fileserver directories onto local ones. You can map them (almost) anywhere you want to. For permanent mounts, you can set them up in /etc/fstab with the server address pointing to the local mount point. For autofs automatic mounting, the trend is to auto-mount things inside a /net directory (which you create), and when you try to access /net/name-of-your-fileserver/name-of-your-exported-filesystem, it auto- mounts it in there/ --- Which of those scenarios are you trying to work through? NB: There's a few gotchas about NFSing things about: If you export unusual directories, or mount things in unusual places, you may have to contend with SELinux shenanigans (including bizarre unable-to-do-something kind of errors without an explanation that points to SELinux). It's usual that the numerical user IDs (and group IDs) of your users have to be the same on server and client. Yes, NFSv4 supposedly can map "tim" between user 1023 on one PC and user 1075 on another, but that doesn't always work without a configuration fight. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Evolution keeps on telling me that it's refreshing, but I still want to go and get a drink. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: NFS setup -
Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2018, Bob Goodwin sent: > From the client /etc/fstab: > 192.168.1.86:/exports/home//mnt/test/nfs4defaults0 0 Okay, looks normal. The server has /exports/home making it available to your LAN. When your client saves into its /mnt/test/, files will be saved into the server's /exports/home/ > I guess it boils down to how do I tell NFS to store data in /home > instead of "/"? I've been looking at this and can't see what to > change, or maybe it can';t be fixed that way? One solution: Stop exporting that directory (so there's no confusion in the change). Move the current contents from /exports/home/ to /home/exports/home/ Change your server's details in its /etc/exports to the new location. Change your client's details in their /etc/fstab to the new location. Now, when clients write to their /mnt/test/, they'll be writing into your other partition, at /home/exports/home/ You may want to rename some directories to be less confusing paths. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Lucky for you I typed this, you'd never be able to read my handwriting. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Wacom Bamboo Slate and Fedora 27+
Allegedly, on or about 18 April 2018, Jeremy Eder sent: > I'm constantly drawing workflows/diagrams on a notepad...I like the > freedom of ink and paper. I then manually convert the useful ones to > google draw/lucidcharts. I stumbled on this https://www.wacom.com/en > -us/products/smartpads/bamboo-slate … and am intrigued. I have a whacking great big huge Wacom drawing tablet (A3) sized, but it is an older one. I just plug it into the USB socket and the system recognises it like some kind of track pad, and programs like GIMP let me draw with it. Didn't have to do anything more than plug it in. You might want to google the particular model you're interested in along with keywords like linux compatibility. You may find that it simply "just works." This [1] suggests that support was on the way, a while ago, albeit for a different flavour of Linux, maybe by now someone's built a working package. I haven't gone searching in depth to see if there's any further development. The developer [2] has a blog. 1: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/wacom-smartpad-linux-support-bamboo 2: http://who-t.blogspot.com.au/2018/01/tuhi-daemon-to-support-wacom-smartpad.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Who-t+(Who-T) Your other avenue is to look into how to make use of github projects, in general, then see if you can try the one for this drawing tablet. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. The internet, your opportunity to learn from other peoples' mistakes. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dependency failed for Suspend
Allegedly, on or about 19 April 2018, Neal Becker sent: > Perhaps the messages are not related to the suspend issue. But the > symptoms are very strange. The laptop appears to suspend (power > light changes from on to flashing), but at a random time later > (seconds to minutes later), it wakes itself up again! Only thing I > could think of is WOL, but it's not connected to wired enet. Other BIOS wake-up methods? Wake on mouse, perhaps, if a slight bump has made the mouse move. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Moments after you've soldered the wires onto the plug just perfectly, you'll realise that you forgot to put the backshell on. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mate Session + child Caja consuming 98% of io badwidth to/from boot drive
Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2018, JD sent: > I had no idea tha Caja would be doing this, and what's > more is that all it's i/o was to/from the boot disk. > > About 30 minutes after I sent the email, it's i/o load > wen down back to near zero. Perhaps a thumbnailer plug-in trawling through large files trying to build up preview icons for the files? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: The /crypt method to support habitual clean installs of Fedora without losing data
Allegedly, on or about 2 May 2018, Rick Stevens sent: > You'd run into the exact same thing if you updated, say Mozilla, from > one version to one that's incompatible with the old one. You'd need > to blow all the users' ".mozilla" directories away in that case. Why > go through all this? If a given user has a problem, then have them > delete their app-specific directory and let them reconfigure the app. Actually, that's a good example to pick on (Mozilla or Thunderbird). You (might) want to discard old configurations that might have conflicts, but keep bookmarks and mail. So you have to be choosy about what hidden directories you erase. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. When it comes to electronics, I'm slightly biased. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: The /crypt method to support habitual clean installs of Fedora without losing data
Allegedly, on or about 2 May 2018, Temlakos sent: > One of you (I don't know who it was) shared with me an excellent > method of making possible a clean reinstallation of Fedora--going > above and beyond the "manual upgrade" described in the Installation > Guide, that amounts to erasing the /root directory but leaving alone > all other directories, not only /home but /usr, /etc, /bin, /tmp, > /var, and any others I might have left out. This method preserves > user data on a physically separate filesystem (an HDD or SSD). But it > does not mount this separate filesystem as /home. The /home directory > remains a part of the main filesystem and gets erased and > reinaugurated, just like /usr, /etc, /var, and all the rest of them. If you have two drives, simply keep the user homes on one, and install the system on the other (erasing it before a new install). That would be the most obvious simple way to handle it. A slightly more complex way to handle it is to let the system install everything, including home on one drive (so that software configuration, including user configuration), is fresh and installed in the usual manner. And in each /home/username put a symlink to the other drive, and have the users store all their own files (the ones that they save, download, and create) on the second drive. Shortened synopsis of the main drive: / /bin/ /home/ /home/fred/ /home/jane/ Synopsis of the data drive: /data/ /data/fredsdata/ /data/janesdata/ Inside /home/fred make a link to /data/fredsdata Inside /home/jane make a link to /data/janesdata ln -s -t /home/fred /data/fredsdata etc... (Naturally, check the man file that I've stated the command line syntax correctly). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
dynamic IP assignment (was: Re: need help with printer set-up.)
Allegedly, on or about 9 May 2018, Doug sent: > (I have a number of computers, as well as two printers, at present, > and it drives me crazy that dynamic ip assignment by the router uses > the same address for more than one device!) It could be that your router only is able to assign a small number of IPs, either by a configuration choice, or it's hard-coded. If it's a hard-coded shortcoming, you'd be best to use something else as your DHCP server (such as one of your computers, or a new router). Or, to switch off DHCP, and let another protocol handle address assignment (ZeroConf, Bonjour, etc). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: SOLVED: cruft, bad ldconfig path Re: qutebrowser fails with a certificate error in F28 - Seems that it is looking for linux-vdso.so.1 and not finding it in libnssckbi.so
Allegedly, on or about 10 May 2018, stan sent: > This turned out to be a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d that had a path set > to /usr/local/lib/firefox. When I removed that file and ran > ldconfig, qutebrowser started just fine. And it had no effect on > running nightly (firefox), which is installed in that directory along > with the libraries it needs by mach. I probably set it at some time > in the past to get nightly to start because of a library conflict > with the fedora packaged firefox. It was dated January of this year. It's usually not a good idea to fix problems by hitting them with a big hammer, instead let the packager fix the faults, so that everything "just works." But when you do take that approach, keep a log of your manual fixes, to aid with with future debugging. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Windows tablets are more like suppositories. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nagios "Unrecognized character \\x7F; marked by <-- HERE after tatus.cgi
Allegedly, on or about 10 May 2018, Alex sent: > I've done a bit of searching, and it appears apache thinks the cgi > files are scripts and not executables. How can I configure apache to > interpret these files properly? On my system, CGI scripts have filenames that give away the content type (e.g. scripts ending with .pl), and binary files had .cgi or no suffix (apparently some binaries may use a .bin suffix). It may not be required, but makes managing things more obvious to me. Without doing anything fancy, and admittedly on an old version of Apache, it seems to just run what it finds in the CGI directory (much the the same way the command line will run scripts and binaries without you having to do anything special). A common problem with webserving is people not setting up the cgi-bin directory to be a CGI binary directory, and the server just tries to load the files as plain files. Though you'd expect to just see garbage in the web browser, much the the same as if you'd used the "less" command to view a binary file. I'm not familar with nagios. Have you tried just testing the default CGI examples that come with Apache? Also check your file permissions, and that SELinux is not interfering. Generally, if you create or install your scripts into the usual locations for cgi-bin, it will work. But if you move a file from one place to the cgi-bin directory, it'll have the security contexts of the prior location, and execution will be denied. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. America, you've had a Bush show you that any idiot can become president, don't let a Trump prove that any asshole can. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F28: Mouse and Keyboad issues
