HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd
I've been trying to get an HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt to boot from dvd. So far no luck. I've managed to get DVD listed as the first boot entry for both UEFI and legacy. The machine seems to try and fail. The error messages go by rather fast. I think I've seem things like "invalid header" and "no such file", but am not as sure as I'd like to be. Most recently I tried and failed with Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-39.1.5.iso Any idea what I should try next? My late girlfriend used it. I remember her password, which is why she is not on the sudo list. I do not remember either the root password or my own. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd
Thanks folks. Disabling UEFI mode did the trick, though I do not understand why it was necessary. I thought that recent Fedora DVDs worked with both legacy and UEFI. The Fedora-WS-Live-39-1.5 DVD does have an EFI directory. I didn't get a grub menu until disabling UEFI. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Thomas Cameron wrote: Fedora can install on either legacy BIOS mode or modern UEFI. But when it installs on UEFI systems, it creates a special partition mounted on /boot/efi. If you boot a system which was installed in BIOS mode in UEFI mode, it doesn't see that partition and won't boot. To be clear: I wasn't trying to boot the hard drive or install to it. I was just trying to boot the DVD. Eventually I succeeded by disabling UEFI. The need surprised me. To boot from the hard drive, I had to re-enable UEFI. If you want to run Fedora in UEFI mode, I am relatively certain you have to reinstall (but I could absolutely be wrong). When I got a machine which supported UEFI, I initially turned off UEFI and Secure Boot because I'd heard horror stories about them with Linux. When I changed it to UEFI, I couldn't access my Linux installation. But since I had a backup of my home directory on another machine, I just nuked it and reinstalled, then restored my home directory. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2024-03-25 at 11:07 -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: dmesg > /dev/nvme1n1 What's that about? My guess is that nvm stands for non-volatile memory. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: HP elitedesk 705 G1 mt will not boot from dvd
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 3/25/24 08:21, Michael Hennebry wrote: Thanks folks. Disabling UEFI mode did the trick, though I do not understand why it was necessary. I thought that recent Fedora DVDs worked with both legacy and UEFI. The Fedora-WS-Live-39-1.5 DVD does have an EFI directory. I didn't get a grub menu until disabling UEFI. The DVD does work with both, so it's most likely an issue with the firmware on the system. Have you checked for firmware updates? Does it have an option to select an EFI file to boot from? I thought file selection was part of grub. Didn't get to grub until I disabled UEFI. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Failed to find a suitable stage1 device
While trying to install from Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-39-1.5.iso , I got the following: Failed to find a suitable stage1 device: EFI System Partition must be mounted on one of /boot/efi.; EFI System Partition cannot be of type None; EFI System Partition cannot be of type NTFS; EFI System Partition must be mounted on one of /boot/efi.; EFI System Partition cannot be of type ext4.; EFI System partition must be mounted on one of /boot/efi.; ... repetition I am not happy. The target is an HP EliteBook (not EliteDesk). The partition editing was done with Windows 10, which is still present. According to Anaconda: sda1 partition efi 100 MiB sda2 partition 16 MiB sda3 partition ntfs 220.83 GiB sda4 partition ext4 97.66 GiB slash / sda5 partition ext4 97.66 GiB home /home sda6 partition ext4 19.53 GiB var /var free space free space 517.58 GiB sda7 partition ntfs 509 MiB sda3, sda5 and sda6 exist because I used the Windows 10 tool. I left formating up to anaconda. Anaconda has not yet formatted them. What is going on? How do I do the installation? I do not rmember my last pain-free install. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Failed to find a suitable stage1 device
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Samuel Sieb wrote: The efi partition probably needs to be bigger than that, but it also has to be mounted at /boot/efi as indicated. Ah! With custom partitioning, anaconda needs to be explicitly told the EFI partition is the EFI partition. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Failed to find a suitable stage1 device
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Samuel Sieb wrote: The efi partition probably needs to be bigger than that, but it also has to be mounted at /boot/efi as indicated. Ah! With custom partitioning, anaconda needs to be explicitly told the EFI partition is the EFI partition. As I should have mentioned earlier, it works now. I promptly took it on the road and forgot to bring my password list. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40
On Sat, 20 Apr 2024, George N. White III wrote: There are things Wayland won't permit (xeyes), and things that are yet to implemented. The latter may not get much attention if they aren't I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes? -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Tim via users wrote: On Thu, 2024-04-25 at 16:00 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I'll bite: Wassa matter with xeyes? My guess would be that something monitoring mouse movements when those mouse movements could be related to another app is considered insecure. Well, *I* would consider it insecure if any app could see what I was doing with the mouse at any time. Not obvious. Presumably most GUIs would need to monitor the mouse. Presumably most GUIs would be started by the owner of the mouse. If xeyes is not allowed, presumably gnome-screenshot --include-pointer is not allowed either. If the issue is looking outside one's window, presumably gnome-screenshot is not allowed at all. e.g. On screen keyboards for password entry. Or those /draw a shape/ with your mouse instead of typing a password. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Fedora 40 is available
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2024-04-26 at 08:22 +0930, Tim via users wrote: as far as xz, for F40, the affected version was only in updates- testing Thanks. Also wondering how far back the breach went. I remember reading that the person had being playing the long game about doing this. They spent a long time setting it up, but the actual breach wasn't introduced until very recently, and IIRC was caught before it made it to a stable release. How was it caught? If it's what I read about recently, 'twas a bit of a fluke. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods-- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Tim via users wrote: Tim: (re xeyes) My guess would be that something monitoring mouse movements when those mouse movements could be related to another app is considered insecure. Well, *I* would consider it insecure if any app could see what I was doing with the mouse at any time. Michael Hennebry: Not obvious. Presumably most GUIs would need to monitor the mouse. Presumably most GUIs would be started by the owner of the mouse. If xeyes is not allowed, presumably gnome-screenshot --include-pointer is not allowed either. Is it? If the issue is looking outside one's window, presumably gnome-screenshot is not allowed at all. I'm thinking more in principle than specifics... If xeyes could do it, so could something else, so one might forbid the practice in general. I got that. If a nefarious program can impersonate the mouse owner, said owner already has problems. I suppose the same would apply to keyboard owners. It's one thing to observe the mouse has moved, to nudge the screensaver timer, for instance. But it's another thing to track the movements precisely. Does wayland allow it? Tangentially related, nefarious keylogging springs to mind. If only one thing at a time could monitor what you type, and nothing else could pretend to be a keyboard and pass them through, software key loggers would be harder to implement. Your key entries only going into what you intend them to. Something that tried to intercept them would apparently stop the keyboard from working - your typing wouldn't appear where you expected it to, as you typed. Of course that would break global hotkeys, and on-screen keyboards. Ideas about security always seem to mess up something else. SELinux is like that. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Live USB extra space
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: I "Finally" have a customer interested in Fedora. I talked him into letting me spin a Live USB flash drive for him to play with before we jump ahead. Question: Is there a way to use the extra space on the drive to install a few more programs for him to experiment with? If you are really makking the spin yourself, you should be able to put anything you want on it. I infer that you are actually copying a .iso file to a USB stick. I have on occasion installed a Fedora system onto an SD card sitting in a USB SD card reader/writer. Do the install. Update. Add stuff you want. Hand it to customer. You might want to make /bin /usr/bin and some other directories and their files unwriteable. Another possibility. IIRC a .iso file will boot from a partition. Give the flash device two partitions. Make the first partition a copy of the .iso file. In the other partition, put a bunch of .rpm's and a script that the customer can click on. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
getting out of bridge mode
I'm running F38 with an Arris router provided by Midcontinent. The connection is by ethernet cable. Somehow the router got into bridge mode which turns off wifi. I've tried to login to turn off bridge mode. No go. I eventually get a popup saying the operation timed out. After dismissing the popup, I get another popup saying that the reason was that the router connection was lost. ping 8.8.8.8 succeeds. How do I figure out what is going on? What do I do about it? Power cycling has not helped. How many young goats do I need? -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: getting out of bridge mode
On Tue, 21 May 2024, Samuel Sieb wrote: You probably need your ISP to do that. Once it's in bridge mode, it's basically invisible. Whatever device is connected to it has a direct internet connection now. You might be able to access it if you can figure out the IP address. Do you remember what its IP address was before it went to bridge mode? If so, you can try setting the attached device to a static IP address in the same range and try to connect. 192.168.0.1 gets me to the router login page. I just cannot login any more. I have logged in before. My expectation is that I can get it out of bridge mode if I can login. The attached device is a Midco-supplied Tivo. I think I could get it to tell me its IP address, but I suspect it wouldn't matter, as I am not trying to connect my PC to the Tivo. Also the cable from my office to the Tivo in the living room would be a major tripping hazard. How do I figure out why I cannot login? -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: getting out of bridge mode
