F13 system-config-services crash
Hi, I noticed in system-config-services graphical display two unneeded "services" that were leftover from livecd installation, namely livesys and livesys-late. They show up in system-config-services, but they should not; they could not be stopped/disabled there as well. Note: from now on I kept the system-config-services graphical display open. I removed the "services" manually in a terminal chkconfig --del livesys chkconfig --del livesys-late After that I removed their init scripts rm /etc/init.d/livesys* As a result, the package system-config-services-0.99.46-1.fc13 crashed. Regards, JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13 system-config-services crash
Rahul Sundaram gmail.com> writes: > > On 07/08/2010 12:26 PM, JB wrote: > ... > > Always report bugs in http://bugzilla.redhat.com. It reaches the > developers and they can fix the crash. > > Rahul > Submitted to Bugzilla as Bug# 612463. Jurek -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?
William Case rogers.com> writes: > > ... Hi, yes, I agree with you. The proper menu organization should be with the topmost specifier "system" including all system-related menus/items. It is proper to reorganize the System as well and place most used items at the top. The new menu would be: System -> Tools /* old Applications -> System Tools */ -> Administration -> Preferences -> etc I would suggest that you let GNOME developers know of our proposal if it is acceptable to the majority of opinions here. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?
William Case rogers.com> writes: > > > ... > > Therein, of course, lies the problem. I have reorganized so that System > Tools contains all user system stuff that doesn't require root > privileges. And I have put all Administration programs that require > root login/password in System => Administration. At least that gives me > a sense of which changes are dangerous. > > But the present set up is just hard to remember and makes no sense. > The next level of reorganization (inside Tools and Administration) may not be practical according to root sign-in requirements. Example: I have in Tools two items that require root previleges Fedora LiveUSB Creator SELinux Policy Generation Tool Note that they are clearly "tools" (the second one named so explicitly). If you move them to Administration, you break the distinction between Tools and Administration. Btw, almost all Administration items right now require root and so there is no need to move them around. I think we should stick with the top reorganization for now only to make it acceptable to GNOME devs and users at large. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
William Case rogers.com> writes: > > Hi; > > I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in > gnome-session-manager. There must be (??) an rc.d script or something > like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere. I can't > find it. > > I have had the following script line suggested to me. > > xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox & xchat-gnome & > I think it is done via System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications which is equivalent to /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties . JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?
JB gmail.com> writes: > > William Case rogers.com> writes: > > > > > Hi; > > > > I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in > > gnome-session-manager. There must be (??) an rc.d script or something > > like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere. I can't > > find it. > > > > I have had the following script line suggested to me. > > > > xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox & xchat-gnome & > > > I think it is done via > System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications > which is equivalent to /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties . > JB > One more possibility, if you insist on scripts: ls -al /etc/X11/xinit/ There you find Xclients script that is a driver for dir Xclients.d that may contain custom scripts. ls -al /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients.d/ So place your script in there. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Bind Problems
Mike Dwiggins azdwiggins.com> writes: > > Anyone know the best forum or mailing list to find answers to wierd > BIND problems. > Hi, 1. search Google for "your weird problem" first; it is a must ! 2. go to BIND developers site http://www.isc.org/software/bind and under community menu click on mailing lists submenu, from which you can choose the one(s) of interest, like bind-users bind10-dev bind10-users JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Q about swap size
Robert G. (Doc) Savage peaknet.net> writes: > > ... > top - 10:43:15 up 2 days, 6 min, 5 users, load average: 8.62, 6.84, 6.26 > Tasks: 244 total, 7 running, 237 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 60.7%us, 23.5%sy, 9.2%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 5.4%hi, 1.3%si, 0.0%st > Mem: 509800k total, 502624k used, 7176k free, 16280k buffers > Swap: 1048568k total, 317372k used, 731196k free, 101944k cached > > > This indicates only about 30% of my 1GB swap is being used. Would increasing that to 2GB have any affect on the load average performance?--Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL > Hi, whoul you plase take a look at 'top' output (Ctl-M sorted by memory use) and share with us the system lines plus following 10 lines. Note that the display may may flactuate so wait a while to understand what is really happening and then capture the output for us. As a general rule, your cache size should have: RAM size plus 20% This is due to "save to cache" requirement for hibernation. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Q about swap size
JB gmail.com> writes: > ... > top - 10:43:15 up 2 days, 6 min, 5 users, load average: 8.62, 6.84, 6.26 > Tasks: 244 total, 7 running, 237 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 60.7%us, 23.5%sy, 9.2%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 5.4%hi, 1.3%si, 0.0%st > Mem:509800k total, 502624k used, 7176k free,16280k buffers > Swap: 1048568k total, 317372k used, 731196k free, 101944k cached > > > This indicates only about 30% of my 1GB swap is being used. Would increasing that to 2GB have any affect on the load average performance?--Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL > Hi, Please disregard my previous message - it has some typos (high temps here :) ). Would you please take a look at 'top' output (Ctl-M - sorted by memory use) and share with us the system lines plus following 10 lines. Note that the display may fluctuate, so wait for a while to understand what is really happening and then capture the output for us. As a general rule, your min swap size should be: RAM size plus 20% This is due to "save to swap" requirement for hibernation. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
Henry Wyatt gmail.com> writes: > > Need link or instructions on how to install from HDD.Currently have F13 86x64 but want to install 32 bit instead-- Henry E. Wyatt, Jr.135 Main St. Apt. 604Poughkeepsie, N.Y. 12601-6703 > (845)337-3421 > Hi, Fedora site is your friend: fedoraproject.org then select Docs from left-side menu. then Fedora 13, then Installation Guide, then paragraph 4.7 Preparing for a Hard Drive Installation, etc. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Firefox memory problem on Fedora 13
Athmane Madjoudj gmail.com> writes: > > Hello all, > > I have updated my system to Fedora 13 i686 after release of F13, now > when i download some thing with Firefox it eat up a lot of memory - > about 800MB when downloading a 700 MB ISO file - > My 'top' output line when doing ~700 MB iso file download: 21544 jb20 0 447m 60m 25m S 5.3 8.1 2:14.42 firefox Remember that this is the sum of all open FF windows/tabs. So make sure you understand what FF id doing before you file a bug. Also helpful: - ps aux |grep -i firefox - top then Ctl-M to sort output by memory use - stop download, close/re-open FF, resume download JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
VBOX problem
RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> I am using VBOX with F13 to run Windows XP. Today I got following error:
> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Start tag expected, '<' not found.
> Location: '/home/rkbabu/.VirtualBox/Machines/WinXP/WinXP.xml', line 1 (0),
column 1.
> /home/vbox/vbox-3.2.0/src/VBox/Main/MachineImpl.cpp[664] (nsresult
Machine::registeredInit()).
>
Hi,
please search Google first for:
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Start tag expected, '<' not found
The first hit is:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1386887
[SOLVED] HELP Virtualbox Machine Error!!!
JB
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Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
Timothy Murphy eircom.net> writes: > > JB wrote: > > >> Need link or instructions on how to install from HDD.Currently have F13 > >> 86x64 > > but want to install 32 bit instead-- > > > Hi, > > Fedora site is your friend: > > fedoraproject.org > > then select Docs from left-side menu. then Fedora 13, then Installation > > Guide, then paragraph 4.7 Preparing for a Hard Drive Installation, etc. > > I don't know what "etc" means at the end of this message. > but the instructions in para 4.7 are far from lucid, in my opinion. > They don't seem to mention the kernel or initrd files, > or how to start the installation. > > The reader is referred to the anaconda rpm for instructions, > which seems to me bizarre. > Tim, it is not bizarre ... (but if you read it, you will realize that the reference to anaconda is pro forma as a means of installation, with its summary of installation options only, and so you have to come back to Fedora Installation Guide to understand the whole installation procedure). Well, the "etc" meant that one has to read the Fedora Installation Guide to learn more, that is: Paragraphs 4.7 -> 6.2 -> 7.5 -> 7.6 . It is not that bad ... the second reading will get you there ! JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora 13 freezes on Vostro 3700 - how to diagnose and fix?
Chris January atomice.net> writes: > > > I recently tried installing Fedora 13 on a Dell Vostro 3700 laptop (Smolt > profile: > http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_970e240b-29c8-499d-a137-d645db440137). > The installer froze several times (i.e. the machine stopped responding to > mouse or keyboard input) so that it took several attempts before a > successfull install. After Fedora was installed it would freeze within > about 5 minutes of booting. Hi, just a couple of hints only: - regarding curent state - have a good look at dmesg /var/log/messages/* old and new */ - locking after several minutes may indicate trouble with - suspend/hibernate - System -> Preferences -> Power Management System -> Preferences -> Screensaver - look at -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 87 Jul 12 06:14 /var/log/pm-powersave.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4891 Jul 12 06:14 /var/log/pm-suspend.log - look at driver/display/monitor/power/screen-saving related issues -rw-r--r-- 1 root jb 213073 Jul 12 06:14 /var/log/Xorg.0.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root jb 157238 Jul 8 06:52 /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 32155 Mar 10 14:31 /var/log/Xorg.9.log - top /* look at RAM and swap space; Ctl-M to see memory hogs; Ctl-P to see CPU hogs; anyting unusually high in that system area */ - regarding installation look at, scan for errors, anything unusual (do not spend too much time ...) -rw---. 1 root root 27040 Mar 10 14:26 /var/log/anaconda.log -rw---. 1 root root 25123 Mar 10 14:26 /var/log/anaconda.program.log -rw---. 1 root root 126276 Mar 10 14:26 /var/log/anaconda.storage.log Good luck. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13 on Samsung N220?