Allegedly, on or about 11 May 2018, Łukasz Posadowski sent: > I have mouse sensitivity at middle, but I indeed changed > keyboard repeat rate in dconf. Default setting is way too slow for > me. Just out of curiosity, what do people use keyboard repeat for? I can't see any point in being able to repeatedly type a string of letters, but it's useful in cursoring around. Maybe it's time that keyboard repeating was made more intelligent, and only repeats some (user) selected keys. Games that make use of key repeat for sustained fire, for instance, could reconfigure those particular keys during the game, or do a raw key read (which seems more practical). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. I don't think it's pure coincidence that "officialdom" sounds the same as "official dumb." ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: F28: Mouse and Keyboad issues
Tim: >> Just out of curiosity, what do people use keyboard repeat for? >> >> I can't see any point in being able to repeatedly type a string of >> letters, but it's useful in cursoring around. Maybe it's time that >> keyboard repeating was made more intelligent, and only repeats some >> (user) selected keys. fred roller: > mostly backspace and delete and other non-char functions. Prob dates > back to easier to set any key pulse as a whole than being able to > distinguish specific key strokes and combination strokes. > Pretty sure there is a whole discussion on the pros and cons for > changing the status quo on the issue. It's a shame keyboards weren't built like the old IBM Selectrix typewriters. Some keys repeated, if you pressed them in harder, such as underline, space, etc. But every key only fired once if you normally pressed them once. Keys that had no point in being repeatable, such as most of the alphabet, couldn't repeat. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Programmers who can't take criticisms shouldn't release software that's so crap it seriously pisses people off. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: after F27->F28 upgrade, hangs at end of boot
Allegedly, on or about 15 May 2018, Ed Greshko sent: > Are both related to Intel 945GM and neither one ever being > addressed/resolved. > > Since Intel 945GM is old one would have to question if it is capable > of supporting wayland efficiently. Based on those BZ and other > searches, if it were me, I'd be content with running Xorg. :-) :-) I bought a recent motherboard, that uses some intel HD Graphics 630 (rev 04) chipset, yet X seems to be using i915 drivers as a basic way of using the chipset. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Windows tablets are more like suppositories. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Dfault video player -
Allegedly, on or about 15 May 2018, Bob Goodwin sent: > I have a bunch of iPhone videos to view. > > I have spent the last hour googling without success: > > How to make the default video player "VLC" and remove the "Videos" > item offered whenever I go to view one. I haven't even been able to > determine what application "Videos" starts, but it never does > anything but put a spinner on the screen. I don't want to fix it, I > just want it to go away and be replaced with VLC which always works. I think the default "video" player is totem, on Gnome. And try as I might (using mate), I can't add codecs that will let it play various types of video files. I gave up and installed VLC and SMplayer, and they'll play just about anything, from the get go. Usually, one can right-click on a file in a file browser, or on the desktop, and choose "properties." When the properties window pops up, go to the "open with" tab, and that'll set the program that will open that type of file up, whenever you double-click on them. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Ha ha ha ha... (I couldn't think of a good joke, so I supplied a laugh track, instead.) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: after F27->F28 upgrade, hangs at end of boot
Tim wrote: >> I bought a recent motherboard, that uses some intel HD Graphics 630 >> (rev 04) chipset, yet X seems to be using i915 drivers as a basic >> way of using the chipset. Samuel Sieb: > Isn't that the right driver? Don't know, can't tell. There doesn't appear to be any related documentation installed. > Which one would you expect to be using? Something with a 630 in the name. > The "915" is probably just a legacy name now. Probably. But I don't like playing guessing games with drivers. The computer should be doing the work for me. It mostly works, but I get strange graphics corruptions, from time to time, on pop-ups (when you hover over things). Though I can't get it to do it, right now, else I'd provide a demo. Fortunately I don't need whiz bang graphics, the monitor is only 1920 by 1080. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.17-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 12 18:28:26 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Damn, I didn't mean to press *that* button! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: after F27->F28 upgrade, hangs at end of boot
Allegedly, on or about 17 May 2018, stan sent: > Yeah, it's exactly the opposite of business communications, where > everyone just puts their response at the top, and the whole chain is > in the message below. There, everyone is in the loop, so it makes > more sense to just put the response at the top. It's almost essential in the business world, because they're not using list servers. Without doing all that reply on top of reply stapling, or using a list server, only two people can email back and forth, and see all the messages in the chain. Try including a third person, and the only way for them to keep track, is to include all the prior messages with every reply. It's very messy and inefficient, and horrendously storage space wasting when people incorporate huge attachments. It's yet another reason why businesses are eschewing email for other kinds of collaboration software, instead (which bring in their own sets of logistical and user-education nightmares). > I suppose that style would work in mailing lists, also, but it would > be a lot more traffic, and people who pop in on the middle of a > conversation would have to do a lot of work to come up to speed. It's an extraordinarily bad way of doing things for lists like this. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Programmers who can't take criticisms shouldn't release software that invites it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ZSJLAZYC4T4XLLSR3AQU7F337Z5KFU76/
Re: Strange behavior with MATE desktop
Allegedly, on or about 17 May 2018, John Morris sent: > Dunno about the other problems but those two behaviors are normal. > ~/Desktop is a standardized location so both desktop environments > will see a .desktop file dropped there. Well some window managers will use that for any file that's visible on the deskop. And that location can be changed, there's a file that configures what actual directory is used for the desktop. It's important for internationalisation of the computer, so that everyone gets common folders in their own language. > The monitor config is different though. mate-display-properties and > Gnome's tool will store information in their own place and in their > own way. You will have to configure it in both. For MATE, and perhaps others, it's a monitors.xml file $ locate monitors.xml /etc/mate-settings-daemon/xrandr/monitors.xml /home/tim/.config/monitors.xml The first would appear to be a default, the second is one when I set up my system (it'll be an override). > And good luck getting one of them to actually save the default > the login box will use The login screen runs as its own user, and you can copy the configuration file (that you use) into their homespace. It's necessary that ordinary users can't change the login screen, at least on multi-user systems that you don't own. Only an admin should be able to that. The login screen is a security function. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Give a man an inch, and he thinks he's a ruler. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2B5OAEJSXEGTD6SYIP4RM6E37JSXFZY6/
Re: xhost or firefox - cannot use firefox with su
Allegedly, on or about 20 May 2018, Tom Horsley sent: > I gave up on trying to get direct access as a different > user to the display, sometimes it would work, sometimes > it wouldn't work, and I could never track down why. Firefox had a habit of always trying to use the local browser window. I seem to recall that adding --no-remote to the command line worked around that foible. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. When I write something, take it as meaning exactly what I wrote. Do not interpret it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/DSFGYVWHJO6RYDZKT2IJJIZWRMPIUQF6/
Re: Could LightDM be bad?? (LONG)
Allegedly, on or about 20 May 2018, Beartooth sent: > > Under F27, they kept filling up with some sort of cruft, to the > point of refusing dnf upgrade; but when I found any of the cruft, it > was in places where I dared not lay about me with a cyber-battleaxe. > I jumped to F28 the day of release. Not enough real information for anyone to diagnose. I run systems installed new, not upgrades over prior releases. I don't use special wiping tools to erase the hard drives before hand, I just use the installer to delete prior partitions. I install maybe about six more programs than the default workstations (I use the MATE desktop). I use "dnf update" every few days, manually, to keep things up to date. I don't allow any automatic background updating, nor any other updating tool to run. I haven't do anything to clear the caches. I don't find my systems filling up with unexpected files. What I do notice is that with systems left running 24/7, that things do slow down and reboots can become required every few weeks. There are programs that just don't terminate every time when I log out. Various system/desktop daemons, sometimes web browsers. > Startx always flashes a couple times, then fails with a few > lines of text, beginning with an attempt to adopt my monitor size > (called "1920 1080" -- not 1920x1080),losing contact, and ending by > saying that the Xserver "terminated successfully." I've had a few dicey moments with a dying video card, that got swapped, then I replaced the whole motherboard for something new (instead of carrying on using something that's around 8 years old). Graphics problems can be due to failing hardware, or just poor supported hardware, and sometimes badly designed monitors (ones that don't announce their specs, or are still in stand-by mode when the OS is trying to probe them). > I'd like to try replacing LDM with something else; how do I do > that?? (I like Mate well, and would prefer not to swap it out,too) I just went with MATE's own display manager. Unless you have a very basic graphics set, or poorly supported one, it ought to manage the job. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. - Mwuu haha ha h, soon the world will be mine! - Sir, you've got to take your finger off the intercom button. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/K52KRJUM7N64E35TKJFGWT6MTDB7HQGW/
Re: Could LightDM be bad?? (LONG)
Tim: >> There are programs that just don't terminate every time when I log >> out. Various system/desktop daemons, sometimes web browsers. Patrick O'Callaghan: > Possibly unrelated, but I sometimes - not always - find that after > updating (using dnf with the tracer plugin) I'm advised to restart my > session, then on logging out and in I'm suddenly forced out again > after a short time, usually less than a minute. Software updates aren't part of my problem's situation. It can do it when I haven't done any updates since the last reboot. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. You can't have equality AND special treatment. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ARMTLN7TEALV5OXZBUDVBRE5CVJR2I7G/
Re: Could LightDM be bad?? (LONG)