On Wed, 22 May 2024, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 5/21/24 11:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Tue, 21 May 2024, Samuel Sieb wrote: You probably need your ISP to do that. Once it's in bridge mode, it's basically invisible. Whatever device is connected to it has a direct internet connection now. You might be able to access it if you can figure out the IP address. Do you remember what its IP address was before it went to bridge mode? If so, you can try setting the attached device to a static IP address in the same range and try to connect. 192.168.0.1 gets me to the router login page. Try reloading the page without cache to make sure you actually are there. ctrl-shift-R for firefox. Did that. It timed out. ping 8.8.8.8 still works. I just cannot login any more. I have logged in before. My expectation is that I can get it out of bridge mode if I can login. The attached device is a Midco-supplied Tivo. How is that attached? How is your computer connected? My computer is connected to the router by an ethernet cable. The Tivo was connected to the router by Wifi. Even if a long enough cable were immediately available, 'Twould be a major tripping hazard. I'd rather learn to live without bridge mode than with it. I don't understand where the Tivo came in. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods-- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: getting out of bridge mode
Hard reset did the trick. Apparently power cycling does not do a hard reset. Bridge mode is gone and I can login. Thanks folks. Time for a nap. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: getting out of bridge mode
On Wed, 22 May 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote: Hard reset did the trick. Apparently power cycling does not do a hard reset. Bridge mode is gone and I can login. Actually there was still a problem. Even though Wifi was back on, the router was still not connecting to the Midco-tivo. Made no sense to me, so I finally called tech support. Turns out, Midco-tivo does not use Wifi, it uses Moca. Tech suport turned it on, but still no go, so she scheduled a technician to come over. Turns out, tech support had not turned on Moca. I think the router might have lied to her about that. The technician did get Moca turned back on and all was right with that part of the world. Of course, had I known or suspected Moca was the issue, I'd have tried to turn it on myself. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird - Wayland / other apps
On Mon, 17 Jun 2024, Stephen Morris wrote: I'm not sure this is helpful, but it may be an attempt to emulate windows. I have a similar issue under Windows 10 where all apps, not relative to the screen saver, when minimised and subsequently maximised display on the monitor configured as the primary monitor. I have always hated this functionality. In that case, there *should* be an opt-out somewhere. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
password issue with f40
I recently installed F40 from DVD. F40 and I are having a difference of opinion regarding what password I gave the initial user. F40 is winning. I find it hard to believe I typed in the same wrong password twice, but it's F40's opinion that counts. I try to login: click on the user and type in my password. F40 just goes back to the select a user screen. There is only one user. My usual strategy is to boot a live disk and to edit the passwd and shadow files directly. It did not work. Now F40 no longer even gives me a chance to type in a password. It just blinks at me and goes right back to the select a user screen. What is going on? How do I fix it? I would much prefer not to reinstall. Even if I have to reinstall, I would like to know what is going on. My line from /etc/passwd : hennebry::1000:1000:The Michael:/home/hennebry:/bin/bash My line from /etc/shadow : hennebry::19893:0:9:7::: -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:24:48 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry wrote: My usual strategy is to boot a live disk and to edit the passwd and shadow files directly. My strategy is to boot a live cd, then chroot into the copy on disk and use the passwd command. Maybe that would work better? I'll try that. Since it has worked for you, I infer that you did an su first, otherwise I'd expect passwd to ask for a password. Note to quoters of boilerplate: Please follow Tom's example with regard to quoting. The Michael is late for breakfast. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024, Barry wrote: You could login at a console and eliminate the gui as a problem. Type alt-ctrl-f3 to get a console. Thank you for that suggestion. I could login from a console. Clearly the problem was not my password. Auto-relabel did not get me back to the gui, but just getting a console meant I could actually work. I created another user and discovered that that user could login from the gui. Eventually I: Created another wheel user; from that user, renamed my home directory and put a dummy in its place; userdel'ed my account; uaseradd'ed my account with UID 1000 . Never did figure out why the gui did not like me. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
I just discovered something interesting: None of the accounts on my machine will login with Xorg. The option is offered, but is does not work. For F40, I had selected gnome-classic with Xorg. New accounts defaulted to gnome with Wayland. When I made a new hennebry account, even with an old home directory, it got the default and allowed me to login. I infer that the option is not stored in the home directory. Not being able to use Xorg is not good news. Last time I had trouble running videos, part of the solution was switching to Xorg. The rest, I think, was installing the H.264 decoder. I found the thread, but it does not tell me the name of the package or the name of the repo. Also, I do not know whether videos will work for me with Wayland. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024, Roger Heflin wrote: You would need to find the log file that starts up Xorg after you login it. There are a number of things that can be set wrong and/or missing that will cause Xorg to attempt to start and fail and exit like this. F39 puts the log file here on my machine. /var/log/Xorg.0.log No go on F40. I expect I need some incantation involving journalctl . On most of my machines I have it set to default to multi-user mode (no gui) and login as a user on the console and then type startx as that gives me a much easier way to debug the failure. it also lets me more easily boot up and login to console and fix/debug more basic boot up issue without being troubled to login to the gui. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
The mail server I use for fedora is not mine and it was down for a bit. On Fri, 21 Jun 2024, Tim via users wrote: On Thu, 2024-06-20 at 00:30 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: I just discovered something interesting: None of the accounts on my machine will login with Xorg. The option is offered, but is does not work. In what sense, *exactly*, "does not work"? I could not login. The screen would blink. Sometimes I would briefly see a cursor. I'd be back at the login screen. I remember an old X problem where you'd try to log in and get an immediate failure that threw you back to the login greeter due to wrong directory permissions on /tmp. *Working* example: [tim@rocky ~]$ ll -d /tmpdrwxrwxrwt. 18 root root 12288 Jun 21 07:08 /tmp hennebry@2001-48F8-3004-2CE-0-0-0-D31E-dynamic:~$ ls -ld /tmp drwxrwxrwt. 23 root root 540 Jun 20 22:23 /tmp I found the Xorg log in ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log . Here is the tail end after a failed attempt to login: [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Printing probed modes for output VGA-1 [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1440x900"x59.9 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 -hsync +vsync (55.9 kHz eP) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x75.0 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x60.0 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1440x900"x75.0 136.75 1440 1536 1688 1936 900 903 909 942 -hsync +vsync (70.6 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1280x960"x60.0 108.00 1280 1376 1488 1800 960 961 964 1000 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1152x864"x75.0 108.00 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1024x768"x75.0 78.75 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1024x768"x70.1 75.00 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (56.5 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "832x624"x74.6 57.28 832 864 928 1152 624 625 628 667 -hsync -vsync (49.7 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "800x600"x72.2 50.00 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync (48.1 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "800x600"x75.0 49.50 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.3 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "800x600"x56.2 36.00 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync (35.2 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "640x480"x75.0 31.50 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "640x480"x72.8 31.50 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 -hsync -vsync (37.9 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "640x480"x66.7 30.24 640 704 768 864 480 483 486 525 -hsync -vsync (35.0 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9 25.18 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "720x400"x70.1 28.32 720 738 846 900 400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz e) [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Output VGA-1 connected [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes [ 40469.777] (II) modeset(0): Output VGA-1 using initial mode 1440x900 +0+0 [ 40469.777] (==) modeset(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) [ 40469.777] (==) modeset(0): DPI set to (96, 96) [ 40469.777] (II) Loading sub module "fb" [ 40469.777] (II) LoadModule: "fb" [ 40469.778] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so [ 40469.778] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 40469.778]compiled for 1.20.14, module version = 1.0.0 [ 40469.778]ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 [ 40469.778] (WW) glamor requires at least 128 instructions (64 reported) [ 40469.778] (EE) modeset(0): Failed to initialize glamor at ScreenInit() time. [ 40469.778] (EE) Fatal server error: [ 40469.778] (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 [ 40469.778] (EE) [ 40469.778] (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. [ 40469.778] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/home/hennebry/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. [ 40469.779] (EE) [ 40469.784] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. Per request, the output from inxi -Fzxx : System: Ke
Re: password issue with f40
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024, Tim via users wrote: Tim: Michael Hennebry wrote: I could not login. The screen would blink. Sometimes I would briefly see a cursor. I'd be back at the login screen. [ 40469.778] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/home/hennebry/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. And that file... is the fle I was quoting. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
From /home/hennebry/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log [ 81949.159] (WW) glamor requires at least 128 instructions (64 reported) [ 81949.159] (EE) modeset(0): Failed to initialize glamor at ScreenInit() time. [ 81949.159] (EE) Fatal server error: [ 81949.159] (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 Is this modeset a reference to the modeset on the kernel command line? Do I need glamor? If not, how do I tell Xorg that I do not? Possibly related: totem does not play movies. totem complains that it cannot initialize openGL support. I've installed pretty much everything I can think of, including *opengl* , *openGL* and *mesa* . No go. Firefox can play local movies. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