Dave Stevens uniserve.com> writes: > > Does anyone have experience or a pointer to installing F13 on a > Samsung N220? Nice little computer, Atom cpu, 1 gig, 250 HD, realtek > wifi. > > Dave > Hi, I could not find any reference to F13 on this netbook. But there are some experiences about Linux in general with other distros: http://blog.scaryclam.co.uk/2010/04/20/samsung-n220-netbook-and-linux/ and http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=94703 I hope it is of interest, otherwise please disregard. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
yum update failure
Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes: > > When I try to update an rpm yum is not pulling the recent rpm's from the > repository. > Hi, I assume it is Fedora 13. We have to do it methodically, jumping all over places does not do it. Please post full output (uncut): yum list all yum clean all yum check-update Now take one package you believe is not beeing updated and post output (note the asterisks, please include them before/after package name): yum list *problem_package_name* This will get us going in search for the problem. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Yumex problem - no network connection
Thomas Taylor comcast.net> writes: > > For some reason Yumex returns an error message saying "Not connected to an > network. Do you want to continue". However Yum works as expected running > updates. > man yumex yumex ... –disable-netcheck ... Fedora/Red Hat bugs: bugzilla.redhat.com/ JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Yumex problem - no network connection
JB gmail.com> writes: > > Thomas Taylor comcast.net> writes: > > > > > For some reason Yumex returns an error message saying "Not connected to an > > network. Do you want to continue". However Yum works as expected running > > updates. > > > man yumex > yumex ... –disable-netcheck ... > > Fedora/Red Hat bugs: > bugzilla.redhat.com/ > > JB > Sorry, correction: yumex --help yumex --disable-netcheck ... JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand gmail.com> writes: > > Dear All, > > For some reasons I want to know what are "Minimum Required RPM > Packages" for installing fedora on a PC. Hi, Search Google for: fedora minimal installation kickstart The first hit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/MinimalPlatform will give you info about the project and a contact to the owner at Red Hat. But read on Google results ... JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand gmail.com> writes: > > 1- What are Minimum Required RPM Packages for installing Fedora? (just > booting up the system with kernel and then, a simple command line > access) Hi, have you looked into http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveCDHowTo paragraph Live image Configuration Files livecd-fedora-minimal.ks The base live image system (included in the 'livecd-tools' package) yum install livecd-tools rpm -ql livecd-tools cat /usr/share/doc/livecd-tools-031/livecd-fedora-minimal.ks paragraph Example: A Barebones Live CD Why not create that barebone live cd and see what good, bad, and ugly went into it ? JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
siavash ghiasvand gmail.com> writes: > 1- What are Minimum Required RPM Packages for installing Fedora? (just > booting up the system with kernel and then, a simple command line > access) > 2- How can I reach this minimal system? (As I described above those > dependencies make it impossible to remove unwanted packages after > installation and also there is no option to remove unwanted packages > before installation) > Hi, I have found a project called JeOS = "Just enough Operating System" that deals with similar issues. http://orangejeos.sourceforge.net/ It has an informative site. After that you can download oj-builder-1.8.7-11.noarch.rpm which, when installed, lets you take a look at their kickstart files. I hope it will be useful. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
yum update failure
Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes:
> ...
Hi,
I must apologize first for mistyped entry request ('yum list all") - this is not
what I wanted.
I meant to ask for output of:
yum repolist all
Also, get output of:
yum check
JB
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Re: yum update failure
Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes: > Gregory, you have a plugin called downloadonly - the package is: $ yum list *downloadonly* yum-plugin-downloadonly.noarch 1.1.27-2.fc13 @updates The description of it is: $ yum info yum-plugin-downloadonly.noarch ... Description: This plugin adds a --downloadonly flag to yum so that yum will only : download the packages and not install/update them. We have to remove it: $ yum remove yum-plugin-downloadonly.noarch ... confirm it y (Yes) to remove. Now let's try again: $ yum check-update ... I hope it works now ? JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
yum update failure
Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes: > ... > [root Re01 pluginconf.d]# yum check-update > Loaded plugins: presto, priorities, refresh-packagekit > 3487 packages excluded due to repository priority protections > Hi, you have a plugin called priorities, which is fine. I assume it is enabled, which is fine too: # cat /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/priorities.conf [main] enabled = 1 Now we have to check if that priority indicator is enabled in your repos. Please get me output of: # grep -i priority /etc/yum.repos.d/* JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
yum update failure
Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes: > > > You were correct to cause me to look at the downloadonly plugin... it > was enabled. I originally did in upgrade from f12 to f13 instead of a > new install, and then installed yum-cron. I do not remember installing > the downloadonly plugin, or enabling it. I used your syntax to remove > the plug in as well as yum-cron. but the results of yum check-update > were : > [root Re01 pluginconf.d]# yum check-update > Loaded plugins: presto, priorities, refresh-packagekit > 3487 packages excluded due to repository priority protections > Hi, there is a possibility that yum-cron package, which requires downloadonly plugin package was the intended way to maintain your system. If your machine were part of a corporate environment, it could be set up by your tech people to run yum-cron job daily/weekly from a corporate cache of packages (instead of directly from the Interent). That would explain the output of: > [root Re01 ~]# yum list evolution > Loaded plugins: downloadonly, presto, priorities, refresh-packagekit > Installed Packages > evolution.i686 2.30.1-6.fc13 > @anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130056.i38 and the full list of packages (that big file ...:) ). This @anaconda-InstallationRepo-201005130056.i38 could be some kind of a repo. If you are in that kind of environment, let me know. So please stay put, we will try to figure it out. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
yum update failure
Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes: > ... > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo:priority=1 > ... > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo:priority=2 > Hi, please give me an uncut output of: # cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo and # cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo Looks like we are getting closer. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
yum update failure
Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes: > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:59 +, JB wrote: > > Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes: > > > > > ... > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo:priority=1 > > > ... > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo:priority=2 > > > > > Hi, > > please give me an uncut output of: > > > > # cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo > > and > > # cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo > > > > [root Re01 pluginconf.d]# cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo > [updates] > ... > priority=2 > ... > Hi, please edit as root (vi editor or other that you can use as root user) the file # vi /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo and move cursor to line with priority=2 and type i to enter edit/insert mode and change that line to priority=1 and hit Escape to exit edit mode and hit Shift plus : type wq to save/quit. Now try again: # yum check-update Does it work ? If not I need the output as usually. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
yum update failure
Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes: > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:59 +, JB wrote: > > Gregory P. Ennis PoMec.Net> writes: > > > > > ... > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo:priority=1 > > > ... > > > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo:priority=2 > > > > > Hi, > > please give me an uncut output of: > > > > # cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo > > and > > # cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo > > > > [root Re01 pluginconf.d]# cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo > [updates] > ... > priority=2 > ... > Hi, have we lost the last my message (the thread flows got convoluted a little) ? So I repeat it in the main thread again. please edit as root (vi editor or other that you can use as root user) the file # vi /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo and move cursor to line with priority=2 and type i to enter edit/insert mode and change that line to priority=1 and hit Escape to exit edit mode and hit Shift plus : type wq to save/quit. Now try again: # yum check-update Does it work ? If not I need the output as usually. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
The databases in [/usr/share/akonadi/agents/applications] could not be updated
Maurizio Marini datalogica.com> writes: > > ... > yum install NetworkManager* > > [..snip..] > > Running Transaction > Installing : 1:NetworkManager-openvpn-0.8.1-0.1.git20100609.fc13.i686 1/8 > The databases in [/usr/share/akonadi/agents/applications] could not be > updated. > > ls -al /usr/share/akonadi/agents/applications > ls: cannot access /usr/share/akonadi/agents/applications: No such file or > directory > > should i worried about this error? > should it be created by hand, like i did? > Hi, well, you should be. It is seldom to happen that a Fedora dev forgets to make sure that a dir exists if it is utilized in a package installation procedure. At least it should give you a pause. You should ask as you did here first. I checked my system and do not see a dir like this. Have the same package installed. I checked the package. I removed/re-installed it and no trace of your problem. Would you mind giving me an output of: # yum list NetworkManager-openvpn # cat /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-updates.repo JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
suspend to RAM and NFS /home
Gordon Messmer eburg.com> writes: > > I have a workstation that mounts /home from an NFS server. I'd like to > be able to suspend it at night, but the system hangs before it suspends > if I try. > > It only seems to hang if I'm logged in and have files open on the NFS > file system. If I log in as root on a tty instead and run "pm-suspend", > the system will suspend and resume perfectly as far as I can tell. > > Is there a trick to suspend when using NFS, or is this just impossible > these days? I've tried it now and again for several years. It works > occasionally, but is broken most of the time. Hi, perhaps you could do it yourself: http://palebluedot.nl/jml/computer-stuff/26-umountnfs.html JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F12: gdm, avahi-daemon, HAL, & ntpd fails
Daniel B. Thurman cdkkt.com> writes: > > > Geez... everything was working find when I installed F12 but > perhaps the latest update blew everything out of the water! > > My gdm fails to bring up X11 and falls out. > I am however able to get into F2 and log in as root. > > Also, I noticed during boot up, the following also fails > to start: > > avahi daemon > HAL daemon > ntpdaemon > > I then proceeded to update once more and there is nothing > more to update. > > So, what do I need to do at this point to recover gdm? > > Thanks- > Dan > Hi, Become a root user as you said you do. Take a look at /etc/inittab and familiarize yourself for a minute. Basically, we want to change the way how you get into your system after booting it. We drop gdm and do it thru non-gui login. Now, edit the file below and just copy the last line to the next line, comment out the old one, and change the new line to id:3 as you see it. Note: be careful not to add any extra line beyond the id:3... line . It is a known quirk about how that config file is parsed ! # vi /etc/inittab ... #*jb* id:5:initdefault: id:3:initdefault: File the changes and reboot your system with # reboot When you get your text login screen, login as a regular user and do $ startx This should bring up your X with e.g. Gnome desktop. Go to menu System - Administration - Services and deactivate offending services for the time beeing, i.e. avahi, ntp, BUT NOT haldaemon (this one must be be active: click Customize button to make sure that it is checked off on level 3,4,5; after that make sure that it is Enabled (also a button), and click Start button). Once you do that resboot your machine again (System - Shutdown - Restart). JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
suspend to RAM and NFS /home
Gordon Messmer eburg.com> writes: > > On 07/16/2010 01:59 AM, JB wrote: > > perhaps you could do it yourself: > >http://palebluedot.nl/jml/computer-stuff/26-umountnfs.html > > Can't very well unmount /home when I'm logged in, can I? Hi, I am not sure this is the solution to the problem (I am still searching Google for a clear answer and learning to be honest ...). man umount ... Note that a file system cannot be unmounted when it is ‘busy’ - for example, when there are open files on it, or when some process has its working directory there, or when a swap file on it is in use. The offending process could even be umount itself - it opens libc, and libc in its turn may open for example locale files. A lazy unmount avoids this problem. ... umount -f -l JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
A bit of a problem with a Linux/XP dual boot setup...