Allegedly, on or about 22 May 2018, Ed Greshko sent: > FWIW, if you investigate a little I think you'd find that for every > user that logs-in for a GUI session there will be about 9+ processes > that are left running and remain running. It seems these processes > are then reused on subsequent logins by the same uid. I suppose this > may be done to speed-up subsequent logins. I had wondered about that, but I'd find that usually when I log out, that all my processes eventually disappear. Virtually straight away. Sometimes, things would loiter around, and they'd prevent you from logging back in. With things the login attempt would think you're still logged in, or the desktop would never finish drawing up because it was waiting for stalled files that never closed when you first logged out, or there'd be no sound because pulseaudio had wedged. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. - And how would you describe Windows? - One man's trash is another man's treasure... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/LQSPMSLCDFEI473NJTFYXQXFOSMJOMES/
Re: Could LightDM be bad?? (LONG)
Allegedly, on or about 22 May 2018, Tom Horsley sent: > Of course I'll still need my reboot script to umount -l nfs > filesystems to keep systemd from spending 5 hours timing out trying > to talk to systems that have gone down :-). That's why I went with autofs, rather than fstab entries. They're only mounted on demand, and automatically dismount after a little while. And it only gets worse when you have several NFS mounts. I used to just have a central server, and that wasn't too bad. But when you add in NAS devices, or clients that have individual exports, it gets really messy to handle shutdowns, or IP changes. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Television should really come with an intelligence knob. I've tried adjusting the brightness, but it didn't help. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/6XZUIHKRX57CHJBC6TPLT6PG3DJOP26W/
Re: rp-pppoe
Allegedly, on or about 26 May 2018, Gary Hodder sent: > currently I am using a rp-pppoe with a router/modem in bridge mode on > adsl and all is working fine. > We are being forced to move to nbn, in our case fibre to the node. > The provider I am looking at uses vdsl, Protocol: IPoE (DHCP / > Automatic IP) VLAN: None/blank. > Will this work with rp-pppoe? If not is there a similar connection > software that will? My experience with setting up connections for a couple of NBN services is that there is no authentication done by the user (they authorise *their* interface equipment), you just plug your network into their device, like you're connecting to the output of a router. In some cases, that's exactly what you're doing. But it's also possible to plug directly into the fibre/ethernet interface, if you only have one device to connect. This included with a service provider that had instructions for setting up your logon, with you having to authenticate. Their instructions didn't work, but just connecting in, and doing nothing else, did. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Hooray! I finally finished typing this email. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/E5T5MNZTBPPR2AV63NWGS4BS4RORLPWZ/
memaker failure
Hi, I saw an intriguing sounding package in the updates mail, memaker. Though it fails to launch. If I try it from the command line, I get this unfamiliar set of messages in return: INFO:root:python-launchpadlib not found! Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/memaker", line 55, in from MeMaker.app import MeMakerApp File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/MeMaker/app.py", line 41, in from utils.paths import MeMakerPaths File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/MeMaker/utils/paths.py", line 23, in from xdg import BaseDirectory as xdg ImportError: No module named xdg Trying what seems the first obvious thing to look for, produces no results: sudo dnf search launchpadlib It was installed with: sudo dnf search memaker Which dragged in these dependencies. memaker.noarch 20100110-12.fc26 ORBit2.x86_64 2.14.19-15.fc24 gnome-python2.x86_64 2.28.1-19.fc26 gnome-python2-gnomevfs.x86_64 2.28.1-19.fc26 gnome-python2-rsvg.x86_64 2.32.0-26.fc26 gnome-vfs2.x86_64 2.24.4-22.fc26 gnome-vfs2-common.noarch 2.24.4-22.fc26 libIDL.x86_64 0.8.14-12.fc26 libbonobo.x86_64 2.32.1-11.fc26 notify-python.x86_64 0.1.1-32.fc26 python2-nose.noarch 1.3.7-13.fc26 python2-numpy.x86_64 1:1.12.1-1.fc26 python2-olefile.noarch 0.45.1-1.fc26 python2-pillow.x86_64 4.1.1-1.fc26 -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. If 2001: A Space Odyssey taught us anything, it's that Siri will, one day, murder us all. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JPRHMEUD7CLN4FG75AV72ZSNOYSVIK43/
Re: memaker failure
Tim: >> If I try it from the command line, I get this unfamiliar set of >> messages in return: >> >> >> INFO:root:python-launchpadlib not found! >> Traceback (most recent call last): >>File "/usr/bin/memaker", line 55, in >> from MeMaker.app import MeMakerApp >>File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/MeMaker/app.py", line 41, in >> >> from utils.paths import MeMakerPaths >>File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/MeMaker/utils/paths.py", line 23, >> in >> from xdg import BaseDirectory as xdg >> ImportError: No module named xdg Samuel Sieb: > The requires have been fixed in more recent versions. > Installing "python2-pyxdg" should fix it. Yep, that did the trick. How did you work out the required package from that information? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Give a man an inch, and he thinks he's a ruler. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/D4THBAQ72ANJGKGOXWGBOC536RKB27O5/
Re: md5 files - how to use them ?
Allegedly, on or about 28 May 2018, Angelo Moreschini sent: > I got the eclipse plugin > "WB_v1.8.0_UpdateSite_for_Eclipse4.5.zip.md5" (plugin windowbuilder). > The suffix md5 is for checking the integrity of the file... > > But I cannot use this file (I cannot to install it on eclipse..) > Nautilus doesn't unzip it, and also not the command ;ine tar -xzf. > > If I rename the file (in .zip), nothing change.. > and also I didn't find some program that can help me... The file you're looking at with a .zip.md5 suffix, is not a ZIP file. It's a text file with a MD5 hash, or checksum, in it. That's a descriptive text file *about* the other ZIP file. In this case a computation on the file, giving you a unique identifier that will only match the original file if it has not being tampered with. e.g. example.zip (an archive) example.zip.md5 (a file about the archive) The same kind of thing can be done with any kind of file, be that a binary ISO file, a directly executable file, etc. A separate checksum can be provided about that file, as a verification that the file is exactly the file it's supposed to be. This does mean, however, that you need to get the checksum file from a source that you can trust. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Well somebody had to eat the last biscuit. You're just miffed that it wasn't you. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/BS5AMNVLWLKXTGBE7HBBNHLAZ34I5ZRP/
Re: 4% battery; dpesn't suspend
Allegedly, on or about 29 May 2018, Wolfgang Pfeiffer sent: > The logs here are interesting anyways, and I'm still wondering where > the system actually saved the image: in /tmp, or swap partition? The usual method of hibernating is to dump the memory into the swap partition. I do not know what will happen if your swap partition is smaller than your RAM, though. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. If you don't understand how e-mail threading works, then follow the instructions given by those who do, and don't argue with them. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/C342R4O6OYQMCPPF2TW7WTK3UJOWLEP7/
Re: Associating file types with apps
Allegedly, on or about 30 May 2018, Samuel Sieb sent: > However, it seems the problem is with Chrome. I know with Firefox > you can set whether to just save or else open an application with a > downloaded file, but I don't know where that would be set with > Chrome. One thing to check is whether it's all such links, or just from one website. If a website is providing links with the wrong MIME type headers, that's going to confuse things, no end. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. - Mwuu haha ha h, soon the world will be mine! - Sir, you've got to take your finger off the intercom button. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/FAJ7FQWQVALE4AB7FFUCCLXVBGF7HZEC/
Re: 4% battery; dpesn't suspend
Allegedly, on or about 31 May 2018, sent: >> The usual method of hibernating is to dump the memory into the swap >> partition. I do not know what will happen if your swap partition >> is smaller than your RAM, though. Wolfgang Pfeiffer: > 32 GB of RAM here, swap space is just ~16 GB: my guess is that as > long as the totally used memory (including buffers/cache) isn't > bigger than the swap partition, some hibernation image might be > written successfully ... not being sure, tho' ... I believe it can also use a swap file, so you can add one to a partition with space. However, when there's more than one swap, I think you need to set a kernel parameter for the system to look in the right place for its resuming data. > And swap space is rarely used here, IIRC .. Generally speaking, the same here. But when I had a system with less RAM, web browsers were terrible at wasting RAM. If you had enough tabs open, or hit a badly coded website, the system would start paging and never recover unless I managed to kill the web browser. Often I couldn't, because the system was so unresponsive you couldn't use the mouse or keyboard. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Programmers who can't take criticisms shouldn't release software that's so crap it seriously pisses people off. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/VSLZ3OUQYKAGHEEDKN5FQ34N3OQUT5ZD/
Re: F28 - Today's updates messed up writing to USB
Allegedly, on or about 3 June 2018, Ed Greshko sent: > Oh, and let's not forget the times (twice in recent memory) where > updates to KDE Plasma resulted in not being able to logout or even > reboot from the menus. In that case one needed to know about "init > 6". :-) :-) While some will argue that you should, or shouldn't have to, reboot after an update (I'm strongly in the you shouldn't have to, until you really must, camp), having a system wedge after an update to the point that you can't logout/reboot has to be a serious fault. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Sorry, no viruses was included with this email, please read the rm and fdisc man files to learn how to seriously mangle your own system. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/YPJVJIOTD3VSP2WPR3J2VH64EZNC5U5V/
Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28
Allegedly, on or about 3 June 2018, Samuel Sieb sent: > Remember that /tmp does not use disk space. It's a RAM filesystem. Only if you mount it with the right options. If you mount it with other options, or don't mount it and just have a /tmp directory, it's going to be normal filesystem. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. I'd just like to say that vinyl record crackles and pops are far less annoying than digigigigital mu-u-u-u-usic hiccicicicups and yooo-u tu-be ... pauses. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/GGVOEV3M3IWHSI7XAU5WPDRUMEUNWUJ6/
Re: dual boot Windows10 fedora28
Tim: >> Only if you mount it with the right options. >> If you mount it with other options, or don't mount it and just have >> a /tmp directory, it's going to be normal filesystem. Samuel Sieb: > Ok, I didn't think I needed to spell it out. By default, Fedora > configures /tmp as a tmpfs filesystem with no disk backing. I think it needed it. They originally talked about mounting a /tmp partition (and I don't know if that was fulfilling a need, or just a habit). So it bares pointing out that it won't always be tmpfs. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Evolution keeps on telling me that it's refreshing, but I still want to go and get a drink. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/GBMG33WHVAE5F6LR6242BM446ZHCKDOC/
Re: OT: Annoying List Behavior....
