include unicode chars in TeX/LaTeX documents

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow fedora users,

In including a soccer ball character in Unicode, I have found 

https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/26bd/index.htm

And it works.  I try to include in latex document and the character does not 
show up.  I have tried different variations 
after \documentclass{article}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

And none seem to work.  Is there an easy way to include Unicode chars in latex.

Best Regards,


Antonio

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Re: include unicode chars in TeX/LaTeX documents

[Antonio Olivares]

   On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:04:26 AM CDT, François Patte 
 wrote:  
 
 Le 19/03/2018 à 15:12, Antonio Olivares a écrit :
> Dear fellow fedora users,
> 
> In including a soccer ball character in Unicode, I have found
> 
> https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/26bd/index.htm
> 
> And it works.  I try to include in latex document and the character does
> not show up.  I have tried different variations
> after \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
> 
> And none seem to work.  Is there an easy way to include Unicode chars in
> latex.

use xelatex


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How do I invoke it?  I have texlive 2017 full scheme installed.  I just use old 
latex+dvips+ps2pdf to create documents.  
Best Regards,

Antonio 

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Re: include unicode chars in TeX/LaTeX documents

[Antonio Olivares]

 

On Monday, March 19, 2018, 12:05:06 PM CDT, Andras Simon  
wrote:  
 
 2018-03-19 17:01 GMT+01:00, Antonio Olivares :
>    On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:04:26 AM CDT, François Patte
>  wrote:
>
>  Le 19/03/2018 à 15:12, Antonio Olivares a écrit :
>> Dear fellow fedora users,
>>
>> In including a soccer ball character in Unicode, I have found
>>
>> https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/26bd/index.htm
>>
>> And it works.  I try to include in latex document and the character does
>> not show up.  I have tried different variations
>> after \documentclass{article}
>> \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
>>
>> And none seem to work.  Is there an easy way to include Unicode chars in
>> latex.
>
> use xelatex
>
[...]
>
> How do I invoke it?  I have texlive 2017 full scheme installed.  I just use
> old latex+dvips+ps2pdf to create documents.

Invoking it is not the problem (just say 'xelatex yourtexfile.tex').
But I'd be surprised if this solved your problem. First, xelatex is
not exactly tex, so you'll probably have to change a few things at
least in the preamble of your document. Second, you need a font with
the soccerball character in it. If I had this problem, I'd use google.

Andras
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I have an input file
$ cat test-sb.tex 
\documentclass{article}
%\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
%\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc}
\pagestyle{empty}

\begin{document}

\textSoccerBall â½

%\char"\u26bd"  %U+26BD
% ð
%â½
\end{document}

and I process it with 
$ xelatex test-sb,tex 
This is XeTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-0.8 (TeX Live 2017) (preloaded 
format=xelatex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./test-sb.tex
LaTeX2e <2017-04-15>
Babel <3.16> and hyphenation patterns for 84 language(s) loaded.
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2014/09/29 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty

Package inputenc Warning: inputenc package ignored with utf8 based engines.

) (./test-sb.aux)
! Undefined control sequence.l.9 \textSoccerBall
    â½
? ^[[?64;1;2;6;9;15;18;21;22c
Type  to proceed, S to scroll future error messages,
R to run without stopping, Q to run quietly,
I to insert something, E to edit your file,
1 or ... or 9 to ignore the next 1 to 9 tokens of input,
H for help, X to quit.
? 
[1] (./test-sb.aux) )
Output written on test-sb.pdf (1 page).
Transcript written on test-sb.log.
$ xpdf test-sb.pdf &


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Re: include unicode chars in TeX/LaTeX documents

[Antonio Olivares]

 

On Monday, March 19, 2018, 12:18:11 PM CDT, Antonio Olivares 
 wrote:  
 
  

On Monday, March 19, 2018, 12:05:06 PM CDT, Andras Simon  
wrote:  
 
 2018-03-19 17:01 GMT+01:00, Antonio Olivares :
>    On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:04:26 AM CDT, François Patte
>  wrote:
>
>  Le 19/03/2018 à 15:12, Antonio Olivares a écrit :
>> Dear fellow fedora users,
>>
>> In including a soccer ball character in Unicode, I have found
>>
>> https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/26bd/index.htm
>>
>> And it works.  I try to include in latex document and the character does
>> not show up.  I have tried different variations
>> after \documentclass{article}
>> \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
>>
>> And none seem to work.  Is there an easy way to include Unicode chars in
>> latex.
>
> use xelatex
>
[...]
>
> How do I invoke it?  I have texlive 2017 full scheme installed.  I just use
> old latex+dvips+ps2pdf to create documents.

Invoking it is not the problem (just say 'xelatex yourtexfile.tex').
But I'd be surprised if this solved your problem. First, xelatex is
not exactly tex, so you'll probably have to change a few things at
least in the preamble of your document. Second, you need a font with
the soccerball character in it. If I had this problem, I'd use google.

Andras
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I have an input file
$ cat test-sb.tex 
\documentclass{article}
%\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
%\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc}
\pagestyle{empty}

\begin{document}

\textSoccerBall â½

%\char"\u26bd"  %U+26BD
% ð
%â½
\end{document}

and I process it with 
$ xelatex test-sb,tex 
This is XeTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-0.8 (TeX Live 2017) (preloaded 
format=xelatex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./test-sb.tex
LaTeX2e <2017-04-15>
Babel <3.16> and hyphenation patterns for 84 language(s) loaded.
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2014/09/29 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty

Package inputenc Warning: inputenc package ignored with utf8 based engines.

) (./test-sb.aux)
! Undefined control sequence.l.9 \textSoccerBall
    â½
? ^[[?64;1;2;6;9;15;18;21;22c
Type  to proceed, S to scroll future error messages,
R to run without stopping, Q to run quietly,
I to insert something, E to edit your file,
1 or ... or 9 to ignore the next 1 to 9 tokens of input,
H for help, X to quit.
? 
[1] (./test-sb.aux) )
Output written on test-sb.pdf (1 page).
Transcript written on test-sb.log.
$ xpdf test-sb.pdf &

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above command did not show anything in pdf.  I saw the macro at 
http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/CTAN/macros/xetex/latex/xecjk/xunicode-symbols.pdf
in page 42 of above document.  Thank you for helping.
Best Regards,


Antonio


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Re: include unicode chars in TeX/LaTeX documents

[Antonio Olivares]

 

On Monday, March 19, 2018, 1:08:26 PM CDT, François Patte 
 wrote:  
 
 Le 19/03/2018 à 17:01, Antonio Olivares a écrit :
> On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:04:26 AM CDT, François Patte
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 19/03/2018 à 15:12, Antonio Olivares a écrit :
> 
>> Dear fellow fedora users,
>>
>> In including a soccer ball character in Unicode, I have found
>>
>> https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/26bd/index.htm
>>
>> And it works.  I try to include in latex document and the character does
>> not show up.  I have tried different variations
>> after \documentclass{article}
>> \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
>>
>> And none seem to work.  Is there an easy way to include Unicode chars in
>> latex.
> 
> 
> use xelatex
> 
> 
> -- 
> François Patte
> UFR de mathématiques et informatique
> Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145
> Université Paris Descartes
> 45, rue des Saints Pères
> F-75270 Paris Cedex 06
> Tél. +33 (0)6 7892 5822
> http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte
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> How do I invoke it? 
> I have texlive 2017 full scheme installed.  I just use old
> latex+dvips+ps2pdf to create documents. 
> 

Here is MWE:

\documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{article}

\usepackage{fontspec}
\newfontfamily{\uni}{Unifont}

\begin{document}

{\uni%
\symbol{"26BD}
}

\end{document}

This suppose that you have the unifont.ttf installed on your machine.

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Thanks for helping me.  I am close but I get error:
Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
<*> ...=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input Unifont
  
Transcript written on mfput.log.
grep: Unifont.log: No such file or directory
mktextfm: `mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input 
Unifont' failed to make Unifont.tfm.


!
! fontspec error: "font-not-found"
! 
! The font "Unifont" cannot be found.
! 
! See the fontspec documentation for further information.
! 
! For immediate help type H .
!...  
  
l.4 \newfontfamily{\uni}{Unifont}
     
?kpathsea: Running mktextfm Unifont
/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source 
abbreviation U for Unifont.
/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update 
/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/fonts/map/fontname/special.map?
mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; 
input Unifont
This is METAFONT, Version 2.7182818 (TeX Live 2017) (preloaded base=mf)


kpathsea: Running mktexmf Unifont
! I can't find file `Unifont'.
<*> ...=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input Unifont
  
Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
<*> ...=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input Unifont
  
Transcript written on mfput.log.
grep: Unifont.log: No such file or directory
mktextfm: `mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input 
Unifont' failed to make Unifont.tfm.



Best Regards,

Antonio

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Re: include unicode chars in TeX/LaTeX documents

[Antonio Olivares]

 

On Monday, March 19, 2018, 3:41:50 PM CDT, Andras Simon  
wrote:  
 
 2018-03-19 19:07 GMT+01:00, François Patte
:
>
> Here is MWE:
>
> \documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{article}
>
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \newfontfamily{\uni}{Unifont}
>
> \begin{document}
>
> {\uni%
> \symbol{"26BD}
> }
>
> \end{document}
>
> This suppose that you have the unifont.ttf installed on your machine.

Thanks! To the OP: you should

dnf install unifont-font

and then you can xelatex François' example.
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Thank you very much for your help!   That did the job.  Now my pdf a soccerball 
appears :)This way I can put which players have how many goals by putting 
soccerballs next to their names !
$ cat sb2.tex 
\documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{article}

\usepackage{fontspec}
\newfontfamily{\uni}{Unifont}

\begin{document}

{\uni%
\symbol{"26BD}
}

\end{document}$ xelatex sb2.tex 
This is XeTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-0.8 (TeX Live 2017) (preloaded 
format=xelatex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./sb2.tex
LaTeX2e <2017-04-15>
Babel <3.16> and hyphenation patterns for 84 language(s) loaded.
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2014/09/29 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size11.clo))
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/fontspec/fontspec.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xparse/xparse.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3kernel/expl3.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3kernel/expl3-code.tex)
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3kernel/l3xdvipdfmx.def)))
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/fontspec/fontspec-xetex.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/tuenc.def))
(/usr/local/texlive/2017/texmf-dist/tex/latex/fontspec/fontspec.cfg)))No file 
sb2.aux.
[1] (./sb2.aux) )
Output written on sb2.pdf (1 page).
Transcript written on sb2.log.
$
Best Regards,

Antonio 

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OT: vlookup/hlookup/countif help for a spreadsheet

[Antonio Olivares]

http://excel-example.com/templates/sport-tournament-template
Dear fellow fedora users,
I have a script that uses awk to generate reports for our soccer team.  This 
script was corrected by Jon LaBadie a very helpful person.  Unfortunately my 
colleagues do not have linux on their machines and they would like a 
spreadsheet to do the same so they can keep track of the season and to check 
how many PTS/GF/GA/DIF they have as a team.  I created one, but they do not 
understand it, uses decimals and integer part, and they get confused.  I am 
modifying the spreadsheet a bit to more as to what they want.  

However, I do not understand how to use countif/vlookup/hlookup to look for how 
many PTS they have, GF and GA so they can be tallied like SUMIF?  command.  If 
anyone is willing to help I can send you spreadsheet.  Last email I tried 
bounced because it had HTML and was big :(

for example   

PTS  TG  REG  OT  PKS :    PKS  OT  REG  TG                 
PTS
  3   TEAM1    2  1   1  0    2:1  0   0 1   1  
  TEAM3    0   
there are 10 games for each team and the team earns 3 PTS for a win in 
REGULATION, 2 PTS for a win in OT or PKS, 1 PT for a loss in OT/PKS and 0 PTS 
for a loss in REGULATION.   The PTS are tallied, the TG are the total goals:  
REG + OT as the PKS do not count in this area, they only determine who gets the 
2 PTS.  
the spreadsheet should tally the information

TEAM    GP  3-PTS 2-PTS 1-PT 0-PTS GF  GA  DIF  PTS
TEAM1  5 2        2        1      0        5     3     +2   11

There are some online examples, but they only contain W-win L-loss D-draw.  We 
do not have draws as the game has to be decided and we play OT and/or shoot PKS 
if the game is still tied.  

 The examples are here:

Sport tournament template in the site above, i cannot copy+paste correctlyWe 
only have two rounds and we only take care of our district we do not need more 
groups.  Ideas are appreciated.