Dick Roark gmail.com> writes: > > root (hd1,2) > makeactive > chainloader +1 > Hi, please edit file # vi /etc/grub.conf and make sure that your Windows section reads like title Windows XP rootnoverify (hd1,1) makeactive chainloader +1 File it and reboot. For your info: The rootnoverify option tells GRUB to not try to verify the root of the OS. This avoids load errors if the file system is not supported by GRUB. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
A bit of a problem with a Linux/XP dual boot setup...
Gene Heskett gmail.com> writes: > > On Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:49:34 am JB did opine: > > > Dick Roark gmail.com> writes: > > > root (hd1,2) > > > makeactive > > > chainloader +1 > > > > Hi, > > please edit file > > # vi /etc/grub.conf > > and make sure that your Windows section reads like > ===> > > title Windows XP > > rootnoverify (hd1,1) > > makeactive > > chainloader +1 > ===> > Will this same sequence work with a linux install that uses grub 2? > > File it and reboot. > > > > For your info: > > The rootnoverify option tells GRUB to not try to verify the root of the > > OS. This avoids load errors if the file system is not supported by > > GRUB. JB > > Thanks. > Hi, with grub2 it is a different story. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2 par 1.1 Notes for current GRUB users ... Device naming has changed between GRUB and GRUB2. Partitions are numbered from 1 instead of 0 while drives are still numbered from 0. For example, /dev/sda1 would be referred to as (hd0,1) using GRUB2. ... http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList Command | GRUB Legacy | GRUB 2 | Comments ... root yes replaced now a variable rootnoverify yes no useless JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
A bit of a problem with a Linux/XP dual boot setup...
Gene Heskett gmail.com> writes: > > > > ===> > > > > > > > title Windows XP > > > > rootnoverify (hd1,1) > > > > makeactive > > > > chainloader +1 > > > > > > ===> > > > Will this same sequence work with a linux install that uses grub 2? > > > http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList > > and ignored I assume. But what then causes the grub2 stuff to be loaded > from /dev/sdX's MBR and a restart then done using grub2's menu's? The > "chainloader + 1" I have previously tried and wasn't able to make it work, > with or without spaces surrounding the '+'. Probably a typu on my part, but > the docs, what there is, are exceedingly sparse on the rules and syntax to > make grub actually do its dance. > See http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList ... chainloader ... ex. of use chainloader (hd0,1)+1 Also, click on chainloader link to see some more explanation. Grub 2 is still work in progress - e.g. Ubuntu 10.10 utilizes it, but other distros wait. It is just too important a package. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Installation @core packages list
Marco Vittorini Orgeas gmail.com> writes: > > Good morning, > I need to double check that a fresh vps fedora installation have > installed only the @core packages. > Anybody can point me to the list of packages > installed by fedora for the @core packages group ? > ... > Is possible to check with yum that only the @core > group is installed?(or to list the packages > of the @core group ?) > Hi, yum grouplist hidden yum groupinfo core JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Installation @core packages list
JB gmail.com> writes: > > yum grouplist hidden > yum groupinfo core > yum -v groupinfo core JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Installation @core packages list
Marco Vittorini Orgeas gmail.com> writes: > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:18:28 + (UTC) > JB gmail.com> wrote: > > > JB gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > > yum grouplist hidden > > > yum groupinfo core > > > > > yum -v groupinfo core > > JB > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > "yum grouplist hidden" shows as installed only the "system tools" group. > Also issuing a "yum list installed" and comparing to the list of > packages shown with a "yum groupinfo core" it seems there are a LOT > more of what is in the @core set.(other than package dependencies) > > So reading along the relevant section of yum man page, it seems that > who has installed the system have not selected a particular group but > instead have accepted some default of the fedora installer (like a mix > of @base and system tools - maybe using a kickstart file). > > Could you please confirm that the package section of a kickstart file > to install ONLY the @core package set is as follow: > > %packages --nobase > @Core > > thank you again > Package selection. ... Note that the Core and Base groups are always selected by default, so it is not necessary to specify them in the %packages section. ... The following options are available for the %packages option: --nobase Do not install the @Base group. Use this option if you are trying to create a very small system. So, it should be (to be perfect): %packages --nobase JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: XPCOM
Smith, Herb boeing.com> writes: > > Hi all... > > Over the weekend I updated my FC12 installation on my Dell Inspiron laptop to FC13. All seemed to go > flawlessly with one exception. When I try to launch Firefox it gives me the following message: > > Cannot Load XPCOM. > > Does anyone have any idea what that's all about and how it can be fixed? > > Thanks in advance. > > Herb > Hi, On my system F13 32-bit): # yum list xulrunner* ... Installed Packages xulrunner.i6861.9.2.4-1.fc13@updates ... #rpm -ql xulrunner |grep -i xpcom /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2/libxpcom.so /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2/regxpcom If not installed, do it now. # yum install xulrunner JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
How to prepare a restart of preupgrade?
Peter Diercks jls-hh.de> writes: > > Hello List, > > Running preupgrade-cli on my remote F11 server I received a message at > the end of the first stage stating that /boot lacked 54 kB of storage > space. I removed /efi and splash.xpm.gz. Now the process should work. > > But how to proceed from this point? Can I simply do a reboot? Or do I > have to restart preupgrade, and if so, would I have to remove any files > and directories already produced by the prior preupgrade step? > > Greetings, > > Peter > Hi, I would advise you to play safe. Preupgrade can be interrupted at any time and when it is restarted it resumes at the point of interruption. Nothing to lose, it will tell you every step and its status during execution. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Sun Java double-click interval
Pasan gmail.com> writes: > > ... > I have a feeling $HOME/.Xdefaults' is not checked by the X session. > Hi, symlink ~/.Xdefaults to ~/.Xresources JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Routing not working
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes: > ... > Here's ip route: > > 10.134.30.0/24 dev em1 proto kernel scope link src 10.134.30.143 > 192.168.9.0/24 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.9.1 > 169.254.0.0/16 dev em1 scope link metric 1002 > default via 10.134.30.196 dev em1 > ... I would give it a try ... This line: > 169.254.0.0/16 dev em1 scope link metric 1002 is about Zero configuration networking (zeroconf) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_configuration_networking which is implemented on F15 with Avahi-daemon. Disable it permanently, and reboot to get a clean networking/routing table. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15: LXDE install, OpenBox not running
Niels Weber gmail.com> writes: > ... How do you start LXDE ? I do: $ cat .xinitrc # start LXDE startlxde $ startx $ ps aux |grep -i lxde jb 11541 0.0 0.0 4452 748 pts/2S+ 18:10 0:00 grep -i lxde jb 29913 0.0 0.1 4856 1200 ?SJun03 0:01 /usr/bin/lxsession -s LXDE -e LXDE jb 29924 0.0 0.7 14880 5780 ?SJun03 0:12 openbox --config-file /home/jb/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml jb 29926 0.1 4.3 334880 32860 ?Sl Jun03 5:13 lxpanel --profile LXDE Also have: $ cat /etc/sysconfig/desktop PREFERRED=/usr/bin/startlxde DISPLAYMANAGER=/usr/sbin/lxdm JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What did I do wrong?
James McKenzie gmail.com> writes: > > On 6/5/11, david grant david-grant.com> wrote: > > > F15, Gnome 3 and Mouse Pointer Size > > ... > You realistically should be asking these questions AS WELL AS EVERYONE > ELSE on a Gnome 3 forum. All Fedora does is add this to the product > package as a convenience (and I really don't find it that convenient > when the download is 2+GB. Something around a single CD would be a > real great release package. If I want Gnome 3, I'll look for it and > get it. > > James McKenzie Well, it looks like you are firmly in the non-GNOME 3 camp :-) Systemd ? It looks like we will have UNIX-like Fedora back again :-) JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What did I do wrong?
