Re: unusual networking question - have DHCP assign the same IP to a computer, regardless of which ethernet port is used
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> I'm pretty sure this would work; we have done similar things at work:
host oddbox {
hardware ethernet C8:3A:35:DC:54:59;
fixed-address 192.168.1.12;
option host-name "oddbox";
}
host oddbox2 {
hardware ethernet 00:24:21:9A:6F:6C;
fixed-address 192.168.1.12;
option host-name "oddbox";
}
Two separate entries with different MACs and same fixed IP.
--Greg
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Re: Kernel installed in wrong location
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:54 PM, CLOSE Dave wrote: > Fedora 27 x86_64. When DNF installs a new kernel, it isn't going into > the right place (/boot) Just a wild-ass guess here, but how much free space do you have in the partition that contains /boot? --greg ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Where do I find this srpm?
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:22 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > BTW, in one of your posts you asked about a "workaround". I think what > you meant > was an alternative to MTP? This may or may not be related to the OP's issue, but for some reason, the simple-mtpfs package is not installed by default on Fedora. Without this, MTP doesn't work. With simple-mtpfs installed, I can use file browsers such as Nautilus to see the files on my relatively new (Galaxy S6) Android phone. On my ancient Amazon Kindle Fire HDX tablet, I have never been able to make file browsing work, but I have been able to copy books on and off the device using Calibre. --Greg ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: printer and Fedora support.
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > The HP all-in-one devices used to be pretty good about linux > support, but I don't know if that is true any longer. The hplip > package provided the support. This isn't any help for the OP who specified that he didn't want an inkjet or networked printer, but my relatively new HP-6968 all-in-one works quite well for printing, scanning and faxing with the stock hplip driver. I can't say that I've done careful checks to ensure that the colors match exactly, but I have checked to see that the photos printed from a Windows 10 system look identical to those from my Fedora system. --Greg ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Windows boot trashes grub
I have two identical Dell Latitude E7470 laptops. On each of them, when I got them I booted a Fedora Live USB stick, installed gparted, and used it to shrink down the Windows 10 partition to make room for Fedora. I have done this process on a lot of laptops going back a lot of years, and this is the first time I have seen this problem. On one of the laptops, as soon as I boot into Windows 10, I can no longer boot Linux. GRUB is somehow trashed and the only way to boot the system is to select "Windows Boot Manager" in the BIOS, which successfully boots Windows 10. The other laptop does not have this problem; I can boot Windows, then get the usual GRUB menu at the next boot and select either Windows or Fedora, and all is good. Has anyone ever seen this kind of problem before? Is there a way to recover GRUB? Last time this happened, I ended up having to completely reinstall Fedora to get the system back to dual boot. It has now happened again and I would like to avoid having to reinstall to recover. I would, of course, also like to prevent this from happening in the first place. The systems are both using EFI boot, without secureboot. Thanks for any insights, --Greg ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Make a systemd user service go away?
On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 5:55 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > So I have to ask, is there some "official" way to make > systemd user services go away and stop bothering me? > # systemctl stop # systemctl mask Unfortunately, "disable" only removes the service from the auto-start-at-boot list, it doesn't prevent some other application from starting it. To be SURE a service cannot be started, mask it. --Greg ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 28 Upgrade Still Boots Fedora 27 Kernel
I have been burned by this before: check in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf to make sure you are not excluding kernel packages from being updated. That exclusion would prevent an update even across a system-upgrade. --Greg On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:54 PM David Dembrow wrote: > I am going through the fedora 27 to fedora 28 upgrade. It appeared to > go very well. Then I noticed it still boots with a fedora 27 kernel. > Checking for updates checks the fedora 28 repository. > > Is this a problem I should try to fix or will the fedora 28 kernel find > its way in with a future update? > > Thanks, > > ---d.dembrow > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/UMOTVDCU55OK7I35IFYYMT2QWCG5VFUY/ > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/LBSBUOYEVVEEWSSSBKDA6PP6SLUWQ3XU/
Re: EFI
It is possible to get yourself in trouble if you have more than one EFI partition. My two were on the same drive; I don't know if that makes a difference. But what happened to me was, after the first time I booted Windows 10 after installing Fedora, I could no longer boot Linux, it just went straight to the Windows boot manager without ever showing the GRUB screen. It was a royal pain. I have since learned more about how EFI boot works so that I might now be able to recover from this situation, but at the time, it required a complete reinstall of Fedora to get around the issue. --Greg On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:35 AM Rick Stevens wrote: > On 07/18/2018 05:06 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 07/18/2018 02:53 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > >> I have a disk where I wish to have 2 OS on 2 different partitions > >> Do I need 2 EFI System Partition (Boot). I guess that one is enough. > >> I just want to be sure. > > > > You only need one. That's one of the big benefits of EFI. > > Correct. You only need _one_. You can have more if you wish. I have a > system with three drives, each with an EFI boot partition. Overkill, but > one of the drives is my main Fedora system, one has Winblows on it and > the third is for experimental purposes. I wish to keep this stuff > separate as much as possible. > -- > - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - > - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - > -- > - BASIC is the Computer Science version of `Scientific Creationism' - > -- > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/UXPWPR7V7XALOS3IQVJOTY5MFJC2P7CW/ > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/GFOVQNBSYAUTKEJLXARKXMEGJ4AWIVZR/
Re: EFI
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:16 PM Rick Stevens wrote: > On 07/19/2018 10:38 AM, Greg Woods wrote: > what happened to me was, after the first time I booted > > Windows 10 after installing Fedora, I could no longer boot Linux > > I expect that was Microsoft forcing the EFI "BootOrder' to give them > preference (boot us first if we're installed) and possibly setting the > "Timeout" to zero so the EFI selection screen isn't shown. They're > famous for that. > Yes, it doesn't surprise me to hear that. But I did think of going into the EFI boot screens and selecting the Fedora partition, and it still wouldn't load GRUB. Since I can't go back to what it looked like then, it remains unclear as to exactly what happened. > > Reinstalling Fedora sets the parameters to a more reasonable choice. The > rule I've always used (even in the MBR days) is "if you must have > Windows on your machine coexisting with some other OS, you need to > install Windows first, reserving space for your other OS, then install > the second OS. Windows will absolutely try to take over the boot order." > True. In this case the laptop came with Windows 10 already installed, so I did something I have done many times before, which was to use gparted to shrink down the Windows partition to make room for Linux, then installed Fedora on the remaining space. The error I made on this machine was to not specify that /boot/efi should mount on the existing Windows EFI partition, instead allowing the installer to create a new one. All looked good; when I booted, I got the GRUB screen that included Windows as a selection, and I was able to boot Fedora just fine at that point. The problem came after the first time I booted Windows 10 after installing Fedora; from that point on, GRUB no longer was shown, it just went straight into the Windows boot manager. Even selecting the Fedora partition from the EFI boot screen would fail to load GRUB. The system was hosed for anything but Windows. My guess is, I could have booted from a live USB stick, copied the /boot/efi/EFI/fedora directory to the same location on the Windows EFI partition, and run grub-install with the correct incantation to re-create the GRUB image, and I could have gotten it to work without having to use the nuclear option of reinstalling Fedora. The point, of course, was just to show that you can hose yourself trying to run with multiple EFI partitions. That doesn't mean it can't be done, but you really have to know what you are doing, and I didn't. --Greg ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/DDZKLYMCIXV3C4JB7FMRNI6W2XJ4QIDO/
Re: Slow performance when overwriting disk file (was Re: Slow performance when redirecting stdout to an existing disk file)
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:37 PM Dave Ulrick wrote: > Update: > > > $ time cat infile >outfile > > > > If 'infile' is on the order of 140 MB, 'time' might show something as > low as: > > > > real 0m0.146s > > user 0m0.000s > > sys 0m0.109s > > CPU % 74.29 > > > > or as high as: > > > > real 0m0.328s > > user 0m0.000s > > sys 0m0.109s > > CPU % 33.31 > > > > If 'outfile' doesn't exist, the 'cat' runs much more quickly: > > > > real 0m0.082s > > user 0m0.000s > > sys 0m0.081s > > CPU % 99.77 > > When an existing file is truncated, which the shell does when you use stdout redirection, all the blocks that were in it have to be moved to the file system's free block list. Exactly what happens there may depend on what kind of file system you are using, but it is extra work that doesn't have to be done if you are creating a new file, which may explain the time difference. --Greg ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
number of lines on console