A bit more info: hennebry@fedora:~$ glxinfo -B name of display: :0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes Extended renderer info (GLX_MESA_query_renderer): Vendor: Mesa Project (0x8086) Device: i915 (chipset: Q33) (0x29d2) Version: 24.1.1 Accelerated: yes Video memory: 384MB Unified memory: yes Preferred profile: compat (0x2) Max core profile version: 0.0 Max compat profile version: 2.1 Max GLES1 profile version: 1.1 Max GLES[23] profile version: 2.0 OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project OpenGL renderer string: i915 (chipset: Q33) OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 24.1.1 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 OpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 2.0 Mesa 24.1.1 OpenGL ES profile shading language version string: OpenGL ES GLSL ES 1.0.16 I note Max core profile version: 0.0, which I have read is not good, but I do not know what to do about it. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote: Possibly related: totem does not play movies. totem complains that it cannot initialize openGL support. Correction: could not initialise openGL support I've installed pretty much everything I can think of, including *opengl* , *openGL* and *mesa* . No go. Firefox can play local movies. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
On Fri, 21 Jun 2024, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2024-06-21 at 09:44 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote: Possibly related: totem does not play movies. totem complains that it cannot initialize openGL support. Correction: could not initialise openGL support I've installed pretty much everything I can think of, including *opengl* , *openGL* and *mesa* . No go. Firefox can play local movies. Maybe a codec issue? Try 'mediainfo' on the file and possibly install any missing codecs from RPMfusion. $ mediainfo chloe*.MOV | grep -i codec Codec ID : qt .00 (qt ) Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info: Advanced Video Coding Codec configuration box : avcC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity Codec ID : mp4a-40-2 Codec ID : mebx Codec ID : mebx Codec ID : mebx I've not gotten anywhere searching for any of these. Strange that firefox can play it, but totem cannot. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
On Thu, 20 Jun 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Thu, 20 Jun 2024, Roger Heflin wrote: You would need to find the log file that starts up Xorg after you login it. There are a number of things that can be set wrong and/or missing that will cause Xorg to attempt to start and fail and exit like this. F39 puts the log file here on my machine. /var/log/Xorg.0.log No go on F40. I expect I need some incantation involving journalctl . I looked yet again and this time I did find such a file. 'Tis different from the one under ~/.local Here is the tail end. [ 592.348] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session /org/freedesktop/login1/session/c8 [ 592.352] (--) PCI:*(0@0:2:0) 8086:29d2:103c:281e rev 2, Mem @ 0xf010/524288, 0xe000/268435456, 0xf000/1048576, I/O @ 0x1240/8, BIOS @ 0x/131072 [ 592.353] (II) LoadModule: "glx" [ 592.353] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 592.355] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 592.355]compiled for 1.20.14, module version = 1.0.0 [ 592.355]ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0 [ 592.355] (==) Matched intel as autoconfigured driver 0 [ 592.355] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 1 [ 592.355] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 2 [ 592.355] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 3 [ 592.355] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout [ 592.355] (II) LoadModule: "intel" [ 592.355] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module intel [ 592.355] (EE) Failed to load module "intel" (module does not exist, 0) [ 592.355] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting" [ 592.356] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so [ 592.356] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 592.356]compiled for 1.20.14, module version = 1.20.14 [ 592.356]Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 592.356]ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.1 [ 592.356] (II) LoadModule: "fbdev" [ 592.356] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev [ 592.356] (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) [ 592.356] (II) LoadModule: "vesa" [ 592.356] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module vesa [ 592.356] (EE) Failed to load module "vesa" (module does not exist, 0) [ 592.356] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms [ 592.356] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [ 592.356] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting [ 592.356] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory [ 592.357] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. [ 592.357] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting" [ 592.357] (EE) Device(s) detected, but none match those in the config file. [ 592.357] (EE) Fatal server error: [ 592.357] (EE) no screens found(EE) [ 592.357] (EE) Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. [ 592.357] (EE) Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. [ 592.357] (EE) [ 592.359] (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file. I note that Xorg could not find intel, fbdev or vesa, all of which strike me as s trange. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
On Mon, 24 Jun 2024, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2024-06-23 at 17:54 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: Strange that firefox can play it, but totem cannot. AFAIK Firefox has its own built-in codecs, while totem uses the gstreamer library and plugins. Here's what I have: $ rpm -qa gstreamer\* gstreamer1-svt-vp9-0.3.0-11.fc40.x86_64 gstreamermm-1.10.0-22.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-good-qt-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-good-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-good-qt6-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-good-gtk-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-1.24.4-1.fc40.i686 gstreamer1-vaapi-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugin-libav-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-ugly-free-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.24.4-1.fc40.i686 gstreamer1-plugin-openh264-1.24.4-2.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-libs-1.24.4-2.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-1.24.4-2.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-svt-av1-2.1.0-1.fc40.x86_64 gstreamer1-plugins-good-1.24.4-1.fc40.i686 gstreamer1-plugins-ugly-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 Note that gstreamer1-plugins-ugly is from RPMfusion because of licensing issues. Could not find it in rpnfusion-nonfree-* . Found it in rpmfusion-free-source rpmfusion-free-updates-source rpmfusion-free-debuginfo rpmfusion-free-updates-debuginfo None of them seem right. I installed the rpmfusion .rpm's listed here: https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration I had to use rpm, as firefox just downloaded. To search for the package, I used sudo dnf --enablerepo=rpmfusion-\* whatprovides '*plugins-ugly-1.2*' | grep Repo From which rpmfusion repo did your gstreamer1-plugins-ugly-1.24.4-1.fc40.x86_64 come? This wrangling with fedora vs. rpmfusion has a familiar ring to it. Once I have the correct repositories, wold it be wise of me to: 1. Delete all the gstreamer stuff. 2. Mark all my rpmfusion repos as having a higher priority than the redhat repos. 3. Install the gstreamer stuff. ? Would this require booting to a non-graphical level? -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: password issue with f40
On Mon, 24 Jun 2024, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 6/24/24 5:58 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2024, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Note that gstreamer1-plugins-ugly is from RPMfusion because of licensing issues. # dnf search -v plugins-ugly Have it now, but it did not help. Any ideas? -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
brlaser fails to build
I recently installed F40. My Brother HL-L2360DW printer is one of the few that fedora linus's does not handle by default. In the past, brlaser, https://github.com/pdewacht/brlaser , has helped me out of that difficulty. This time, no go: Despite doing a sudo dnf install 'cups*' , make tells gives me undefined reference messages: cupsRasterReadPixels cupsRasterReadHeader2 cupsRasterOpen Anyone have an idea how to fix this? -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: brlaser fails to build
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote: I recently installed F40. My Brother HL-L2360DW printer is one of the few that fedora linus's does not handle by default. In the past, brlaser, https://github.com/pdewacht/brlaser , has helped me out of that difficulty. This time, no go: Despite doing a sudo dnf install 'cups*' , make tells gives me undefined reference messages: cupsRasterReadPixels cupsRasterReadHeader2 cupsRasterOpen $ nm -D /usr/lib64/libcups.so.2 | grep -e cupsRasterReadPixels -e cupsRasterReadHeader2 -e cupsRasterOpen 0003bab0 T cupsRasterOpen 0003bae0 T cupsRasterOpenIO 000392f0 T cupsRasterReadHeader2 000382f0 T _cupsRasterReadPixels 00039390 T cupsRasterReadPixels -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: brlaser fails to build
On Sat, 29 Jun 2024, Lukas Middendorf wrote: On 28/06/2024 23:32, Michael Hennebry wrote: I recently installed F40. My Brother HL-L2360DW printer is one of the few that fedora linus's does not handle by default. In the past, brlaser, https://github.com/pdewacht/brlaser , has helped me out of that difficulty. Does the package printer-driver-brlaser from the normal fedora repos not work for your printer? The HL-L2360D is in the list of supported devices. Thank you for that information. I'd not realized it was available. When I'd first started using brlaser, I believe it was not available. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: brlaser fails to build
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024, Jerry James wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 3:47?PM Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2024, Michael Hennebry wrote: I recently installed F40. My Brother HL-L2360DW printer is one of the few that fedora linus's does not handle by default. In the past, brlaser, https://github.com/pdewacht/brlaser , has helped me out of that difficulty. This time, no go: Despite doing a sudo dnf install 'cups*' , make tells gives me undefined reference messages: cupsRasterReadPixels cupsRasterReadHeader2 cupsRasterOpen $ nm -D /usr/lib64/libcups.so.2 | grep -e cupsRasterReadPixels -e cupsRasterReadHeader2 -e cupsRasterOpen 0003bab0 T cupsRasterOpen 0003bae0 T cupsRasterOpenIO 000392f0 T cupsRasterReadHeader2 000382f0 T _cupsRasterReadPixels 00039390 T cupsRasterReadPixels That suggests that "-lcups" is either too early on the link line (before the object that refers to these functions) or missing from the link line altogether. Can you show the compiler or linker invocation that issues the errors? I'd drawn the same conclusion and was trying to find it. CMake and I think a recursive make is involved, I think recursion was thwarting my efforts to get make to print the command. In any case, the suggested printer-driver-brlaser package got the job done, so I'm not going to try very hard to work it out. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: crazy dependencies
On Mon, 1 Jul 2024, Lukas Middendorf wrote: It's likely some update of the evolution package that makes it depend on the gstreamer plugins now (that error proves that the dependency is real). You could not have avoided that by not installing the gstreamer plugins. Installing or updating evolution would have forced you to install the gstreamer plugins. One way to test that theory would be to do a dnf update before installing the gstreamer plugins. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: make a bootable dvd
On Mon, 8 Jul 2024, Klaus-Peter Schrage via users wrote: The OP definitely asked for a tool to create a bootable dvd. With a gui, this may be done through k3b. As a commandline tool, wodim should work, even the dd command: dd used to work. I've even used cp. It's been a while. So far as I know, neither will burn a disk anymore. https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/how-to-burn-iso-image-to-dvd/79250 -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Is there an equivalent of Ubuntu Pro for Fedora?