Best Regards,


Antonio 
 
 


     
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OT: little help for fixing a spreadsheet template

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear kind folks,

I asked for a little bit of help regarding a spreadsheet sports template.  We 
have a different system than the regular 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw 
and 0 points for a loss.  In our system we have 3 points for a win(in 
regulation), 2 points for a win(in OT/PKS-penalty kick shootout), 1 point for a 
loss(in OT/PKS), and 0 for a loss in regulation.  There is a website that has 
some nice templates to use and all we need is to cut the competition to two 
rounds only as we play round-robin and we need to modify the existing templates 
to figure this out for us.


http://excel-example.com/templates/sport-tournament-template

In the comments section, the question has been asked in the comments section 
but no replies to that question.  Usually the scores are entered as 

Use 1- first half 2- second half OT1  overtime 1st period, OT2- 2nd Overtime 
period and PKS-penalty-kicks 

Team1  1-0 2-0 OT1-0  OT2-0 PKS-3  
Team2  1-0 2-0 OT1-0  OT2-0 PKS-2

so Team1 wins 1 to 0 in PKS there are 0 goals added to the GF and 0 goals added 
to GA and earns 2 points 
Team2 looses 1 to 0 in PKS and gets 0 goals in favor and 0 goals against and 
earns 1 point 
This should happen for all the games to be played.  We were in a 6 team 
district and now we will be moved to an 8 team district.  
We can open the spreadsheet with LibreOffice and keep using xlsx and/or convert 
it to ods.

Thanks for any help/advice/suggestions.

Best Regards,


Antonio 

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TeXLive on Install DVD i386/x86_64

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow Fedora users,

Since Fedora 13 is just around the corner and in Fedora 12 TeXLive was removed 
from the install DVD, will the install DVD from Fedora 13 be also without 
TeXLive?

Why?
I won't yum install texlive on home machine with dialup :(

Will install TexLive2009 from install DVD if it is the case.  This is to know 
ahead of time.  At work, I can yum install what I need like OpenOffice(yes I 
read the OpenOffice Thread, and I agree with all who want OpenOffice by 
default), but some Fedora folks went to liveDVD, then back to liveCD because 
other folks complained about not having DVD drives.   This is not really fair, 
people will use a livecd to install Fedora and if it does not have what users 
need, then it is not meeting the user's expecations.  People on dialup will not 
yum install Openoffice.org and take a great while to install it :(

Since OpenOffice has been asked, this question is about TeXLive, we all know 
about the repo too, but will it be on the installation DVD for both 
architectures?

Thanks in advance,

Antonio

P.S.
Don't mean to cause a stir, but like people defend the idea that something is 
too big to be in there, then if the media is big to fill it up, why was that 
space not used up to its full capactity?

Use openoffice & texlive 




  
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Re: Re: Sophos Anti Virus

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 5/15/10, jdow  wrote:

> From: jdow 
> Subject: Re: Re: Sophos Anti Virus
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 11:45 AM
> From: "Bruno Wolff III" 
> Sent: Saturday, 2010/May/15 07:56
> 
> 
> > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 07:12:49 -0400,
> >  Wm_Frank Pont jr 
> wrote:
> >> I have many programs which g++ has produced and I
> own.  These could
> >> be the target of a virus.  It would be easy
> for me to wipe all of my
> >> executables and re-make them but I just realized
> that unlike many
> >> LINUX folk, I am somewhat virus vulnerable ...
> maybe with quotes around
> >> the word.  Worms, Trojan horses, phishing ...
> are possible. We should
> >> not hide behind a Superiority complex until some
> strange anti social kid
> >> nails us.  We already have a lot of
> safeguards in place.  But it seems
> >> that we are a trusting community.
> >
> > Antivirus is not the right solution. It doesn't really
> work since 
> > blacklists
> > can't be up to date or all inclusive. And they suck up
> a lot of resources.
> >
> > The correct response is to avoid executing foreign
> code, and sandbox when
> > processing untrusted data and especially untrusted
> code.
> 
> Bruno, you are outside in subzero (F) temperatures. You are
> wearing a
> teeshirt, jeans, and flip-flops. Would you accept a nice
> warm winter
> jacket that has a hole or two in the elbows and one pocket
> ripped off?
> Would you accept boots that were cracked and leaky? Would
> you like to
> add worn out socks to the boots?
> 
> Even if you are outside on that same day wearing a woolen
> sweater, a
> winter jacket, warm woolen pants, and flip-flops would you
> accept the
> boots and socks even if they had holes in them?
> 
> Apply the thought process to anti-malware. If your machine
> and your work
> is not valuable to you then forget anti-malware and plan to
> reinstall
> someday, practice safe browsing, play footsie with Nigerian
> spammers,
> and so forth. It's your prerogative.
> 
> I rather like to trade the flip-flops for the holey socks
> and worn out
> boots for that little bit extra warmth if I'm going to hike
> a mile or
> two.
> 
> {^_^} 
> 
> -- 

Like all the analogies and thoughts here, but I agree with Tim and with Bruno.  
We have selinux running, we have protection.  There are multiple solutions out 
there, there is the firewall, there are routers.  I like these kinds of threads 
because people put forth their ideas and piss other people off, but like Tim 
says, this is not windows, we can be safer and we can rest assured that we will 
be careful not to shoot ourselves in the foot :)  

For one thing we can't avoid in life:

Death and Taxes :( 




  
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Firewall on Fedora how it works, and runs by default

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow fedora users,

In light of the antivirus questions/issues, Fedora comes with a firewall that 
runs by itself after installation? 

I know there's system-config-firewall, and 

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SystemConfig/firewall

but I don't know actually how this works :(, I know that somethings are allowed 
and others are not, I don't know if the iptables is started at the beginning 
and how it works.  If the network one is on is ipv4, we have one thing, and we 
also have ipv6 and there is a different thing right?  I also see this :

ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (16384 buckets, 65536 max)
CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use
nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel parameter, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or
sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it.

I have been happy with the default setup, but I don't know how it works.  I 
know other distros don't enable the firewall by default, but Fedora does.  Is 
there any howto, or other documentation of what really happens behind the 
scences.

Thanks in Advance,

Antonio 


  
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RE: Firewall on Fedora how it works, and runs by default

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 5/15/10, Joseph L. Casale  wrote:

> From: Joseph L. Casale 
> Subject: RE: Firewall on Fedora how it works, and runs by default
> To: "'Community support for Fedora users'" 
> Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 6:35 PM
> >I have been happy with the
> default setup, but I don't know how it works.
> 
> Are you asking what goes on in the kernel wrt iptables or
> simply
> how to manage it?
> 
> If you simply want to manage it, maybe a good read starts
> here:
> 
> http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch14_:_Linux_Firewalls_Using_iptables
> 
> Really, man iptables is pretty thorough, as I hate reading
> in a terminal,
> I often use http://linux.die.net/man/8/iptables as a
> ref...
> 
> -- 


Thank you Joseph!  This really helps.  I have seen parts of this when I tried 
making one of my machines a dhcp server, but I could not succeed :(, I had port 
forwarding enabled and saved the iptables, but something else was screwing up.  

When we start we see if iptables service succeeded or not.  How about the other 
part:

ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (16384 buckets, 65536 max)
CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use
nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel parameter, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or
sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it.

What is CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT and why is it being depracated?

Thanks for your response.  IT is what I was looking for.

Regards,

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Re: how to 'rip apart' a rpm.

[Antonio Olivares]

> > Clarify here: I can do all that as the
> user. What I can't do, until
> > somebody decides to fix mkinitrd, is
> to run it as the user. That is my
> > specific bitch. And I think its
> perfectly valid. mkinitrd simply will
> > not run for anybody but root.
> >       
>    
>  And this is a bad thing? I, for one, don't
> want some low-level user
>  installing a kernel on my machines. I
> don't want them installing
>  ANYTHING that's global.
>          
> >>> +1
> >>>       
> >> I get the feeling that Gene isn't talking about
> the actual installation
> >> of the initrd image.  I think he is wondering
> why something like...
> >>
> >> mkinitrd /tmp/xxx
> 2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i686.PAE
> >>
> >> needs root privileges to run.   Is
> there anything inherently wrong is
> >> expecting that to work?
> >>     
> > "dracut /tmp/test.img 2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64" works
> just fine as an 
> > unprivileged user
> >
> >   
> Yes...  I was going to point out that dracut
> supersedes mkinitrd.
> 
> Thanks for bringing that up.
> 
> -- 

Yes, but Fedora no longer ships mkinitrd and if we need it, we need to download 
it.  Is there any new documentation(not the rpm one that exists ) on how to 
build a kernel on Fedora with the dracut in place of mkinitrd?  How to enable 
KMS, and how to install the nouveau driver?  copying Fedora kernel's config 
does not build a kernel that can have X working great and using noueaux.  This 
needs to be changed and documented so that users can make/roll their own 
kernels and use the nouveau driver too!, otherwise "evil driver" will do work 
and give X, but not a "true Fedora solution right"?

Regards,

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Re: how to 'rip apart' a rpm.

[Antonio Olivares]

> > Yes, but Fedora no longer ships mkinitrd and if we
> need it, we need to
> > download it.  Is there any new documentation(not
> the rpm one that exists )
> > on how to build a kernel on Fedora with the dracut in
> place of mkinitrd? 
> > How to enable KMS, and how to install the nouveau
> driver?  copying Fedora
> > kernel's config does not build a kernel that can have
> X working great and
> > using noueaux.  This needs to be changed and
> documented so that users can
> > make/roll their own kernels and use the nouveau driver
> too!, otherwise
> > "evil driver" will do work and give X, but not a "true
> Fedora solution
> > right"?
> 
> to build the initrd replace mkinitrd with dracut on the
> command line.   you 
> could always checkout the fedora kernel from fedoras cvs
> and apply whatever 
> patches you need on top.  or you need to pull the
> patches fedora has for 
> nouveau and apply to whatever kernel you build
> 
> 
> Dennis
> 
> -

Yes Dennis, the answer looks fine, but how does it incorporate here:

cp config-`uname -r` .config
make mrproper
make all
make modules
make modules_install (as root)  
make install (as root)  

make install  here, this command expects mkintrd and Fedora does not have it, 
and it needs dracut now?  How do we tell make install that we need dracut to 
this automagically?  Can we script it?  I am sure that many users just # yum 
install mkintrd -y
and move on, but if we want to use Fedora's way(not rpm build but regular 
mortal way) we are at a loss :(, also there is not good enough documentation on 
the nouveau issues(if there is no one is sharing it :()

I can apply patches easily
patch -p1 < , 
but dracut in place of mkinitrd, in make install is not that easy :(

If there's a way to do it, I am sure more than one person would be happy to 
know :)  

Regards,

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Re: F13 - K3B - Won't burn dual layer BluRay

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 5/30/10, Bill Davidsen  wrote:

> From: Bill Davidsen 
> Subject: Re: F13 - K3B - Won't burn dual layer BluRay
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 5:33 AM
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 06:17 -0500, Steve Berg wrote:
> >> I've tried on two different systems, both recent
> clean installs of Fedora
> >> 13 x86_64.  Open K3B (V1.91.0), pull in files
> that I'd like to have an
> >> archive of, total size is just under 40GB. 
> Load up a blank BD-R dual
> >> layer and tell K3B to burn.
> >>
> >> It sees the blank BD-R as having 46.6GB space. K3B
> then asks me to put in
> >> a blank disk of at least size 37.8GB.  I know
> it's been a long time since
> >> my last math class, but I'm pretty sure that 46.6
> is bigger than 37.8.  :)
> >>
> >> On one system I have Nero4 Linux and it was able
> to burn the same data
> >> with no problems.  Anyone seen similar
> issues?
> > 
> > You neglected to say what K3B actually does with this,
> such as any error
> > messages it outputs.
> > 
> The error message was included in the first post, wasn't
> it? What other messages 
> are you looking for? Something in /var/log/messages, or
> ???
> 
> OP: does K3B actually do a burn, or call something else to
> do it? I've had burn 
> problems because Fedora doesn't have genuine cdrecord
> installed, they ship a 
> look-alike which is really named tokem, or hokem, or
> something like that, which 
> doesn't work well on some burners.
>
called wodim, Write Optical Disk Media, is the fork included on Debian and Red 
Hat Derivatives, i.e, Fedora  

Shouldn't growisofs try to burn dvd's on real cdrecordless Fedora?  
> 
> Unfortunately you have to build your own from source, but
> it's worth doing in my 
> opinion.
>
AGREE
> -- 

There is hope, 

\begin{quote}
Debian agreed on distributing the original cdrtools as soon as possible
On March 6th 2009 at CeBIT, Simon Phipps (Sun Opensurce Evangelist) helped to 
get an agreement with Debian. There was a meeting between Simon Phipps (Sun), 
Jörg Jaspert (Debian FTP Master), Jörg Schilling (Cdrtools Author and 
Maintainer) and a neutral observer, where Jörg Jaspert in a legally binding way 
agreed on distributing the original cdrtools again for Debian as soon as 
possible. Jörg Jaspert told us that this would be within three months. We are 
currently waiting for this promise to become reality. Unfortunately Debian 
seems to be extremely slow as Debian did not finish this after 6 months. 
 OpenSuSE started to distribute the  original and unmodified cdrtools again on 
September 6th 2009. This was a result of a discussion with the SuSE legal 
managers started three weeks before. 
 Ark Linux started to distribute the original cdrtools again on September 10th 
2009. This was an own decision from Ark Linux. 
\end{quote}

http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html

Who knows what is really happening?, Still I don't mind using wodim, but I 
seriously prefer the original cdrecord.