Allegedly, on or about 4 June 2018, Todd Zullinger sent: > Normally if someone sending from a domain with strict DMARC > rules configured their From field as 'Name ' > the list DMARC mitigation would take the 'Name' part, add > 'via users' and send it from the list address. > > Thunderbird showing you 'Fedora' is due to the mail client > reversing the name from your local address book. I have no > idea if you can tell Thunderbird not to do that or not. Thunderbird has/had a "show only display name for people in my address book." Untick that, and it should show the whole address. It's in the display section, advanced sub-section. I find that kind of thing annoying. It's easy enough to come across people with the same names, and it's helpful to have the full address to quickly tell them apart. > I don't think there's much we can do about it on the list > side. If an email address didn't have a name portion, I would have used the email accountname immediately left of the @ sign. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. The internet, your opportunity to learn from other peoples' mistakes. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/YKS7HGBNEIEHYPRGY3KGPDHCNXJTM5ZN/
Re: R: Re: can' connect to localhost
Allegedly, on or about 7 June 2018, antonio.montagnani sent: > i can't connect by telnet as you suggest. I can print to my remote > printer anyway. It seems that i cannot connect to my local cups > service, and on this machine i have no loal printer conected. I am > lost but now here it is sleeping time 😃 I haven't seen the obvious mentioned: Have you tried restarting the CUPS service, in the middle of these trials? The firewall needs to be open to allow connections to CUPS, though I'm not sure if it blocks local connections, at all. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.7-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 2 21:45:56 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Ha ha ha ha... (I couldn't think of a good joke, so I supplied a laugh track, instead.) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/RMGQB5KJ34F5TVFPK77OKTH4L2QL4YU7/
Re: Can I ask question ?
Patrick O'Callaghan: > Only if it has something to do with Fedora of course. Does the narrow end go to the front? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. - And how would you describe Windows? - One man's trash is another man's treasure... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2Y2U2DVDQWFQ7ZQDFZF3T3IR2JFR32Z5/
Re: cups-service able / enable
Allegedly, on or about 14 June 2018, Ger van Dijck sent: > So next question is How can I check if cups is running and if not how > get it running ? As well as the other suggestions, if you have a browser running, you can see what you find at http://localhost:631/ (that's the CUPS web interface). If CUPS is running, it'll respond. Also, within the web interface, you can see if particular printers are there and running. A printer can be stopped, such as after running out of supplies, or manually, while CUPS carries on running. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. This email tagline has been Australianised. Bloody oath... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/SBISUSVUUM7TDFGCXXBKBD676JD6EMBO/
Re: Getting rpm update history with wildcarding
Allegedly, on or about 14 June 2018, Todd Zullinger sent: > To be fair, I don't think the rpm man page documents its > wildcard support. If it does, I'm looking past it. I've always successfully done things like this: rpm -qa \*pulse\* More through force of habit, than any hard knowledge. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. If you are not the intended recipient, why are you reading their email? You bastard! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/3F3A3F4WAGTUYPN5E45OJEDROSPERSYQ/
Re: Can I ask question ?
Tim: >> Does the narrow end go to the front? Patrick O'Callaghan: > Preferably when tilted over the eyes and accompanied by a loosely > hanging cigarette and a drawl. It was one of those nights, and the server wasn't booting. I was convinced there was foul play involved, and went down to the basement to check... (harmonica playing over a double bass in the background) -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. - Mwuu haha ha h, soon the world will be mine! - Sir, you've got to take your finger off the intercom button. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/WFA6F5WTWPBN6I7KIYHZ2CQPKQCRAZCF/
Re: FC27 packages after upgrade
Allegedly, on or about 16 June 2018, stan sent: > anaconda is the Fedora installer, so those are probably leftovers > from the install of F27. I've always wondered *why* anaconda gets installed on a new system, and why it receives updates. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. If you don't understand how e-mail threading works, then follow the instructions given by those who do, and don't argue with them. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JPYPUWEPDHJ447QGFOESUCKXBXJNYP43/
Re: Could LightDM be bad?? Ooops!
Allegedly, on or about 24 June 2018, Beartooth sent: > But now it just keeps giving me a login screen, letting me type, and > (after Enter) going back to the login screen. I remember things like that, in the past, being associated with the wrong permissions for the /tmp directory. The graphics system wanted to write a lock file, and would get upset when it couldn't. $ ls -ldZ /tmp drwxrwxrwt. 16 root root system_u:object_r:tmp_t:s0 400 Jun 25 03:48 /tmp -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Well somebody had to eat the last biscuit. You're just miffed that it wasn't you. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/H52DWDTSHMOBHXPWLBDZE7UDXZTMJWAD/
Re: cpupower
Allegedly, on or about 24 June 2018, JD sent: > Reason I am posting this is because the normal speed of the cores > is 2.8GHz, and that is causing numerous kerneloops interrupts > (overheating). > Fans are at full speed all the time, as I can hear them :) :) Sounds like you have inadequate cooling, and that's going to be a long term problem that mayn't be avoided by what you're trying to do. Hot components need a large enough heatsink to dissipate their heat, and it needs to be firmly attached, with heatsink compound filling the tiny gap between chip and heatsink. Heatsinks need to have a fan, or other heat distribution scheme, to make the heat radiate away sufficiently, and quickly enough. The case needs to have airflow that brings in fresh air, and expels hot air (running a case with the cover off can prevent adequate airflow *across* things, likewise with other obstacles in the case). Even systems that use liquid cooling still need to move air through the computer case, because not everything that generates heat will be directly connected to the cooling system. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Damn, I didn't mean to press *that* button! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/HPFTR6LSHJUQT7YRTQMSP7O56DDEBKB2/
Re: cpupower
Allegedly, on or about 24 June 2018, Patrick O'Callaghan sent: > Note that you now have to explicitly enable rc.local to make it run > at boot time: > > # systemctl enable rc-local.service I just did that, and nothing more (I hadn't, yet, got around to making a rc.local file and putting anything in it), and got this back in terminal: # systemctl enable rc-local.service The unit files have no installation config (WantedBy, RequiredBy, Also, Alias settings in the [Install] section, and DefaultInstance for template units). This means they are not meant to be enabled using systemctl. Possible reasons for having this kind of units are: 1) A unit may be statically enabled by being symlinked from another unit's .wants/ or .requires/ directory. 2) A unit's purpose may be to act as a helper for some other unit which has a requirement dependency on it. 3) A unit may be started when needed via activation (socket, path, timer, D-Bus, udev, scripted systemctl call, ...). 4) In case of template units, the unit is meant to be enabled with some instance name specified. My intention was to put this in rc.local, so I didn't have to keep issuing the commands, as root, every bootup: #!/bin/sh # # plugged in SD CARDs have wrong filedates, this is to correct that: hwclock --systohc --utc hwclock --hctosys --utc -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/IP5XARE6SWKIMIMLM4DJMWTV4WLPITQH/
Re: cpupower
Allegedly, on or about 24 June 2018, stan sent: > I've thought about buying one of those little fridges and putting the > system in it. I remember seeing a page or two about people doing that, many years ago. Though I can't recall what their success was like. I'd be concerned about moisture/condensation. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. ZNQR LBH YBBX! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/W5IRFZ6LT42ZAP4VD5LWOXFEBE6KSKMH/
Re: cpupower
Allegedly, on or about 25 June 2018, Howard Howell sent: > This typically requires more than just vacuuming the outside. > Typically you have to remove the heatsink and fan, and use a brush or > q-tips to ferret out the various dustbunnies in the nooks and > crannies that are near the CPU. Ah yes, I forgot to mention that the heatsink must be unclogged. They don't radiate heat away effectively if air can't readily flow over the fins. Cans of compressed air, with a straw on the nozzle, can be useful for clearing the cruft out of heatsink fins. Do it outdoors, the mess goes everywhere (including your eyes and lungs). Don't use an air compressor, the blast is strong enough to do physical damage, as well as with static electricity. > Most heatsinks have retainers that hook down to the socket. look > carefully at how the hooks engage and look for a lever to release > them. Open ONLY that lever. Do not open the wire lever under the > socket, it holds the cpu to the socket. You need to be careful removing heatsinks, some of the assemblies don't want to come apart without breaking. Likewise, when replacing assemblies, they need to firmly attach. If they won't, you're better off to buy a new assembly. Sometimes you find that the fan's bearings are wearing out, or clogging up, and you want to replace the fan. I've grown to hate those plasticky push down and click heatsink things. There's some with a hook and lever which are better, but obviously can only attach to suitable motherboards / CPU sockets. The bolt down Mac ones seem a much more robust way of doing things, and necessary with the really huge heatsinks they were using. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux servers are always being dæmonised... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ADGZI6CMRSWSNLCMGLFHDQHIPR2SS7DZ/
Re: How to install MPEG-4 AAC decoder ?