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024, Jeffrey Walton wrote: That's called an Appeal to Authority. On the password expiration item, the authority was the DoD. It is a fallacious argument. They should have appealed to a god, like Yahweh, Jesus or Allah. They would get more blind followers. Or Kahan. Appeal to authority is not necessarily a fallacy. Quoting Professor Kahan regarding the accuracy of floating point numbers would not be a fallacy. Authorities are not necessarly infallible or honest, so such a quote would be evidence, but not proof. Quoting the professor regarding the identification of poison ivy would be a different story. One would be relying not only on his honesty, but also on his ability to know whether he knows how to identify poison ivy. That said, as noted, 9 out of 10 doctors is a tad vague. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Again, OT, but many people who think voting systems are simple haven't actually thought it through (and experienced IT experts are particularly prone to this fallacy), I mean it's just counting isn't it?). The real world problem is not the technology itself, it's persuading people to trust something they can't see, where some actors have a vested interest in telling their supporters that the system is fraudulent or that The Man is trying to manipulate them. In North dakota, USA, we have paper ballots counted by machine. Some other states have gone all-electonic: There is no real provision for discovering, much less fixing problems. -- Michael henne...@mail.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Linux vs. Vision Tek Radeon HD3650
A Vision Tek Radeon HD3650 is the only AGP card I can find locally. I've been looking at http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/Projects/Drivers?action=show&redirect=VideoDrivers , but I'm still not sure whether linux supports the card. I don't see anything with a remotely similar name. Does that mean that linux does not support any card remotely like it? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Linux vs. Vision Tek Radeon HD3650
On Tue, 25 May 2010, suvayu ali wrote: On 25 May 2010 09:03, Brian A. Seklecki wrote: I don't see anything with a remotely similar name. Does that mean that linux does not support any card remotely like it? soundwave:/home/bseklecki$ grep HD /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep 3650 ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series, ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP, ATI Radeon HD 3600 PRO, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650, Clearly the radeonhd(4) man page needs to be updated. AFAIK Radeohd has been abandoned. You should switch to radeon. The bottom line is that I can replace my video card and expect the new one to work. Thanks much. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then." -- John Woods-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
I'm on my third video card. The first was a radeon. After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it. Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one, I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650. It was the AGP card I could find. Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine. I'm using it now. knop...@knoppix:~$ uname -a Linux Knoppix 2.6.19 #7 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 17 22:01:07 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux knop...@knoppix:~$ Fedora 11, not so great. It never gets to X. The last messages to the console involve the ethernet connection. Disconnecting and reconnecting results in more messages. Alternate consoles show the login prompt. After logging in as root, I have to run dhclient explicitly to acccess the internet. At the suggestion of a friend, I did yum grouperase 'X Window System' yum groupinstall 'X Window System' It didn't help. Xorg.conf now says I have vesa where I used to say I had nvidia. What do I need to do to make Fedora work? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote: > I'm on my third video card. > The first was a radeon. > After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with > an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it. > Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one, > I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650. > It was the AGP card I could find. > Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine. > I'm using it now. > knop...@knoppix:~$ uname -a > Linux Knoppix 2.6.19 #7 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 17 22:01:07 CET 2006 i686 > GNU/Linux > knop...@knoppix:~$ > Fedora 11, not so great. > It never gets to X. > The last messages to the console involve the ethernet connection. Here is the result of dmesg | tail > ip6_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team > RPC: Registered udp transport module. > RPC: Registered tcp transport module. > SELinux: initialized (dev rpc_pipefs, type rpc_pipefs), uses genfs_contexts > ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready > e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex > ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready > audit(1275135885.989:15398): auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:s0 op=remove rule key=(null) list=4 res=0 > audit(1275135885.989:15399): audit_enabled=0 old=1 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:readahead_t:s0 res=1 > eth0: no IPv6 routers present I might have accidentally broken some lines. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote: > I'm on my third video card. > The first was a radeon. > After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with > an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it. > Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one, > I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650. > It was the AGP card I could find. > Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine. During start up, Knoppix emits a line like ... ATI ... Unkown device 9598 ... Xorg(ati) -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote: > I'm on my third video card. > The first was a radeon. > After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with > an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it. > Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one, > I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650. > It was the AGP card I could find. > Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine. I tried Xorg -probe X -config /root/xorg.conf.new just produced a messy screen. No discernable image. Here is /root/xorg.conf.new : > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "X.org Configured" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" > FontPath "catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d" > FontPath "built-ins" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "dbe" > Load "glx" > Load "dri2" > Load "record" > Load "dri" > Load "extmod" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "auto" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > #DisplaySize 340 270 # mm > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "AOC" > ModelName"LM720/LM720A" > HorizSync30.0 - 83.0 > VertRefresh 55.0 - 75.0 > Option "DPMS" > EndSection > > Section "Device" > ### Available Driver options are:- > ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", > ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" > ### [arg]: arg optional > #Option "NoAccel" # [] > #Option "SWcursor"# [] > #Option "Dac6Bit" # [] > #Option "Dac8Bit" # [] > #Option "BusType" # [] > #Option "CPPIOMode" # [] > #Option "CPusecTimeout" # > #Option "AGPMode" # > #Option "AGPFastWrite"# [] > #Option "AGPSize" # > #Option "GARTSize"# > #Option "RingSize"# > #Option "BufferSize" # > #Option "EnableDepthMoves"# [] > #Option "EnablePageFlip" # [] > #Option "NoBackBuffer"# [] > #Option "DMAForXv"# [] > #Option "FBTexPercent"# > #Option "DepthBits" # > #Option "PCIAPERSize" # > #Option "AccelDFS"# [] > #Option "IgnoreEDID" # [] > #Option "DisplayPriority" # [] > #Option "PanelSize" # [] > #Option "ForceMinDotClock"# > #Option "ColorTiling" # [] > #Option "VideoKey"# > #Option "RageTheatreCrystal" # > #Option "RageTheatreTunerPort"# > #Option "RageTheatreCompositePort"# > #Option "RageTheatreSVideoPort" # > #Option "TunerType" # > #Option "RageTheatreMicrocPath" # > #Option "RageTheatreMicrocType" # > #Option "ScalerWidth" # > #Option "RenderAccel" # [] > #Option "SubPixelOrder" # [] > #Option "ShowCache" # [] > #Option "DynamicClocks" # [] > #Option &q
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Sat, 29 May 2010, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 10:45 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> >>> I'm on my third video card. >>> The first was a radeon. >>> After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with >>> an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it. >>> Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one, >>> I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650. >>> It was the AGP card I could find. >>> Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine. >> >> I tried Xorg -probe >> X -config /root/xorg.conf.new >> just produced a messy screen. No discernable image. >> Here is /root/xorg.conf.new : > Not sure exactly where you are going with all of this but you should at > least start with the default which is no xorg.conf at all - so maybe as That was one of the first things I tried, but I'll try it again. > root, you should just 'mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-saved' > and then reboot and see what happens because I would guess that the > knoppix org.conf you are trying to use is from a much earlier version of > xorg. I never copied and xorg.conf from knoppix. That I could use knoppix demonstrated that the hardware worked. The quoted xorg.conf.new was from Xorg -probe . -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Sat, 29 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Sat, 29 May 2010, Craig White wrote: > >> On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 10:45 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >>> On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote: >>> >>>> I'm on my third video card. >>>> The first was a radeon. >>>> After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with >>>> an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it. >>>> Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one, >>>> I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650. >>>> It was the AGP card I could find. >>>> Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine. >>> >>> I tried Xorg -probe >>> X -config /root/xorg.conf.new >>> just produced a messy screen. No discernable image. >>> Here is /root/xorg.conf.new : > >> Not sure exactly where you are going with all of this but you should at >> least start with the default which is no xorg.conf at all - so maybe as > > That was one of the first things I tried, > but I'll try it again. I tried it again. It still didn;t work. In Xorg.0.log there is a warning that it is using the preferred frequency, 135 MHz, even though it is greater than the maximum frequency, 130 MHz. How do I tell it not to do that? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F13