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: where does Network-Manager store its VPN settings?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 5/30/10, fred smith  wrote:

> From: fred smith 
> Subject: where does Network-Manager store its VPN settings?
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 6:56 PM
> 
> When using NM (in Gnome) to configure a VPN (Sysco, which
> uses vpnc as the
> backend) where does it store the VPN configuration
> settings?
> 
> Trying to find them so I can move them to a new F13
> installation rather than
> re-creating all of 'em.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> -- 
>  Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us
> 
>                
>     Do you not know? Have you not heard? 
>     The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator
> of the ends of the earth. 
>   He will not grow tired or weary, and his
> understanding no one can fathom.
> - Isaiah 40:28 (niv)
> -
> -- 

Check for a . file?  

http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/admins/

http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings

Hope this helps in some way.

Regards,

Antonio 

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Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Máirín Duffy  wrote:

> From: Máirín Duffy 
> Subject: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 8:11 PM
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700,
> Craig White wrote:
> > George - I think that you are very offensive towards
> people who
> > volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why
> Fedora contributors
> > don't actually want to participate on the user lists
> and get abused by
> > unappreciative, sarcastic and combative users.
> 
> How do we fix this?
> 
> - moderation?
> - a code of conduct?
> - ?
> 
> I've found some of the behavior of a few on this list to be
> quite
> embarrassing. To me, it seems an alien island in the middle
> of the
> Fedora community that I know to be a genuinely warm,
> friendly, and
> welcoming place.
> 
> Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They
> are directed
> towards this list right now via a number of different
> pointers. My team
> is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14,
> and I'm not
> sure we can in good conscience continue to point new users
> to this list
> [1].
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve this
> situation? We've had a
> small few but notable trolls in the past 6 years on the
> Fedora
> art/design lists, and the one solution that seemed to work
> best was
> placing badly-behaving folks on moderation for a few weeks.
> I don't know
> if that would be the appropriate solution here, though. For
> example, do
> we have anyone willing to take on the responsibility of
> moderating?
> 
> ~m
> 
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-help
> 
> -- 

The end users (us) have many things to say, but in the end, the Fedora Project 
does whatever they had in mind not taking many things into consideration.

At distrowatch^{2} I will quote what they have about the Fedora Project

\begin{quote}
The Fedora Project is an openly-developed project designed by Red Hat, open for 
general participation, led by a meritocracy, following a set of project 
objectives. The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community 
to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from open 
source software. Development will be done in a public forum. The project will 
produce time-based releases of Fedora about 2-3 times a year, with a public 
release schedule. The Red Hat engineering team will continue to participate in 
building Fedora and will invite and encourage more outside participation than 
in past releases. By using this more open process, we hope to provide an 
operating system more in line with the ideals of free software and more 
appealing to the open source community.
\end{quote}

If users have anything to say, their idea(s) get shot down from above.  What 
does that portray?  Do the end users really feel at home?
Sure that is why many act beligerant/defiant and question many things.  If the 
Fedora Project wants more participation, then let the community comment 
(whether its is good/bad/ugly who is to decide).  I know that there are 
guidelines, but just like Speed Limits on our highways, these rules are broken. 
 What are the consequences going to be?  It is a priviledge to be on the list 
and get advice/help/suggestions from the community.  Since Fedora is Free, the 
phrase, "The customer is always right unfortunately does not apply".  I have 
participated in BIG, I would say HUGE attention getting threads here at Fedora 
over the years, and I can say that You have not seen anything yet.  When I 
write something nowadays, it seems that many folks don't want to listen or have 
me in their blacklists :(, I believe I have done nothing wrong but that is 
another thing.  

> Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior?
Nothing in life is perfect and we as a community are far from perfect, nobody 
is perfect and this is REALITY.  What is wrong with this behavior?
We are a special group of people that use Fedora and each of us has a 
say/opinion about the direction and has a right to question the many things 
that get done.  Sadly, many folks get directed to /dev/null, are directed to 
join other lists if they want to voice their opionions and then most of what 
they wanted does not get done or takes a while to get done.  

Some folks get directed towards filing bugs, but many of them get CLOSED(NOT A 
BUG), or are open technically forever with no fix in sight, but you did your 
job and you should be happy that you did try to fix the issues that you 
encountered.  

> Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve this
> situation? 

The complaints/rants will be a part of the list regardless of what is going on. 
 For a few people, Fedora meets their needs and they are happy quiet users that 
are grateful to the Fedora project for their offering (Getting to use future 
Red Hat Linux products now in the present without having to $$)  You can't 
please people all of the time.  Ju

Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Máirín Duffy  wrote:

> From: Máirín Duffy 
> Subject: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 8:11 PM
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700,
> Craig White wrote:
> > George - I think that you are very offensive towards
> people who
> > volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why
> Fedora contributors
> > don't actually want to participate on the user lists
> and get abused by
> > unappreciative, sarcastic and combative users.
> 
> How do we fix this?
> 
> - moderation?
> - a code of conduct?
> - ?
> 
> I've found some of the behavior of a few on this list to be
> quite
> embarrassing. To me, it seems an alien island in the middle
> of the
> Fedora community that I know to be a genuinely warm,
> friendly, and
> welcoming place.
> 
> Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They
> are directed
> towards this list right now via a number of different
> pointers. My team
> is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14,
> and I'm not
> sure we can in good conscience continue to point new users
> to this list
> [1].
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve this
> situation? We've had a
> small few but notable trolls in the past 6 years on the
> Fedora
> art/design lists, and the one solution that seemed to work
> best was
> placing badly-behaving folks on moderation for a few weeks.
> I don't know
> if that would be the appropriate solution here, though. For
> example, do
> we have anyone willing to take on the responsibility of
> moderating?
> 
> ~m
> 
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-help
> 
> -- 

The end users (us) have many things to say, but in the end, the Fedora Project 
does whatever they had in mind not taking many things into consideration.

At distrowatch^{2} I will quote what they have about the Fedora Project

\begin{quote}
The Fedora Project is an openly-developed project designed by Red Hat, open for 
general participation, led by a meritocracy, following a set of project 
objectives. The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community 
to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from open 
source software. Development will be done in a public forum. The project will 
produce time-based releases of Fedora about 2-3 times a year, with a public 
release schedule. The Red Hat engineering team will continue to participate in 
building Fedora and will invite and encourage more outside participation than 
in past releases. By using this more open process, we hope to provide an 
operating system more in line with the ideals of free software and more 
appealing to the open source community.
\end{quote}

If users have anything to say, their idea(s) get shot down from above.  What 
does that portray?  Do the end users really feel at home?
Sure that is why many act beligerant/defiant and question many things.  If the 
Fedora Project wants more participation, then let the community comment 
(whether its is good/bad/ugly who is to decide).  I know that there are 
guidelines, but just like Speed Limits on our highways, these rules are broken. 
 What are the consequences going to be?  It is a priviledge to be on the list 
and get advice/help/suggestions from the community.  Since Fedora is Free, the 
phrase, "The customer is always right unfortunately does not apply".  I have 
participated in BIG, I would say HUGE attention getting threads here at Fedora 
over the years, and I can say that You have not seen anything yet.  When I 
write something nowadays, it seems that many folks don't want to listen or have 
me in their blacklists :(, I believe I have done nothing wrong but that is 
another thing.  

> Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior?
Nothing in life is perfect and we as a community are far from perfect, nobody 
is perfect and this is REALITY.  What is wrong with this behavior?
We are a special group of people that use Fedora and each of us has a 
say/opinion about the direction and has a right to question the many things 
that get done.  Sadly, many folks get directed to /dev/null, are directed to 
join other lists if they want to voice their opionions and then most of what 
they wanted does not get done or takes a while to get done.  

Some folks get directed towards filing bugs, but many of them get CLOSED(NOT A 
BUG), or are open technically forever with no fix in sight, but you did your 
job and you should be happy that you did try to fix the issues that you 
encountered.  

> Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve this
> situation? 

The complaints/rants will be a part of the list regardless of what is going on. 
 For a few people, Fedora meets their needs and they are happy quiet users that 
are grateful to the Fedora project for their offering (Getting to use future 
Red Hat Linux products now in the present without having to $$)  You can't 
please people all of the time.  Ju

Re: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]

[Antonio Olivares]

 
> Choose a good subject - Do not make your subject say just
> "Help slax newbie" nobody wants to hear this. Describe your
> problem briefly in your subject, then you can describe your
> problem in greater depth in the body of your article. Repeat
> the subject in the body if it will make things clearer.
> Avoid "subject says all" etc. A better subject might have
> been "X Windows crashes whenever I run program foo.
> 

Sadly, I just CUT+PASTED from slax forum:

http://www.slax.org/forum.php?action=view&parentID=60111&highlight=Guidelines

sed -i 's/slax/Fedora/'

Here:  "Help slax newbie"

to "Help Fedora newbie"

I hit the reply button too soon :(

Regards,

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Re: [F13, Nvidia] Nvidia drivers for Nvidia GF FX5200

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 6/6/10, Michael Cronenworth  wrote:

> From: Michael Cronenworth 
> Subject: Re: [F13, Nvidia] Nvidia drivers for Nvidia GF FX5200
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:01 PM
> On 06/06/2010 01:49 PM, Boris Glawe
> wrote:
> > Do you know, whether it's not there yet, or does
> rpmfusion not provide
> > any old versions of the graphic card any more?
> >    
> 
> It's not rpmfusion at fault. nVidia has not provided a
> X.org 1.8 driver 
> for the 5 series and older card generations. You will need
> to use the 
> open source driver, which should function rather well.
> 
> 
> -- 

I support your statement.  Read it in a review of Fedora 13.  

I read it here:

http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Rock-it-What-s-new-in-Fedora-13-1006388.html


X.org's X Server version 1.8.0, which was released in early April, is 
responsible for displaying the graphical user interface. Some of the 
proprietary graphics drivers, which are, as usual, not included in Fedora, 
don't co-operate with this version -- for example's NVIDIA's Legacy driver for 
older GeForce graphics cards. NVIDIA's current Linux driver, on the other hand, 
is compatible and available to install manually from add-on repositories such 
as RPM Fusion


Hope this clears this situation.

Regards,


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Re: How is (k)networkmanager supposed to work these days ?

[Antonio Olivares]

> I set up networking with network
> manager on my laptop back in F11.  Or
> was it F10 ?  Not sure.  Everything has worked
> fine since then.  I had
> an icon in my system tray that showed me signal strength
> and I could
> click to select various APs, connect, etc.  I
> accomplished this using
> the NetworkManager-gnome package.
> 
> Last night I upgraded from F12 to F13.  Everything
> went fine except when
> I booted I was without wifi functionality.  I got
> everything working but
> I don't have an icon in my system tray anymore.  
> 
> How do I fix this ?
> 
> I yum list \*network\*  and saw that there is a
> knetworkmanager package.
> If I install it, how do I use it ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 

Before you install knetworkmanager, why don't you try from command line 
terminal:

$ nm-applet &

and it should bring up the icon that you need.  Don't know if it is a bug but 
if one updates/updated during Fedora 13 Release cycle(Testing), this happened 
there too.  In my case, I have to use this, because my laptop does the same 
thing as is happening to you.  Don't know why it happens, but something broke 
it from starting automagically :(

Hope this helps,

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Re: Sound card in FC13

[Antonio Olivares]

___
From: Mahdi Foladgar 
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 11:02:11 PM
Subject: Sound card in FC13

Hi,

I upgrade my old laptop from FC12 to FC13.
Now, my sound card not worked I think we used snd_viaxx driver.

If any suggestion, please help me

Thanks.


(1) 
Try to run 
$ alsamixer -c 0

check the settings and use up/down arrows to adjust.  Something might be muted.

(2)
Download alsa-info.sh 
and copy it to your Fedora 13 partition and make it executable, 
$ chmod +x alsa-info.sh
and run
$ ./alsa-info.sh
Paste here or use pastebin?  to see what can help

(3)
Check here if (1) or (2) don't do the job for more advice:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SoundTroubleshooting

Regards,

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Re: k3b, wodim, or what?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Fri, 7/2/10, Tom Horsley  wrote:

> From: Tom Horsley 
> Subject: k3b, wodim, or what?
> To: "Fedora List" 
> Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 2:01 PM
> I sometimes backup some data files to
> dual layer DVD using
> k3b. On fedora 13, I notice that k3b seems to try and use
> wodim
> by default to do this. On previous versions it used
> growisofs.
> 
> After burning a few coasters and doing much google
> searching,
> I finally noticed the option in the burn dialog for
> selecting
> the app to use, told it to use growisofs, and it burned
> the
> dual layer DVD with no problem using the same media wodim
> always
> failed on after writing about 1 gig.
> 
> So, if I should report this as a bug, what should it be
> a bug against? K3b or wodim? Is wodim supposed to be
> able to write dual layer DVDs?
Don't know, but the real cdrecord does burn to dvds even Blue Ray Media, but 
this not part of the question, right?  
> -- 

File it against k3b.  