Allegedly, on or about 25 June 2018, Samuel Sieb sent: > You asked this same question earlier today and received an answer. > Why are you asking again? My guess would be that they're probably not seeing the replies. Either not waiting long enough, or they need to check their spam filters for false positives. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/L3V67U5S4RYC6A7WXNWWDIEB6JTMXMG2/
Re: Feature request: line break eliminater
Allegedly, on or about 27 June 2018, Rick Stevens sent: > It's the way the text is rendered that affects how selection is done > and this is what complicates things. I'm not saying it's impossible, > but pretty danged complex to try to sort out what the _expected_ > behavior is supposed to be. While true, anything that offers a "right-click and open URL" option on selected text, really should assume that line breaks in that text are erroneous. So a URL handler process should be able to do that trick. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Computers are like dentists. They have their uses, but they're both bloody pains. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/AYQ4JQONDSLK7AEJKXHVSHOU2ZDDDZZD/
Re: centos7 -- webapp setup
Allegedly, on or about 27 June 2018, Rick Stevens sent: > Almost no-one running a commercial venture runs Fedora because of > potential stability issues AND the fact that updates are only > available for Fedora for "current release less one" (updates stopped > for F26 one month after F28 came out). RHEL and CentOS generally have > a 3-year or more lifespan. No, they're not current, but they ARE > supported. Fedora 26 isn't, for example. F27 will be supported until > one month after F29 comes out. I can attest to that. If you run anything that has a database, even websites and email services, keeping all that going across an OS upgrade is a real pain. With Fedora having such a short lifespan, that amount of pain means you end up leaving servers running with ancient un-updated software. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. I reserve the right to be as hypocritical as the next person. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/2UHNAGMVPWREBUXHXGSV2VIW2XVC4DN4/
Re: F28 suspend to ram bounce
Allegedly, on or about 16 July 2018, Robert Moskowitz sent: > I have seen this for some time (perhaps since install) on F28. I > suspend to ram and the system seems to suspend then immediately > restarts by itself. I unlock and suspend again and this 2nd attempt > 'takes'. Are any BIOS "wake up" triggers set that might be triggering this? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Television should really come with an intelligence knob. I've tried adjusting the brightness, but it didn't help. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ATZAP7DHT5EV64U6UYVIQMOISUYNTCMX/
Re: Considering Asus Prime Z370-A; need video recommendations
Allegedly, on or about 16 July 2018, Alex sent: > I believe the open source support for NVIDIA is better than for AMD > these days, correct? I don't know about AMD, but there is no real open-source driver from NVIDIA, just some reverse engineered thing (Nouveau). Yes, they've made an open-source driver, but they don't have the information needed from the manufacturers to do create a completely functional driver. NVIDIA provide a closed-source driver for Linux. But if you get it from NVIDIA, it's great at stuffing your operating system installation up, by stomping all over other things it has no business touching. There's a reasonably well packaged installer for it, that you do NOT get directly from NVIDIA, you get them from a repo such as RPM Fusion (there may be other repos, too, but I can't recall at the moment). It installs NVIDIA's closed-source drivers, but in a sane manner. https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Damn, I didn't mean to press *that* button! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/L3UBE4VY7NOTHJENROSQY466NIOU4UXH/
Re: Which is better? Microsoft Exchange 2016 or Linux-based SMTP Servers?
Rick Stevens wrote: >> Note that at the time I did this (geeze, like 15 years ago), things >> like Gmail, Office 365 and many of the other cloud-based email >> systems did not exist. We had to roll our own. Would I do it again? >> If we needed complete control of things or our email requirements... Patrick O'Callaghan: > I successfully lobbied my university board to switch to what is now > called G Suite, which is free for educational users. The main > motivation was economic: we simply couldn't afford to keep expanding > our server hardware infrastructure to carry the exploding load, but > more importantly the corporate salary structure didn't allow us to > pay competitive rates to admins. A large part of the decision are non-technical considerations. There's the obvious hardware and staffing costs. But you may also have legal considerations, such as: Are you required to keep your data in-house? Or if you don't have to, does an external host keep it in a country that's acceptable to you. Are you required to keep your data perpetually? And I'm sure there's a plethora of other non-tech considerations. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Windows, it's enough to make a grown man cry! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ZE3ILACS6Q4TCTCA2FVAUSPDGZ7SGLZT/
Re: suspends shutdowns system instead of suspending
Allegedly, on or about 21 July 2018, Sudhir Khanger sent: > None of them can suspend on battery. When connected to power suspend > works just fine. Does the system check whether your battery is sufficient to stay on suspend, first? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux servers are always being dæmonised... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/YZTTBDHDMF7TYKGDAIOI7TUSHWTBRDQF/
Re: copy and paste from mouse when window full of icons?
Allegedly, on or about 1 August 2018, Gianluca Cecchi sent: > while using "Files", the explorer application (version 3.28.1-stable) > in my Fedora 28 system, I have sometimes this kind of problem: > - I normally use what should be "list view" with list of file names > - if I have to paste a file/dir or group of copied files/dirs into a > location where the page listed is full (no blank space inside it), it > seems that I cannot paste: the right mouse click doesn't offer the > paste option. I'm annoyed by the same thing, it's a bad design. The right-click menu is context sensitive, so will only offer options applicable to what's under the cursor, or already selected. In this case, it'll be a menu for working with one of the existing files or folders in that window. Putting it simply, most of the so-called file managers on Linux are really not in the class of being a file "manager." They're just file browsers with a few features. Unless you use another file browser/manager, you've got two choices: 1. Use keyboard shortcuts, and inconveniently swap between keyboard and mouse. 2. Laboriously go into the edit menu (at the top of the window, presuming you're not using a desktop manager that has removed the feature), and pick PASTE from the EDIT menu. It'd be nice if you could simply add CUT, COPY and PASTE icons into the file browser's toolbar, to quickly do those *very* common functions. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. This email tagline has been Australianised. Bloody oath... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JXCD3BU6664YXF7ZIMBY25K4QSYD76CF/
Re: Stitch photos?
Allegedly, on or about 4 August 2018, ToddAndMargo sent: > Is there a way to stitch four photos together? Well, other > than just eyeballing them. Search for "panarama" as well. There's a plugin for GIMP: http://stitchpanorama.sourceforge.net/ It may be prepackaged in a repo. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. If you don't understand how e-mail threading works, then follow the instructions given by those who do, and don't argue with them. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/S4CGSQFHFVGS77DXZF6ZNSMQTEAFM24K/
Re: Nautilus search bar slow
Allegedly, on or about 7 August 2018, D. Hugh Redelmeier sent: > I (on Fedora 28) use Nautilus once in a while. There is a handy > feature that if you start typing a filename, it will do some kind of > search for that filename. Very, very slowly. I'm using an older release, with the Mate desktop. If I start typing a filename, its cursor jumps to the files who's names start with those characters, straight away. And if there's more than one match, I can cursor up and down between them. > What I have wanted and expected is a filter of the filenames in the > directory being shown. That should be fast. I don't know what I'm > getting, but in the end it seems to be such a filter. I've not seen any filter feature in (older versions of) Nautilus, but have in other file manager programs. In the past, I've used emelFM2 as a much more featured file manager, I only consider Nautilus to be in the class of a file browser. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. I'd just like to say that vinyl record crackles and pops are far less annoying than digigigigital mu-u-u-u-usic hiccicicicups and yooo-u tu-be ... pauses. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/ZVNMCEDYNVUOAOUCD2PPOXAWV2PRYU2P/
Re: OT: trace/extract vector points from a picture
Allegedly, on or about 11 August 2018, None via users sent: > I took a picture of alligator/crockodile? boots that have a nice > stitched drawing. I would like if any drawing/picture expert can > help me get just the part of the gator/crock from the drawing? You can use programs like GIMP to trace over an image. Load your picture as a background, create a layer over the top of it, then draw on the layer, tracing your picture. After you've traced it, hide your background, and you've got your tracing to work with by itself. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/46TUIKRMUA4FXEQQ3HRFFVIQVPXLMOMH/
Re: OT: trace/extract vector points from a picture
Allegedly, on or about 11 August 2018, Samuel Sieb sent: > Or skip GIMP completely, load the original bitmap in inkscape and > manually (or maybe automatically) trace what you want. I have done > something like that before. It's a lot easier if you have a graphic > tablet or screen pen of course. There are some programs (GIMP included) where you can turn a picture into a line drawing (using less data bits), by adjusting a threshold where it determines what's blank space and what's imagery. In essence, turning it what looks like an old fashioned photocopy, or fax scan. Though, you may not want a simple ink/blank rendition of your image. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Ha ha ha ha... (I couldn't think of a good joke, so I supplied a laugh track, instead.) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/WW4W2MGYKHC74DXTUCVVYAO7DJDI27YO/
Re: Dell XPS15 9570
Allegedly, on or about 11 August 2018, Thomas Letherby sent: > Was hoping someone had already tried with the laptop, the motherboard > and graphics sre the same across all the latest XPS 15s, so if it's > been done on one it should be done on them all. Are you sure? Manufacturers change components inside laptops, even within the same model. I wouldn't even be surprised if you get component changes within the run of a model build. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Next time your service provider asks you to reboot your equipment, ask them to reboot theirs, first. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/4ADJUVNR7XHFI5TGUXZ7OEHSH4ZUBEV2/
Re: Banshee music player fake tagging
Allegedly, on or about 12 August 2018, Tony Nelson sent: > The Banshee music player banshee-2.6.2-30.fc28.x86_64 has numerous > problems beyond becoming unresponsive at startup 2 out of 3 attempts. > It often (I think not always) only pretends to set the id3 tags in a > music file. It remembers the tags somewhere itself, but when the > file is downloaded to a player, there is no tag in the file. I have > verified this with id3info and id3v2. Looking at a Wikipedia page, it mentions it uses SQLite. So I'd guess that it does use an external database, for its own needs. And looking at the dates, seems like it's abandonware. Using a proprietary/internal all well and good if you only intend to use your media on one computer. But useless if you intend to play it in more than one place, or if you use your computer to set up the metadata for use elsewhere. I struck that problem, long ago, with one or two photo applications. Hundred's of photos all held captive by those programs, because only they can read their own photo databases for metadata. Files like JPEG and MP3 have metadata tags for storing metadata within themselves for good reason, it's the only way to ensure the metadata stays with the data. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. When I write something, take it as meaning exactly what I wrote. Do not interpret it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/4TUT2EUZJ7BVIXZ4TQNMCWKZHOZERJAW/
Re: sed and grep stopped working!