James McKenzie gmail.com> writes: > ... > > Well, it looks like you are firmly in the non-GNOME 3 camp > I'm firmly in the 'If you want a GUI, go and get it' camp. If I wanted > Windows, I would buy it. > > Systemd ? It looks like we will have UNIX-like Fedora back again > Good. There's been that talk for a while... > > James McKenzie > (I've never met a CLI I don't like.) > The two babies were delivered. But that was not enuf - post factum they even told us that they wanted them to be dependent, which amounted to twins desired. Now they are both on life support :-) "What did I do wrong ?". Plenty ... JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Real benefits of RHEL over Fedora?
Ian Pilcher gmail.com> writes: > ... > RHEL is 100% open source (based on the OSI definition). > ... Are you sure about it ? I believe I have read it on a CentOS list that one of the reasons (perhaps the main one) they are so late with 6.0 release is that they think RHEL packages are compiled against software (libraries ?) that are part of their build process but are not officially released as part of RHEL 6.0 . JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Why F15 has up to 50% worse disk performance than Ubuntu ?
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora15_v_ubuntu1104&num=1 JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why F15 has up to 50% worse disk performance than Ubuntu ?
JB gmail.com> writes: > ... Could some basic test plan (or suite) for disk performance be included in QA release criteria, so that current and historical same-test (for regression detection) data be available ? It needs not be fancy, just to alert in case of bad things coming (we are talking about out-of-the-box experience). JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Why F15 has up to 50% worse disk performance than Ubuntu ?
Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > ... > Equally if Fedora has soem crappy background app that keeps writing > little bits of pointless data to the disk every second that'll do the job > nicely too. I think you did not make this comment out of the blue ? So why not bring it (them) into the light and knock around a bit ? Btw, would that apply to kernel daemons as well ? > ... Below are two comments relevant to test results. http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?54939-Is-Fedora-15-Faster-Than-Ubuntu-11.04 AdamW ... Also it'd be interesting to know if you kept the OS default partitioning scheme (in which case the Fedora install would likely have an LVM layer the Ubuntu one would not.) Yes, defaults. ... Ard Righ Junior Member Default Default LVM partitions One of the annoyances of Fedora, is the LVM-by-default install pattern that is used, which is great for desktops, and possibly basic servers, but generally sucks arse for laptops. And LVM will always kill performance. I am fairly sure removing LVM would even the disk performance numbers up to minimal differences. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Help with network
Eric Tanguy gmail.com> writes: > ... > I can run telnet 192.168.1.14 5900 from local but not from another > computer on the same network. > > How can i know where the problem come from ? > Thanks > Eric > Perhaps ? /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Oracle on F15
Luc MAIGNAN winxpert.com> writes: > ... # modprobe bridge Repeat install. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgraded F14 -> F15, now how do I use this?
Oliver Ruebenacker gmail.com> writes: > ... >From how you describe your desktop preferences, it seems to me that your DE switch should go from GNOME 2 to LXDE. LXDE is very fast (really refreshing !) - its Task Manager shows 110 MB RAM consumption after DE startup; I could not believe, that's 1/3 of what others take up front. It has very lean and quick apps (accessories, graphics, system utilities). You can customize it as well (Preferences are more than sufficient; sometimes on a lew level, but e.g. 'man date' allows you to adjust your date/time format very quickly). Administration menu is also familiar (and can be extended by installing whatever you wish from GUI system-* packages). The only external thing I needed was fonts configuration, which improved many apps considerably. Here is what you need (you can improve if you wish on your own). $ cat .fonts.conf true hintslight true rgb That's it ! Why bother with weirdos ... It's like entering a Second Life :-) JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 INFECTED [Suckit rootkit & Trojan] Help Please!
Manuel Escudero gmail.com> writes: > ... Get a live-cd like Knoppix or other (security) distro with: chkrootkit rkhunter (check its repo for actual presence of these sec tools before). Download and burn the cd on a separate machine. Then run it (obviously in read-only mode) on your suspect machine, executing both sec tools. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: btrfs to be standard fs for Fedora 16?
Tim yahoo.com.au> writes: > ... > Let me put it this way, then: If you try to boot a system, and the > filesystem within the LVM is stuffed, are you going to be able to do a > rudimentary boot (ala runlevel 1) and fsck it to sort it out? > > On a completely non LVM installation, if there was enough of the > filesystem around, you could do that. I don't recall that it was > possible if your system used LVM. > It is called "Texas hedge", or "Hold it !", or "betting the ranch" :-) :-) JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
systemd discussion
Hi, there is a very interesting discussion on Fedora devel list: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :) Denys Vlasenko http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152323.html The poster, Denys Vlasenko, showed an inquiring mind and justified it by asking very relevant UNIX fundamental and technical questions, thus showing he is a very knowledgeable person. I share his concerns about systemd: - going beyond system init replacement - not adhering to UNIX principles (modularity, etc) - interference with sysadmin duties/decisions to set up the system (e.g. loading modules on its own and e.g. enabling sys capabilities and protocols) To Denys: Drill, baby, drill :-) There are people on test and user lists who are afraid to even touch F15 ... and the reasons are systemd, GNOME 3, etc. Things called "progress" ... I follow the discussion with great interest and so should you all. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: systemd discussion
Clyde E. Kunkel cox.net> writes:
> ...
> All this said, I am beginning to believe Fedora is more and more an
> experiment in social engineering.
> ...
That's a well-chosen remark :-)
"Social engineering is the art of manipulating people into performing
actions...".
I think it also applies to open source domain activities.
I have had an impression over the years that users, but also ad hoc developers,
are used very instrumentally ("guinea pigs" ?) as users, testers, and devs, in
the process of furthering goals of open source projects or companies.
I see a dichotomy between e.g. open source companies' interests and those of
larger community, be it other open source organizations or even a mass of
individuals.
I am also surprised (have been for long time) by seeing Linux projects violating
UNIX principles of software development.
In this particular context, I am disappointed that they, apparently, lack
oversight by management, starting with the design phase.
Thanks god there are still those old timers all over the places, who are
vigilant
and capable of spotting brewing trouble, unfortunately almost after the fact.
JB
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Re: systemd discussion
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes: > ... I am going easy about systemd. I am not sure it is going to survive as is ... Just a small example. # yum info avahi ... Description : Avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on : a local network -- this means that you can plug your laptop or : computer into a network and instantly be able to view other : people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find : files being shared. This kind of technology is already found in : MacOS X (branded 'Rendezvous', 'Bonjour' and sometimes : 'ZeroConf') and is very convenient. ... I used to remove avahi package from my systems prior to F15 - no need for "zeroconf" here. And I could do it, if I remember it. With F15, try it: # yum remove avahi ... === Package Arch VersionRepositorySize === Removing: avahii686 0.6.30-3.fc15 @koji-override-1/$releasever 997 k Removing for dependencies: avahi-compat-libdns_sd i686 0.6.30-3.fc15 @koji-override-1/$releasever 30 k avahi-glib i686 0.6.30-3.fc15 @koji-override-1/$releasever 10 k gigolo i686 0.4.1-2.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 546 k gnome-vfs2 i686 2.24.4-5.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 3.3 M gnomebaker i686 0.6.4-10.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 2.0 M gvfs i686 1.8.2-1.fc15 @updates 5.1 M libbonoboui i686 2.24.5-1.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 1.2 M libfm-gtki686 0.1.15-5.D20110427gita1f63c3114.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 331 k libgnome i686 2.32.1-2.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 2.9 M libgnomeui i686 2.24.5-2.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 3.5 M libpurplei686 2.7.11-2.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 27 M lxde-common noarch 0.5.5-0.2.20110328git87c368d7.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 919 k lxmusic i686 0.4.4-4.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 384 k pcmanfm i686 0.9.9-5.D20110422git3f899d14eb.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 665 k pidgin i686 2.7.11-2.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 2.9 M xmms2i686 0.7-8.fc15 @koji-override-0/$releasever 2.5 M Transaction Summary === Remove 17 Package(s) Installed size: 54 M Is this ok [y/N]: n Why ? May I add that avahi is a brain child of the same dev Lennart Poettering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_(software) JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: systemd discussion
Petrus de Calguarium writes: > ... > Why shouldn't it load modules on its own? If the system can take care of > running itself, then all the less for me to worry about. I don't want to have > to configure every little thing; I want the system to run itself. But, I do > like to be able to configure those things that interest me. I think that > Fedora 15, as it is now, allows me this. > Here is the answer - you should be more sceptical about systemd's "helpfulness": http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152596.html > ... > If you don't like gnome 3 or kde 4, then there are lots of other window > managers in the fedora repos, or you can go all cli by logging in to vt-2 to > vt6. > Yes, indeed - LXDE is my new desktop. I love classics :-) JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: systemd discussion