Why?
Like you have said, it used growisofs at one point.  Now it wants to use wodim, 
why does it want to change behavior.

BTW,
k3b-2.0.0 has been released.  Maybe there Rex, Kevin, and other KDE devlopers 
can include the fix?  

Regards,

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Antonio Olivares]

Cut him some slack here.

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He is the one "should cut some slack here" by subscribing to the list if he 
wants to post.  It is as simple as that.  There are "too many" problems already 
mentioned, and unless he is a very important person that can be excused, then 
there is no point in arguing the points.  It is a priviledge to be on the list 
and if he wants to post, but not be subscribed and he is not "a very important 
person", then he should abide like others do.

Regards,

Antonio 

P.S.

kill -9 thread="Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers"
rm -rf thread="Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers"
"any others that complain about things that are beyond all control" > /dev/null 



  
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Timothy Murphy  wrote:

> From: Timothy Murphy 
> Subject: The quietness of preupgrade
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 4:22 PM
> 
> I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today,
> and it nearly all went well.
> But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be
> happening
> off-putting, to put it mildly.
> 
> It spent 30-60 minutes "searching for storage" -
> what is that about?
> I assumed the program had hung, but I was watching the
> World Cup,
> so didn't mind waiting,
> and was amazed to find the program actually returned to
> life
> just as the game ended.
> 
> It really would be helpful if developers could make sure
> that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of
> dots,
> comes up from time to time.
> 
> -- 


A message telling you pregupgrade cannot continue since Germany is losing to 
Spain, it just has 11 minutes to catch up if it has a chance of working?

Or we are going to overtime to install this, are you ready for penalty kicks?



Actually, one of the major problems of preupgrade has been the small boot 
partition(200MB) and Fedora 13 has addressed this by making the boot partition 
500 MB.  Other than that, preupgrade should work fine.  

Regards,

Antonio 

P.S
Who do you like in the final?
Holland or Spain?

Germany was playing beautifully up until today, I am actually disappointed that 
we did not have overtime or penalty kicks :(  I love those Panneka shots like 
Loco Abreu took for Uruguay, but has not happened.  All of this of course not 
on the final.  I would like the final to be won in added time, with a 
goalkeeper scoring, either by a header or a kick.  I would like to see the 
goalkeeper score one, because normally one does not see these things happen :(  
But it does add fun to the GAME :)  


  
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Re: Generating modprobe files

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Alex  wrote:

> From: Alex 
> Subject: Generating modprobe files
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 5:45 PM
> Hi,
> 
> What is the procedure or process to regenerate the
> /etc/modprobe.d
> files, particularly the ones that define the module for the
> ethernet
> drivers?
> 
> I'd like to generate the aliases for all the modules that
> are
> currently loaded on the system, so they are loaded
> automatically on
> the next boot.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> -- 

Alex,

One should not mess with /etc/modprobe.d/ directory, unless a particular driver 
needs/specifies a file to be added there.  Thus modprobe.conf file has been 
deprecated for sometime.  

If you added new hardware, and you booted and everything worked, then 
everything should be fine.  If something did not work, and you need to add a 
file in /etc/modprobe.d/ directory, then add it and reboot.  But this should 
not be needed anymore.  udev usually takes care of these things automagically 
most of the time.  

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: SSH / permissions problem

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, Gary Stainburn  wrote:

> From: Gary Stainburn 
> Subject: Re: SSH / permissions problem
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:57 AM
> x}S飇A艀B򡼬㏄驛ZjR+"es7w7鎛鳂軰��薹洟褗!�.丑憬7o?9�9TvG'�0v;毾Nf鳼�速+旱Q拥_醠�>蛞肌�62EO眅�1�溄�.肖h}螮cu�;z,�[�憖斄嚇;*嚤嬦��+姾#踃q訙诞銨V�,卙;9T�(!尣�(愡:甴邓？\�#_Lb枲�-K?篐掊�崩篴�軭覨赯C錼�
> 哛e嫸�

What could be causing these characters?
Using yahoo mail with konqueror.  Try ASCII encoding, message still will look 
cryptic.  What could be causing this?

A similar thing happened on test list.  This had not happened before.
Will forward other message that does not look proper.  

Thanks,

Antonio 


  
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Re: sshd Authentication refused

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, David Highley  wrote:

> From: David Highley 
> Subject: Re: sshd Authentication refused
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 7:52 PM
> x¥TmoÚ0þž_qb_ç¼



What could be causing these characters?
Using yahoo mail with konqueror.  Try ASCII encoding, message still will look 
cryptic.  What could be causing this?

A similar thing happened on test list.  This had not happened before.
Will forward other message that does not look proper.  

Thanks,

Antonio 




  
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Re: SSH / permissions problem

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
> Subject: Re: SSH / permissions problem
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 7:04 AM
> On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 06:51 -0700,
> Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > >
> x}S飇A艀B򡼬㏄驛ZjR+"es7w7鎛鳂軰��薹洟褗!�.丑憬7o?9�9TvG'�0v;
> >
> 毾Nf鳼�速+旱Q拥_醠�>蛞肌�62EO眅�1�溄�.肖h}螮cu�;z,�[�憖斄嚇;*嚤嬦
> >
> ��+姾#踃q訙诞銨V�,卙;9T�(!尣�(愡:甴邓？\�#_Lb枲�-K?篐掊�崩篴�軭覨赯
> > C錼�
> > > 哛e嫸�
> > 
> > What could be causing these characters?
> > Using yahoo mail with konqueror.  Try ASCII
> encoding, message still
> > will look cryptic.  What could be causing this?
> > 
> > A similar thing happened on test list.  This had
> not happened before.
> > Will forward other message that does not look
> proper.  
> 
> My default position is that it's Yahoo's fault unless you
> can
> demonstrate the contrary. Yahoo Mail sucks for mailing
> lists (no
> threading, hard to avoid HTML, hard not to top-post, etc.)
> so maybe this
> is another amusing quirk. Have you seen the problem in
> personal mail?
> 
> poc
> 
> -- 

No.  Most mail appears correct.  Just a select few.  I wonder what is 
happening?  

Thanks and sorry to be asking, but I have not had any problems before and I 
have been following lists since 2004 :)

Regards,


Antonio 


  
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mail encodings/yahoo mail who's the culprit?

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear Fellow Fedora users,

I am seeing messages with weird encodings.  I was seeing them with konqueror 
and now it is the same with firefox.  Using yahoo mail(web based Mail Classic) 
in case it is important.  I will cut + paste messages as they appear:

Flag this message
Re: Minimum Required RPM Packages for Running Fedora
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:02 AM
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"Suvayu Ali" 
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Re: New Update has no kmod for new kernel and new nvidia driver
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:38 AM
From:
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Even on Test list too! :(  I have asked and some suggest it is yahoo's fault.  
Here is a message to test list:

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Re: Problem playing an avi file

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Wed, 7/14/10, JD  wrote:

> From: JD 
> Subject: Problem playing an avi file
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 7:45 PM
>   I have an avi file which when
> played with any of the linux players:
> xine, vlc, mplayer, ffplay, totem, ...etc
> displays the message in the video window:
> Codec Error: Use Windows Media player.
> then it issues the message: Redirecting to microsoft
> download page.
> 
> I have never seen this happen before.
> 
> Has anyone else seen it? How to get around it?
> 
> -- 

Question:

Do you have codecs installed?  Which codecs?  The mplayer codecs:

http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f13.html

Cut+paste from above page: in case its needed

Binary Codecs - The MPlayer projects maintains a package full of binary codecs 
for which no directly open source option exists, some of these files include 
Windows DLL's. These are shared by both Xine and MPlayer. NOTE:  There is 
significant variation depending on your architecture (i386, x86_64, ppc). This 
step is really only beneficial to 32bit i386 users, 64bit users may also 
install the i386.

* Navigate to: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/
* Select the package (.tar.bz2) best matching your version of 
Fedora/Architecture. Generally 32-bit users will use: all-20100303.tar.bz2.
* Install the codecs (32-bit for example):

  [miran...@charon Download]$ sudo mkdir -p /usr/lib/codecs
  [miran...@charon Download]$ sudo tar -jxvf all-20100303.tar.bz2 
--strip-components 1 -C /usr/lib/codecs/


In case you did not have them, if you do have them, and you still get the error 
message, maybe share the avi file with mplayer developers on mplayer lists?, or 
try another method, like a livecd with built in mplayer and see if that will 
play it?

Regards,

Antonio 




  
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Re: Autocorrection in OOo 3.1.1 and shortcut for navigating in Firefox when zoomed in

[Antonio Olivares]

First off, Red Hat isn't asking thousands of dollars from companies that are 
using Linux as a word processor.  The entitlement for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 
Desktop is like $320/year or so.  If you're paying the "thousands of dollars 
per year" on your RHEL entitlement, then you're not running OpenOffice.org 
Writer on it.  


Secondly, Red Hat doesn't charge anything at all (nor could they) for Fedora, 
which is what you're using -- the free consumer product.  Not only are you 
using a free product, you're using an old version of it.


Facts are never trolling, but attitude is.  When you march in here and sort of 
turn up your nose, snort, and act all disgusted that your free product doesn't 
offer the feature you want and make noise like everyone who thinks it's great 
anyway is an idiot, then that's trolling.  If you think this is going to garner 
sympathy for your cause you are, as you imply, daydreaming.


-- 
Chris


Amen!!!  Halelluyah!!!  This guy has to know that if you compare Fast Food 
places to Operating Systems, Fedora is "not like Burger King" :)  

Why?
At Burger King, you could get it your way :), but with Fedora you get it there 
way or you don't get the damn thing :)

Some kind people have offered you solutions, you don't like them.  You want for 
Fedora to do it your way, but Fedora is "not Burger King"

You have been told, (download Openoffice.org rpms) and install them, but you 
would need to remove OpenOffice.org from Fedora and then install them via rpm 
or yum localinstall OpenOffice.org-3.2.1-x.rpm

Now, please stop your whining and complaining.  I don't know why, but this does 
not add anything valuable to Fedora users.

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: rt2870-2.6.32.16-141.fc12.i686 is missing rt2870sta.ko?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 7/17/10, Daniel B. Thurman  wrote:

> From: Daniel B. Thurman 
> Subject: Re: rt2870-2.6.32.16-141.fc12.i686 is missing rt2870sta.ko?
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 7:39 PM
> On 07/17/2010 06:22 PM, Daniel B.
> Thurman wrote:
> > Seems to me, yum does not find:
> >
> > rt2870-2.6.32.16-141.fc12.i686
> > kmod-rt2870-2.6.32.16-141.fc12.i686
> >
> > from RPMFusion site, and yet these modules are in
> > the repository according to this link:
> >
> > http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/updates/12/i386/repoview/kmod-rt2870-2.6.32.16-141.fc12.i686.html
> >
> > Here is what happens:
> >
> > # yum install rt2870 kmod-rt2870
> > Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto,
> refresh-packagekit
> > Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
> >  * fedora: mirrors.cat.pdx.edu
> >  * rpmfusion-free: mirrors.cat.pdx.edu
> >  * rpmfusion-free-updates: mirrors.cat.pdx.edu
> >  * rpmfusion-nonfree: mirrors.cat.pdx.edu
> >  * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates:
> mirrors.cat.pdx.edu
> >  * updates: mirrors.cat.pdx.edu
> > Setting up Install Process
> > Resolving Dependencies
> > --> Running transaction check
> > ---> Package kmod-rt2870.i686 0:2.1.2.0-6.fc12.20
> set to be updated
> > --> Processing Dependency:
> kmod-rt2870-2.6.32.14-127.fc12.i686 >=
> > 2.1.2.0-6.fc12.20 for package:
> kmod-rt2870-2.1.2.0-6.fc12.20.i686
> > ---> Package rt2870.noarch 0:2.1.2.0-2.fc12.1 set
> to be updated
> > --> Running transaction check
> > ---> Package
> kmod-rt2870-2.6.32.14-127.fc12.i686.i686
> > 0:2.1.2.0-6.fc12.20 set to be updated
> > --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> >
> > Dependencies Resolved
> >
> >
> 
> >  Package           
>       Arch   Version 
>         
> > Repository           
>   Size
> >
> 
> > Installing:
> >  kmod-rt2870         
>     i686   2.1.2.0-6.fc12.20
> > rpmfusion-free-updates  11 k
> >  rt2870           
>        noarch 2.1.2.0-2.fc12.1 
> > rpmfusion-free-updates  18 k
> > Installing for dependencies:
> >  kmod-rt2870-2.6.32.14-127.fc12.i686
> >               
>        
>    i686   2.1.2.0-6.fc12.20
> > rpmfusion-free-updates 206 k
> >
> > Transaction Summary
> >
> 
> > Install       3 Package(s)
> > Upgrade       0 Package(s)
> >
> > Total download size: 235 k
> > Installed size: 559 k
> > Is this ok [y/N]: N
> >
> > Is yum getting confused with getting the right
> packages based on the
> > current kernel version I am running or is there a
> problem with the
> > RPMFusion packages?
> >
> > The problem with the above rt2870 versions, is that it
> fails to install
> > rt2870sta.ko: in
> >
> /lib/modules/2.6.32.16-141.fc12.i686/extra/rt2870/rt2870sta.ko
> > which I need in order to get my wireless working
> again.
> >
> > Here is what I am running:
> > # uname -a
> > Linux .com
> 2.6.32.16-141.fc12.i686 #1 SMP Wed Jul 7
> > 04:47:25 UTC 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> >   
> 
> Some additional information
> 
> I was able to get F12 on another partition to work with my
> wireless - it turns out that on this "broken" F12
> partition,
> yum can only see rt2870-2.1.2.0 & kmod-rt2870-2.1.2.0
> whereas on the successful partition, yum saw:
> rt2870-2.4.0.1 & kmod-rt2870-2.4.0.1.
> 
> I cannot fathom what is going on here... somehow yum
> (or RPMFusion) is controlling which version is being
> seen and not the other...
> 
> Note that the working partition was a dd copy of the
> "broken" partition and yet, somehow I was able to get
> 2.4.0.1 installed, whereas I cannot with the "broken"
> partition, it sees only 2.1.2.0...
> 
> So, how can I force yum to see/get the correct version?
> 
> -- 

I would try removing the old version. Then try yum installing it back.  yum 
should be smart enough to install the latest version.  If not, it would have to 
be a bug?