I've spent about an hour searching without finding an answer. Is there any way from the kernel command line (i.e. by editing the GRUB entry) to control the number of lines on the console? I installed Fedora 39 on a USB stick so that I can use it to boot other computers to diagnose problems with the installed OS. The problem is that when it is booting, the latest console messages are off the bottom of the screen so that I can't see what it's doing (this is on a standard 1920x1080 HD monitor in this case). If the boot hangs, then of course the last few messages are the crucial ones to see. Once the machine is booted, of course, then I can log in and use tools such as "stty" to set the number of rows and cure this problem, but I need something that will take effect during system startup before the login prompt comes up. Thank you, --Greg -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: number of lines on console
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 10:12 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > > The problem is that when it is booting, the latest console messages are > off the bottom of the screen so that I can't see what it's doing > > How does that look exactly? I mean how are you sure there are some > more lines you can't see ? > Do you see the last line like a cut in half suggesting there's more > off-screen ? > Yes, for one thing. Also there are times when it has stopped outputting messages, then later starts again and a message goes by that tells me what was hanging it up (certain things, like updating kernel packages, are slow, so when that message goes by, I can guess that this is what it was doing when the output temporarily stopped). If the Full HD resolution isn't working well in your setup, you may > try to force a lower resolution by trying out 'video=1024x768' or > 'vga=0x318' kernel parameters. > I have tried a couple of different vga values but it has no apparent effect; I probably just haven't hit on the right one yet. I was kind of hoping someone here would have already seen this problem and have some specific values to try. Once the current system-upgrade that is in progress finishes, I'll try the ones you list here. --Greg -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: number of lines on console
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 2:11 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > The problem is that when it is booting, > the latest console messages are off the bottom of the screen so that I > > can't see what it's doing (this is on a standard 1920x1080 HD monitor in > > this case). If the boot hangs, then of course the last few messages are > > the crucial ones to see. > > That shouldn't be possible. The number of lines is directly related to > the screen resolution. The only way I can see this happening is if it > thinks there's another monitor attached with a higher resolution. Do > you see any information about the display resolution in the logs? > This is likely the problem. The machine I'm working on is a laptop that has a 4K screen. The lid is closed so the 4K screen is not actually being used, and the laptop is connected to the monitor through a dock, and this is where I see the boot messages. I do this when doing console work because when the system boots on the 4K screen, the type face is too small for this old geezer to read. So I have verified that if I boot the Fedora USB stick on my desktop using the same monitor, the problem does not occur, and if I boot the stick on the laptop without the dock and with the lid open, aside from the fact that the text is too small to read on the 4K screen, the problem does not occur. When I boot this laptop from its own native OS rather than from the stick, I have kernel command line parameters (vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun32.psfu.gz SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun32.psfu.gz) that make the booting text larger so I can read it, and the problem also does not occur. It also makes the font larger that appears on the text consoles. This is not so great for booting from the stick though; I have a hard time entering these parameters correctly when editing a GRUB entry when I cannot check what I am typing. I also tried playing games with video= values, and it works while boot messages are printing, but once the login prompt comes up, the font is tiny again. I suppose there must be a solution to this somewhere but I have already spent enough time on it. I was just hoping to learn a little something about the boot process. --Greg -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: number of lines on console
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 7:06 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 6/6/24 5:00 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > > I hve kernel command line parameters > (vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun32.psfu.gz > > SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun32.psfu.gz) that make the booting text larger so > > I can read it, and the problem also does not occur > > You could edit the grub entry on the USB stick from another computer to > add those options. > > Yes I could. But the point of having the stick is to be able to boot from it on any PC. I don't want to enter something that is specific to this laptop on the stick. --Greg -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: number of lines on console
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 8:24 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > You could add an extra entry to the boot menu. > That's a thought. Of course one of the reasons I wanted to learn more about the boot process is that it has changed so much since I was working as a sysadmin, now that I'm retired I haven't kept up with everything as well as I used to. So I have to admit that now, I don't even know how to do that. Something else I need to learn. --Greg -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Removing shutdown menu item
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 16:52 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 22:37 +, Troels Arvin wrote: > > > But I haven't found a way to remove the shutdown item from the panel's > > menu. How do I do this? > > gconf-editor - apps - gnome-power-manager I have been curious about this too, but I could not figure out how to find gconf-editor. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Burning DVD Videos
On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 12:47 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I'm sure MythTV on a spare box can do all this as well, there's > something to be said for special-purpose boxes in this sort of > situation. I'm open to persuasion however. MythTV is a large hairball to swallow. By far and away the most difficult home project I have ever done. Is it worth it? Yes, definitely. But only if you are going to use the DVR functionality it offers. Using MythTV just as a media player is definitely overkill. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: Do not mount CD/DVD when inserted into drive
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 21:12 +0200, Frank Elsner wrote: > a CD or DVD gets automatically mounted > when inserted into the cd/DVD drive. > Where can I disable this behavier? System -> Preferences -> File Management -> Media --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: Do not mount CD/DVD when inserted into drive
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 17:50 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > System -> Preferences -> File Management -> Media > > > Does this really work for you? It has in the past. I have only one system where I've done this, and that is my MythTV box (because having DVD's mount themselves interferes with MythTV's ability to play them). That machine is still running F10 so I confess I haven't tried this on more recent Fedoras. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: A question about yum.
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 10:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > we shouldn't forget the old concept of DWIM, > meaning Do What I Mean I prefer the more advanced DWISM (Do What I Should've Meant :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora as Xen/CentOS guest?
Is there a trick to getting Fedora to install as a Xen guest? I've got a CentOS 5.5 box and I have tried to create a Fedora VM (starting with F11, then F12, then F13) and I run into the same problem every time: it starts booting from the install DVD (or ISO image, same thing), gets partway through the boot, and hangs. It hangs right after printing messages about cgroups. Yes, I know Xen is older technology (we have a lot invested in our existing installation), CentOS is not Fedora, this question maybe should be asked on a CentOS or Xen list, etc. I'm just wondering if anyone here has successfully done this. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade to Fedora13 from Fedora 8
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 13:46 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Surely virtually everyone nowadays has enough room on their disks > for a spare partition to be reserved for a new Fedora version? This requires thinking of this in advance. I think most people have existing partitions that fill their entire drive. Only a fairly experienced geek would think "I need to leave some unallocated space so that I can create another partition later". So I suspect that, in most cases, the entire disk is already part of existing partitions, which means that creating a new partition would require shrinking or eliminating an existing one, which is difficult to do without rendering the current OS unusable. Even my own desktop has the disk completely allocated (although my server systems do have a spare partition for exactly this reason). I could probably play games with backup and restore to create free space, but this is a nontrivial exercise. What I usually do is create the new OS as a virtual machine. When I am satisfied that everything works, then I can do an in-place upgrade of my main OS. Works for me. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Skype
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 22:29 +0300, jarmo wrote: > I can install skype, but this newest version of it with my hw and > pulseaudio makes life unconfortable. You might try running it under "padsp" while pulseaudio is installed and running. You will need the pulseaudio-utils package to get padsp. Padsp is intended for old apps that are not compatible with pulseaudio. It intercepts the calls to the old sound driver and sends them to pulseaudio. It is used like this: $ padsp /path/to/skype --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 new install: Nothing on X screen
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 17:54 -0400, sean darcy wrote: > F13, new install over F12, but not an upgrade. > > It boots, X comes up, a blue wallpaper with some swirls, but no panels, > no icons on desktop. Nada. Are you using the same home directory you had under F12? If so, you might try creating a new account and logging into it to see if the same problem occurs. If not, then there is some incompatibility in your settings. I have had this happen. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 new install: Nothing on X screen