夜神 岩男 yahoo.co.jp> writes: > > Sorry, JB, I usually avoid posting (hence the trash email address), but > not today because this hit home. > Well, we are happy we woke you up :-) > ... > There are too many people to please and > no possible way everyone can communicate everything to each other and > discuss prior to making a decision on something. I think many users/testers on this list are experienced and have a good sense of what is important. If they are not sure about it, the exchange of opinions here clears up their mind. Fedora is, according to : http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora "The Fedora Project is an openly-developed project designed by Red Hat, open for general participation, led by a meritocracy, following a set of project objectives. The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from open source software. Development will be done in a public forum." Now, I think that Fedora (thru its Red Hat sponsorship) is acting "by ambush" - that is, there is very little consideration for opinion expressed by users *prior* to schedule of new major features (projects) to be implemented in next release. It is assumed that what Red Hat thinks is good for them, Fedora, and by simple extrapolation it must be for everybody associated with Fedora (formally or not). That's why I said the users and testers are treated instrumentally. The systemd is an example of a hard push and twisting of facts about others' participation in adopting it that backfired. The warnings were coming in advance from users community here. They were ignored as noice. Now they are coming even from within Red Hat itself, heavy guns judging by quality of arguments presented (fundamental and technical). Clearly, there is something wrong about the process of Fedora development. Also, Red Hat and Fedora thru their systemd developer Lennart Poettering, and GNOME 3 devs, together tried to ambush Linux community at large, when they "proposed" a mutual dependency plan, exclusive to Linux and "screw other UNIX and Linux distros", in which the role of systemd went far beyond its original purpose to be a replacement of system init. That alienated many people from different corners of Linux *and* UNIX domains, as could be seen in tech magazines and various discussion forums. I think all these mishaps and encountered resistance are examples of bad PR for Red Hat and Fedora. I think there is a need to think about it. Please take the users and your own people more seriously if you want a viable community, Fedora distro, and later collect fruits of your past actions. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: systemd discussion
JB gmail.com> writes: > ... > # yum remove avahi > ... See previous post. Why is avahi dependent on (I have a LXDE desktop): gnomebaker - CD/DVD burner lxde-common - configuration files for LXDE lxmusic - music client pcmanfm - PCMan File Manager pidgin - instant messaging client etc. Can anybody help ? JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: systemd discussion
Michael Ekstrand elehack.net> writes: > > On 06/16/2011 05:09 AM, JB wrote: > > JB gmail.com> writes: > > See previous post. > > > > Why is avahi dependent on (I have a LXDE desktop): > > gnomebaker - CD/DVD burner > > lxde-common - configuration files for LXDE > > lxmusic - music client > > pcmanfm - PCMan File Manager > > pidgin - instant messaging client > > etc. > > > > Can anybody help ? > > Avahi is not dependent on those things. Those things are dependent on > Avahi. Further, the part you snipped in the original post shows the > path that yum took to get to each program. > > Avahi is required by the GNOME VFS layer (probably to find network file > systems), which is in turn used by GnomeBaker and pcmanfm. Pidgin > probably supports local network messaging, which is based on Zeroconf > and therefore uses Avahi. xmms evidently also requires Avahi (network > audio source detection? DAAP music sharing?), and lxmusic requires xmms. > > This is further forced by the fact that RPM does not support optional > dependencies, unlike Debian's package system. Therefore, the only way > for a package to say "you should really have this" is to depend on it > (assuming that VFS can even function without avahi). > > But the bottom line is: Avahi is used by some core libraries like the > VFS layer, which in turn are used by your applications. Taking it off > requires them to go as well. You could try disabling Avahi (look at > Lennart's blog posts for how to force systemd not to enable certain > services) to avoid the run-time overhead if you really want. > > - Michael > # yum remove avahi Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks, presto, priorities, refresh- : packagekit Setting up Remove Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package avahi.i686 0:0.6.30-3.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: avahi = 0.6.30-3.fc15 for package: avahi-compat-libdns_sd-0.6.30-3.fc15.i686 --> Processing Dependency: avahi = 0.6.30-3.fc15 for package: avahi-glib-0.6.30-3.fc15.i686 --> Running transaction check ---> Package avahi-compat-libdns_sd.i686 0:0.6.30-3.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: libdns_sd.so.1 for package: xmms2-0.7-8.fc15.i686 ---> Package avahi-glib.i686 0:0.6.30-3.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: libavahi-glib.so.1 for package: gnome-vfs2-2.24.4-5.fc15.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libavahi-glib.so.1 for package: libpurple-2.7.11-2.fc15.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libavahi-glib.so.1 for package: gvfs-1.8.2-1.fc15.i686 --> Running transaction check ---> Package gnome-vfs2.i686 0:2.24.4-5.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: libgnomevfs-2.so.0 for package: libgnome-2.32.1-2.fc15.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libgnomevfs-2.so.0 for package: gnomebaker-0.6.4-10.fc15.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libgnomevfs-2.so.0 for package: libgnomeui-2.24.5-2.fc15.i686 ---> Package gvfs.i686 0:1.8.2-1.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: gvfs for package: libfm-gtk-0.1.15-5.D20110427gita1f63c3114.fc15.i686 ---> Package libpurple.i686 0:2.7.11-2.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: libpurple.so.0 for package: pidgin-2.7.11-2.fc15.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libpurple(x86-32) = 2.7.11-2.fc15 for package: pidgin-2.7.11-2.fc15.i686 ---> Package xmms2.i686 0:0.7-8.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: libxmmsclient-glib.so.1 for package: lxmusic-0.4.4-4.fc15.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libxmmsclient.so.6 for package: lxmusic- 0.4.4-4.fc15.i686 --> Processing Dependency: xmms2 >= 0.7 for package: lxmusic-0.4.4-4.fc15.i686 --> Running transaction check ---> Package gnomebaker.i686 0:0.6.4-10.fc15 will be erased ---> Package libfm-gtk.i686 0:0.1.15-5.D20110427gita1f63c3114.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: libfm-gtk.so.0 for package: pcmanfm-0.9.9-5.D20110422git3f899d14eb.fc15.i686 ---> Package libgnome.i686 0:2.32.1-2.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: libgnome-2.so.0 for package: libbonoboui-2.24.5-1.fc15.i686 ---> Package libgnomeui.i686 0:2.24.5-2.fc15 will be erased ---> Package lxmusic.i686 0:0.4.4-4.fc15 will be erased ---> Package pidgin.i686 0:2.7.11-2.fc15 will be erased --> Running transaction check ---> Package libbonoboui.i686 0:2.24.5-1.fc15 will be erased ---> Package pcmanfm.i686 0:0.9.9-5.D20110422git3f899d14eb.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: pcmanfm for package: lxde-common-0.5.5-0.2.20110328git87c368d7.fc15.noarch --> Running transaction check ---> Package lxde-common.noarch 0:0.5.5-0.2.20110328git87c368d7.fc15 will be erased --> Processing Dependency: /usr/bin/gvfs-open for package: gigolo- 0.4.1-2.fc15.i686 --> Restarting Depende
Re: Special Characters
nomnex gmail.com> writes: > ... > Could somebody help me setting the compose key on Fedora LXDE 13. > I probably have to edit a text file. Which one, how, and its location > would help. Thanks > http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Change_keyboard_layouts JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
OT - Trusted Boot project in F16
Hi, Heads-up for those who are/should be interested. http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-June/100976.html JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT - Trusted Boot project in F16
Joe Wulf yahoo.com> writes: > ... > Um another question come to mind, like, will such an OS still boot/work on > Intel (and AMD?) CPUs, say older ones, that don't have the TPM? > > R, > -Joe Wulf > ... $ rpm -ql tboot ... /usr/share/doc/tboot-20110429/README Overview of Tboot Functionality: ... o Measured Launch. If the processor is detected as being TXT-capable and enabled then the code will attempt to perform a measured launch. If the measured launch process fails (processor is not capable, TXT is not enabled, missing SINIT, corrupted data, etc.)) then it will fall-through to a non-TXT boot. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT - Trusted Boot project in F16
Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:16:35 + (UTC) > JB gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Heads-up for those who are/should be interested. > > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-June/100976.html > > Strange Not any more ... I am subscribed to devel list :-) I posted my questions there now, so take a look if interested. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT - Trusted Boot project in F16
Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > ... > It also has some interesting licensing issues if you don't do > this - in particular the GPL says > > 1. The "source code" for a work means the preferred form of the > work for making modifications to it. > > Which would appear to mean 'with the keys so I can re-sign it' > > 2. The "Corresponding Source" for a work in object code form > means all the source code needed to generate, install, and (for an > executable work) run the object code and to modify the work, including > scripts to control those activities. > > Which would appear to imply any keys needed > > GPL 3 covers all sorts of other stuff, so any mix of TC and GPLv3 ends up > horribly messy because the user must be able to modify the material and > there are anti DMCA provisions thankfully. > > 3.It's been stated by several kernel developers that they believe > and intend the GPLv2 to be read to include such keys. In fact some kernel > files contain the following note > > * For the avoidance of doubt the "preferred form" of this code is one >which > * is in an open non patent encumbered format. Where cryptographic key >signing > * forms part of the process of creating an executable the information > * including keys needed to generate an equivalently functional executable > * are deemed to be part of the source code. > ... I will take a shot at something I admit to have hard time to understand (well, it was meant to be that way ...). I do not know how to express it best, but ... considering the literal meaning of the above, OR, the "in spirit" meaning of the above ... would that be applicable to: - original RH distro build environment specs - or, some say non-released libraries RH distro is compiled against be released to any party wanting it, like in case of RH clone makers (CentOS, others) who have difficulty cloning it due to lack of knowledge of or missing one or both of the above ? JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: My eyes! My eyes!