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Re: Who's moderating this forum?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 7/17/10, Carroll Grigsby  wrote:

> From: Carroll Grigsby 
> Subject: Re: Who's moderating this forum?
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 8:33 PM
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:58:30 -0400
> Marcel Rieux 
> wrote:
> 
> >>> snip
> 
> Why does the name "Karl Larsen" keep running through my
> mind?
> 
> -- cmg
> -- 

It was done through sed :)

first through fedora-l...@redhat.com and then through new address 
users@lists.fedoraproject.org

sed -i 's/Karl Larsen/Marcel Rieux/g' -i fedora-l...@redhat.com 

sed -i 's/Karl Larsen/Marcel Rieux/g' -i users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Now some people use redirection:  
Anthing releated to Marcel Rieux > /dev/null 2>&1
some have 
$ rm -rf /bin/laden

To take care of another fellow that they can't find.

$ find ~/middle\ east/ "bin laden" > .bin-laden
find: `/root/middle east/': No such file or directory
find: `bin laden': No such file or directory


On Topic now.
It seems that there is some moderation going on :(, Why?  Posts take a long 
time to get posted.  I post today right now 
$ date
Sun Jul 18 11:28:07 UTC 2010

and it will come in tomorrow :(  Unless the server has a time-delay stamp no 
real-time compiled kernel?, whichever mail server is running and it is 
accomodating the people that want to post without being subscribed?  It is 
taking much longer to get to us :(  Nobody says anything, except of course 
Marcel :)  I don't know what is worse these  kinds of threads or the others 
where they want to post without being subscribed.  The forum is not and has not 
been moderated, but it apparently seems like it because posts take long to get 
posted :(  Is this done on purpose?  Should I go on RANT mode and join Marcel?  

Naah!  There is no joy on these threads like the old threads that had more 
interest from the community :)  

Regards,

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List mail/archives, encodings

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow fedora users,

I see there is a discrepancy between posts, I reply to a post and it gets 
posted later(through yahoo mail), but I check the u...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
and the post is there:

http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-July/378384.html

Thankfully, 
I have not seen any more mail with encodings that made the messages unreadable. 
 Apparently I was the only person seeing this so it could be a problem with me 
or yahoo mail?

Tim,
Have you had any trouble viewing messages through yahoo mail?  

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Re: List mail/archives, encodings

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 7/18/10, Tim  wrote:

> From: Tim 
> Subject: Re: List mail/archives, encodings
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 10:15 PM
> On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 10:15 -0700,
> Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > Thankfully, 
> > I have not seen any more mail with encodings that made
> the messages
> > unreadable.  Apparently I was the only person
> seeing this so it could
> > be a problem with me or yahoo mail?
> 
> It sounds quite likely it was Yahoo mail.  But here's
> one way it could
> be at your end:  Have you told your mail client, or
> web browser, to
> presume a particular character encoding by default, or to
> override the
> character encoding details provided with the
> messages?  If so, you could
> be forcing an incorrect interpretation.
> 
> The default encoding for e-mail is US-ASCII, anything else
> should
> explicitly declare what it actually uses.  And the
> default for most HTML
> is iso-8859-1 (likewise, anything else should explicitly
> describe
> itself).  XML uses UTF-8, by default, if I recall
> correctly.
>
I had changed the messages in question to other encodings and got the same or 
worse.  Non readable :(  I let the browsers, both konqueror and firefox use the 
default, I then went to the main page(archives) and saw that the messages 
looked correct, except the ones of course where I replied that there was a 
problem :(  
> 
> By "default," that means that if the data doesn't come with
> a
> description of what it is using, then that's what should be
> expected.
> It doesn't mean that all mail/web-pages must use those
> encoding schemes.
> 
> > Tim,
> > Have you had any trouble viewing messages through
> yahoo mail?  
> 
> Me, or another Tim?  
Yep, I meant you :), the other Tim would be Timothy Murphy and since I don't 
know your last name, I simply know you as Tim :)  
> I don't use the webmail service,
> it could be a
> cause of your problem.  I merely send messages to the
> list using a yahoo
> address in my "from" field.  I receive mail sent to
> another address,
> that has nothing to do with Yahoo.
>
How do you get to do this?  I would like to learn how to do it :)
and avoid the ADS, the messages that new yahoo mail cannot be loaded and other 
bull that i see from time to time.  
> 
> I haven't seen anything wrong with the messages that you
> previously drew
> to our attention.  So, the problem would appear to be
> somewhere between
> yourself and the list.
>
That is probably the case, but as of complaining/posting that to mailing list, 
I have not seen any more messages that could not be read like those :) 
> 
> -- 
> [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r
> 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
> 
> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is
> ignored.  I
> read messages from the public lists.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 

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OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow Fedora users,

In light of the other(s) Big Distro makers, Red Hat is also taking a look at 
not staying behind.  Here's an article that might be of interest:

http://press.redhat.com/2010/07/12/red-hat-introduces-cloud-consulting-services-as-part-of-cloud-foundations-edition-one/

Hope that is is not offensive and is not taken against anyone in particular.  
The cloud computing is a topic that I believe should have more input and while 
I am opposed to it, I like for others to take a look at this lively topic.

See more and other topics of interest at Distrowatch Weekly

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100719

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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Suvayu Ali  wrote:

> From: Suvayu Ali 
> Subject: Re: OT:  Cloud Computing is coming to ...
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 11:15 PM
> On Monday 19 July 2010 10:27 PM,
> Antonio Olivares wrote:
> >   The cloud computing is a topic that I
> believe should have more input and while I am opposed to it,
> I like for others to take a look at this lively topic.
> 
> I'm curious, what do you mean by you are opposed to it? I
> find it quite 
> productive.
> 
> -- 
> Suvayu
> 
> Open source is the future. It sets us free.
> -- 

I am opposed to it, because I don't want to trust a third party with my files, 
with my documents, ..., etc.  I agree with Richard Stallman on this one:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman

Regards,

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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Stephen Gallagher  wrote:

> From: Stephen Gallagher 
> Subject: Re: OT:  Cloud Computing is coming to ...
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 8:16 AM
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 07/20/2010 10:58 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > I am opposed to it, because I don't want to trust a
> third party with my files, with my documents, ...,
> etc.  I agree with Richard Stallman on this one:
> > 
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman
> 
> A properly-designed cloud computing solution is one where
> the virtual
> machines being hosted in the cloud can be fully encrypted
> so that the
> hosting provider cannot (feasibly) glean any information
> from them.
> 
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux (like Fedora) supports full-disk
> encryption
> with LUKS, making it a perfect solution for a cloud-based
> system.
> 
> So with an encrypted system, all you're renting is time on
> someone
> else's host, while all of your data remains private to you.
> Sounds good
> to me!
> 
> 
> - -- 
> Stephen Gallagher
> RHCE 804006346421761
> 
> Delivering value year after year.
> Red Hat ranks #1 in value among software vendors.
> http://www.redhat.com/promo/vendor/
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> Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
> 
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Keywords:  properly designed :)

But you are still succeptible to a third party[even though the files could be 
crypted and apparently not seen, that might not be the case] and you can't be 
100% safe.

Don't get me wrong, the techonology is there to do this, but like Mr. Stallman 
says, then we will be at the mercy of the "Cloud"

Regards,

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Re: My laptop Speakers Doesn't Mute then i connect the headphones on FC13

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, David A. Paredes Rios  wrote:

From: David A. Paredes Rios 
Subject: My laptop Speakers Doesn't Mute then i connect the headphones on FC13
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 8:15 AM

HelloIm having this weird problem, when i connect any headphones to the laptop 
jack, i can hear de sound from bot sources, headphones and speakers, any ideas 
on how to solve this?
Fedora Release: Fedora release 13 (Goddard)
Kernel Version: 2.6.33.6-147.fc13.i686

Installed Pulseaudio 
packages:pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686pulseaudio-utils-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio-1.0.22-1.fc13.i686pulseaudio-module-jack-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686pulseaudio-gdm-hooks-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686wine-pulseaudio-1.1.38-1.fc13.i686
pulseaudio-libs-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686pulseaudio-libs-glib2-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686pulseaudio-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.21-6.fc13.i686




From lspci | grep Audio command:00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc 
SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
From cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec command:

Codec: Analog Devices AD1984ACodec: LSI ID 1040[dpare...@dparedes ~]$ 

Any guide to solve this?

Thanks guys.








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Can you run 
$ alsamixer -c 0

and there adjust the settings, maybe there you can find more information?

Regards,

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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

> >
> What are the implicit and explicit impacts on the Fedora
> distribution?
> 
> -- 

Fedora would be used/utilized for the experimentation/design of the "Cloud"

See this:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Cloud_Infrastructure_SOP

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Re: My laptop Speakers Doesn't Mute then i connect the headphones on FC13

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, David A. Paredes Rios  wrote:

From: David A. Paredes Rios 
Subject: Re: My laptop Speakers Doesn't Mute then i connect the headphones on  
FC13
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 8:29 AM

With the command alsamixer -c 0  i get this options:Master --- PCM --- Mic -- 
Mic Boos --- Beep --- Dock  --- Dock Mic  Dock mic boost --- Internal mic 
--- Internal mic boost
Nothing else with alsamixer -c0


--- 
Check thses two sites out, maybe there you can find some suggestions that will 
help?

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/fedora-12-on-laptop-speakers-wont-mute-when-headphones-plugged-in-800637/

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=244565

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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

> How does one explain Fedora Games SIG?  

A customized spin of Fedora with games :), Like KDE spin, LXDE spin, XFCE spin, 
SugarSpin, ..., etc.  I can ask Bruno Wolffe for more information on the Games 
spin if needed, but I am happy as it is :)  

> Fedora has
> hundreds of projects
> running at any time and only a small fraction of it is
> connected to Red
> Hat.  I assumed you just searched for cloud in the
> wiki and threw up the
> first link that came up.  

Wrong!  I did not do that.  I looked for Fedora Cloud Services and that was the 
first page that showed up.  

> Read what it says in more
> details.  Fedora's
> infrastructure efforts on virtualization pre-dates Red
> Hat's cloud
> efforts by a few years.  Fedora has always used VM's
> to build packages.  

I read it and it says the following:

We are still working on the Fedora cloud setup, the content of this page will 
grow at the same time we work and troubleshoot all services.


> 
> > It is there, because Red Hat needs to test those
> techonologies out before they are used?, or Red Hat is
> already prepared to consult with individulals, and/or
> companies that want to use Cloud Computing Services?
> >
> > I carefully try to keep up with these topics as I read
> that others are already doing this and that something needed
> to be done to keep up with the changes?
> >
> > Yours and others' input are greatly appreciated :)
> >   
> 
> You need to look beyond the word "cloud" and understand
> that it is a
> catch all phrase and does mean a single body of
> technology.   The
> technologies involved have already been widely used,
> namely
> virtualization and other things.  Read the document
> for consulting and
> you can see for yourself how this is not something
> fundamental new. 

Well actually it might not be new, but for it to be on Fedora, I scratched my 
head :)  Since Fedora is a free general purpose operating system, I could not 
think that "Cloud Computing" would be promoted?

And anyone can host those "cloud computing services" using Fedora if anyone 
would want to  make money selling those services :)  

> 
> Rahul
> -- 

Thanks for your input.