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 18:39 -0400, sean darcy wrote: > Nope. I created a new user on the install. Then you are not seeing the same issue I have seen. > In any case, it was all > reformatted. What sort of incompatibility? All the dot files and directories that define the settings for GNOME and everything else. I have seen some cases where an account that was configured for an older version would not work properly (icons or menus were missing, etc.) but a fresh account with default settings worked fine. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mounting KVM image
On Sat, 2010-06-12 at 00:43 +0300, kalinix wrote: > take a look here: > > > http://www.campworld.net/thewiki/pmwiki.php/Linux/DiskImagesHOWTO I got as far as mounting the first partition which is /boot. The second partition has LVM volumes on it. Is there any way to get at those? The LVM scanning commands don't find it even after I run losetup. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mounting KVM image
On Sat, 2010-06-12 at 17:53 +0300, kalinix wrote: > http://www.thegibson.org/blog/archives/467 Thanks, I'll take a look at that. > > It would be useful to post the layout of your hdd, though. This is a Xen image if that matters: # losetup /dev/loop0 test.img # fdisk -ul /dev/loop0 Disk /dev/loop0: 5242 MB, 524288 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 637 cylinders, total 1024 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/loop0p1 * 63 208844 104391 83 Linux /dev/loop0p2 20884510233404 5012280 8e Linux LVM I can lomount partition 1 and it is /boot. There aren't any such devices as /dev/loop0p1 and /dev/loop0p2, so I presume this is just something about how fdisk displays it. -- --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: yum-complete-transaction wants to remove 159 packages
On Sat, 2010-06-12 at 12:37 -0400, Mike Williams wrote: > Then after a very long list of packages it wants to remove including: > bash, yum-utils, and xorg-x11-drv-nouveau it says: > > Remove 159 Package(s) > > This sure seems like it will kill the system. Your instincts are good. I trashed my F12 laptop this way because I wasn't paying attention and let it run. I ended up having to do a fresh install of F13 and redoing all my local mods, it was a royal pain. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mounting KVM image
On Sat, 2010-06-12 at 17:53 +0300, kalinix wrote: > http://www.thegibson.org/blog/archives/467 Thank you, this worked. I couldn't do the "easy" way because the loop module on my systems does not have a max_part parameter and it does not create the /dev/loop0p* device nodes (it is CentOS 5 rather than Fedora which is why I haven't asked about this here before, but the subject came up and did lead to a solution for me; CentOS 5 is basically like a very old version of Fedora). But the offset method worked so that I could have the LVM partition directly on /dev/loop0, and then pvscan could find it. I did have to modify my filters in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf so that the loop devices would be scanned. What I really want this for is to be able to restore individual files from VM images. I back up my virtual machines with a script that pauses the VM, makes a copy of the disk image, resumes the VM, and moves the copy to our local mass storage device. Works great except that the only way to restore individual files from a backup image prior to this was to actually create a VM from the backup image and boot it. That involved a lot of manual labor. Works fine when we only have a few test VMs, but if we end up with dozens or hundreds of VMs in production, I am going to need something more automated. This can be scripted as I expect the offset is always going to be the same (or I could be clever and calculate it from the output of fdisk, then remount with offset). Even better, if we eventually do make the move from Xen to KVM, the same techniques should still work. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mounting KVM image
On Sat, 2010-06-12 at 19:11 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Greg, I'd be really interested to talk to you (offline if you like) > about whether libguestfs could meet your needs here. Possibly it could, but it is not an available package on CentOS. I am trying to do this with available tools so that I don't have to maintain anything on the host OS that is not available in the normal repos. The CLI method is a bit klunky, but I believe I understand it well enough to script it. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:20 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > In any case, I don't think the "hole" will cause much problems with Linux > based systems. When you read of the panic attacks people are having, it's > usually about Windows systems. Linux is vulnerable too, we should not be so complacent. Windows is, of course, always targeted first because of its ubiquitousness, and there are some design flaws in Windows (such as, the logged-in user often has too many privileges) that make it more vulnerable. But let's not kid ourselves and go around thinking we are invulnerable, because we're not. It would certainly be possible to exploit this vulnerability on Linux and do some sufficiently nasty stuff (such as turning your machine into a spam source) that wouldn't require getting root access. It is only a matter of time before the hackers turn their attention to Linux, particularly if they know that Linux users do not have an update path and are therefore likely to remain vulnerable. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 22:15 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > it's considerably harder simply because the system is designed, first and > foremost, from the ground up with security in mind. With Windows, security > seems to have been always an after thought, if thought about at all. > > In addition, Linux users tend to be more knowledgeable regarding the vagaries > of computers and computing, and take reasonable precautions against such > things. All of this is true, but I still think it would be wrong for us to get too complacent about it. As soon as somebody says "this won't be a problem on Linux", they may not be "taking reasonable precautions". Do you check out every YouTube video for badness before you view it? Does anyone actually do that? With the nature of this particular vulnerability, if you are still looking at Flash videos from potentially untrustworthy sources, then you are vulnerable even on Linux. I believe it is only a matter of (not much) time before Linux is targeted. In this case, there is no update path available for Linux users at the moment, so all of us who have installed the Adobe Flash plugin are vulnerable. The bad guys know this. The fact that Windows is also vulnerable until patched (possibly even more vulnerable) does not change this. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hibernate and resume
On Wed, 2010-06-16 at 02:15 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Can one place a script somewhere to be read on resumption from hibernation? > If so, where? /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d There are several already there, they are very similar to the /etc/rc.d/init.d scripts. I have a couple I use to do things like re-establish my IPSEC tunnel on resume, etc. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: problem booting windows on a flash stick via qemu
On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 07:19 -0700, JD wrote: > ages.) > > > I thought the windows HW wizard automatically detects new hardware > and proceeds to install the drivers for it. Under the "right" circumstances. > It's like taking your hard drive > and putting it into a different PC and booting it. I have had success doing this with Linux, but Windows always blue screens whenever I try this. I have never figured out whether this is because of all the anti-piracy crap or if it's just a bug. But I wouldn't count on the new hardware wizard magically fixing everything on a Windows system if you try to boot the same image with different hardware (virtual or physical). --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 12:33 -0700, JD wrote: > > On 06/25/2010 12:04 PM, Bill Crawford was caught red-handed while writing:: > > On 25 June 2010 19:38, JD wrote: > > > >> cd /var/lib > >> sudo tar cjf - rpm> rpm.tar.bz2 > >> sh: rpm.tar.bz2: cannot create [Permission denied] > sudo only runs the "tar" command; the redirect (>) is > > done by the shell, and since you aren't root, you can't write in > > /var/lib. The classic example to illustrate this is: $ cat a b > a This is supposed to append b to a, but what actually happens is that the redirection truncates a first, and you wind up with a copy of b in a and the original contents of a are lost (do not ask how I learned this; the answer is "the hard way" )-: $ cat b >> a is the right way to do that. In both of these cases, the problem is that the shell does the redirection first before executing the commands. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:46 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > I thought it was sufficient to look into the headers > of the offending email spammmers and add these respective > IP address and/or host names to the /etc/mail/access file, Attempting to block the sender addresses will never work because they can so easily be forged. Attempting to block IP addresses of spammers by hand will not work either. Spammers these days use botnets, networks of thousands of compromised boxes, so that their IP addresses change rapidly. By the time you discover and enter one of their IP's, they've already moved on to another one. What you need is a DNS-based block list which is maintained by people who are dedicated to keeping it up to date. This isn't perfect either but the reaction is far faster than you can ever do yourself. I use the Spamhaus XBL/SBL (www.spamhaus.org) for this both at work and at home; it catches 10 times more spams than our SpamAssassin-based content filters do. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: redirecting out of a command invoked by sudo fails
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:56 -0700, JD wrote: > > > As I have already answered, let'ts not beat a dead horse. > Issue already very well explained by Bill Crawford. > No need for any followups. No need to be so touchy. Sometimes messages cross in the mail. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 15:29 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> Are you talking about something like this from sendmail.mc:
>
> FEATURE(`dnsbl', `relays.ordb.org', `"Rejected due to Open Relay see
> http://www.ordb.org/lookup/?host="; $&{clientaddr} " for more
> information"')dnl
>
Yes, that is a DNS Block List (DNSBL). So is Spamhaus. There are a lot
of them out there.