Christopher Svanefalk gmail.com> writes: > ... > ...I guess I never learn to research before writing. It appears that > some (if not all) programs with internal settings for appearance resort > primarily to their own default settings rather than global settings > (this seems to be the case with Thunderbird at least). Don't know if > this can be overidden somehow. You can specify attributes of an app and its elements individually. I would suggest you get familiar with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_resources ~/.Xresources (older file used to be .Xdefaults) http://xwinman.org/rc/Xresources http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xresources.html JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Name resolution
Tim yahoo.com.au> writes: > ... > Want an example? There's the president who "did not have sex with that > woman." Well, he apparently did have some sexually intimate relations, > just not conjoined genitals. So the denial is correct, but incorrect. > ... Not only that ! She claimed to have smoked but not inhaled too ... :-) JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora tools for technical analysis of stocks
Paul Smith gmail.com> writes: > > Dear All, > > Is there some tool that works on Fedora to do technical analysis of > stocks in stock markets? > > Thanks in advance, > > Paul Google search: unix linux stock tech analysis e.g. http://qtstalker.sourceforge.net/ http://eiffel-mas.sourceforge.net/ They are in tar.gz format, but that should not be a problem to install in /usr/local dir. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Name resolution
Joe Zeff zeff.us> writes: > > On 07/05/2011 07:40 AM, JB wrote: > > Not only that ! > > She claimed to have smoked but not inhaled too ... > > Obviously you've never smoked either a pipe or a cigar. The only form > of tobacco you inhale is a cigarette. > > Oh, wait, you probably weren't talking about tobacco, were you? Never mind! Yes, it was a play on both, "her" and "smoking" - things in life are sometimes so multithreaded, one could not imagine them, ever. Peace. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to set a default network connection in FC15
Abu Attar Musharih gmail.com> writes: > > Dear List, > > I connect to the internet via wireless. There are two available > connections, the first one is set up by myself (insert IP etc), the > other is automatically found by the network manager. > > The problem is, the network manager sometimes changes the connection > to the automatically found one and creates problem as it needs proxy. > > I want to make the connection which I set as a default so the manager > can not change it automatically. > ... This seems to be a feature that NetworkManager devs have different view of how to handle. NM works this way: "NetworkManager will automatically connect to networks you have connected to before, but you will need to manually connect at least the first time. Simply select the network or device from the list, and NetworkManager will attempt to connect, asking you if more information is required." "NetworkManager provides automatic network detection and configuration for the system. Once enabled, the NetworkManager service also monitors the network interfaces, and may automatically switch to the best connection at any given time." We (and others) have discussed something similar here: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-December/389163.html I will add Fedora - Network configuration: http://openskill.info/infobox.php?ID=247 Once again, you may try to achieve this with different profiles. Or file a request-for-enhancement with upstream project http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ and hope to have more luck than anybody else. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to set a default network connection in FC15
Antonio M gmail.com> writes: > ... > I find strange that if I am connected to wireless network A, after > suspending the computer and un-suspending it, computer will connect to > network B(I have many available wireless networks at same site..) > Is it a normal behaviour?? > Well, follow this and try to figure it out why: http://www.arachnoid.com/linux/NetworkManager/ ... "NM chooses a connection according to these general priorities (and assuming the user's connections are marked "autoconnect"): 1. Highest priority is given to a functioning wired connection. 2. If (1) is not available, then connection is made to a wireless AP that is defined or that has been connected to before. 3. If (2) is not available, then connection is made to any available wireless AP. 4. This is by no means the whole decision tree, and it will doubtless change over time." ... JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: upstart with fedora 15
Christopher Stolzenberg googlemail.com> writes: > > I've seen that upstart is still in the fedora 15 repository. > > How can I install upstart instead of systemd? > > -- > Christopher I guess you just install it ... # yum install upstart JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnome 3 ~ Windows 8?
Mike Chambers miketc.net> writes: > ... > Now that F15 has had a few weeks of heavy use, and people have either > adapted to the new interface or adopted a permanently frustrated > attitude toward it, I'm curious the general feeling. (Sorry, my English > is giving out -- I think this last sentence may be weird.) > ... You may test the "gemeral feeling" e.g. at a popular site like Distrowatch.com . See Ditrowatch's Weekly news, go to bottom and see/expand Reader Comments section, scan page for "gnome" and "unity" (they are in the same category of experimentation). Start with last one, and see also some back editions: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20110711 Some of these Ubuntu and Unity frustrated users are so clueless that they seek a remedy by wanting to move to Fedora ... There are some wolves waiting for them: GNOME 3, systemd, ... :-) This is hilarious ! JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnome 3 ~ Windows 8?
Tom H gmail.com> writes: > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Tom Horsley gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:04:12 + (UTC) > > JB wrote: > >> > >> Some of these Ubuntu and Unity frustrated users are so clueless that they > >> seek a remedy by wanting to move to Fedora ... > >> There are some wolves waiting for them: GNOME 3, systemd, ... > > > > Have you tried Unity? I didn't think it was possible to make > > a more absurd user interface than Gnome 3 right up until > > I tried Unity, then Gnome 3 suddenly looked like sheer > > genius in comparison. > > GNOME Shell and Unity seem very similar - and equally good - to me! Btw, I always wanted to ask you about it ... Are you, Tom Horsley and Tom H, the same guys, but just very playful with us by always standing on the opposite sides of the issue ? :-) JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnome 3 ~ Windows 8?
Roelof 'Ben' Kusters bentrein.com> writes: > ... > > One thing is sure: Your new user-base will not be your current (old) > > user-base. > ... > I adore Gnome3. It is where > computing is going, like it or not. What we now know as desktops will in > the not so very distant future be used only for servers and other large > storage devices. Computing will be entirely mobile, and envision a little > device on your collar (possibly in combination with glasses, but > preferably without) that reads and responds to your arm movements, and > projects your computing environment in front/around you. A keyboard will > no longer be a physical thing, it'll be projected on the surface in front > of you... Gnome3 is - although far from there - going in that direction. > It is - like stated elsewhere - very suitable for PADs (I call them > tablets, but whatever). On Desktops it's very possible to multitask btw, > as long as you have a rather wide display... Then you don't need > everything full screen. :) > > The movements needed for use of Gnome3 are very much Grab and Drag. I can > see myself doing this sitting in the garden with a matchbox strapped to my > collar... > ... I am glad you posted it here ... I have had an itch to poke around it for quite some time :-) In their infinite wisdom to find new sources of revenue, new catwalks are constructed and new clowns are at work. And as a result of that, all those servers, PCs, notebooks, and all software that's run on them, will just disappear, substituted by "clouds" and PDA's. And only some Amazonian tribes will stick to them, confused, while looking into sky "clouds" thru their "windows" and waiting for the Gods who once promised to come back and save them ... All these and similar wild-ass predictions, "re-engineering", and other fads that have mostly originated in "La La Land", in the persuit of opportunistic profits, "progress", "improvement", "saving capitalism", etc only resulted in progressive destruction of the West, its industrial and engineering base, and its people in the last 20 years or so. Let's consider just a few reality checks. Start with year 2000 and beyond "for a change", and also consider these pertinent and recent financial results and corporate stories related to those hand-held devices (check their stock prices !): RIM, Nokia, Motorola (split), to name a few. If that's not enough, these same wild-ass pranksters assume that "cloud computing" is or will be the answer. Again, with those hand-held devices playing a major role ... Just imagine all those happy corporate customers putting their business like big and mid iron worldwide customer software and databases on and behind those "clouds", abandoning their current model of business of maintainig corporate data, development centers, and their own skilled employees, and in persuit of total happiness letting their worldwide customers twit and sex text until they drop dead ... ! What about the security of those "clouds" ? What about the privacy of those "clouds" ? Many "what about" questions that would have to be asked ! And do not forget the outsourcing of production, engineering, and services ! We will just write put and calls, futures, and other derivative instruments we do not have a slightest clue about and that blow in our faces (but have received Nobel price recognition), and just happily practice "mass copulations" every couple of years, "for a change" :-) Yea, only in Amerika, and those nitwit European corporate states :-) A sorry state of mind of corporate and computing luminaries, the microcosm of which is represented by GNOME 3, Unity, Windows 8 GUI, and others ... JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnome 3 ~ Windows 8?
Roelof 'Ben' Kusters bentrein.com> writes: > > Change is gonna happen. And it's gonna destroy the status quo. > If you ask me, it's very urgent that that happens, because - next to a > whole new - perhaps Matrix like - approach to social interaction, it will > make room for other technologies too. > ... Regarding the social interaction that the "change" will bless us with ... Fedora users after SELinux, GNOME 3, and systemd treatment. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015034/Owling-new-planking-New-crouching-craze-springs-internet.html > ... > > What about the privacy of those "clouds" ? > ... R. Stallman, "clouds", security, privacy, law. http://www.searchenginejournal.com/stallmans-cloud-concerns-fight-for-laws- or-against-technology/26503/ JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Progress?