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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:

> From: Rahul Sundaram 
> Subject: Re: OT:  Cloud Computing is coming to ...
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 9:40 AM
> On 07/20/2010 09:57 PM, Antonio
> Olivares wrote:
> >> How does one explain Fedora Games SIG?  
> >>     
> > A customized spin of Fedora with games :), Like KDE
> spin, LXDE spin, XFCE spin, SugarSpin, ..., etc.  I can
> ask Bruno Wolffe for more information on the Games spin if
> needed, but I am happy as it is :)  
> >   
> 
> Yes but you are missing the point.  Not everything
> that Fedora does is
> connected to Red Hat. 
>
Did I say that?  You are adding this to the discussion.  I just posted that Red 
Hat had a "cloud committee" and a link to the page.  I know, I know if you took 
it that way I am sorry :(  
>
> > I read it and it says the following:
> > 
> > We are still working on the Fedora cloud setup, the
> content of this page will grow at the same time we work and
> troubleshoot all services.
> > 
> >   
> 
> Which has nothing to do with what I said.  Fedora has
> been a extensive
> user of virtualization for many years and extending it for
> new use cases
> is not something fundamentally new.  Fedora
> infrastructure wants to
> provide more service for Fedora contributors and users. 
>
I know Fedora has been involved with this for quite some time, this is not 
disputed :) 
> 
> > Well actually it might not be new, but for it to be on
> Fedora, I scratched my head :)  Since Fedora is a free
> general purpose operating system, I could not think that
> "Cloud Computing" would be promoted?
> >
> > And anyone can host those "cloud computing services"
> using Fedora if anyone would want to  make money
> selling those services :)  
> >   
> 
> Sure or it might just be a Fedora infrastructure offering
> for
> contributors or it can be a paid service to host your
> backups or it can
> be a set of components to run on your own server.  It
> all depends on
> what your particular idea of "cloud computing" actually
> is.
> 
> Rahul
> -- 

In reading other responses, I see that "public" vs "private" "Cloud Computing", 
if you want to choose one, the cost would be lower if you go with "private 
computing".  Still, like I posted before, I agree with Mr. Richard Stallman :)  

Regards,

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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Marko Vojinovic  wrote:

> From: Marko Vojinovic 
> Subject: Re: OT:  Cloud Computing is coming to ...
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 9:51 AM
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2010 17:32:20
> Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> > Sorry I'm "late to the party" on this one. This
> (consulting, designing,
> > deploying, and managing cloud environments) is what I
> do in my day job,
> > so I'm regularly at ground zero of these and related
> issues. I drive a
> > lot of thought leadership for my company in this
> area.
> 
> Say, since you have hands-on experience with this, would
> you mind helping me 
> understand the idea itself?
> 
> Specifically, assuming that I have my own hardware to set
> the whole thing up,
> what is the difference between having a server (possibly
> virtualized), and 
> having a server "on the cloud"? And what is the main
> benefit of the latter over 
> the former?
> 
> If the server is running on your own hardware, it runs on
> your own hardware. 
> How does the idea of a "cloud" come about then, and why is
> it any better than 
> ordinary virtualized set of servers?
> 
> Best, :-)
> Marko
> 
> 
> -- 

Marko, You beat me to it :)

This was exactly the purpose of my question, to ultimately ask what you have 
asked here.  Now to await patiently the responses :)

Regards,

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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:

> From: Rahul Sundaram 
> Subject: Re: OT:  Cloud Computing is coming to ...
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 9:56 AM
> On 07/20/2010 10:19 PM, Antonio
> Olivares wrote:
> >
> > Did I say that?  You are adding this to the
> discussion.  I just posted that Red Hat had a "cloud
> committee" and a link to the page.  I know, I know if
> you took it that way I am sorry :(  
> >   
> 
> What cloud committee?  
>
Sorry I did not post that, I forgot about it.  I read that Red Hat was 
exploring the "Cloud computing/Cloud Services" like Google, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu 
and others who are implementing it already.  They were going to explore the 
concept, I forgot to link these:

http://news.techworld.com/applications/3228007/red-hat-launches-cloud-foundations-package-for-hybrid-cloud-computing/?olo=rss

Published: 10:20 GMT, 24 June 10
Red Hat has launched a comprehensive package, called Red Hat Cloud Foundations, 
that will allow organisations to run applications in both public clouds and 
their own private clouds. With this release, Red Hat is one of only two 
companies that offer a complete package for running a hybrid cloud, said Scott 
Crenshaw, vice president and general manager of Red Hat's cloud business unit. 
The other company is Microsoft, with its Azure platform.
The announcement was one of a number of cloud-related announcements that the 
company made during the kickoff of its Red Hat Summit, being held this week in 
Boston. The company also has added new partners to its Red Hat Certified Cloud 
Provider Program. It has released version 2.2 of its Red Hat Enterprise 
Virtualisation (RHEV) package, and has integrated Cisco's Virtual Network Link 
(VN-Link) technology within the RHEV package.
The first edition of the Red Hat Cloud Foundations package includes a set of 
Red Hat programs, a reference architecture, and a number of consulting services 
and training classes. The Red Hat programs include Red Hat Enterprise Linux 
(RHEL), Red Hat Network Satellite, RHEV, JBoss and the company's messaging 
software.


http://press.redhat.com/2010/07/12/red-hat-introduces-cloud-consulting-services-as-part-of-cloud-foundations-edition-one/
{This was the link I posted}


> 
> You posted a link about a
> consulting offering
> from Red Hat and discussed about that affecting Fedora and
> pointed to
> the Fedora wiki page.  The conclusion you were making
> were that they
> were connected.  I am not adding that to the
> discussion newly.  I am
> merely pointing out that despite the user of the word
> "cloud",  what Red
> Hat does and what Fedora infrastructure does are about
> completely
> dissimilar things and therefore your conclusion that
> somehow there is
> new technologies to test for the cloud and Fedora would be
> used for that
> has no evidence. 
> 
> > In reading other responses, I see that "public" vs
> "private" "Cloud Computing", if you want to choose one, the
> cost would be lower if you go with "private
> computing".  Still, like I posted before, I agree with
> Mr. Richard Stallman :) 
> >   
> 
> All you keep saying is that you agree with RMS.  How
> does the concept of
> private servers to run your own services change your
> argument?
> 
> Rahul
> -- 

This is what I want to learn more about :)  This is the why I asked the 
question in the first place :)  To learn more and advice some of my friends 
that are interested in "Cloud Services"

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Matthew J. Roth  wrote:
> Antonio,
> 
> Clearly, you are just playing devil's advocate since the
> answers to your questions are contained in a document that
> has already been quoted once in the replies to your initial
> post.  In fact, that document is a mere two clicks away
> from the article that you referenced.
>
I wanted to know more, and now thanks to most of the respondents, I understand 
a little bit better of what is involved in these matters. 
> 
> Once again, from Red Hat's Cloud 101 Whitepaper 
> :

I saw this link, but did not read it :(  Sorry for not going there to find the 
answers.  

> 
>   These private clouds are often the evolution of a
> virtualized
>   infrastructure into something that’s more dynamic
> and automated...
> 
>   ...a private cloud that builds on a virtualized
> foundation will be
>   the strategic choice that helps IT bring on new
> business services
>   more quickly...
> 
>   In a cloud environment, resources can be rapidly and
> elastically
>   provisioned, in some cases automatically, to quickly
> scale out
>   based on pre-set policies and the demands of an
> application. Just
>   as importantly, resources can also be rapidly
> decreased when they
>   are no longer needed, avoiding the familiar
> situation of unused
>   servers sitting idle after the task they were
> initially purchased
>   for ends.
> 
> It all really boils down to another layer of abstraction
> that can allow you to leverage your virtualized
> infrastructure to deploy services rapidly and get the most
> out of your hardware.  I understand Richard Stallman's
> concerns about storing private data on a public cloud, but
> that is just one aspect of the technology.
> 
> However, I really don't understand your concern about
> whether or not Fedora is involved with the Red Hat Cloud
> Foundations.  No matter what, you're not going to be
> forced to store your /home filesystem on a public cloud,
> just as you are not forced to run a VM.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthew Roth
> InterMedia Marketing Solutions
> Software Engineer and Systems Developer
> 
> 
> -- 

It was a legitimate question, since I read somewhere that Ubuntu was using some 
kind of cloud service and how does one disable it.  

Is there some kind of guarantee that Fedora will not force one to store /home 
on a "Cloud server somewhare" since Ubuntu did something like that.  And each 
of the big guys is competing in this new market, I hope that such things don't 
happen over here.  

Big thanks to all who have responded.

Regards,

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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

> My general understanding of any IT concept is that it has
> two aspects --- 
> design and implementation. If cloud computing is purely a
> design thing that is 
> being implemented via other (existing) technologies wrapped
> together, then 
> it's just abstract terminology (which is yet to be defined
> IMHO). Or in other 
> words, just yet another buzz-phrase which doesn't mean
> much, like a YAA.

True BUZZ word :), you can check here how WikiPedia describes CLOUD COMPUTING.  
I first saw the word at Distrowatch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing


What's a YAA?

Regards,

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Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

[Antonio Olivares]

The concept of Cloud Computing is there, but folks have to decide for their own 
cases and their own solutions [private,public,...] Clouds :)

> -- 

And then came the RAIN due to "Cloud Computing".  Sorry guys, could not resist. 
:(

Regards,

Antonio 

Tim,
BTW:  Was that in Latin?  What language was that in?   I tried to follow it, 
but could not understand, and then understood a few lines, then again, the same 
thing, then one line ..., etc.  


  
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Re: Recursive comparing of files

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Marko Vojinovic  wrote:

> From: Marko Vojinovic 
> Subject: Recursive comparing of files
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 5:31 PM
> 
> Hi folks! :-)
> 
> I have the following task: there are two directories on the
> disk, say a/ and 
> b/, with various subdirectories and files inside. I need to
> find and erase all 
> *duplicate* files, and after that all empty directories.
> The files may reside in 
> different directories, may have different names, but if
> they have identical 
> *contents*, file from b/ branch should be deleted.
> 
> Now, the directories that I have are rather large and I
> wouldn't want to go 
> hunt for duplicates manually. Is there some tool that can
> at least identify 
> and list duplicate files in some directory structure?
> 
> I could think of an algorithm like:
> 
> 1) list all files in all subdirectories of a/ along with
> their file size
> 2) do the same thing for files in b/
> 3) sort and compare lists, look for pairs of files with
> identical size
> 4) test each pair to see if the file content is the same,
> and if yes, list them 
> in the output
> 
> I could probably be able to write a bash script which would
> do this, but I 
> guess this problem is common and there are already some
> available tools which 
> would do this for me. Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks, :-)
> Marko
> 
> -- 


There is a tool called fdupes.  Read more about it here:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-finds-duplicate-files-in-given-directories/


You need to use a tool called fdupes. It will searche the given path for 
duplicate files. Such files are found by comparing file sizes and MD5 
signatures, followed by a byte-by-byte comparison. fdupes is a nice tool to get 
rid of duplicate files.

> 

Regards,

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Re: KMail

[Antonio Olivares]

> 
> you should use Windows or Macintosh because those OS's
> never push out
> any broken updates.
> 
> ;-)
> -- 

Again NOT TRUE :(

A colleague of mine applied Windows Update (TM) and upon rebooting, she was 
greeeted with the BSOD (TM) patented by Microsoft.  A blue screen was generated 
and the machine cycled through rebooting back and forth, system restore did not 
help either.  Probably malware that changed the machine(windows kernel?) and 
new update(patch) wrecked the machine.  No remedy but to back up the 
data(thanks to linux, it was done), put in back the Windows CD and restore back 
the machine :(

But a good try for the humor :)

Regards,

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rsync, vs Partimage, vs other backup

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow Fedora users & list members,

On the kmail thread, sarcasm included :), I noticed the references to rsync and 
partimage respectively.  Both are recommended to make backups in order to 
prevent from BAD UPDATES to render your machine/working programs to a halt :(, 
and get back up easily.  I have not used any of the two and would appreciate 
some command line examples of how the two work in case I decide to do the same. 
 

I have a copy of SystemRescueCD, GpartedLiveCD, in case either of the two are 
handy in this situation.  I have run rawhide and have been lucky to get back up 
from those BAD UPDATES once in a while and the test list is very generous with 
their help and guidance.