Allegedly, on or about 17 August 2018, Tom Horsley sent: > This is the sort of thing that always makes me want to > run memtest for a few hours to see if memory corruption > is happening (in, for instance, the in memory copies of > pages from shared libs the tools might have been using). > > http://www.memtest.org/ I tried to run that on my new computer, and it couldn't be done. I can't remember if it was down to UEFI or 64 bit, or the combination. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. less is more when playing with your cat... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/6GE4PXSBFSSQ2ANOVRP7W33YVNVQQALJ/
Re: Dell XPS15 9570
Allegedly, on or about 15 August 2018, Thomas Letherby sent: > I tried with LightDM, which gave the same black screen, with the > following in /var/log/messages, not sure why it's trying to talk to > PulseAudio? I'm not sure what stage you're up to by then: Just getting the logon screen, or have logged in? If it's the login screen, it could be that they've designed it so that it can make use of audio (e.g. spoken prompts for the blind), and the sound system is started whether, or not, it's actually going to be used. And I've seen logon screens which play a little tune as they pop up (on other distros, where the sound actually was working at that stage). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Windows tablets are more like suppositories. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/DS7MNW3EKDWVAXBMWFZ6HUJVBUYA533A/
Re: Home Routers (Totally OT)
Allegedly, on or about 17 August 2018, Jonathan Ryshpan sent: > What is the device android-a81a750feb8c4486? There are only two > devices connected to the router by wires. Very odd. A phone or tablet. Or is your weather doodah android based? > The router has a DNS server in it. The server doesn't know anything > about any of these devices, so I will have to set up /etc/hosts in > all of the computers in the local net manually. Trendnet customer > support has informed me that this is not a bug but a feature. More like a *lack* of feature... A lot of routers only have a DHCP server, and they don't bother to resolve names to the addresses they've doled out. For most users, this mayn't be a problem, as they're not doing peer-to-peer anything between them. And if they're using Windows networking, it'll do its own name resolution tricks (SMB). My router does resolve its own DHCP-assigned IPs, giving them a ".gateway" top level domain name. Though I don't use it, as it's not configurable enough for my needs. I have DNS and DHCP servers running on my server (that talk to each other), and I switch off the DHCP server on my router. > There are issues with the way the router's DHCP sets up the attached > computers so that searches aren't referred to higher level servers in > my local net. More devices have to be entered into /etc/hosts by > hand. If you only have about 4 devices on a LAN, hosts files aren't too much of a problem. But manual host file writing becomes tedious as you add more devices, and a problem for devices where you can't do that kind of thing. You've got daisy-chained routers. If they're doing NAT, they're independent subnets, and there could be firewalling involved, too. Some wireless routers will let you use them in a bridge mode, so they act more like a network switch than a router, with everything on the same subnet. I had a wireless router which could easily be used in either way. If you wanted your wireless devices (somewhat) isolated, you'd connect it to the rest of your LAN through the WAN port. And if you wanted the entire LAN all on the same side, then you'd connect your main router up to one of the LAN ports on the wireless router. Isolated subnet: 192.168.1.x MAIN ROUTER | | | | PC PC PC | | WAN WIFI ROUTER (wireless to 192.168.2.x WiFi devices) LAN LAN LAN LAN | | | | PC PC PC PC(to 192.168.2.x ethernet devices) Common subnet: 192.168.1.x MAIN ROUTER | | | | PC PC PC | | | WAN | WIFI ROUTER (wireless to 192.168.1.x WiFi devices) | LAN LAN LAN LAN | | | | | \--/ PC PC PC(to 192.168.1.x ethernet devices) -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Hooray! I finally finished typing this email. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/MRM5INZENKI6HKVXP5W4HJNFQBS4W6CE/
Re: Home Routers (Totally OT)
Allegedly, on or about 18 August 2018, Ed Greshko sent: > my DHCP server doesn't supply Domain Name Not unusual. All sorts of different things may happen. Clients can use their own (ignoring the fact that it mightn't work with anything else in the network). They may or may not inform the DHCP server of the hostname that they want to use. DHCP servers can honour a client's requested hostname, or ignore it. They can send their own defined hostname to the client (which might ignore it). They can not bother to send any hostname to the client. A client can determine their hostname by doing a reverse DNS lookup on the IP that they get assigned. The DNS server may be supplying names coded into it (e.g. whatever's at 192.168.1.2 will always be two.lan), or the DHCP server may have created a DNS record providing the name (giving a preset name to a particular MAC, whatever numerical IP address it gets assigned today). You can end up with clients *apparently* having two hostnames: The one a user has given the machine, which will only work on the machine, and nothing external to it knows what it is. And DHCP/DNS assigned ones, which everything else on the LAN knows that machine as, but the machine doesn't appear to know about it, itself. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/T7U6XPWZT6REPZMISJ52TWQJYFBRMOHX/
Re: Dell XPS15 9570
Allegedly, on or about 18 August 2018, Thomas Letherby sent: > Typing my password in logs in fine, so it's definitely something > stopping sddm from displaying the screen, rather than a total > failure. Is it using an unsupported (by your monitor) screen mode, and the monitor is simply blanking out? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. If you don't understand how e-mail threading works, then follow the instructions given by those who do, and don't argue with them. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/3MH6OPXHLD3R6R3NK6HBLU42MFCFLUYM/
Re: Software to create bootable USB stick
Allegedly, on or about 29 August 2018, Danny Horne via users sent: > I've tried Brasero and Wodim, neither recognises my USB drive (even > though it's mounted) I thought it needed to be unmounted to directly write to it, rather than copy files to it. > and both say the ISO is too large to burn onto a DVD That suggests to me that you haven't selected the right devices. If your USB stick is bigger than the ISO file, then there shouldn't be a size error warning. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. The internet, your opportunity to learn from other peoples' mistakes. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Forcing updates install on shutdown
On Wed, 2018-09-19 at 23:18 +, Rick Stevens wrote: > 95% of the time "dnf --refresh -y upgrade" won't cause issues, but > it's that 5% of the time where it DOES screw up that will drive you > barking mad. Microsoft has had some absolutely horrific problems > doing this "upgrade on shutdown" behind the scenes crud and THEY have > utter control of ALL the software being upgraded during the process. > That's not necessarily the case with any community-supported system > with multiple repositories such as Fedora. Even just the *very* basic side of things: When I shutdown a computer, it's the end of me working on it, and I want it to switch off and finish pronto. Not spend the next random number of minutes, or hours, still doing something while I'm waiting for it. Both Windows and Mac suffer from this update at shutdown and bootup mess. It also means that places that never shut down or reboot end up with un-updated systems. You want scheduled updates, or centrally triggered updates, for them. And that approach works well for systems where the users do shutdown or reboot, as well. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: bugzilla is still down
ToddAndMargo: >> When I press "Submit" on a new bug, I get: >> >> Internal Server Error >> >> The server encountered an internal error and was unable to >> complete your request. >> Error 500 stan: > I don't know what error 500 is, but I think you should try creating > a new bugzilla logon. The one you are using must have something > wrong with it. It's an error within the webserver that's hosting the service (the text explains that, the code number lets you check on the error type if the supplied text isn't useful). This usually means a webserver configuration error, or an error in a program that generates something for the webserver. But *can* be due to data that your browser is supplying to the webserver, though that suggests careless programming on the webserver that a browser can make it fail so spectacularly (the program should handle all data, including erroneous data, without pranging the webserver). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. I reserve the right to be as hypocritical as the next person. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: bugzilla is still down
Allegedly, on or about 2 October 2018, Ed Greshko sent: > Could it be your ISP has a transparent proxy causing issues? I had wondered that, too. But a HTTPS connection ought to put a stop to that kind of ISP shenanigans. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Windows, it's enough to make a grown man cry! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: bugzilla is still down