On Sun, 30 May 2010, N James Bridge wrote: > Personally, I prefer to do a clean install, since it gets rid of > accumulated clutter. That assumes you have a convenient way of backing > up your /home directory. I back up regardless. If you have a /home partition and do a custom install, you can tell fedora not to mess with it. Changes in the formats of .files can cause problems though. Another way is to preserve a /user-data partition. /home can be in the / partition. When a user gets a spanking new home directory, he can add a soft link into /user-data. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F13
On Sun, 30 May 2010, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Why can't they just admit that LVM is a bad idea? > It belongs to a past age when disk-space was limited. LVM is probably useful. That said, I was innoculated against its virtues when it was sprung on me as a surprise during an install. If one has *one* computer, 'tis rather hard to look things up during an install. Has any one else replaced an nvidia card with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650 lately? 123456789- 23456789- 23456789- 23456789- 23456789- 23456789- 23456789- 23456789- -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to set monitor refresh rate more than 60hz in Fedora 13
On Sun, 30 May 2010, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Note: for Nvidia, ATI, and Intel graphics this probably won't work because the > enhanced drivers do things as they see fit. There are vendor (closed source) In my case, a problem is that the radeon driver is using the preferred frequency, 135 Mhz, even though it is greater than the maximum frequency, 130 MHz. So far as I can tell Fedora 11 isn't even trying to start X. For some reason, it hangs before it gets there, but when I start X from an alternate console, I just get a messy screen, nothing resembling an image. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F13
On Sun, 30 May 2010, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 08:19 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> On Sun, 30 May 2010, N James Bridge wrote: >> >>> Personally, I prefer to do a clean install, since it gets rid of >>> accumulated clutter. That assumes you have a convenient way of backing >>> up your /home directory. >> >> I back up regardless. >> If you have a /home partition and do a custom install, >> you can tell fedora not to mess with it. >> Changes in the formats of .files can cause problems though. >> Another way is to preserve a /user-data partition. >> /home can be in the / partition. >> When a user gets a spanking new home directory, >> he can add a soft link into /user-data. > > If I understand what you're saying, this means that all the dot-files > holding the user's config info also get thrown away. Or did you mean > something different? That is what I meant. It's one reason I rarely upgrade much before EOL on what I already have. > (somewhat OT) > Changes in dot-files are a source of obscure problems, and it may be > that refreshing them all is the sensible way to go, but IMHO it's a > kludge. It should not be necessary to do this, and the fact that it It's the obscurity that makes it really nasty. I've only run into it once, but that was enough. Instead of spitting out an error message where I would see it, the app just blundered on. It's mentioned in the list somewhere. > sometimes is means that app-writers aren't doing their job. If a config > file changes format between versions, the app should be able to parse > the old file and convert it to the new format, or if it can't do so > because of some basic change in funcionality, then warn the user to do > it by hand. I'm frankly amazed that more people don't complain about > this. We seem to think that it's "natural" or "inevitable". It's not. No > Windows or MacOS user would sit still for this, and I don't see Linux > users should have to put up with it. > -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Tex and F13 - help please
On Sun, 30 May 2010, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Genes MailLists wrote: > >> I see that F13 still has texlive 2007 which is too old for me to use >> and collaborate with my colleagues. > > As a matter of interest, what do you need that is not in TeXlive 2007? My guess is that there was a change in syntax, not necessarilly a change in function. Another possibility is that his colleagues use software that does an explicit version test. Yet another possibility is that his colleagues are doing explicit version tests and he is tired of hearing about it. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Sat, 29 May 2010, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 10:45 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> On Fri, 28 May 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> >>> I'm on my third video card. >>> The first was a radeon. >>> After I zapped that one, I had it replaced with >>> an nvidia card because it had AGP and I could find it. >>> Having cooked or otherwise damaged that one, >>> I replaced it with a VisionTek Radeon HD 3650. >>> It was the AGP card I could find. >>> Knoppix 5.1.0 runs just fine. >> >> I tried Xorg -probe >> X -config /root/xorg.conf.new >> just produced a messy screen. No discernable image. >> Here is /root/xorg.conf.new : >> I hate it when things just don't work. > > Not sure exactly where you are going with all of this but you should at > least start with the default which is no xorg.conf at all - so maybe as > root, you should just 'mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-saved' > and then reboot and see what happens because I would guess that the > knoppix org.conf you are trying to use is from a much earlier version of > xorg. What about copying the driver from knoppix? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
Any more ideas? Perhaps everyone is gone for the weekend. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
I installed FC11 on another set of partitions and got something that more or less runs. I made the mistake of not customizing the package list, so I'm stuck with gnome. Gnome is loud. Gnome is not KDE. I still can't watch hulu. I need a flash plugin and cannot remember the magic formula. Following the bread crumbs didn't help. Hula probably doesn't look good with vesa anyway. Fedora is still overclocking the card. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
A friend suggested that I need a radeonhd driver. yum provides '*radeonhd*' lists at least two. Do I need a radeonhd driver, and, if so, how do I tell which one will work? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Monday 31 May 2010 08:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> A friend suggested that I need a radeonhd driver. >> yum provides '*radeonhd*' >> lists at least two. >> Do I need a radeonhd driver, and, if so, >> how do I tell which one will work? >> > radeonhd has been abandoned and is not being maintained any more. The > radeon stack is the prescribed open source driver for all ATI cards now. The radeon stack (why is it called a stack?) seems not to like my Radeon HD 3650. To get it to work at all, I had to install FC11 again. Though the card is still being overclocked, all I get is vesa. Did any version of radeonhd ever work for Radeon HD 3650? If so, how do I install it? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Chromium by default?
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >> supercalifragilisticexpialidocius (again Dr. Evil) > > [OT] AFAIK, this is originally due to Mary Poppins, not Dr. Evil. ;-) And the difference is -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Mike Fedyk wrote: > The radeonhd driver is unmaintained. It has been removed from later > versions of fedora. > > try booting with "nomodeset" in the kernel command line (hint: press > "e" while in the grub boot menu) I've done that. It didn't help. > I recommend updating to a newer version of fedora. It will have a > newer version of the radeon driver. *sigh* I suppose I'll have to. It's always a pain. I prefer to climb one hill at a time. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 15:52:02 -0500, > Michael Hennebry wrote: >> >> *sigh* >> I suppose I'll have to. >> It's always a pain. >> I prefer to climb one hill at a time. > > The Radeon driver and related stuff has been changing a lot over the last > couple of years. F13 will probably work much better than F11 for your card. > A relatively painless way to test this is to use a live image. You can > see if there is enough improvement to warrant doing the upgrade before > doing it. After tremendous pain, I finally managed to install F13. I'm still getting software rendering. I hate this. Has anyone *ever* used a Radeon HD 3650 AGP with linux? If I want hardware acceleration, do I have to get yet another video card? Is there any reason not to take a sledgehammer to the one I have? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 15:52:02 -0500, >> Michael Hennebry wrote: >>> >>> *sigh* >>> I suppose I'll have to. >>> It's always a pain. >>> I prefer to climb one hill at a time. >> >> The Radeon driver and related stuff has been changing a lot over the last >> couple of years. F13 will probably work much better than F11 for your card. >> A relatively painless way to test this is to use a live image. You can >> see if there is enough improvement to warrant doing the upgrade before >> doing it. > > After tremendous pain, I finally managed to install F13. > I'm still getting software rendering. > I hate this. > Has anyone *ever* used a Radeon HD 3650 AGP with linux? > If I want hardware acceleration, do I have to get yet another video card? > Is there any reason not to take a sledgehammer to the one I have? I might have screamed too soon. After using Xorg -configure, I replaced the old xorg.conf with the generated version. Does this mean I have hardware acceleration at last? > [r...@localhost ~]# glxinfo | grep -e ender -e adeon > IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0 > direct rendering: Yes > OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV635 9598) 20090101 AGP 8x TCL > [r...@localhost ~]# I haven't installed anything that would need it yet. Should I worry that adeon didn't show up? I still have the urge to kill something. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: radeon to nvidia to radeon produces pain
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 01:30:10 -0500, > Michael Hennebry wrote: >> >> I might have screamed too soon. >> After using Xorg -configure, >> I replaced the old xorg.conf with the generated version. >> Does this mean I have hardware acceleration at last? >>> [r...@localhost ~]# glxinfo | grep -e ender -e adeon >>> IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0 >>> direct rendering: Yes > > I believe that indicates that at least some level of hardware rendering > is used. > >>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV635 9598) 20090101 AGP 8x TCL >>> [r...@localhost ~]# >> I haven't installed anything that would need it yet. >> Should I worry that adeon didn't show up? > > No. That command is getting information about how much of opengl is supported > and the hardware manufacturer isn't needed. Though RV635 is the chip that > is the main part of your video card. > > You can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you want to see the words ati and > radeon. Thanks. I should have remembered. This mess has my brain in about the same condition as Einstein's. >> I still have the urge to kill something. > > Try install a FPS (such as nexuiz) and you can kill two birds with one stone. No matter how many frames per second I get out of the card, it won't replace the joy of manually reducing something's necksize. On that subject, I think FC11 is still overclocking the card. How do I tell it not to? Also, a problem I've had forever seems to be worse with FC13. With FC13, I only get to see about a quarter of a character on the left edge of the screen. In the past, I've tried adjusting the monitor, but eventually gave up. The problem occurs in both text and graphical modes. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thoughts on floppy disks