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Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 12:48 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Are you saying you can implement spamhaus by a line in sendmail.mc ? I have avoided actually saying that because it has been years since I did anything with sendmail, I have been using postfix, so I cannot comment on sendmail syntax. However, since others have provided examples of using DNS block lists in sendmail in this thread, I am sure it is possible. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 22:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/26/2010 10:15 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I actually find SpamAssassin by itself is quite adequate, > > reducing spam to perhaps 5% of my email. > > But if adding SpamHaus improves even this > > I am more than willing to try it. > > > > > IMHO, it isn't worth the effort. Just another data point (which goes to show this depends a whole lot on your particular user base): both at work, where we serve 1200 local users and another 5000 or so who have relay addresses), and also at home where it is only my wife and me, the stats show that the SpamHaus SBL-XBL catches 90% of the spam before it ever reaches SpamAssassin, and without incurring the overhead of scanning it. And I have never had a docmented case of false positive attributable to our use of SpamHaus DNSBLs. For me, it most definitely *is* worth the effort. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 22:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > A while back I did some observations and found that greylisting was most > effective at cutting spam. I forgot to mention that we use greylisting too; I highly recommend this as well. It is difficult to tell how many greylisted messages were spams that never came in and how many were legit messages that were later retried. Messages that get blocked by a DNSBL never get far enough to be greylisted either (no point since we already know it's spam, why invite them to retry?) It should be noted that greylisting *will* cause some delays in legitimate messages, and the length of the delay is totally under the control of the sending server. Personally, I think any communication that can't tolerate a few minutes or even an hour delay should be sent by some medium other than e-mail (instant messaging, even a phone call), but that said, I do get a lot of complaints about delays caused by greylisting, so this should be borne in mind. Most people shut up when I offer to turn if off for them so they can instantly receive all their spam :-) --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Sendmail: How does one blacklist annoying spammers?
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 08:24 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > A well written greylisting milter will utilize a database to maintain a > list of sending MTAs that have retried. Of course. However, many large sites (including ours, which is only medium sized) have multiple IP addresses that send out mail, which results in the same sender getting greylisted multiple times. > Additionally, the good milters > will have the ability to specify whitelists and blacklists. Specifying them is one thing, maintaining them is another. Static blacklists are useless for the reasons already stated (the sending IP addresses of the spammers change too rapidly). White lists could be (and are) used, but until someone actually has a problem, you can't know what has to be whitelisted. In the several years we have been using greylisting, only once have I actually had to whitelist a sender (because it was some graduate student in Italy using a homegrown mail sender that didn't have retry capability; the scientist here is not interested in hearing about how the sender is violating several RFCs )-: At any rate, the point is that greylisting *does* cause *some* delays. I am NOT saying it shouldn't be used, in fact quite the opposite. I *am* saying that someone looking to implement greylisting should be aware that it will cause some legitimate mail to be delayed. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Locking Network printer to 12.168.1.99
On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 14:19 -0400, Jim wrote: > > Everytime I turn the printer off, then on Router DHCP will reassign > 1.100 or 101. This has to be set in the router's configuration. Most routers have a web page you can go to for configuration. You would need to set the MAC address of the printer to be assigned a static IP address, in the router's DHCP configuration. Consult the manual that came with your router or Google for it. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
Clearly, these are religious issues. Whether a list should set replies to go to the list or to the original poster, whether postings from non-members should be accepted, etc. are debated ad nauseum. You can't come in here and state your opinions in these areas as though they were facts; they are not. They are opinions in an ongoing religious war. In the end, much time and effort on mailing lists is wasted arguing these points instead of talking about the topic of the mailing list. And those of us here on the list can do nothing about it anyway. Only the list manager's opinion really counts, so if you want to make a serious argument about it, that's where it should be directed. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even from > one-post people That is an opinion, not a fact. I happen to believe that the nature of the post makes a difference as to whether it is beneficial to the community. As an example, someone coming in and doing nothing but bashing Fedora without offering any helpful suggestions as to how to improve it is not beneficial to the community (this is not a reference to you in any way, it is just an EXAMPLE to illustrate the point). But this is just MY personal opinion, and I don't run this list. > I wan't aware there's a religious war about this, The "right" way to run a mailing list has been a religious war on the Internet for at least 30 years now. In this case the term "religious war" means there is really no proven right answer and there are strongly held opinions on all sides. > And who is that? Do I need to subscribe to yet another mailing list to > contact him? If the list is listn...@server, the list owner is almost always listname-ow...@server, or users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org in this case. But if you write to them, be polite. This *is* a religious war that has been going on for decades, and the people who run the Fedora list do know what they are doing. I cannot speak for them as to whether they would be receptive to suggestions, but they probably have their own religious opinions, and I can be fairly sure that they won't be too receptive to someone who comes in and acts like he knows more about running lists than they do. Stating an opinion is one thing, doing it in a way that belittles anyone who doesn't agree is another. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 21:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > So you are saying that it's not proven that people that do only one > post can benefit the community? No, I'm saying that it's not proven that EVERY person that does only one post benefits the community. Not the same thing at all. The sad reality is that the vast majority of people that would want to do only one post are spammers. Requiring someone to be a subscriber is done mostly to deter spam. > Evidence? If there is such war there must be tons of it. Read the archives of just about any mailing list that has been around for longer than a month. Read the thread on this mailing list of which this message is a part. The evidence is easy to find. You may have the last word, I am done with this thread since it no longer (if it ever did) has anything to do with the topic of this mailing list. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:01 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: > I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based > PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. > > http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf > > Can anyone else ? It takes a while to load, but I have no problem loading that document with evince (known to Firefox as "Document Viewer") under F12. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: log messages F13
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 20:58 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > My /var/log/messages > > What can I do to do a daily clearout? man logrotate -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: A bit of a problem with a Linux/XP dual boot setup...
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 19:00 +0800, Dick Roark wrote: > title Windows XP > > root (hd1,2) [...] > /dev/sdb2 * 26 60802 488179650 7 HPFS/NTFS Looks like you have a "start count from 0 or 1" problem. fdisk starts with 1, grub starts with 0. So you need: root(hd1,1) ...in order to boot off sda2. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how to uninstall preload?
On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 10:21 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 07/20/2010 03:49 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > > I would imagine the "-y" would be rather dangerous, > > as "yum remove" often tries to remove many packages > > required by other applications. > > I don't think that's quite true. If you tell yum to remove a package, > it'll remove that package and any package that requires it. I believe what Timothy meant was something along the lines of what happens if you try to remove, say, xorg-x11-server-Xorg, which would probably result in the removal of every GUI application since they all depend on an X server. This is an obvious and therefore stupid example to illustrate the point, which is that it would be easy to attempt removing something that many other things depended on, and if you use the -y flag, many things you wanted to keep could be gone before you realized what was happening. That is why -y is dangerous. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Zen kernel, what are advantages if any?