Regards,

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Re: texlive 2009

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Matthew Saltzman  wrote:

> From: Matthew Saltzman 
> Subject: Re: texlive 2009
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 10:15 AM
> On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 11:03 -0500,
> Kirk Lowery wrote: 
> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Matthew Saltzman
> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > A better way is to help with the Fedora packaging
> effort for
> > > TeXLive2009.  Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive for
> > > information on how to add the TeXLive2009
> repository and install from
> > > there.
> > 
> > It depends on how you define "better."
> > 
> > Look at the goals of the TexLive 2009 Fedora
> packaging:
> > 
> > "A better packaging scheme allows to reduce bandwidth
> and save
> > significant disc space. It also allows simpler
> maintenance of separate
> > TeX packages. "
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > "Users could use exactly the part of TeX they need
> without wasting disc space."
> > 
> > I can see the advantage of Fedora packaging for (1)
> the casual TeX
> > user; (2) for packages that need a specific set of TeX
> dependencies.
> > 
> > However, for the serious TeX user, the issues of
> bandwidth and disc
> > space are not relevant. For that user, one needs
> access to all of
> > TeXLive, and to be up to date. TeXLive now offers
> TeXLive manager
> > (tlmgr) and a GUI to tlmgr. With this, one can
> eliminate what packages
> > one doesn't want with much finer granularity than with
> the Fedora
> > packaging, 
> 
> This is a legitimate counter-position to mine.
> 
> > and one doesn't have to wait for Fedora 13!
> 
> This isn't.  There is a repo for texlive2009 packages
> for F12 linked
> from the features page I listed.  I'm using it now on
> F12, and it works
> fine.  
> 
> Installing the base package pulls in a pretty functional
> system.  I've
> had to add about a half-dozen or so RPMs over time, as I've
> tried to use
> some of the more specialized packages, but that's about
> it.
> 
> Now what would be really cool is something that would catch
> when you
> tried to pull a package that you don't have and offer to
> run yum to get
> it for you.  Kind of like the thing (I can't find its
> name just now)
> that offers to yum install a package if you enter a missing
> command.
> 
> > 
> > Kirk
> > 
> 
> -- 
>

While the ideas are great, but I have to agree with Kirk.  I am dissapointed in 
that Fedora used to include texlive in the original DVD for both i386 and 
x86_64 and now they don't.  As a home user and with dialup, despite the efforts 
Fedora is making with packaging, it is sadly not the same as Kirk mentions.  I 
installed TeXlive 2009 at home via the iso.  I downloaded the iso.xz and 
extracted it and burned the cd and installed it. No problems to report.  There 
was the path issue, but some kind folks helped me resolve that.  The decision 
to not include TeXLive on the DVD media is the one that I don't agree with, but 
there again there is not much I can do :(, would have been happy running 
texlive 2007 on it, but why not get the latest and greatest one available.  

I run rawhide and TeXLive 2009 is not even there yet :(

[oliva...@n6355-5067 ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release 
Fedora release 14 (Rawhide)
[oliva...@n6355-5067 ~]$ uname -a
Linux n6355-5067 2.6.34-0.4.rc0.git2.fc14.i686 #1 SMP Fri Feb 26 17:10:39 UTC 
2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[oliva...@n6355-5067 ~]$ rpm -qa texlive*
texlive-texmf-errata-2007-7.fc12.noarch
texlive-texmf-errata-fonts-2007-7.fc12.noarch
texlive-dvips-2007-49.fc13.i686
texlive-texmf-dvips-2007-35.fc13.noarch
texlive-texmf-2007-35.fc13.noarch
texlive-latex-2007-49.fc13.i686
texlive-texmf-errata-latex-2007-7.fc12.noarch
texlive-texmf-latex-2007-35.fc13.noarch
texlive-2007-49.fc13.i686
texlive-texmf-fonts-2007-35.fc13.noarch
texlive-utils-2007-49.fc13.i686
texlive-texmf-errata-dvips-2007-7.fc12.noarch
[oliva...@n6355-5067 ~]$ 


They are not pushing it, This is not like Fedora 8 preFedora 9 where we 
installed it on our own to help testing, is it?

Regards,

Antonio 


  

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Re: texlive 2009

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, François Patte  wrote:

> From: François Patte 
> Subject: Re: texlive 2009
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 10:58 AM
> Matthew Saltzman 
> a écrit :
> 
> > On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 16:54 -0500, Kirk Lowery wrote:
> >> 2010/3/1 François Patte :
> >> 
> >> > I would like to know if someone experienced
> to install texlive-2009 under
> >> > fedora.
> >> >
> >> > I am running fedora 10. On some computer I
> installed fedora 12, but in any
> >> > of these release texlive still remains with
> 2007 release.
> >> 
> >> I run TL 2009 on Fedora 12. I don't use the rpms.
> They split up
> >> TeXLive in ways that don't fit my needs. Besides,
> I like having
> >> everything available so I can experiment. Disk
> space shouldn't be an
> >> issue these days, especially not for a desktop.
> >> 
> >> Anyway, just download the installer:
> >> http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet/install-tl-unx.tar.gz,
> >> unzip and run the script. Works great.
> >> 
> >> Hope this helps.
> > 
> > A better way is to help with the Fedora packaging
> effort for
> > TeXLive2009.  Visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive for
> > information on how to add the TeXLive2009 repository
> and install from
> > there.
> 
> I would agree with that but, I am not sure that, unless
> texlive-2009 will be a part of a fedora release, the
> installation will run smoothly because of the
> dependencies. I am running f10 on some machines and have no
> time to upgrade to f12 right now.
> 
> Moreover I am wondering why Texlive-2009 will install on
> f10 from CTAN distribution and why you need a lot of
> "strange" dependencies under fedora?
> 
> 
> --
> François Patte
> UFR de mathématiques et informatique
> Université Paris Descartes
> 45, rue des Saints Pères
> F-75270 Paris Cedex 06
> Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145
> http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte
> 
> 
> 

Bonjour,

Why different dependencies?,  Because of packaging guidelines, Licensing issues 
and other details that developers and Fedora Commitees/Ambassadors/etc have 
come up with.  

Debian packages it and debian/ubuntu users have no complaints(that I know of), 
As far as I know only Slackware and FreeBSD have not included TeXLive, possibly 
because the packages are *very large* and not small like old TeTeX.  

The installation should run smoothly *if you have decent connection, not 
dialup*, and it JUST WORKS (TM), as I have tested it before when Fedora decided 
to package TeXlive for Fedora 9, so it should work as well.  

Not every package out there (in TeXLive) is included, but as Matthew mentions, 
packages *that are not there* can be installed via yum to make it easier.

Regards,

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Re: Where is 2.6.32?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:

> From: Bruno Wolff III 
> Subject: Re: Where is 2.6.32?
> To: "john wendel" 
> Cc: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 3:14 PM
> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 14:04:06
> -0800,
>   john wendel 
> wrote:
> > 
> > But 2.6.33 has already been released.
> 
> Graphics and kernels are tied together in a way that makes
> backporting
> kernels more difficult. This is part of the reason that you
> aren't seeing
> the new kernels appear in older releases as soon as they
> used to.
> There is long discussion related to this about how the
> nouveau abi change
> makes it hard to switch kernels on the linux kernel mailing
> list.
> -- 

I see that *JUST RECENTLY* there was a 2.6.32.9.X-fc12 kernel being released to 
test out.  ON rawhide there is a 2.6.34.rc1? kernel.  For Fedora stable, *IT IS 
TAKING TOO LONG* to push the kernels.  Hey those that say that Fedora is 
BLEEDING EDGE are now being denied that claim.  Slackware which is known for 
stability and NOT in the upgrade constantly frenzy is at 2.6.33 

oliva...@darkstar:~$ uname -r
2.6.33-smp
oliva...@darkstar:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 13.0.0.0.0

But to give you credit, where credit is due.  Many users out there are having 
trouble because of the noveau getting in the way of the nvidia drivers and this 
is causing lots of headaches and *Fedora is doing the right thing* to wait and 
make sure that things work out before releasing the kernels RIGHT?

On another note, due to the inability of Fedora to release a 2.6.32 kernel, I 
was on the impression that IT was going to be SKIPPED to make way for 2.6.33 
and its many IMPROVEMENTS.  Like John I will compile the new kernel as soon as 
I can and see if the native nouveau just works because I could not go back to a 
previous 2.6.30 kernel that I compiled because it(noveau) did not build and I 
did not want to use the nvidia driver just yet.

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: How to install software without root password (PolicyKit?)

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Valent Turkovic  wrote:

> From: Valent Turkovic 
> Subject: Re: How to install software without root password (PolicyKit?)
> To: "Fedora Users" 
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 4:09 AM
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:46 AM,
> Valent Turkovic
> 
> wrote:
> > Fedora 12 should was planned to have installation of
> packages without
> > users needing to enter root password. How do I enable
> this feature via
> > PolicyKit?
> >
> > Cheers!
> 
> Is this a question for developers list if nobody here know
> how to do that?
> 
> 
> -- 

Maybe?, or the other questions on the list are more INTERESTING than this one?

I remember reading about it a while ago and I believe a BZ was filed:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047

http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/11/fedora-12-updates-package-inst.html

Hope this helps in some way :)

Regards,

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lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow users,

I want to pose a quick questions.  I know Mr. A Robatino posts deltaisos 
regularly which amounts to a certain amount of savings when one downloads a 
deltaiso.  Although I have never downloaded one, I ask if one can save more 
bandwidth if we use lzma compression.  I ask this question because TeXLive2009 
comes in a iso.xz format which is lzma compression and saves some bandwidth.  
Would Fedora welcome such savings and distributing isos, whether test or 
official releases as lzma compressed?

Has this been thought of before?

Thank you in advance for commenting/answering this question.

Regards,

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Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Andre Robatino  wrote:

> From: Andre Robatino 
> Subject: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:31 PM
> Starting with Fedora 12, RPM packages
> are compressed using XZ instead of
> gzip.  As a result, the F12 ISOs are smaller:
> 
> F11 DVD sizes (bytes):
> i386: 3683829760
> ppc: 4606894080
> x86_64: 4268124160
> 
> F12 DVD sizes (bytes):
> i386: 3204427776
> ppc: 3738935296
> x86_64: 3537600512
> 
> See
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XZRpmPayloads
> 
> 
> -Inline Attachment Follows-

Yes, But I must ask again, rpm is using xz compression, but can it be 
recompressed again with xz, xz is already present in Fedora 11/Fedora 12/Fedora 
13 Alpha/Fedora Rawhide and 7zip can open/extract the files too.   The rpms are 
xz compressed but the isos are not.  That is what I am asking, or is it too 
much compression?  When is so much too much?

Thanks for taking the time to answer :)

Regards,

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Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Antonio Olivares  wrote:

> From: Antonio Olivares 
> Subject: Re: lzma compression on official isos vs Deltaisos
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:35 PM
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Andre Robatino 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Andre Robatino 
> > Subject: lzma compression on official isos vs
> Deltaisos
> > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 8:31 PM
> > Starting with Fedora 12, RPM packages
> > are compressed using XZ instead of
> > gzip.  As a result, the F12 ISOs are smaller:
> > 
> > F11 DVD sizes (bytes):
> > i386: 3683829760
> > ppc: 4606894080
> > x86_64: 4268124160
> > 
> > F12 DVD sizes (bytes):
> > i386: 3204427776
> > ppc: 3738935296
> > x86_64: 3537600512
> > 
> > See
> > 
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XZRpmPayloads
> > 
> > 
> > -Inline Attachment Follows-
> 
> Yes, But I must ask again, rpm is using xz compression, but
> can it be recompressed again with xz, xz is already present
> in Fedora 11/Fedora 12/Fedora 13 Alpha/Fedora Rawhide and
> 7zip can open/extract the files too.   The
> rpms are xz compressed but the isos are not.  That is
> what I am asking, or is it too much compression?  When
> is so much too much?
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to answer :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Antonio 

Andre/others on list,

The question is why doesn't Fedora use xz compression on the isos like 
TeXLive2009 did it with their isos?  If they were to be done like that how does 
the compression match vs the Deltaisos that you kindly provide for many Fedora 
users?  

I ma sorry if I was not clear in my original question.

Regards,

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Re: Is KDE dead ? Was Re: Stable Release Updates

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 3/13/10, mike cloaked  wrote:

> From: mike cloaked 
> Subject: Re: Is KDE dead ? Was Re: Stable Release Updates
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:45 PM
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Gene
> Heskett 
> wrote:
> 
> > FWIW, I am happily running the last kde-4 stuff you
> shipped to F10.  Other
> > than I can crash kmail by standing on the + key for a
> while, it hasn't
> > dirtied its playground ever.  However, one of the
> more recent updates managed
> > to kill OOo-3.2 and I had to remove it completely and
> re-install it to get
> > the office menu's back.  Used to be that could be
> edited by mere mortals, but
> 
> What is the view of current users of KDE 4.4.0 in
> F12?  Is it now a
> really good desktop that has everything a user could wish
> for, easily
> customisable, and good support for plasma widgets,
> customised desktop
> icons to launch programs, and easy to navigate to what you
> want to
> run?
> 
> -- 
> mike c
> -- 

I'll tell you my unbiased $0.02 of the trend.