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Timothy Murphy wrote: >> It seems to me that as an absolute minimum >> any documentation mentioning floppy drives >> should at least explain how CDs can be used to the same end. >> > Should we read this as "I am starting a crusade to research the proper > solution > for each program I find, and contribute updated documentation to the > maintainers?" Or "It would save me some effort if someone else would do this?" I think it's more of a long-winded version of "Get a real computer.". -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
Fool. On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 25/06/10 16:53, Jesus Arocho wrote: > --snip-- > People do, continue to and will always top post >> >> Thanks for the comment. Although I do try to work within the standards of a >> group, I do prefer top posting, but do not mind reading emails otherwise >> composed. The argument does seem similar to the egg wars in 'Gulliver's >> Travels.' Nyet. The best that can be said about top-posting is that it is better than bottom-posting without trimming. Internal- and bottom-posting allow responses to be near their inspirations. Also, top-posting strongly correlates with a failure to trim. Rather a lot of the noise is quoted boilerplate. > But on this list: guidelines as sig. > Top is frowned upon. > I see it as "When in Rome" Don't encourage them. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: >> Fool. >> > > Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the 'fool' comment > is uncalled for. How is it that such a trivial issue can drive us to such > comments; unless perhaps the anonymity of the internet has also made us > anonymous to ourselves. Who are you accusing me of calling a fool? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Say it with poison ivy." -- Florist Grump -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: >> Fool. >> > > Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the 'fool' comment > is uncalled for. How is it that such a trivial issue can drive us to such > comments; unless perhaps the anonymity of the internet has also made us > anonymous to ourselves. Who are you accusing me of calling a fool? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:27:12 -0500 (CDT) > Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: >> >>> On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: >>>> Fool. >>>> >>> >>> Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the >>> 'fool' comment is uncalled for. How is it that such a trivial >>> issue can drive us to such comments; unless perhaps the anonymity >>> of the internet has also made us anonymous to ourselves. >> >> Who are you accusing me of calling a fool? >> > > Perhaps it's a typo? > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html > > (at the very top -- ahead of the "Frank Murphy said" line) 'Tain't a typo. That said, Carroll Grigsby seems smarter than Jesus Arocho. The latter should answer my question. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Nothing says it like words if you know how to use them." -- the Professional Organization of English Majors -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Monday, June 28, 2010 02:51:37 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > >>> Perhaps it's a typo? >>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html >>> >>> (at the very top -- ahead of the "Frank Murphy said" line) >> >> 'Tain't a typo. >> That said, Carroll Grigsby seems smarter than Jesus Arocho. >> The latter should answer my question. > > I am obviously missing a lot here. Michael, would you be so kind as to > enlighten me so I can, if not increase my 'smartness' in your eyes, at least > learn where I erred? Yes, after you answer my question. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "a large viper must be swallowed with extreme caution." -- mo...@char.vnet.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:31:13 am Michael Hennebry wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: >>> On Monday, June 28, 2010 02:51:37 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: >>>>> Perhaps it's a typo? >>>>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html >>>>> >>>>> (at the very top -- ahead of the "Frank Murphy said" line) >>>> >>>> 'Tain't a typo. >>>> That said, Carroll Grigsby seems smarter than Jesus Arocho. >>>> The latter should answer my question. >>> >>> I am obviously missing a lot here. Michael, would you be so kind as to >>> enlighten me so I can, if not increase my 'smartness' in your eyes, at >>> least learn where I erred? >> >> Yes, after you answer my question. > > That I was a fool, presumably for having preference for top posting, and now > of not being as smart as Carroll. That is an interesting inference. I note that it is based on my statements considerably later in the same post. The inference was *not* based on the location of "Fool." relative to quoted material or to quote headers. "Fool." was deliberately ambiguous. That was its point. I stated that Carroll was smarter than you because Carroll noticed that "Fool." was top-posted. It was a clue. As I have little evidence regarding the smartness of Carroll, I expect one can be less smart than Carroll without being a fool. Beyond this quotation, lies only my signature lines. On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, yours truly, Michael Hennebry wrote: > Fool. > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Frank Murphy wrote: > > > On 25/06/10 16:53, Jesus Arocho wrote: > > --snip-- > > People do, continue to and will always top post > > > > > > Thanks for the comment. Although I do try to work within the > > > standards > > > of a > > > group, I do prefer top posting, but do not mind reading emails > > > otherwise > > > composed. The argument does seem similar to the egg wars in > > > 'Gulliver's > > > Travels.' > > Nyet. > The best that can be said about top-posting is that > it is better than bottom-posting without trimming. Internal- and > bottom-posting allow responses > to be near their inspirations. > > Also, top-posting strongly correlates with a failure to trim. > Rather a lot of the noise is quoted boilerplate. > > > But on this list: guidelines as sig. > > Top is frowned upon. > > I see it as "When in Rome" > > Don't encourage them. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: fool-ishness (Re: Top posting)
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Joel Rees wrote: > Mail User Agents are notoriously bad at the automatic quoting game > (partly because different mail browsers implement quoting It's what one does after the automatic quoting that counts. I wouldn't expect a MUA to trim boilerplate for me. I do that myself. > differently, partly because the 800 pound gorilla who joined the > internet game late has never understood it, partly because context > always has more effect than we expect, etc.). -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "You like to be on top. Got it." -- Clark Kent to Lois Lane -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Top posting
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 06/29/2010 07:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> "Fool." was deliberately ambiguous. >> That was its point. > > For goodness' sake, we have enough accidental ambiguousness on this > list without people adding it deliberately! Please stop. Don't worry. I'll only do it when its pointful. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] vi question
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > On 2010-07-14 19:26, Mike Wright wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm wasting a lot of time (probably because of a brain fart) googling >> for this. >> >> I'm using Zend_Framework to generate some html which it unfortunately >> does as one giant line. I'm pretty sure it has an error but can't find >> the missing/extra tag without formatting the html with line feeds. >> >> Will somebody tell me the symbol to use for a linefeed in substitutions >> as in >> :s1,$##linefeed#g >> >> tia, >> Mike Wright > > Type control-V control-M. That would be carriage return. convrol-V control-J might work. You might not be able to substitute a linefeed with vi. I think sed can do it. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] vi question
On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Sjoerd Mullender wrote: > On 2010-07-14 21:19, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Sjoerd Mullender wrote: >> >>> On 2010-07-14 19:26, Mike Wright wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I'm wasting a lot of time (probably because of a brain fart) googling >>>> for this. >>>> >>>> I'm using Zend_Framework to generate some html which it unfortunately >>>> does as one giant line. I'm pretty sure it has an error but can't find >>>> the missing/extra tag without formatting the html with line feeds. >>>> >>>> Will somebody tell me the symbol to use for a linefeed in substitutions >>>> as in >>>>:s1,$##linefeed#g >>> Type control-V control-M. >> >> That would be carriage return. >> convrol-V control-J might work. >> You might not be able to substitute a linefeed with vi. >> I think sed can do it. >> > > I know it's a carriage return. Did you try it? If not, do. Linefeed > (control-J) doesn't work. Much to my surprise, control-V control-M appeared to work on vim for Windows, as did \r. I haven't checked to see what actual bytes went into the file. That control-V control-J failed did not surprise me. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
flash on www.nbc.com
Is there some trick to getting flash to work through firefox? When I click on a Chuck episode, the peacock shows up and wiggles its tail, but that is all that happens. Zoom in works. I've running FC 11. About tells me that I'm running Adobe Flash Player 10,0,45,2 . I can play flash on some sites. On others, I can download and use mplayer. On www.nbc.com, neither. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: flash on www.nbc.com
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010, Patrick Bartek wrote: > --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> Is there some trick to getting flash >> to work through firefox? >> When I click on a Chuck episode, >> the peacock shows up and wiggles its tail, but that is all >> that happens. >> Zoom in works. >> I've running FC 11. >> About tells me that I'm running Adobe Flash Player >> 10,0,45,2 . >> >> I can play flash on some sites. >> On others, I can download and use mplayer. >> On www.nbc.com, neither. > > 32 or 64-bit F11/Flash? 32-bit. Pentium 4 with hyper-threading. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: flash on www.nbc.com