Gilboa Davara gmail.com> writes: > > On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 18:59 -0400, David A. De Graaf wrote: > > Give us... Give us... Give us... > ... That's very customary to say "Give us ...". He is not demanding anything at gunpoint :-) > I wonder, do you really assume that sending a list of demands will > actually accomplish anything or were you simply trolling? > > ... Because if you were actually trying to be constructive, oh man, you > chose the wrong way to do it. > > - Gilboa > He is highlighting a larger problem with Fedora ... These, and others (GNOME, systemd, etc) ... creeping in (more or less openly). Linux Windows (Fedora, Red Hat, ...) ?! JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F15 update - dependency resolution error
YumEx update run aborted. Dependency Resolution Errors: Package: createrepo-0.9.9-4.fc15.noarch (updates) Requires: yum >= 3.2.29-8 Installed: yum-3.2.29-7.fc15.noarch (@updates) yum = 3.2.29-7.fc15 Available: yum-3.2.29-4.fc15.noarch (fedora) yum = 3.2.29-4.fc15 JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: How to find amount of free memory from within a C program
Ranjan Maitra iastate.edu> writes: > ... > In any case, is there a ready way (function or such) to find out how > much memory is available to me from inside a C program? I would like > this to be as generic as possible. > ... http://linux.die.net/include/linux/kernel.h http://linux.die.net/man/2/intro JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Help Pl: Fedora 15 not detecting PCI Parallel Port
Sanjay Arora gmail.com> writes: > ... > lspci -v lists the device below > > > 02:00.0 Serial controller: Device 4348:5053 (rev 10) (prog-if 02 [16550]) > > Subsystem: Device 4348:5053 > > Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 16 > > I/O ports at e010 [size=8] > > I/O ports at e000 [size=8] > > Kernel driver in use: serial > Perhaps this will help you in putting the needed pieces together. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/parport/Kconfig http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1304178 Also Google search for: linux Multi-IO card parallel and serial not recognized JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: "wireless disabled in software"
Timothy Murphy eircom.net> writes: > > WiFi on my Thinkpad T60 has stopped working recently. > I'm running Fedora-15/KDE. > > When I hover over the NetworkManager icon in the panel > I read "Disconnected Wireless disabled in software" > > I'm wondering who gives this message, > and what it means? > > My WiFi card is Intel/PRO 3945ABG > The driver seems to be iwl3945. > > I might mention that WiFi works fine on this machine > under Windows XP. > Some points to consider (mainly who could modify or interfere with /etc/resolv.conf): - dhclient $ apropos dhclient dhclient (8) - Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol Client dhclient-script (8) - DHCP client network configuration script dhclient.conf (5)- DHCP client configuration file dhclient.leases (5) - DHCP client lease database Note: dhclient.conf has options (prepend, etc) to modify /etc/resolv.conf, usually found in a config file under /etc dir. # find /etc -iname "*dhclient*" - zeroconf Basically avahi package. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_%28software%29 Usually it changes kernel routing table if installed ($ route -n), etc. It also manipulates DNS (DNS service discovery). I am not on KDE, but I see KDE-specific package for zeroconf: $ yum info kdnssd-avahi JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
Olav Vitters vitters.nl> writes: > ... > And as I've said, I'm happy that there is a discussion (or just > downright "I hate it"). But please keep it respectful. Do not make stuff up, OK ? Nobdy said here that "they hate GNOME 3", did they ? You are a known GNOME 3 fanboy here and there is nothing you can add to this list regarding it. The market place (users) have already spoken - the result it a wide rejection of your idea of DE for a hand device, tablet, netbook, notebook, workstation, server, all at the same time, You do not have a clue, regardless of how many jokers are in GNOME 3 dev camp. You have done a considerable damage to yourselves and Linux desktop in the market place. I personally think that you GNOME 3 devs are incompetent (I know that there are some who are not happy about the state of it and perhaps will get an upper hand in due time - the sooner the better). Otherwise, if you do not like and are not capable of understanding user's needs, there is no hope for you. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > > > I personally think that you GNOME 3 devs are incompetent (I know that there > > are some who are not happy about the state of it and perhaps will get > > an upper hand in due time - the sooner the better). > > That seems uncalled for. Trying to build a new desktop is a large, non > trivial project. It doesn't take incompetence to get it badly wrong in > places, it's an inevitable part of any big change. The real test will be > how well it gets sorted and tidied up. > > Most of the Gnome 3 developers have done a heck of a lot more work than > almost all of the peanut gallery. > > Alan Alan, I think you are mistaken by trying to be an apologist for GNOME 3 and its devs. I repeat my main line of GNOME 3 disapproval: the idea of one DE for a hand device, tablet, netbook, notebook, workstation, server. And I do not want to repeat mine and others disapproval of lower level, technical design (menus, layout of work spaces, windows handling, etc), so called user experience. You can not assume that everybody is now conspiring to bring down GNOME 3 and its devs, do you ? As far as I am concerned it is a shame to present that kind of conceptual garbage even in an alpha/beta stage, and call it a "necessary progress". I think GNOME 3 devs and their handlers (you know who you are, do you ?) are either stupid or evil. I tend to think that evil presumes rationality. So it remains stupidity. People who come up with such idea and design and write a DE like GNOME 3 for users across the entire market market spectrum deserve to be put in a straitjacket and kept on Prozac ad infinitum. They injure themselves and others, and so can not be trusted that they are sane and not dangerous to environment. They are complete lunatics and should be treated as such. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes: > > On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:08:32 + (UTC) > JB wrote: > > > People who come up with such idea and design and write a DE like GNOME 3 > > for > > users across the entire market market spectrum deserve to be put in > > a straitjacket and kept on Prozac ad infinitum. > > And the new Windows 8 hype is also talking about unification across the > entire spectrum of devices, and then there is ubuntu unity, which makes > gnome 3 look good . > > Can all these different development organizations be wrong about > a unified interface? (personally, I'd say "yes" . With regard to MS - they do a step dance, kind of funny one (one step forward, one step backward, and one step sideways, etc). Their Windows 8 is planned to have "progressive" Metro DE, and "retro" Classic DE as well, as separate applications. Just in case ... So they can not be accused of lack of conviction :-) GNOME looks like a peanut gallery in comparison to them ! Sinofsky: Classic Desktop Is a Separate Application in Windows 8 http://www.osnews.com/story/25120/Sinofsky_Classic_Desktop_Is_a_Separate_Application_in_Windows_8 JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: "wireless disabled in software"
Timothy Murphy eircom.net> writes: > ... > >> Recently, a new nightmare has occurred; > >> a window comes up called Secret, or something like that, > >> with a space for a password, in which it is impossible to write. > >> Admittedly closing the window does not seem to leave matters > >> any worse than before. > > > > haven't a clue what you are getting at here > > I've never seen it before. > It is a small window entitled Secret which appears in the middle of the > screen, with a space denoted "Password" in which I cannot in fact write. > (I wouldn't know what to write even if I could.) > I take it that it has something to do with NM, > since I know NM is very fond of the word "secret". > This phenomenon has only occurred about 5 times, in the last day or two, > so I assume it comes from a new version of NM, > or possibly some other application. > Has no-one else seen this? > ... You can determine who is the owner (application) of that "password" window. I can not remember it now, but it was inquired on Fedora users or testers list some time ago regarding how to do it. Search for it. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
Joe Zeff zeff.us> writes: > ... > How about the way that you can only trigger a specific and needed action > (I don't remember which, as I don't use Gnome 3.) by going to the top > left corner of the screen and this can only be changed by installing a > third-party extension that lets you use the top right corner instead. > It was recently revealed here that this was done because the Gnome dev > who did it is left handed. From what I can tell, the other devs either > let him do it whatever way he wanted without comment or if they did > comment, he ignored them. This type of "development" leads to a > confusing mishmash of inconsistencies, which is one of the things that > drove me away. I may be wrong, but I've also gotten the impression that > in many cases, a small group of devs forced the rest of them to accept > something that most of them didn't like simply by being intransigent > until everybody else gave up and let them have their way. If not, the > results certainly look like that to me. There is a similar case with systemd project. There is a meister there as well who tells people "If you disagree with Lennart then you must hate handicapped people!". For reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERAXJj142o This is their idea of an interaction between devs and users ... JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2
Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > ... > I do think there is a problem with the Gnome development model and its > unwillingness of many of its developers to accept external input as > anything but criticism of them personally. The foundation-list is > currently involved in a fascinating example where many of the developers > are attempting to block and stonewall a third party survey of desktop > users and their interests. It reminds me of the behaviour of > failing governments that are about to implode before an election is > forced - a complete total denial. > This is about a GNOME 3 hacker who got lost in life ... --- Give Me Back My Dog... A cowboy named Bud was overseeing his herd in a remote pasture in Texas when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced toward him out of a cloud of dust. The driver, a young man in a Brioni suit, Gucci shoes, RayBan sunglasses and YSL tie, leaned out the window and asked the cowboy, "If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, Will you give me a calf?" Bud looks at the man, obviously a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing herd and calmly answers, "Sure, Why not?" The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer, connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3 cell phone, and surfs to a NASA page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo. The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg , Germany . Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot that the image has been processed and the data stored. He then accesses an MS-SQL database through an ODBC connected Excel spreadsheet with email on his Blackberry and, after a few minutes, receives a response. Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet printer, turns to the cowboy and says, "You have exactly 1,586 cows and calves." "That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says Bud. He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on with amusement as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car. Then Bud says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?" The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?" "You're a GNOME 3 developer", says Bud. "Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?" "No guessing required." answered the cowboy. "You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked. You used millions of dollars worth of equipment trying to show me how much smarter than me you are; and you don't know a thing about how working people make a living - or about cows, for that matter. This is a herd of sheep. . Now give me back my dog. Reproduced with permission. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in system-config-firewall ?