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 12:53 -0800, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > I know from my own experience, that if I were in the middle of a big > coding project, and my eggs were served sunny side up at breakfast > rather than over easy, then my head would surely explode. > > I expect that the kernel.org developers all face much the same kind of > problem. I am not a kernel developer, but I know a little about this indirectly. Whether a project gets accepted into mainline depends on a lot of things, but one of the big ones is how intrusive it is. If it requires changes to many drivers and many places in the kernel, it is much more difficult to get it merged into mainline. This is why, for instance, the Xen hypervisor is still not part of the mainline even though it has been used in production in many places for years (and is officially supported in Red Hat Enterprise). Conversely, the KVM hypervisor is part of mainline already, even though (in my experience) it is not nearly as robust as Xen. But KVM is a much less intrusive set of patches so it was much easier to get it merged. --Greg --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PPTP VPN broken
If you really care enough about security to be using a VPN connection in the first place, you really don't want to use PPTP. It is riddled with security flaws (that have been very well known for more than a decade) to the point where it is only slightly better than sending data in the clear: http://www.schneier.com/pptp.html --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: PPTP VPN broken
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 11:30 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > it just happens to be mandated by the IT department I figured it was something like that, but I thought it was still important to point out the known weaknesses of PPTP so that someone else who happens on this thread doesn't decide that setting up PPTP would be a great thing to do --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] Deafening silence
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 13:10 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: > I guess the thread is still alive, no one has mentioned the premise for > Godwin's Law right? Not that I have seen. However, Godwin's Law only says that the probability of mentioning you-know-who increases the longer a discussion goes on. It isn't part of Godwin's Law that a discussion is over when that happens, or that a discussion is still useful even if that hasn't happened, but it's a good measuring stick. Personally, I think any useful discussion is over when the ad hominem attacks start (of which the premise for Godwin's Law is only one) and that has clearly already happened here. The discussion is now about the people involved instead of the original subject; that was really the point of Godwin's Law. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hibernate and OpenVPN
On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 00:15 +0100, Andras Simon wrote: > I've had problems with pm-hibernate on F12, but > pm-suspend works fine. > This is going to depend on a lot of factors, such as what motherboard/chipset you have, what software you are running, which kernel version you have, etc. Hibernate/suspend in Linux is a moving target. On my systems (one desktop and one laptop with up-to-date F12) both hibernate and suspend work quite well. I have another desktop at work with Ubuntu, and hibernate/suspend works quite well on that one too. Not all software recovers gracefully however. For example, I added a script that kills all ssh sessions on hibernate or suspend, because they never survive across a hibernate/suspend and then I have a bunch of dead windows that I have to manually close. Killing all ssh sessions on hibernate/suspend avoids having all the dead windows on wakeup. Related to the original topic, I use an ipsec-tools style VPN, and it recovers automatically on wakeup. It was a pain to get configured and working to start with, but once in place, it is virtually automatic using certificates to authenticate. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hibernate and OpenVPN
On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 21:43 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Greg Woods wrote: > > > Related to the original topic, I use an ipsec-tools style VPN, and it > > recovers automatically on wakeup. > > I'm not sure what this means. > What did you do, exactly? To fully answer this question would be a major research project, since it has been an ongoing project for several years and I have never really documented everything I did. But basically it involves installing the ipsec-tools package, creating a racoon.conf file on each end, generating a cert for the server and client (and installing them on each side), and generating an appropriate config file for "setkey" to route traffic through the tunnel. Cert authentication can happen with no intervention, the tunnel is set up inside the kernel automatically. The racoon daemon is only for doing the session key negotiation (IKE). Complicating this has been dealing with one of the clients being behind a NAT box, the NAT box itself having a dynamic IP address, etc. But it works reliably and it comes up automatically on resume. You can start with the ipsec-tools home page at: http://ipsec-tools.sourceforge.net/ --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Rolling Release Model(s), Fedora Discussion
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 13:56 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > This is perhaps better accomplished by using a separate partition > for your data and system. IOW, perhaps you should put /home, and > perhaps /usr/local and /opt, on separate partitions. This is a good > idea, anyway, because then if you have the room, you can have two > "root" partitions, and upgrade/install on only one of them. If the > new system has some problems, then you can revert which one you boot. That's not quite as easy as it sounds, because when you log in to a new version of GNOME (and presumably KDE as well), it will alter the files in your home directory in ways that may be incompatible with going back to the old version. For that reason, I usually create a new user account to log in as under the new OS until I am sure it is working correctly, and only then log in with my normal account on the new OS. These days, I have had very good luck with just doing an in-place upgrade, so that's what I usually do now. That worked with no issues when I went from F10 to F11, and again to go from F11 to F12. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Rolling Release Model(s), Fedora Discussion
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 14:27 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Provided the /boot partition was big enough, yes. The default disk > partitioning left the /boot partition just a tad too small for many > people to use yum to upgrade. I didn't use yum, I booted off the new DVD and did an upgrade from there. I never ran into the "/boot too small" issue. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Recompiling VirtualBox kernel module [FAILED]
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 15:34 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > Im curious why you use virtualbox and not kvm/libvirt/virt-manager that are > included by default in fedora? Im just trying to work out what is lacking in > the default offerings that you go to a third party. I can't speak for the original poster, but for me, KVM is buggy, and doesn't work at all without hardware virtualization. On my Pentium 4 dual core desktop, KVM is so slow that it's useless. VirtualBox performs quite well. At work I have a Core Duo desktop, and KVM performs well there but it crashes. If I leave my VM turned on overnight, in the morning as soon as I do a couple of things in the VM, it suddenly crashes down to the "Guest not running" screen and I have to reboot. Xen on the other hand runs multiple VM's rock solid. As far as I can see, KVM is not yet ready for prime time, although others have reported success with it. YMMV. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Recompiling VirtualBox kernel module [FAILED]
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 08:15 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > what do you get for "cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep svm" what model cpus do you > have? No output at all. Dual core Pentium 4: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2180 @ 2.00GHz > it seems vmware and virtual box regularly > break because there kernel modules don't build and you are left on your own > to fix it. There are definite advantages to using things that are part of the mainline kernel. When they work. For me, KVM often doesn't work, so I have to use something else. It's that simple. For what it's worth, Xen is supported by Red Hat in RHEL 5 (and therefore by CentOS 5 as well), despite not being part of mainline. VirtualBox is of course "on your own", but I have never had a problem getting the kernel modules to build. I *have* had that problem with VMware which, along with the $300 price tag for VMware Workstation, was the reason for switching to VirtualBox in the first place. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Recompiling VirtualBox kernel module [FAILED]
On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 11:14 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > its a amd specific flag that signifies hardware virtualisation. intels is > vmx so > you would run "cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep vmx" if you get a result you have > hardware virtulaisation in your cpu. it could still be disabled in the bios. Believe me, I have already been through all this. The Pentium 4 does not have hardware virtualization. > what parts of it don't work? I already explained this. On the Pentium 4, which does not have hardware virtualization, KVM is so slow that it is unusable (it takes 10 minutes to boot a Windows XP VM). Therefore I use VirtualBox instead. On the Core Duo at work, which does have hardware virtualization, KVM performance is good, but the VM crashes as soon as I access it in the morning if it is left idle overnight, and I have to reboot the VM. This is fine for a Windows XP VM that I use just so that I can run a couple of required proprietary applications at work; usually I remember to hibernate it before I go home, and it restores just fine. So I continue to use KVM on my work desktop. But this would not be acceptable in high availability situations, so I use Xen to run production VM servers. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: /dev/dsp
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 17:47 +0200, Adel ESSAFI wrote: > [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file > or directory Have you tried running the application under "padsp"? This sounds like an old-style application that is trying to access /dev/dsp directly, but that is no longer supported. "padsp" is a way to run old OSS applications under PulseAudio. It has worked for me for some old Loki games that I still like to play now and then. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] Deafening silence
On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 12:22 -0700, Wayne Feick wrote: > I've finally given up on Evolution and moved back to Thunderbird. Please note here that I am not attempting to deny that any of the problems you are having are real. I am just providing another data point. > Using an LDAP server consistently causes lockups. I use an LDAP server and I have never seen this happen. I have been using Evolution as my e-mail client since it became the default in Fedora (at least 4 or 5 releases ago I think). I do use the Palm sync capabilities; that seems to mostly work well as long as I only sync in one direction. As soon as I try syncing both ways, I end up with duplicated tasks, memos, and contacts that are a real pain to remove. I expect this happens in the lower level gpilot software rather than in Evolution itself, but I don't know that. I don't connect to any other calendar servers with Evolution, nor do I have any need to connect to Exchange, nor have I ever filed a bug against Evolution, so I cannot comment on those. I have not noticed Evolution trying to index everything on startup, but I have heard complaints about Thunderbird 3 doing this. I think Evolution has definitely gotten better since I started using it. I used to see it crash suddenly. I still have that happen but only once in a great while now. It used to have issues with it continuing to show me that there were messages in a folder when in fact it was empty. This too has been largely fixed in my experience. But in the end, it's always "use whatever works for you". --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] Deafening silence (Evolution comments)
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 10:03 -0700, Wayne Feick wrote:
>
> One thing I have seen it do, however, is get its caches confused and
> refuse to show new mail.
I have never seen that in many years of using Evolution.
> On the calendaring side, on a number of occasions the Palm sync got
> messed up and duplicated all of my calendar events. For a while, each
> time I sync'd it would double the duplicates, causing 1, then 2, then 4,
> then 8 copies of each event. That was a royal pain to undo.
I have definitely seen this. It is so bad that I cannot use my Linux box
as my primary base for my Palm. I have only gotten syncing to work
reliably if I do it only in one direction, so I use a Windows VM as the
master, and sync the Palm onto Linux one way ("Copy from PDA"). This one
is REALLY annoying and it has been there through several Fedora
releases.