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Kevin Martin wrote: > It appears, from what I've read, that it's an issue with NBC's website > not detecting the Flash 10 version correctly (have seen this on other > sites as well). I've tried accessing the site in Chrome as well on > Fedora 11 i386 with no success. Thanks for the information. Pardon my ignorance. Why does it have to? I'd thought that SOP was for clients to ask for information, for web servers to provide it and for clients eat said information. The server was not supposed to need to know what was asking. Apparently not in this case. What makes this case different? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. I'd like to be able to get at it through either KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. I've tried to set up both without success. That I've never used a mail client before probably doesn't help. With KMail I'm stuck when I get to Server Innformation Incoming server: Outgoing server: Use local delivery With evolution, I'm stuck when I get to the "Receiving Email" page. For server, I'm completely stuck. Which username? My name on my box or the username part of my e-mail address? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/15/2011 03:16 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> With KMail I'm stuck when I get to >> Server Innformation >> Incoming server: >> Outgoing server: >> Use local delivery >> > > There was a time when I could easily have talked you through finding the > information in Outlook, but I happily recycled those neurons years ago. > Talk to the helpdesk at work, tell them what you need and they'll give > you everything you need. HTH, HAND. Alas, I expect not. We are rapidly becoming a Windows-only shop. I have my doubts they actually know. I'm pretty sure Microsoft has the actual mail. Supposing they do know, neither evolution nor KMail is on their list of approved clients. How should I phrase the question to avoid explicitly mentioning a client? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Frank Cox wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:16:58 -0500 (CDT) > Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. >> I'd like to be able to get at it through either >> KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. >> I've tried to set up both without success. >> That I've never used a mail client before probably doesn't help. > > Microsoft Outlook IS a mail client. I've just been using the web interface. Before the migration, I'd used Squirrel Mail. > If you want to be able to use both Microsoft Outlook and a Linux mail client > in > tandem, i.e. check and respond to your email from both systems, then you will > require a mail server that supports the imap protocol. Depending on who > provides your email service (your isp, usually) this capability may or may not > be provided. Ouch. I'm pretty sure it's POP. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:44 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Frank Cox wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:16:58 -0500 (CDT) >>> Michael Hennebry wrote: >>> >>>> For work, I have had to use Microsoft outlook for e-mail. >>>> I'd like to be able to get at it through either >>>> KMail or evolution on my home F13 machine. >>>> I've tried to set up both without success. >>>> That I've never used a mail client before probably doesn't help. >>> >>> Microsoft Outlook IS a mail client. Apparently the correct term is exchange, a term not used in the migration information we were given. >>> If you want to be able to use both Microsoft Outlook and a Linux mail >>> client in >>> tandem, i.e. check and respond to your email from both systems, then you >>> will >>> require a mail server that supports the imap protocol. Depending on who >>> provides your email service (your isp, usually) this capability may or may >>> not >>> be provided. >> >> Ouch. I'm pretty sure it's POP. > > Then you're laughing. Any of the Linux mail clients can read POP as long > as you know how to authenticate to the server. That leaves the blanks I need to fill in. >From migration information given to Mac users, I gather at least part of one answer is red001.mail.microsoftonline.com . If so, is that incoming server, outgoing server or something else. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 18:24 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> >> That leaves the blanks I need to fill in. >>> From migration information given to Mac users, >> I gather at least part of one answer is red001.mail.microsoftonline.com . >> If so, is that incoming server, outgoing server or something else. >> > > Unless Microsoft is handling NoDak's e-mail, that sounds wrong. But if Yup. Microsoft has our e-mail. > it's the right server, it will be the only one for Exchange OWA or MAPI. > For IMAP/SMTP, it could be correct for both (or not...). -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 17:39 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> Alas, I expect not. We are rapidly becoming a Windows-only shop. >> I have my doubts they actually know. >> I'm pretty sure Microsoft has the actual mail. >> Supposing they do know, neither evolution nor >> KMail is on their list of approved clients. >> How should I phrase the question to avoid explicitly mentioning a client? > > Ask them how to access your mail from your smartphone. If you don't have > one just pretend you're evaluating which one to get. Thank you for that suggestion. It turns out that they have just that information on their website. I was wrong about POP: * Account type: IMAP * Incoming mail server: imap.ndsu.nodak.edu * Incoming mail server encryption: SSL on port 993 * Outgoing mail server: smtp.ndsu.nodak.edu * Outgoing mail server encryption: TLS on port 587 * Username: Your NDSU Electronic ID * Password: Your NDSU Password That said, I still can't do it. evolution tells me evolution-mail-Message: Error occurred while existing dialogue active: Could not connect to imap.ndsu.nodak.edu: Connection timed out -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Greg Woods wrote: > On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 21:47 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> * Account type: IMAP >> * Incoming mail server: imap.ndsu.nodak.edu >> * Incoming mail server encryption: SSL on port 993 > > Then you probably need to specify the incoming mail server as > imap.nsdu.nodak.edu:993 . Also make sure that you specify SSL > encryption. So that is the syntax. I hadn't seen a place to put the ports and assumed that they were standard. >> * Outgoing mail server: smtp.ndsu.nodak.edu >> * Outgoing mail server encryption: TLS on port 587 > > Outgoing server is then smtp.ndsu.nodak.edu:587 and you will need to > check the "server requires authentication" box. Also make sure that you > check TLS encryption. Likewise. Thank you Greg for telling me how. Alas still no go. Now it asks me for a password, but it won't take it. The error box says Unable to authenticate to IMAP server. IMAP command failed: Could not connect to server Please enter ... I dont' get connection timed out anymore. -- "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:11 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> Alas still no go. >> Now it asks me for a password, but it won't take it. >> The error box says >> Unable to authenticate to IMAP server. >> IMAP command failed: Could not connect to server > > Did you try the check for supported authentication types I mentioned in > an earlier reply? Yes. An error box pops up and goes away faster than I can read it. At least I expect it's an error box. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Mike Williams wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Michael Hennebry > wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 12:11 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: >>>> Alas still no go. >>>> Now it asks me for a password, but it won't take it. > > You probably have something set wrong on your end. Double check the > server names, ports, and authentication. The question is what? The server names I cut and pasted. The port numbers are right. The options for authenticationn are password and things I'd never heard or read about. For the masochists, the data from which I am working is here: http://www.ndsu.edu/its/help/index/mobile_devices/configuration/ I finally managed to read the "error box" from when clicked on "Check for supported types": "Querying server for list of suported authentication mechanisms." I had to do a lot of fast clicking. > If you can't get Evolution to play, try Thunderbird. With either > program, you will have to enter your password at least once and you Is there a reason to expect Thunderbird to do better? I have mmajor difficulties putting much effort into something I expect not to work. > At my school we switched to microsoft for email a while ago and there > are two ways that I know of that work. > > The approach I took, since I do not care for outlook and I like gmail, > was to use the web access to login to my email MS account and setup > forwarding, so that all of my school email gets forwarded to my gmail I've considered similar, but there are two problems: The documentation seems to imply that if I do that, I will lose the mail already in my inbox. The described mechanism seems not to bethere. > If you don't want use gmail then Thunderbird will work. A professor Gawd I hope so. > that I work for uses Thunderbird on his home system and it works fine. > As was mentioned in the discussion about Evolution you have to make > sure you check the box for TLS and get the server settings right. > > One nice thing about using Thunderbird is that your messages get > downloaded to your system so you can still get to the downloaded I'd thought that all e-mail clients had that as an option. No? > Good luck, -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Jayson Rowe wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Michael Hennebry > wrote: >> the data from which I am working is here: >> http://www.ndsu.edu/its/help/index/mobile_devices/configuration/ >> > Hi Michael, > I followed your link, and managed to find this page by clicking the > FAQ and Help Doc's link, and then E-mail, then E-mail Software, and > then Mozilla Thunderbird for PC: > http://www.ndsu.edu/its/help/index/e_mail/e_mail_software/mozilla_thunderbird_for_pc/ Something still doesn't like me. Either it rejects my password or the connection times out. I get password rejection if I use port 993 and SSL/TLS, timeout if I use port 993 and STARTTLS. I really don't understand why this has to be so gawdawful hard. It seems to me that I should be able to just point the client at the right url and the client could do a query for all the non-user-specific data. If wishes were fishes. Pardon me while I go kill something. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Fred Erickson wrote: > My Evolution is 2.32.2 on F14. If you email me direct, I will send you > screen shots of my GMail configuration pages. That may be of some help. I've got 2.30.3 on F13. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