Allegedly, on or about 2 October 2018, ToddAndMargo sent: > The error with Brave: > > This site can’t be reached > The webpage at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/post_bug.cgi might be > temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web > address. > ERR_ACCESS_DENIED I see, in Firefox: Red Hat Bugzilla – Log in to Red Hat Bugzilla Home | New | Search | [?] | Reports | Requests | New Account Bugzilla will be upgraded to version 5.0 on a still to be determined date in the near future. The original upgrade date has been delayed. Red Hat Bugzilla needs a legitimate login and password to continue. Login: Password: (Note: you should make sure cookies are enabled for this site. Otherwise, you will be required to log in frequently.) If you don't have a Red Hat Bugzilla account, you can create a new account. A user account is required to file a new bug or to comment into existing ones so that you can be contacted if more information is needed. If you have an account, but have forgotten your password, enter your login name below and submit a request to change your password. Home | New | Search | [?] | Reports | Requests | New Account | Report Bugzilla Bug Legal -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. ZNQR LBH YBBX! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hard drive to sleep
Allegedly, on or about 7 October 2018, Ralf Corsepius sent: > HW-wise you should check if your drive-hardware is suiteable to be > frequently "put to sleep/woken up". Most NAS- or server-class HDDs > are not, most desktop/notbook drives are. All the domestic NASs, that I've seen, put their drives to sleep when idle. It can actually be a pain, because they're very slow to wake up. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. I reserve the right to treat other people in exactly the same way that they treat me. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Hard drive to sleep
Allegedly, on or about 8 October 2018, Wolfgang Pfeiffer sent: > Except "-y" will not mean "sleeping" mode (i.e. complete shutdown, > which can be done with the "-Y" switch) but standby mode, which > simply seems to just spin down the disk. I can't imagine there being much difference power-usage-wise, but perhaps reliability/speed of wake-up. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Well somebody had to eat the last biscuit. You're just miffed that it wasn't you. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't play .mov video -
Allegedly, on or about 15 October 2018, Bob Goodwin-Fastmail sent: > [bobg@box83 ~]$ vlc /mnt/box48/2018-06-Jun-15-LUKE-SHEARING-Clippers/ > VLC media player 3.0.4 Vetinari (revision 3.0.4-0-gf615db6332) > [55b0c3eb9670] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default > interface. > Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. > libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 6.0.0 > libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. > libdvdread: Couldn't find device name. > libdvdread:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed > libdvdread:DVDOpenFilePath:findDVDFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed > libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. > libdvdnav: vm: failed to read VIDEO_TS.IFO > > (vlc:4243): Gtk-WARNING **: 22:35:39.172: Theme parsing error: > gtk.css:27:10: The 'engine' property is ignored > > (vlc:4243): Gtk-WARNING **: 22:35:39.175: Theme parsing error: > gtk.css:29:23: Custom CSS properties are no longer supported. > > (vlc:4243): Gtk-WARNING **: 22:35:39.176: Theme parsing error: > gtk.css:30:22: Custom CSS properties are no longer supported. > ... Snip, i can provide the whole listing if needed. > ... > > One video in the group was an mp4, it played as expected, but the > others were .mov, I don't know why they were not all the same type, > and I was surprised to see this problem. I use vlc from rpmfusion and > it always just works for almost anything fed to it. Until tonight > I've only viewed rtsp camera video on this F28 system and there are > no problems with that. Well, the above error messages come from DVD MPEG files, not MOV files. That suggests that someone's ignorantly renamed the files. Though I'd expect VLC to play misnamed anyway. Or those error messages relate to other files that you haven't listed for us. But if they're encrypted DVD files, and you don't have a VLC version that can play such DVD files, you might want to get a different version of VLC. DVDs are an encumbered format. Some compilations of the player may not support encumbered formats, or you may need extra support libraries. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. I don't think it's pure coincidence that "officialdom" sounds the same as "official dumb." ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: apache configuration --running two/2 test sites
Allegedly, on or about 17 October 2018, bruce sent: > I'm simply trying to get the two(2) sites to be accessed via two(2) > different urls.. > http://104.248.125.83/foo > http://104.248.125.83/oxwall > > I do not have an actual FQDN, the two(2) sites are tests on the box. > The "/foo" and "oxwall" are > aliases within the vhost blocks. > > > Something is obviously wrong.. No matter what I do... I'm getting the > 1st "foo/b2evolution" site! > Can't seem to figure out the "doh!!" issue... If you want two completely different sites, then give two different domain names to that IP. If this is only to be done within a LAN, that's easy enough to do. Just create some faked domain names that won't clash with anything you need to do on the net. Then set up virtual name hosts in Apache. e.g. http://foo.example.com/ & http://oxwall.example.com/ If you just want two different sites from a common address, just make the foo and oxwall directories inside the directory root, and access them as per your example addresses above. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Give a man an inch, and he thinks he's a ruler. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: apache configuration --running two/2 test sites
Allegedly, on or about 17 October 2018, bruce sent:
> Sorry to return... I'm still really screwing up things/something
> with my test for displaying two(2) apps..
Apps? That may have its own set of problems, as opposed to serving two
sites.
Have you tried running Apache on your own machine, to get a feel for
how it works?
> The two apps are oxwall and b2evolution. To refresh, I have a test
> digitialocean server that's at http://104.248.125.83/
>
> I'm simply trying to access the two apps at two different urls
>
> oxwall http://104.248.125.83/oxwall
> b2evolution http://104.248.125.83/foo
By default, Apache listens to all requests and serves them up from a
default web root directory. In our (Fedora) case, /var/www/html/
You can put anything in there, and it'll be served when you browse to
it by name.
Put a *file* in there called *oxwall*, browse to the IP address of your
server with /oxwall in the requested address, as your example above,
and Apache will serve it.
e.g. Local file /var/www/html/oxwall
Accessed as http://104.248.125.83/oxwall
Of course, that file "oxwall" has to be something that's serveable by
Apache in a recognisable way (such as it being HTML, or an executable,
and Apache being set up to handle such executables).
Alternatively, put a directory called /oxwall/ in there, and Apache
will serve the default file in that directory (usually, it looks for
index.html, but you can define your own defaults).
e.g. Local file /var/www/html/oxwall/index.html
Accessed as http://104.248.125.83/oxwall
Where you *may* be coming unstuck is the host providing your site: If
that IP is shared with other sites, then you are going to *need* your
own registered domain name, so that hosting service can look up your
name and relate it to the server IP.
I'll truncate your configuration comments, the presupplied comments
aren't needed, and just make a lot of reading to wade through.
>
> I have the following /etc/httpd/httpd.conf as well:::
>
> cat /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
>
> ServerRoot "/etc/httpd"
> Listen 80
> Include conf.modules.d/*.conf
> User apache
> Group apache
>
> ServerAdmin root@localhost
You ought to, eventually, get around to changing that to a real
webmaster address.
> #ServerName www.example.com:80
> #ServerName 104.248.125.83:80
At the moment, since no servername is set, Apache will figure out the
hostname for itself. On a server farm, that could be something quite
gibberish, and will be unrelated to what you think your site address
ought to be.
>
> AllowOverride none
> Require all denied
>
>
> DocumentRoot "/var/www/html"
>
>
> AllowOverride None
> # Allow open access:
> Require all granted
>
>
>
> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
> AllowOverride None
> Require all granted
>
>
>
> DirectoryIndex index.html
>
>
>
> Require all denied
>
>
> ErrorLog "logs/error_log"
>
> LogLevel warn
>
>
>
> LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\"\"%{User-Agent}i\""
> combined
> LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b" common
>
>
> # You need to enable mod_logio.c to use %I and %O
> LogFormat "%h %l %u %t \"%r\" %>s %b \"%{Referer}i\"\"%{User-Agent}i\"
> %I %O" combinedio
>
>
> CustomLog "logs/access_log" combined
>
>
>
>
> ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/var/www/cgi-bin/"
>
>
>
>
> AllowOverride None
> Options None
> Require all granted
>
>
>
>
> TypesConfig /etc/mime.types
>
> AddType application/x-compress .Z
> AddType application/x-gzip .gz .tgz
>
> #AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
>
> AddType text/html .shtml
> AddOutputFilter INCLUDES .shtml
>
>
>
> AddDefaultCharset UTF-8
>
>
> MIMEMagicFile conf/magic
>
>
> #ErrorDocument 500 "The server made a boo boo."
> #ErrorDocument 404 /missing.html
> #ErrorDocument 404 "/cgi-bin/missing_handler.pl"
> #ErrorDocument 402 http://www.example.com/subscription_info.html
> #
>
> #EnableMMAP off
> EnableSendfile on
>
> IncludeOptional conf.d/*.conf
> IncludeOptional sites-enabled/*.conf
Those all look normal to me.