However, I doubt if this is an Evolution bug, it is more likely a bug in
gpilotd or lower level pilot-link stuff, which means any other high
level user interface program that uses the same lower level backing
software will probably exhibit the same thing.
--Greg
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Re: seeking resolution to Network Device difficulties
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 12:35 -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > In the router configuration, I see my old IP (192.168.1.64) and it is shown > as being linked to an HWAddresss (MAC Address, I guess, for my old ethernet). This is fairly common for DHCP servers. They store information about previous leases so that the same client can then get the same IP. If your router is a closed box, then nobody here is going to be able to tell you how to remove this old info from it. All this said, if having a known, static IP address is a real requirement, then you have two choices: 1) Configure a static IP address on your box instead of using DHCP. In the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 file, you will need to have BOOTPROTO=static and add IPADDR & NETMASK lines. Just make sure the IPADDR you choose is outside the range of any that will be assigned by your router. If you are using NetworkManager, then I believe you can (and should) configure the IP address through that. 2) Configure the DHCP server to assign a specific address to your specific MAC address. You will need to consult the manual for your router for information on how to do that. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: terminal colour
I do it by using xterm instead of gnome-terminal, which takes a "-bg" argument to specify the background color. I have a Connect folder on my desktop, and it contains a bunch of launchers that launch xterm with a -bg argument and a "-e ssh server" argument, so that I can have a different background color for each system I log in to. That's an option that works for me. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 Network Printer Problems
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 11:58 -0400, Bill wrote: > I'm running Fedora 15 on a Dell XPS m1530 laptop (192.168.2.2), which is > connected via modem/router to a network which includes my Dell Inspiron > 530 desktop (192.168.2.3), which is currently running Linux Mint 11. My > HP Officejet 5610 all-in-one is connected to the desktop via usb cable. > > I've used the Fedora 15 system-config-printer and cups browser interface > to attempt to get it working. Make sure you have the "hplip" package installed, then try using "hp-setup ". This solution only works for HP printers and I confess that I have not tried it on F15, but it has worked for me in the past. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: btrfs to be standard fs for Fedora 16?
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 12:03 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > I should probably mention that I am not a big LVM fan. I am not a big fan of having LVM be the default on a home desktop or laptop install. IMHO, in those cases it adds unneeded complexity. But it has a lot of uses on big servers. Being able to keep some spare disk space around and add it to whatever volume needs it (without having to dump, repartition, and restore) has saved my butt several times. I also like being able to use snapshots for backups; allows a clean backup to be taken without having to take the machine out of service (but I found out the hard way that snapshots only work if you have some free space left in the volume group; if you have --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 Network Printer Problems
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 14:56 -0400, Bill wrote: > Greg, I had hplip installed, and when I tried the setup command the > system replied that I needed to install hplip-gui. That is definitely not what happened when I did it. Try logging in to a text console where there is no display, and see if hp-setup will work in command-line mode. Even if it fails, you might get a more useful error message this way. Be sure to run it on the host that has the printer connected to it. Then you may also need to add the printer on the print client host. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 15 Network Printer Problems
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:19 -0400, Bill wrote: > Oh man! I was doing the hplip stuff on the laptop (guest), not the > desktop. Should have known that. I'll try again. Thanks. (..."the print > client host"; is that the laptop - the computer without the printer > connected?) Yes, that's what I meant. I think if you add the printer on the host that actually has the printer connected, CUPS will broadcast its presence on the net, but your firewall on the client host would have to be open to seeing these broadcasts (they come on UDP port 631). If you aren't listening to CUPS broadcasts, then you might also have to add the printer on the client laptop. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 21:47 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > * Account type: IMAP > * Incoming mail server: imap.ndsu.nodak.edu > * Incoming mail server encryption: SSL on port 993 Then you probably need to specify the incoming mail server as imap.nsdu.nodak.edu:993 . Also make sure that you specify SSL encryption. > * Outgoing mail server: smtp.ndsu.nodak.edu > * Outgoing mail server encryption: TLS on port 587 Outgoing server is then smtp.ndsu.nodak.edu:587 and you will need to check the "server requires authentication" box. Also make sure that you check TLS encryption. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Suspend Issues or Soft Kernel Locks and no wireless; which is worse?
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 23:24 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote: > KDE Power Management is set that if > I close my laptop lid, it should go into sleep mode. When I close the > lid, I give it a few seconds to enter sleep, and then I open it back > up. I'm met with a black screen Just to make sure we check the obvious and the stupid first: I also thought suspend was not working on my laptop, but I now find that if I press CTRL-ALT-F1 to switch to the main console after opening the lid, the password prompt screen appears, at which point I can type my password and the desktop appears. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Atheros AR9285 wireless & F15
I cannot get wireless to work on my new Sony VAIO VPCEG laptop. It has the ar9285 chip in it. I am thinking this is a bug in the driver and wondering what I should do about it. Before I file an official bug report (with Fedora?), I want to know if anybody else has a machine with this chip in it that is working. I'd like to rule out my own stupidity first. I can state the following: 1) There is a hardware wireless switch, and it is on 2) I have tried both 2.6.38 and 2.6.40 kernels. 3) I have tried the latest compat-wireless driver from kernel.org 4) iwconfig can see the wlan0 device, but ifconfig does not. 5) Clicking wireless within NetworkManager: a) Airplane Mode shows as ON b) Wireless shows as unavailable c) Clicking wireless briefly turns it on and Disconnected, but then it goes right back to Off/Unavailable d) Turning off Airplane Mode appears to work, but doesn't change anything in c) above. 6) The wireless works fine in Windows 7 What is *really* frustrating about this is that it briefly worked a couple of times. During the install, it showed a list of available wireless networks and I chose mine, and entered the password. Then once, after several reboots for various reasons, it actually came up and worked, but as soon as I rebooted again, I was back to the same old same old and it has not worked since. Does this sound like a kernel driver bug or something stupid I did? Would it make sense to file a bugzilla against the kernel? Any chance this would work if I installed F14 instead of F15? Obviously, without wireless, the laptop is a $600 paperweight. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Atheros AR9285 wireless & F15
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 12:26 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > I cannot get wireless to work on my new Sony VAIO VPCEG laptop. It has > the ar9285 chip in it. After screwing around with this for a day, I finally figured out what is going on. For some reason, it was also loading the acer_wmi module, a driver for a different type of wireless chip, and this was screwing things up. As soon as I did "modprobe -r acer_wmi", then everything worked. I just needed to blacklist this module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, and now the Atheros chip is working even after a reboot. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Evolution: get rid of Junk buttons?
Is there any way to remove the Junk/Not Junk buttons from the top panel in Evolution? I do not use these filters (I have others) and since the junk button is right next to the delete button, I am forever hitting the wrong one, then I have to go to the junk folder, unjunk the message, remember which folder it would have gone back to, go back to that folderk, THEN finally delete it. It is a colossal pain and I would just like to remove the button that causes nothing but grief (for me). --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution: get rid of Junk buttons?
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 21:11 +0930, Tim wrote: > Did you try a Google search? customize Evolution toolbar I always try to find it myself first, but I'm not the greatest Googler. In this case I did not know that was called the 'toolbar' so I didn't know exactly what to look for. I did modify /usr/share/evolution/2.28/ui/evolution-mail-message.xml and comment out the definitions of the Junk and NotJunk buttons, and it worked like a champ. I did save a copy of my changed file since it is likely that the next update will override my changes. Since I am the only user on my desktop systems, it should be no problem just changing it system wide. Thanks for the help! --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: touchpad issue
On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 12:14 -0400, PaulCartwright wrote: > I'm running fedora 13, and and on my laptop, I have a synaptic > touchpad. When I am moving the cursor around, I used to be able to TAP > the pad to make it do the same as a left-double-click. I can't figure > out how to make it do that in fedora ( gnome).. Not sure what menu that > would be under... System -> Preferences -> Mouse . There is a "Touchpad" tab and you click the "Enable mouse clicks with touchpad" box to enable this behavior. --Greeg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13: services marked as disabled, are shown to be running.