linux guy gmail.com> writes: > > Hi people.I'm setting up ssh on a server box.I'm using system-config-firewall > to open up port 22 for it.Here is the thing... it *appears* that > system-config-firewall has port 22 opened up by default, for some reason. > Ie the port is checked on the port list in system-config-firewall. Yes, that's the dev's intention. > However, if I run nmap from the remote machine (nmap -sS -F 192.168...) it > shows all the ports to be closed. Before you run nmap, verify your target machine's state. Result of user configuration (via system-config-firewall): # cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables ... -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT ... Next, actual iptables (as a result of above): # iptables -n -L -v Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) ... 0 0 ACCEPT tcp -- * * 0.0.0.0/00.0.0.0/0 state NEW tcp dpt:22 And now verify sshd listening: # netstat -nltp ... If that shows everything as expected or not (after fresh reboot, and after your manual configuration), you have a basis of questioning or not firewall's workings. > If I unselect port 22 and press Apply and then select it and press Apply > again, nmap finds it open and all is well.However, if I then reboot, > the port is again closed ! One seems to need to repeat the unselect-Apply/ > select-Apply procedure to get it working again.Is it just me or do others > have the same problem ? JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in system-config-firewall ?
linux guy gmail.com> writes: > > I found a work around. Instead of entering port 22 as a "Trusted Port", enter it manually as an "Other Port".What is it with Linux (ie Fedora, Ubuntu, etc) and firewall managers ? Firestarter was crap for years and now we have this ?I think I know why Samba wasn't working when I set it up last week. I spent at least a day working on it. I never thought to run nmap. Live, pay and learn.LG > The workaround is just that. But you should investigate it more. I am on F14 - opened port 22 via GUI firewall, applied it, and a new rule showed up in config file and in iptables. Then I rebooted and all was as expected. You should test it on your F? distro as well and expect it to be OK. The only theoretical possibilty to have firewall and its config file /etc/sysconfig/iptables (if any initially) and iptables itself out of sync is right during system installation or later after re-installation of either firewall or iptables packages. In case of installation of the firewall package system-config-firewall, it would require a post-installation action to generate /etc/sysconfig/iptables file (this file is obviously not part of the package as '# rpm -ql system-config-firewall' shows). So, you should test this case as well: - get offline - remove firewall # yum remove system-config-firewall - remove old iptables and ip6tables config files (if IPv6 present as well) # rm /etc/sysconfig/iptables # rm /etc/sysconfig/ip6tables - restart iptables and ip6tables services to clear it up This will depend on which F? you are on. - re-install firewall # yum install system-config-firewall - now see what you got, if any # ls -l /etc/sysconfig/iptables* # ls -l /etc/sysconfig/ip6tables* Did the installation run post-install action and create them ? If so, is that default open port 22 reflected in the rules there ? # cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables # cat /etc/sysconfig/ip6tables If so, is that also reflected in iptables itself ? # iptables -n -L -v Draw conclusions from all of this and eventually submit a Bugzilla report. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: selinux is a pain
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes: > ... > So basically, you can get a system which is every bit as secure > as one running selinux by turning off selinux, and then you don't > ever get bothered by the "occasional need" to write a custom > policy, or get fooled into a sense of security because you > have selinux turned on. Words of wisdom ... Same here :-) JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
FYI: Systemd Gets Booted From openSUSE Tumbleweed
Systemd Gets Booted From openSUSE Tumbleweed http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTkyNg JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Minor update question
Reindl Harald thelounge.net> writes: > ... > P.S.: the peopole who decided to moderate my mails to the list > should consider revert this or push them a little faster instead > of days and weeks later or silently drop them > > normally a moderated list anserwers instantly that it is moderated > and also sends notifies if a message is rejected, this list is > a randomly black hole > > > You did not say how you post to the list, directly or via other service. For example, people who post via GMANE may occasionally be delayed, or after a few days of inactivity asked to re-authenticate the "from e-mail address" with them (you have to check you mail; ignoring responses will burn you), even lose it due to a temporary storage space limit. So, consider it. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance
Terry Barnaby beam.ltd.uk> writes: > ... It would be useful to publish a test for # Test4, defaults: nfs version 3 that is with "sync" option, so we could see if similar degradation was present with older protocol ? One other thing: it would be interesting to see the results if instead of in-place (/data/...) execution of time tar -xf ... you first untared your files into non-NFS dir mkdir -p /tmp/untared cd /tmp/untared tar -xf /tmp/jpgraph-3.5.0b1.tar and then executed 'time cp /tmp/untared/* /data/tmp/' JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance
Terry Barnaby beam.ltd.uk> writes: > ... > # Test1, defaults: nfs version 4, sync > Server /etc/exports: "/data *.kingnet(rw)" > Client /etc/fstab:"king.kingnet:/data /data nfs defaults 0 0" > > dd if=/tmp/data.bin of=/data/tmp/data.bin bs=102400 > 32.9 MB/s > > dd if=/data/tmp/data.bin of=/tmp/data1.bin bs=102400 > 66.5 MB/s <+++ > > time tar -xf /tmp/jpgraph-3.5.0b1.tar > real9m35.235s <=== > > time cp -a /tmp/jpgraph-3.5.0b1 /data/tmp > real6m6.373s > > # Test4, nfs version 3, sync > Server /etc/exports: "/data *.kingnet(rw,async)" > Client /etc/fstab:"king.kingnet:/data /data nfs defaults,nfsvers=3 0 0" > > dd if=/tmp/data.bin of=/data/tmp/data.bin bs=102400 > 34.6 MB/s > > dd if=/data/tmp/data.bin of=/tmp/data1.bin bs=102400 > 120 MB/s <+++ > > time tar -xf /tmp/jpgraph-3.5.0b1.tar > real4m20.355s <=== > > time cp -a /tmp/jpgraph-3.5.0b1 /data/tmp > real6m8.394s > ... The results marked (<===, <+++) show a regression for NFS v4 vice NFS v3, a decline of 100% for each test case. I think you should let them know (BZ report) - the type of test performed would be of interest to them. I would suggest this as well: to test by eliminating a possible problem with network, you could perform NFS tests (as above) locally (on your client machine in question), that is, install NFS server and client software locally, export some dir locally, and mount the exported dir locally. That is, you would mostly test the NFS software only. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora14: Very very slow NFS write performance
Terry Barnaby beam.ltd.uk> writes: > ... > Anyway a test with local nfs: > time tar -xf /tmp/jpgraph-3.5.0b1.tar > real3m27.320s > ... Do it for both, NFS v3 and v4. It may provide an additional regression case. Filing BZ report will get you some answer from an NFS dev. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Comparitive Desktop Environments
Aaron Konstam sbcglobal.net> writes: > ... > So this morning I tried to get around in LXDE and KDE. I found I quickly > got lost in both. Will try to help :-) > In LXDE I could not get LXTerm (I think that its name) > to be anything but transparent, rather than black letters on a white > background. LXTerminal. start it Edit-Preferences click Background, move Opacity slider to the very right (transparency OFF) select Color name for your background OK click Foreground select Color name for your foreground OK OK Yes, the trick with Opacity caused me some grief too ... > I could never get any of the Background Images displayed in > the Background program to actually appear as backgrounds. Fedora menu - Preferences - Desktop Yes, there seems to be a problem (here in F15) - file BZ report. > I managed to > put Xterm in the Application menu but I could not get it as an option > in a panel. Right click on panel select Add/Remove Panel Items on Panel Applets on right side press Add from Add Plugin To Panel scroll down, select Application Launch Bar, press Add, this placed it at bottom of Panel Applets select Application Launch Bar, on right side press Edit, which should open a window for Applications selections in available applications expand System Tools, click on XTerm, press Add, and this will place XTerm in Applications you can repeat the above step for other apps as well, and order them with Up and Down then click Close to close Applications Selections window back to Panel Preferences, click on Application Launch Bar, and click on Up as many time as you wish to move it to a desired position, e.g. below Minimize All Windows click Close Your Application Launch Bar with XTerm should be on left of the panel. Btw, I believe it is very similar to XFCE. > The way to shut down was fairly well hidden. Click Fedora menu in left corner of the panel click Logout click Shutdown Why ? No problem. KDE ? I left it some 10 years or so ago (too resources hungry, too "heavy", too different soul). > ... > In each case, some time must be spent initially > to figure out how to do things. > ... Yes, it applies to every DE, but some are more intuitive than others. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Help with git and gitweb
Leonardo gmail.com> writes: > > hello everyone, > > i am using fedora 14 and trying to share git projects over http. > > to create the projects are quite easy, install gitweb too, > the problem is what to do on /etc/gitweb.conf and > /etc/httpd/conf.d/git.conf in order to point to a folder with some git > projects inside. > > any help is welcome. Search Google: /etc/gitweb.conf /etc/httpd/conf.d/git.conf e.g. How To: Install and Configure GitWeb http://gofedora.com/how-to-install-configure-gitweb/ JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
poll() returns even if there is data.
Mansuri, Wasim (NSN - IN/Bangalore nsn.com> writes: > > > I am trying to read some file using open and read system calls. > ... Hi, you are repeatedly posting to a wrong group - this is Fedora. Please find UNIX or Linux, system or application programming, your language (C, C++, etc) group. Otherwise you are making fool of yourself. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Firewall not getting displayed
Parshwa Murdia gmail.com> writes: > > I simply enabled the basic firewall. What exactly I did:- > > http://sites.google.com/site/indiadoor/firewall-enabled > ... > and then when I click to see the Firewall (from System -> > Administration -> Firewall and then providing the root credentials), > the only thing which appears is a box and above which is written > Firewall but in fact, nothing is getting displayed inside that but > only blank. > Hi, Read the instructions of the web site you cited above and check if the firewall has any rules stored: [r...@localhost ~]# cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables and [r...@localhost ~]# cat /etc/sysconfig/ip6tables Another option is to reinstall firewall and start from scratch (but then pay attention what you do next configuring it because the app may indeed have some bug to report). JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