> ===
>
> [root1@centos7-drupal-client-crawl-5d-jul13-18-1gb html]$ sudo cat
> /var/log/httpd/access_log
>
>
> 74.178.140.153 - - [17/Oct/2018:06:31:49 -0400] "POST
> /oxwall/base/ping/index/ HTTP/1.1" 200 340
> 74.178.140.153 - - [17/Oct/2018:06:31:55 -0400] "POST
> /oxwall/base/ping/index/ HTTP/1.1" 200 83
> 74.178.140.153 - - [17/Oct/2018:06:32:00 -0400] "POST
> /oxwall/base/ping/index/ HTTP/1.1" 200 83
> 74.178.140.153 - - [17/Oct/2018:06:32:03 -0400] "GET /foo/index.php HTTP/1.1"
> 200 42999
> 74.178.140.153 - - [17/Oct/2018:06:32:12 -0400] "POST
> /oxwall/base/ping/index/ HTTP/1.1" 200 83
> 74.178.140.153 - - [17/Oct/2018:06:32:18 -0400] "POST
> /oxwall/base/ping/index/ HTTP/1.1" 200 83
> 74.178.140.153 - - [17/Oct/2018:06:32:24 -0400] "POST
> /oxwall/base/ping/index/ H
Re: OT: replace a timestamp across multiple files
Allegedly, on or about 17 October 2018, Mike Wright sent: > I have a set of dns zone text files in "bind" format. On the fourth > line there is a 10 digit timestamp (ignoring white space, the first > field). There is no way to predetermine the value so search and > replace by value is a no go and seems to require some positional > approach such as "line 4, first 10 digit field". Do you care what the value *was*? If not, find the line, and replace the entire line, simply setting the serial number to a new value. e.g. year+month+day+hour+minute+second DNS serial numbers merely have to be greater than the prior value to be paid attention to. If you use that technique, it's virtually guaranteed. NB: if more than one thing changes serial numbers using this method, pay attention to timezones (for the generated numbers) and get everything to generate GMT/UTC derived ones. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Television should really come with an intelligence knob. I've tried adjusting the brightness, but it didn't help. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?
On Sat, 2018-10-20 at 14:42 -0700, stan wrote: > There's a big mail thread on fedora-devel about using a web forum > software called Discourse instead of mailing lists. I won't use them, at all. I don't participate in any of them. I've looked at some when googling for answers, hated every one of them. And you're going to find a lot of that - unknown viewers who don't contribute. I participate in several mailing lists. All my messages come to me, I don't have to login to several sites to do what I do. Forums are massively inconvenient. I see forums full of the same questions, so they don't change that aspect of mailing lists (people asking the same things, instead of checking first). The few answers I see on forums are often crap, uttered by the barely knowledgable, holding the wrong end of the stick. Want examples, look at the Ubuntu ones. Webforums are an even bigger mess of quoting crap. The separation of topics means a lot of clicking through to see what's going on, as opposed to scrolling through one message list. Webmasters like to keep changing how they work, so they're continually being inconsistent, but nearly always inadequate. There's usually more interface than content. The interfaces are often diabolical for anybody with eyesight problems. Browser incompatibilities... -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. A positive attitude is worth the effort if it annoys enough people. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?
Allegedly, on or about 22 October 2018, Federico Bruni sent: > Given the replies so far, my opinion is that this list should not > switch to Discourse. Likewise. I imagine some confusion with *some* people not understanding why we would want to keep a mailing list is probably with those people who don't use regular mail clients for their mail. If they're already (doing the inconvenient thing of) checking their email through a website, they probably don't see any reason why not to doing something else the same way. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Replacing email list for users with a web forum software called Discourse, what's your opinion?
On Mon, 2018-10-22 at 18:56 -0700, stan wrote: > I wasn't clear. The link isn't to any potential replacement for the > users list. Oh really? What's the subject line for this thread say? And the content of the first message. This thread that you started... Who are you, the Iraqi minister for information? -- Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
user pictures on logon screen
Currently I have GDM providing the logon screen, for when I use the MATE desktop. Is it possible to get it to show the user face pictures, without having to make user directories world executable? Surely there's some way for user profile pictures to be put in some outside directory (not ~/username/), and have them read from there. -- Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: user pictures on logon screen
Tim: >> Currently I have GDM providing the logon screen, for when I use the >> MATE desktop. Is it possible to get it to show the user face >> pictures, without having to make user directories world executable? >> >> Surely there's some way for user profile pictures to be put in some >> outside directory (not ~/username/), and have them read from there. Samuel Sieb: > Did you try setting the icon parameter to something with an absolute > path? If there's a place to set a path, I'd like to know about it. Thus far, all I know is if users put an image called .face in their home directory, the greeter will display it. If they use one of the desktop utilities to fill in their personal details, and choose an image file, it creates that .face file for them. Of course, the greeter can't read that file when the home directory permissions are rwx-- (and that's how they're going to stay, on this system). I'd have thought there could be some /var/something... place where each user could have their pictures stored. -- Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: ghost town
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 09:50 +, Barry wrote: > The majority of user traffic is on https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/ > these days. I flatly refuse to use webforums. They're extremely inconvenient. Email comes to me, I can go through it in my spare time as I see fit. Websites waste my time in a massive way. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Fora vs. mailing lists
Thomas Cameron: >> I hate using fora. I generally have to open a separate tab for each >> forum I'm on, and I'm on a LOT. Joe Zeff: > Why keep a separate tab for each forum open at all times? How many of > them do you actually need to look at each day? Firstly, I thoroughly agree with all of Thomas's points from his opening message. At one stage, I was on about 11 different (technical) mailing lists. It's less now, but even having to go to a few different sites to see what's going on, and tediously reply back in their nearly always badly designed form, is something I refuse to do. Not to mention they rarely allow you to save a draft, to work on a message that takes time to compile. Forcing to use an external editor for such things. And then you find you can't post something because you typed some < or > symbols in and their HTML message handler is crap. Facebook is the only web forum I participate in, and only because it can't be done in another way, and only because friends kept on dragging me into the damn thing. It's such a massive time-waster. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Fora vs. mailing lists
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 11:32 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > However, realize that you spend a long time setting all that up. > The subscriptions, filtering, how things look in your email client, etc. > For someone new or just wanting to ask a question or two, lists are > horrible. I say forums aren't that much better. Have you seen reddit? If you google a "how do I?" question, invariably reddit is the response, with some awfully crap information, and dozens of unrelated things. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Fora vs. mailing lists
Joe Zeff wrote (about web forums): > why don't you simply set as many of them as possible to email you > when there's a reply? Have you noticed how many of them won't let you reply to an email notification? Essentially you get a "someone left you a message" message, no details on what the message is, and no way to respond without going to the website. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Fora vs. mailing lists
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 22:29 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > It shortly became clear that the user experience of interacting with > Discourse via email was significantly worse than a traditional mailing > list, so a bunch of us set up a new list > (evolution-us...@lists.osuosl.org) where we continue on our merry way. > The Discourse instance still exists (the two mechanisms are entirely > separate with no cross-posting between them), but traffic on the > mailing list is noticeably greater than on the forum, which I think > says something. Actually, I always preferred usenet/newsgroups to any of these. It was a vastly superior way of handling lots of messages, threads, and different groups. But one problem was that so many people access them through a very badly designed email client that didn't do news properly (Outlook). Two large problems with the quick-to-use schemes (typically web forums) was that you (a) still don't avoid 100 people asking the same question (they don't read FAQs, and many FAQ collections are hideous to use), and (b) they don't stick around and contribute as their skill levels improve. It's hit and run, 100 times over. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Which scanner/copier do you use with Fedora?
On Tue, 2024-03-19 at 09:00 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: > But I will never buy another HP again. They screw you on the ink, and > they are apparently using DRM so you can't use third party ink. Screw > that. Never again. It's a shame we can't override such shenanigans with custom drivers. That and things like scanner/printer combos wasting all your ink when you scan to file without any printing. It's also annoying that it wastes several minutes of your time doing that crap before it'll let you scan something. I don't want to ever buy a combo unit again. During the plague shutdowns there was some supply issues, so codes were released for people to enter to override non-chipped ink tanks on some models. So there are ways to override that crap. Just sell your ink at reasonable prices and we'll buy the genuine stuff instead of the crap cheapies. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Hotel wifi network - how to connect / ssh between 2 laptops
On Fri, 2024-03-22 at 11:45 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: > You will almost certainly not be able to connect between devices on a > commercial wifi network. They don't want folks to attack other machines > on the network. It would be a huge scandal if a hotel allowed a guest to > connect to other guests' laptops. And yet, it happens... I have a home network, it allegedly offers an isolated guest WiFi WLAN. I put things I don't trust on it, such as smart home devices. I've dabbled with some smart lighting, putting some mood lighting to come on at dusk, dim late at night so I don't trip over anything going to the bathroom, and go off at dawn. Leaving essential lighting manually controlled. And I won't be putting anything I consider hazardous under cloud control (such as heating). Sometimes you *can* make connections to them. Sometime they can make connections to things on the wired LAN (I don't think that should be allowed). My phone, on my full-access WiFi can definitely control the lighting on the isolated guest WiFi, though I expect that's going through the cloud. My phone can sometimes access the Google TV dongle, trialling it on the isolated guest WiFi, I'm not sure what method that's using. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