On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 20:52 -0700, JD wrote: > Please, stop the noise! > I am sure there are people who will be tryinf this for themselves > and see that it is the case. There is a problem with system-config-services. > Enough from you. > If this is how you are going to treat people who try to help you, then nobody is going to want to help. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 07:12 +, JB wrote: > Aaron Konstam sbcglobal.net> writes: > > Which means to me that if you hibernate while in > > Linux it should come back to Linux. I actually find it useful that it does not, and I have been frustrated by the recent change in behavior. I used to be able to hibernate, then boot into Windows, then resume Linux from hibernation. This works because what hibernate actually does is save the RAM state to the swap space. As long as the contents of the swap space are not overwritten, it is possible to resume the hibernated image. Since Windows does not use the Linux swap space, it is theoretically possible to boot into Windows, then resume Linux later. This used to work, but now I find that when I have hibernated, it immediately starts booting Linux again and I am not given the chance to choose the boot option. If anyone knows of a way to restore the old behavior, I'd love to hear about it. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 11:36 -0500, Mikkel wrote: > Grub is a general purpose boot loader. It does not know how to check > if there is an OS hibernating. I should also add that if the BIOS > supports it, and Linux know how to use it, it will resume directly > from disk without Grub ever entering the picture. I will have to look in the BIOS and try to figure out which boot parameter controls this. Something definitely knows that the system has hibernated, because the immediate boot to Linux only happens after I have hibernated. Suspending is of course a different deal, since resume can only work with help from the BIOS. If a boot loader is loaded into memory, the suspended image would be overwritten. A hibernated image can be preserved even across booting an entirely different OS. > > With Windows, you normally have to set it up before you can use it. I think there has to be a hibernate partition. Windows doesn't normally have a swap partition the way Linux does, so Linux just uses the swap partition to store the hibernated image. If you have a Linux system without swap, you won't be able to hibernate. > I am not sure about Linux. I don't hibernate my systems often enough > to look into all the fancy options. The boot option is "resume=/dev/https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 16:59 +, JB wrote: > Now, to try to accommodate your idea, the obvious requirement would be to have > a private hibernation area/file (swap file ?) for each OS/distro/kernel's > machine state. Only the OS's that you care about hibernating. With just a Linux swap partition, it is possible to hibernate Linux, boot Windows, shut down Windows, then resume Linux. If it was desired to hibernate Windows too, then yes, Windows would need a place to store the hibernated image. Multiple versions of Linux can be hibernated simultaneously as well, as long as they each have their own separate swap partition. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 17:30 +, JB wrote: > But if you present a menu selection between one Linux (hibernated) and Win, > then > the user, immediatelly or after finishing with Win, may decide to NOT return > to > last hibernated Linux, but instead select another Linux menu item, Sorry for not being crystal clear. When I said "different versions of Linux", I should have said "different Linux distributions". I was thinking more along the lines of Ubuntu, Fedora, Gentoo, etc. installed on their own separate root partitions, not different kernel versions of the same distro. I have done things like this and had separate swap partitions for each distro and had them all hibernated at the same time. It works. I do realize that it is not practical to have a separate swap partition for every selectable kernel version, and selecting the wrong kernel could cause a hibernated image to not load and possibly be overwritten. A small risk, since I am the only "user" of my desktop system so I can reasonably count on this not happening, and even if the hibernated image is lost, the OS can still be booted up. I mainly use hibernate/suspend to save time and I know better than to leave editor sessions with critical files half-edited when hibernating, and so forth, so if a hibernated image is lost, or if the system fails to resume from suspend properly (which occasionally happens), all I lose is some time in having to log back in, fire up all my applications, etc. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: grub menu is automatically skipped
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 15:49 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Somewhere the point is missed. The whole point of hibernate is to be > able to return to the same operating system in the same state. So far, so good. > If you want to switch from Linux to Windows, restart does that. Yes, but I want to switch to Windows, and *then* return to Linux in the same state. It is possible to do this, I have done it in the past and it is quite a time saver, --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 06:54 -0500, Brian Millett wrote: > iommu=soft > > will get it going. The newer kernels (2.6.33.8-149.fc13.x86_64) Is this actually a 64-bit machine? So far I have not been able to get the x86+64 DVD to load. I get a blank screen right after the ISOLINUX title. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unable to Verify Sun Microsystems' (Bought over by Oracle) Java 6 Update 21 Plugin in Firefox 4.0 Beta 3 in Fedora 11 x86_64 64-bit Linux Operating System
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:12 +0800, Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore wrote: > g, > > I am not a spammer. Yes, you are. You have opsted your "open letter" to many places that have nothing whatever to do with the topic, in order to promote your own needs regardless of whether it is appropriate for the list you post to. That is spam, period. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 06:54 -0500, Brian Millett wrote: > iommu=soft > > will get it going. This did not work for me. After it goes through all the daemon startups, it gives a screen with a lot of crazy colors across the top, and alt-F2 brings up a blank screen with a blinking cursor. The system will not respond to the keyboard other than to switch VTs. The only way to get the system to boot properly to graphical mode, that I have found, is to use the "nomodeset" boot parameter, but then it won't do anything better then 800x600. Even worse, it appears that the latest Linux version of the proprietary nvidia driver does not support this chip. It is listed as GT218 and not on the list of supported chips at the Nvidia web site. Trying to use this driver produces a message in Xorg.0.log that the NVIDIA chip could not be initialized. Has anyone actually gotten Fedora 13 with X to run properly on one of these things? Right now mine is a paperweight. I'd try Ubuntu but I have no reason to expect it would be any better; this doesn't really look like a Fedora-specific issue, although a workaround might be. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem
I never have been able to get Fedora 13 to work. There is something about the recent kernels; I can't get it to work at anywhere near the resolution it is capable of with either nouveau or the Nvidia proprietary driver. I did get Fedora 12 to work. It was a convoluted process. The installer worked OK using an external monitor. I never could get X to boot properly after that under nouveau, with either the LCD display or the external monitor. I got a blank screen on the LCD and a warning from the monitor that this timing could not be displayed. So what I ended up doing was booting non-graphically, installing the Nvidia driver, then starting X. With a bit of fiddling with nvidia-settings, I am *finally* able to use X at the full LCD resolution (1440x990). Using F12 instead of F13 is an acceptable workaround for now, but of course sooner or later I will need to move forward. I may actually give the F14 beta a try just to see if it will work. Does anyone know what it is about the recent kernels? nouveau won't work post-install even with "nomodeset", and the Nvidia driver will install but fails to initialize the chip when X is started (I just get an error to that effect in Xorg.0.log). --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 09:51 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > I never have been able to get Fedora 13 to work. I did finally get it installed, and it was a convoluted process :-) My first problem was that I was using what I thought was an install DVD, but turned out to be a live DVD. Also, these machines really are 64-bit machines; I was trying to install the i386 version (my understanding is that this should be possible but it isn't the best choice for these systems). The install DVD would boot fine and run through the install process, but the system would not boot graphically after the install, even using "nomodeset". What I had to do was boot non-graphically, install the NVIDIA driver, modify grub.conf to specify "rdblacklist=nouveau nomodeset", and then finally I could boot into the graphical login screen and everything mostly works. At some point I managed to totally bork the system where many services (including syslog) failed to start. This was immediately after I ran all 500 or so updates, but I had been making other changes as well so I'm not sure what really happened. I ended up doing a reinstall, this time specifying the Fedora and Fedora Update repositories. This produced a working system with all updates already in place. I say "mostly works" because I have not been able to get the screen to replicate on both the laptop display and the external monitor (NVIDIA calls this "TwinView" in one place in nvidia-settings, and "clones" in another). I fiddled with the nvidia-settings for quite a while and could never get this to work. On my previous Dell Latitude D520 laptop, it was possible to get the screens to replicate with the resolution of the laptop screen (1024x768). This problem could well be due to the fact that the resolution of this display is 1440x990, which may not be natively supported by either of the external monitors I have tried to use. At some point I will try reducing the laptop display resolution to 1024x768 and seeing if it will replicate the screens then (I probably wouldn't choose to use it in that mode but it would be interesting to know if it would work, could be useful for presentations with projectors). Right now it does work with separate screens, but this mode requires me to be able to see the laptop display, as that is the only place that I can start applications (I have yet to figure out how to create a GNOME panel on the external monitor X screen), Once started, the window can be dragged over to the external monitor screen. This works, but it's painful to use, at least for me. As an aside, the screens do replicate just fine under Windows 7. I suspect the Dell-provided W7 driver is doing some scaling for the external display that the nvidia Linux driver doesn't. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.PAE sleeps NOT
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 08:37 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > The newly-released kernel, 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.PAE, wakes up a few > seconds after being asked to sleep. For the record, it works fine with this kernel on my Dell E6410 (see the thread on this system for all the fun I've had with this). So it must be a hardware-specific issue. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
gnome/metacity preferences
What happened to what used to be under System -> Preferences -> Windows? Documented here: http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/2.27/prefs-windows.html.en I want to be able to set it so that windows automatically focus when the mouse enters them, but under F13 I cannot find this setting anywhere. I've got two F13 laptops, one was upgraded from older versions, the other had a fresh install. One of them works the way I want, the fresh install one doesn't, which means there has to be some preference somewhere in my home directory that controls this, so I'm hoping somebody can point me to the menu I can't find, a config file that I can edit, or a package I am missing. Thanks, --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: gnome/metacity preferences
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 12:44 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > On 08/26/2010 12:24 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > > What happened to what used to be under System -> Preferences -> Windows? > > Documented here: > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/2.27/prefs-windows.html.en [...] > check and see if you have the control-center-extra package installed. I didn't. I installed it, and now the setting is there! Thanks much. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Easier Dual Boot Install For Fedora 14?