Could someone translate the following information into a fetchmail command? * Account type: IMAP * Incoming mail server: imap.ndsu.nodak.edu * Incoming mail server encryption: SSL on port 993 * Outgoing mail server: smtp.ndsu.nodak.edu * Outgoing mail server encryption: TLS on port 587 * Username: Your NDSU Electronic ID * Password: Your NDSU Password If willing, please put --keep in the correct location. I did manage to get some information from the man page. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, Michael Hennebry wrote: > Could someone translate the following information into a fetchmail command? > > * Account type: IMAP > * Incoming mail server: imap.ndsu.nodak.edu > * Incoming mail server encryption: SSL on port 993 > * Outgoing mail server: smtp.ndsu.nodak.edu > * Outgoing mail server encryption: TLS on port 587 > * Username: Your NDSU Electronic ID > * Password: Your NDSU Password > > If willing, please put --keep in the correct location. > I did manage to get some information from the man page. Would the command end with imap.ndsu.nodak.edu ? fetchmail man page: > fetchmail [option...] [mailserver...] imap.ndsu.nodak.edu would be [mailserver...] ? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, Damian Kohlfeld wrote: > Use the following fetchmail configuration as a template. Replace all It goes in ~/.fetchmailrc ? The command is just fetchmail ? > USERNAME with your unix user account name, all PASSWORD with the password > for that IMAP account, all IMAPUSER with the IMAP username, all MAILHOST > with the IMAP serverhostname and finally all MBOXPATH your mbox (absolute) > filenames. > > --- BEGIN CONFIG --- > > set postmaster "USERNAME" > set bouncemail > set no spambounce > set softbounce > set properties "" > set no showdots > > poll MAILHOST with proto IMAP > user 'IMAPUSER' there with password 'PASSWORD' is 'USERNAME' here If I omit password 'PASSWORD' it will prompt? > options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/inbox" > folder INBOX "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/inbox" is a shell command, the target is a plain file which need not already exist? what is the affect of folder INBOX ? > poll MAILHOST with proto IMAP > user 'IMAPUSER' there with password 'PASSWORD' is 'USERNAME' here > options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/sent" > folder INBOX.Sent Now I'm really confused. It looks to me like this would do the same thing again only with different targets on the client side. > --- END CONFIG --- > > Damian Kohlfeld -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, Damian Kohlfeld wrote: > >> Use the following fetchmail configuration as a template. Replace all > > It goes in ~/.fetchmailrc ? > The command is just > fetchmail > ? > >> USERNAME with your unix user account name, all PASSWORD with the password >> for that IMAP account, all IMAPUSER with the IMAP username, all MAILHOST >> with the IMAP serverhostname and finally all MBOXPATH your mbox (absolute) >> filenames. >> >> --- BEGIN CONFIG --- >> >> set postmaster "USERNAME" >> set bouncemail >> set no spambounce >> set softbounce >> set properties "" >> set no showdots >> >> poll MAILHOST with proto IMAP >> user 'IMAPUSER' there with password 'PASSWORD' is 'USERNAME' here > > If I omit password 'PASSWORD' it will prompt? Please forget I asked about password. There is more important information I need before I can type fetchmail without fear and trepidation. >> options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/inbox" >> folder INBOX > > "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/inbox" > is a shell command, > the target is a plain file which need not already exist? > what is the affect of > folder INBOX > ? > >> poll MAILHOST with proto IMAP >> user 'IMAPUSER' there with password 'PASSWORD' is 'USERNAME' here >> options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/sent" >> folder INBOX.Sent > > Now I'm really confused. > It looks to me like this would do the same thing again > only with different targets on the client side. Such as what the script is supposed to do. Had I thought I knew before, the second poll would have persuaded me otherwise. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, Damian Kohlfeld wrote: > Use the following fetchmail configuration as a template. Replace all > USERNAME with your unix user account name, all PASSWORD with the password > for that IMAP account, all IMAPUSER with the IMAP username, all MAILHOST > with the IMAP serverhostname and finally all MBOXPATH your mbox (absolute) > filenames. On fifth reading, it seems a little less confusing. > --- BEGIN CONFIG --- > > set postmaster "USERNAME" > set bouncemail > set no spambounce > set softbounce > set properties "" > set no showdots > > poll MAILHOST with proto IMAP > user 'IMAPUSER' there with password 'PASSWORD' is 'USERNAME' here > options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/inbox" > folder INBOX All servers have INBOX? > poll MAILHOST with proto IMAP > user 'IMAPUSER' there with password 'PASSWORD' is 'USERNAME' here > options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/sent" > folder INBOX.Sent It might not have an INBOX.Sent, but if it doesn't it will just complain? > --- END CONFIG --- -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, Damian Kohlfeld wrote: > --- BEGIN CONFIG --- > > set postmaster "USERNAME" > set bouncemail > set no spambounce > set softbounce > set properties "" > set no showdots > > poll MAILHOST with proto IMAP > user 'IMAPUSER' there with password 'PASSWORD' is 'USERNAME' here > options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/inbox" > folder INBOX > > poll MAILHOST with proto IMAP > user 'IMAPUSER' there with password 'PASSWORD' is 'USERNAME' here > options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /MBOXPATH/sent" > folder INBOX.Sent > > --- END CONFIG --- Here is my ~/.fetchmailrc > set postmaster "hennebry" > set bouncemail > set no spambounce > set softbounce > set properties "" > set no showdots > > poll imap.ndsu.nodak.edu with proto IMAP > user 'Michael.Hennebry' there is 'hennebry' here > options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /home/hennebry/inbox" > folder INBOX > > #poll imap.ndsu.nodak.edu with proto IMAP > # user 'Michael.Hennebry' there is 'hennebry' here > # options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /home/hennebry/sent" > # folder INBOX.Sent Here is the result: > [hennebry@localhost grease]$ fetchmail > Enter password for michael.henne...@imap.ndsu.nodak.edu: > fetchmail: Authorization failure on michael.henne...@imap.ndsu.nodak.edu > fetchmail: Query status=3 (AUTHFAIL) Now what? michael.henne...@imap.ndsu.nodak.edu is not my e-mail address. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
RE: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Michael Hennebry wrote: > Here is my ~/.fetchmailrc >> set postmaster "hennebry" >> set bouncemail >> set no spambounce >> set softbounce >> set properties "" >> set no showdots >> >> poll imap.ndsu.nodak.edu with proto IMAP >> user 'Michael.Hennebry' there is 'hennebry' here >> options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /home/hennebry/inbox" >> folder INBOX >> >> #poll imap.ndsu.nodak.edu with proto IMAP >> # user 'Michael.Hennebry' there is 'hennebry' here >> # options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /home/hennebry/sent" >> # folder INBOX.Sent > > Here is the result: >> [hennebry@localhost grease]$ fetchmail >> Enter password for michael.henne...@imap.ndsu.nodak.edu: >> fetchmail: Authorization failure on michael.henne...@imap.ndsu.nodak.edu >> fetchmail: Query status=3 (AUTHFAIL) Here is my new .fetchmailrc: > set postmaster "hennebry" > set bouncemail > set no spambounce > set softbounce > set properties "" > set no showdots > > poll ndsu.edu with proto IMAP > user 'Michael.Hennebry' there is 'hennebry' here > options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /home/hennebry/inbox" > folder INBOX I omitted the commented out lines. Here is the result: > [hennebry@localhost grease]$ fetchmail > Enter password for michael.henne...@ndsu.edu: > fetchmail: couldn't find canonical DNS name of ndsu.edu (ndsu.edu): No > address associated with hostname > fetchmail: Query status=11 (DNS) Both dig and nslookup agree with that assessment, but mail sent there from my cableone account still gets there. WTF? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Two questions: are you sure you have an IMAP account set up? Reading > from here, it appears that the settings may be different: > > http://www.ndsu.edu/its/help/index/e_mail/ndsu_outlook/non_supported_e_mail_software_setup/imap/ I noticed that. There is also this: http://www.ndsu.edu/its/help/index/mobile_devices/configuration/ > E-mail Configuration > > For specific device setup instructions refer to your mobile device > owners manual or check with your service provider. > > General configuration settings: > > * Account type: IMAP > * Incoming mail server: imap.ndsu.nodak.edu > * Incoming mail server encryption: SSL on port 993 > * Outgoing mail server: smtp.ndsu.nodak.edu > * Outgoing mail server encryption: TLS on port 587 > * Username: Your NDSU Electronic ID > * Password: Your NDSU Password On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Also, I assume you want to fetch e-mail first and use a mailer > separately. Is this true? If not, you can forget about fetchmail and > have claws-mail or thunderbird or sylpheed or something else do it for > you. I am a latecomer to this thread, so do not know if you mentioned > this earlier. I want to do whatever ends with my mail on my machine. So far, nothing likes me. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/21/2011 07:19 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: >>> poll imap.ndsu.nodak.edu with proto IMAP >>>> user 'Michael.Hennebry' there is 'hennebry' here >>>> options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /home/hennebry/inbox" >>>> folder INBOX >>>> >>>> #poll imap.ndsu.nodak.edu with proto IMAP >>>> # user 'Michael.Hennebry' there is 'hennebry' here >>>> # options keep fetchall ssl mda "formail -c >> /home/hennebry/sent" >>>> # folder INBOX.Sent >> Here is the result: >>>> [hennebry@localhost grease]$ fetchmail >>>> Enter password for michael.henne...@imap.ndsu.nodak.edu: >>>> fetchmail: Authorization failure on michael.henne...@imap.ndsu.nodak.edu >>>> fetchmail: Query status=3 (AUTHFAIL) >> Now what? >> michael.henne...@imap.ndsu.nodak.edu is not my e-mail address. > > Also a late comer to this thread But I have a question > > I see from your emails on the thread your email is > henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu. It would seem to indicate that when you > connect to the Web Client you may enter "hennebry" as your username? > Is that the case? Or, is your username really "Michael.Hennebry" as > defined in your fetchmailrc? michael.henne...@ndsu.edu is a different account with different administrators. With this account, I have direct access to my inbox and could use scp if I wanted. I have, on occasion, vi-ed it. > The other thingthe web pages at nodak.edu would seem to suggest that > you have to request IMAP access from the IT department before they > enable it. Is that the case? Have you contacted the IT department to If so, I missed it in the rat's nest that is ITS help. Would you point me to it? Sometimes, by the time I find something, I'm too *aarrrg* to do much with it. > ensure it has been enabled for your account? > > Do you happen to have a smart phone, or access to a smart phone, to test > using a different mobile device? I might have access. > The problem seems to be a straight forward "failure to authenticate". -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Ed Greshko wrote: >> The other thingthe web pages at nodak.edu would seem to suggest that >> you have to request IMAP access from the IT department before they >> enable it. Is that the case? Have you contacted the IT department to > > If so, I missed it in the rat's nest that is ITS help. > Would you point me to it? > Sometimes, by the time I find something, > I'm too *aarrrg* to do much with it. Oops. You already did that. Thanks. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
The problem is Linux vs. Microsoft Exchange 5.5 . The help desk guy tells me that he will try to get IMAP enabled on my account. He does not guaranty success. Is there anything Linux that will talk to Microsoft Exchange 5.5? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