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 07:21 -0400, Jesse Palser wrote: > Can the dev team make it easier to install Fedora 14 > when Windows is already installed on the same hard drive? For that, "gparted" is required. I don't know why Fedora doesn't have this but Ubuntu does. To get Fedora 13 working on my new laptop, I first booted the Ubuntu live CD, used gparted to shrink the Windows partition, then went on to install Fedora in the created free space. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
hibernate, then start Windows [SOLVED]
This is in regard to the issue that, when Linux is hibernated, upon reboot the thaw starts immediately and the grub menu is not presented. I am now absolutely convinced this is not a BIOS issue, it is a kernel or boot loader issue. I worked around it by adding a level of indirection to the boot process. To do this requires that you have at least one Linux partition that is not / or /boot. The basic idea is that Linux is booted with a chainloader, same as Windows. So the main grub menu gives you a choice of Linux or Windows, and both are implemented with "chainloader +1" stanzas. It works, but I don't recommend trying this unless you are fairly familiar with how the boot loader works, and are comfortable reinstalling the boot loader from a rescue CD/DVD if something goes wrong. The high-level instructions go like this: 1) In your extra Linux partition, create "boot" and "boot/grub" directories. 2) Copy the contents of /boot/grub to this new grub directory. 3) Edit the boot/grub/grub.conf file in this new directory so that Windows and Linux are presented as "chainloader +1" stanzas. 4) Install grub in the master boot record, pointing to this partition 5) Install grub in the first sector of your root partition, with the usual kernel choices. When this is done, at boot time you get a choice of Linux or Windows. If you select Linux, the second boot loader comes up with the usual choice of kernels. If Linux is hibernated, you can then boot and run Windows just fine (my Windows install doesn't have a hibernate option so I wasn't able to test hibernating Windows in this scenario). If you boot again and select Linux, instead of getting the choice of kernels, it immediately resumes the hibernated image. This is how I *want* it to work, so I have left it this way. Suppose you have this: /dev/sda1 Windows /dev/sda2 Linux root /dev/sda3 Linux /local Then /boot/grub gets copied to /local/boot/grub, then edit /local/boot/grub/grub.conf so that you have something like this: title Linux root (hd0,1) chainloader +1 title Windows root (hd0,0) chainloader +1 Then run: # grub [...] grub> root (hd0,2) grub> setup (hd0) This loads the master boot record that points to /dev/sda2, the chainloader configuration. Now edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and remove the Windows stanza (you don't need it here any more). Then run: # grub [...] grub> root (hd0,1) grub> setup (hd0,1) This loads grub into the first sector of the Linux root partition, pointing at that partition and presenting the usual choice of kernels. This has worked great for me. I can now hibernate Linux, boot into Windows, and later resume from the hibernated Linux image. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 11:12 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 09:51 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > > I never have been able to get Fedora 13 to work. > > I did finally get it installed, and it was a convoluted process :-) > > I say "mostly works" because I have not been able to get the screen to > replicate on both the laptop display and the external monitor I kind of got this to work as well. The problem seems to be that my old laptop was 1024x768, and this resolution is natively supported by the external monitors I have. So there was never any rescaling going on within X, it was within the monitor hardware. The E6410 screen is 1440x990, a resolution that is not supported natively by either of my monitors (home or work), so I cannot use a cloned display at this resolution. At home, the monitor will support a 1400x1050 resolution, so if I manually set the external monitor to use this resolution (in nvidia-settings), I can then turn "clones" on and get a cloned display. At this resolution, it looks good on the monitor but the bottom of the display goes off the bottom edge of the laptop screen. This doesn't much matter because I normally only want to turn clone mode on when I am using the external monitor, and this will now work at 1400x1050, which is at least better than with my old laptop. The work monitor is older and suckier, so the best I can do cloned is 1024x768. The monitor is capable of 1920x1080, but it is limited in what other resolutions are natively supported. But by default the laptop screen will come up at full 1440x990 resolution, and I then just have to fire up nvidia-settings to set up the external monitor. It is annoying that it won't go into cloned mode automatically like it did before, but unless I can find a monitor that supports 1440x990 natively, I'm probably stuck with it this way. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hard disk trouble
On Fri, 2010-09-03 at 20:27 +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > > scsi8 : usb-storage 1-2:1.0 > > scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB TO I DE/SATA Device 0041 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 > > sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0 > > sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI disk Looks like it is sdc, not sdb. What does "fdisk -l /dev/sdc" show? --greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 00:40 +0930, Tim wrote: > No. I'm talking about giving someone a file, not access to your space. One reason that "chown" is only allowed to the root user is that users have used this to get around disk quotas. Chown the file to someone else and it doesn't count against your quota. I would bet there are ways that chown could be exploited to gain access to another user's account too. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: kernel update breaks virtualbox
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 18:01 +0200, Walter Cazzola wrote: > Unfortunately the last two kernel upgrades (2.6.34.6-54 and 2.6.34.7-56) > didn't correspond to an upgrade of the kernel modules necessary by > virtualbox (vboxdrv, vboxnetflt, and vboxnetadp); this impedes the > normal behavior of virtualbox. Did you try running "service vboxdrv setup"? That should cause it to build kernel modules for the running kernel. I have to do this every time I do a kernel update. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Desktop right-click menu
Is there any way to modify the menu that comes up when you right click on the desktop? I would like to add an item. What I need is a way to invoke nvidia-settings from a blank desktop. This comes up on my new laptop. The LCD screen resolution is 1440x990, very nice but that resolution isn't supported by any of the monitors I connect it to, so it comes up in separate screen mode and the monitor screen is a blank desktop. I would like to be able to invoke nvidia-settings from there, without having to open the laptop lid and use that screen. Once I have nvidia-settings running, I can click a couple of buttons to change it to "clone" mode and use a supported resolution, which will give me access to the real desktop on the external monitor. Unfortunately the resolutions supported by the various monitors are not the same, so just hard-coding a resolution into Xorg.conf isn't a good option. I also want the laptop screen to come up in its maximum resolution by default for the cases where it is NOT plugged in to an external monitor, so programming a low resolution that would be supported by any monitor is also not a good option. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Desktop right-click menu
On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 08:55 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > If you are using XFCE then you can have the entire Fedora menu on your > context menu. Sorry about that, I should have mentioned that I am using GNOME. > But if you are not, then how about using the run dialog > (Alt+F2)? That works reasonably well, I didn't know about ALT-F2. Thanks for the tip. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: software RAID info
On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 17:44 +0100, Aaron Gray wrote: > Hi, > > > How do I interrogate the software RAID system, to get info like RAID > type and sizes. # cat /proc/mdstat # man mdadm --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