1) I don't have a problem with either Gnome/KDE I have both on my machines and 
use either one, but lately I have been using KDE a little more

2)  In Fedora 9, KDE was unusable, even though I tested it in rawhide and got 
to know its ins and outs a bit.  Also the machine I wanted to use it in, KDE 
simply did not load, for Fedora 10, the same story, so I used GNOME there on 
that machine.  Now that machine which did not like KDE on Fedora 9, Fedora 10, 
it ran KDE for Fedora 11 for a little while now it is running rawhide and has 
KDE and it is working beautifully except:

(1) that nepo crap is annoying
(2) Good that Fedora 12 has kept using k3b 1.0.5 because the k3b 1.68, k3b 1.70 
are not *that good*, only thing I see working well is kile 2.0.b3 and still 
beta.  The k3b does not see the audio codecs and gives me the mp3 error 
frequently(it is problem on Rawhide though) on Fedora 12 this is fine. 
(3) The old KDE 3.5.X Digital clock is still missed, The new clock is OK, I 
know it is *JUST a CLOCK*, but I really liked the old one as opposed to the one 
that is out there.  There's not much I can do, because BUGZILLA, RFE's, 
whatever, people dont give a fsck about a clock and I wish more people would 
join me and ask for the old digital clock which looked beautiful as opposed to 
the one that is present.  

GNOME is at a comfort zone as I run it on one machine, but *WE DON'T KNOW WHAT 
WILL HAPPEN* when Gnome decides to test out a major change(s), hope it is not 
like the switch to KDE 4.0 because it was not FUN :(

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: texlive 2009

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 3/14/10, Mail Llists  wrote:

> From: Mail Llists 
> Subject: Re: texlive 2009
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 8:54 PM
> On 03/01/2010 04:49 PM, Berkin Malkoc
> wrote:
> > 
> > Bonjour Monsieur Patte,
> > 
> > I hope this is not a trivial answer.
> > 
> > To install latest TexLive (2009), I simply went to
> > http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html and
> after the
> > download, just followed the instructions which were
> pointed to on the
> > same page.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Berkin
> 
> 
>   One little issue - the only gui editor I saw was
> texmaker (are there
> others ?).
>
There is texworks, but it installs only on windows :(, I tried building it on 
Fedora 12, but it fails.  It is a simple editor, but IMHO kile and texmaker are 
better.  There are others, but YMMV.  
> 
>If you install the texmaker rpm from the
> texmaker website - then yum
> will want to update it - and then the fedora texmaker will
> want to
> install fedora texlive ...
> 
>   So if you use the rpm from texmaker - you'll need to
> exclude texmaker
> from yum.conf.
> 
>   Anyone got a better way - or a better editor ?
> -- 

You can build kile-2.0-b3 kile 2.0 beta 3 and build from source using cmake and 
instructions provided.

The same thing happened to me, and I had to exclude texmaker when updating.  

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: [OT] Deafening silence

[Antonio Olivares]

> Please, someone, please trigger
> Godwin's law with this thread...
> It's so close...
> 
> -- 
> [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r
> 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
> 

What is Goodwin's law?  I only know about the "Law of Sines" and the "Law of 
Cosines" :)

Right on topic here, at Distrowatch there is a litte Fedora section about 
interesting & new features please check it out (*if and when you guys have a 
chance*)

http://linuxers.org/article/some-cool-features-fedora-13-goddard

Regards,

Antonio 

oliva...@darkstar:~$ uname -a
Linux darkstar 2.6.33-smp #2 SMP Sat Feb 27 20:12:16 CST 2010 i686 AMD 
Athlon(tm) Processor 2650e AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux



  
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Re: [OT] Deafening silence

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> From: Patrick O'Callaghan 
> Subject: Re: [OT] Deafening silence
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:13 AM
> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 08:43 -0700,
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 11:08 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan
> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 08:16 -0700, Antonio
> Olivares wrote:
> > > > What is Goodwin's law?  I only know
> about the "Law of Sines" and the
> > > > "Law of Cosines" :)
> > > 
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law
> > > 
> > 
> > I took his smiley to mean that he knew exactly what it
> was but didn't
> > see the need to go down that road.
> 
> Since he misspelt it I thought he possibly didn't know what
> it was.
> 
> poc
> 
> 
> -- 

That was it!  I searched for Goodwin's Law and did not find anything relevant, 
Google told me are you looking for Godwin's Law and I did not click that link :(

I did misspell it :(, It is OK!!!  Thanks for the link.   I guess the thread is 
still alive, no one has mentioned the premise for Godwin's Law right?

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Rolling Release Model(s), Fedora Discussion

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow Fedora users,

At distrowatch there is some discussion whether Fedora would become a "Rolling 
Release" like Arch.  See:

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100315

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8716234495.html

Also Fedora has this page:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_release_updates_vision

There are many great ideas over there, maybe just maybe these changes will make 
a bigger difference?

I like the Fedora version that never quits, never dies^{1}, but not everyone 
goes that route.  Cheers!

Would Fedora users accept a rolling release model?  IT would be nice to setup 
an internet poll to see what many Fedora users have to say?   

Regards,

Antonio

{1}  Fedora Rawhide, it has become a distribution on its own, or so some say at 
Distrowatch.  Fedora 13 Branched, Fedora 11 Updates, Fedora 12 Updates, there 
are many updates


  
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Re: Rolling Release Model(s), Fedora Discussion

[Antonio Olivares]

> > > I look forward to a clean start every six months
> 
> > > 20 minute install - pleasure getting it back to
> how I like it !!
> 
> > >
> 
> > > John
> 
> > Obviously you don't use your machine for anything
> resembling work.
> 
> > I tend to wait for up to half a year past the new
> release for all the
> 
> > bugs to be worked out. Radeon support, for instance,
> was nonexistent a
> 
> > few releases back. And don't get me started on the
> toy version of KDE.
> 
> There is some truth in your statement re work however
> 
> its easy to have separate partitions for each release
> 
> as small as 20GB is OK, then on a 500GB disk you can keep
> 
> 20 previous releases and boot them as required!
> 
> /home, /global, ... on a Centos 5.4 server gives you the
> stability
> 
> you desire.
> 
> Yes I had problems with F12 nvidia and a few other things
> 
> but in general Fedora supports the latest hardware and is
> almost
> 
> always running smoothly in pretty quick time.
> 
> The amount of effort put into each release always amazes
> me.
> 
> If real stability was your aim then you wouldn't be
> using Fedora !
>
> John
> 
> --

> I beg to differ - out of all the
> distros I've tried, and am still trying being a distro
> hopper, I've found overall Fedora to be the most stable
> when using the latest release (without anything such as
> testing, rawhide or similar enabled on any, where
> available)
> 
> Debian comes a close second, but only until you move up to
> Squeeze/Sid which is when the trouble starts for me. Fedora
> is more stable than that.
> 
> 
> -Inline Attachment Follows-

While Fedora is stable most of the time even rawhide *where some updates like 
kernel xorg break some functionality*, I would hate to disagree with your 
statement.  Some folks will dispute that Fedora is more stable than say Arch?,  
which BTW does provide a rolling release model.

I can say that Slackware is more stable(INMHO) and still has a newer kernel 
than Fedora 2.6.33 and Fedora is at 2.6.32.9-? ,  Fedora had a reputation that 
it is not living up to, except Rawhide :)  They are at a point, where they are 
sacrificing latest and greatest vs. Stability.  

It is good that Fedora is stable, when one does not mess much with it^{1} :)

Regards,

Antonio 

{1} Running Updates testing, running too many repos, & have proprietary stuff 
running, ATI Radeon that are not supported well, etc.



  
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Re: KDE Plasmoid regressions?

[Antonio Olivares]

> In KDE 4.3 I sort of remember I had all this set up right,
> but since
> 4.4.0 it reverted automatically to these weird defaults,
> while
> appropriate options in plasmoids settings have been
> removed?! This is
> happening on both F11 and F12.
> 
> Or am I missing something obvious?
> 
> 

Don't think you are missing anything :(, I noticed too that Display settings 
are no longer there when I want the screen to blank, I had it setup to 2 
minutes, and now it takes a while to blank by itself :(, somehow defaults came 
back?

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: KDE Plasmoid regressions?

[Antonio Olivares]

> > Don't think you are missing anything :(, I noticed too
> that Display settings are no longer there when I want the
> screen to blank, I had it setup to 2 minutes, and now it
> takes a while to blank by itself :(, somehow defaults came
> back?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Antonio
> >
> >
> >
> 
> Hi,
> 
> check you standy/suspend options with xset -q after that
> 
> try system settings -> Advanced -> Power Management:
> 
> In general settings :
> check Let PowerDevil manage screen powersaving
> select "Perfomance" in the option when AC adaptor is
> plugged in
> 
> In edit profiles:
> select Performance after that select screen tab
> there activate Enable display power management
> and change standby and/or suspend time options
> 
> regards,
> 
> Gabriel
> -- 


Thank you very much Gabriel.  Now it is behaving like I had it :)

Regards,

Antonio

[oliva...@localhost ~]$ uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686.PAE #1 SMP Wed Mar 3 04:57:21 
UTC 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux



  
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How to remove non-Fedora kernels?

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow Fedora users,

Is thare a way one can remove non Fedora kernels manually, i.e, remove 

/boot/vmlinux-2.?

and 

/usr/src/linux-2.???
or 
/lib/modules/2.6./.


I have compiled two kernels and none of them work as well as Fedora kernel, I 
can't compile modules against them.  

I have compiled 2.6.33.1 kernel from kernel.org, I get bootsplash but booting 
takes longer than Fedora 2.6.32-9 kernel :(,, it has bigger intramfs? see here:

[r...@localhost boot]# ls -l
total 156274
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root   103728 2010-01-18 14:19 
config-2.6.31.12-174.2.3.fc12.i686.PAE
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root   103723 2009-12-21 00:19 
config-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686.PAE
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root   106746 2010-03-02 23:11 
config-2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686.PAE
drwxr-xr-x. 3 root root 1024 2009-11-20 18:53 efi
drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 1024 2010-03-19 18:47 grub
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 11355779 2010-01-23 15:58 
initramfs-2.6.31.12-174.2.3.fc12.i686.PAE.img
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 11344187 2009-12-27 15:47 
initramfs-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686.PAE.img
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 12415536 2010-03-12 18:02 
initramfs-2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686.PAE.img
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 95700934 2010-03-19 18:36 initramfs-2.6.33.1.img
-rw---. 1 root root  3560588 2010-01-23 13:21 initrd-2.6.30.img
drwx--. 2 root root12288 2009-11-20 18:38 lost+found
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root   25 2010-03-19 18:34 System.map -> 
/boot/System.map-2.6.33.1
-rw-rw-r--. 1 root root  1381544 2010-01-23 13:21 System.map-2.6.30
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  1488919 2010-01-18 14:19 
System.map-2.6.31.12-174.2.3.fc12.i686.PAE
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  1488752 2009-12-21 00:19 
System.map-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686.PAE
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  1669067 2010-03-02 23:11 
System.map-2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686.PAE
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  1634525 2010-03-19 18:34 System.map-2.6.33.1
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root   22 2010-03-19 18:34 vmlinuz -> 
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.33.1
-rw-rw-r--. 1 root root  3424848 2010-01-23 13:21 vmlinuz-2.6.30
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  3461952 2010-01-18 14:19 
vmlinuz-2.6.31.12-174.2.3.fc12.i686.PAE 
  
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  3461728 2009-12-21 00:19 
vmlinuz-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.i686.PAE  
  
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  3645024 2010-03-02 23:11 
vmlinuz-2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686.PAE   
  
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root  3628736 2010-03-19 18:34 vmlinuz-2.6.33.1


Thanks in Advance,

Antonio


  
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Re: How to remove non-Fedora kernels?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 3/20/10, Robert Nichols  wrote:

> From: Robert Nichols 
> Subject: Re: How to remove non-Fedora kernels?
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 9:01 AM
> On 03/19/2010 11:21 PM, Peter Boy
> wrote:
> > Am Freitag, den 19.03.2010, 20:41 -0700 schrieb
> Antonio Olivares:
> >> Is thare a way one can remove non Fedora kernels
> manually, i.e, remove
> >>
> >> /boot/vmlinux-2.?
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> /usr/src/linux-2.???
> >> or
> >> /lib/modules/2.6./.
> >
> >
> > I used just to delete the files using a terminal as
> root, provided you
> > didn't install them using rpm (rm -f
> /boot/vmlinux-2.??? and all related
> > files as initrd-2.???, config-2.???. System.map-2.???,
> etc). And you
> > have to adjust /boot/grub/menu.lst by remobing the
> lines no longer
> > valid.
> >
> > Or do I miss something?
> 
> You've missed /lib/modules/{deleted_kernel_version} . 
> That's using
> quite a bit more space than the stuff in /boot .
> 
> -- 
> Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is really part
> of my email address.
>  
>Do NOT delete it.
> 
> -- 

Thanks Bob & all others who have responded.

This is what I did:

rm -rf /boot/vmlinux-of-kernels-that-I-wanted-to-remove
rm -rf /boot/intramfs/initrd-of-kernels-that-I-wanted-to-remove
rm -rf /boot/System_maps-of-kernels-that-I-wanted-to-remove
rm -rf /lib/modules/kernel-that-I-wanted-to-remove

and that appears to remove the kernels :)

I wonder what has changed/happened, before I could trim kernels from kernel.org 
a little bit, but now they are bigger and bigger even than Fedora's :(, Tried 
building a kernel seed according to 

http://www.kernel-seeds.org/working.html

Kernel took longer to boot than usual, and many files linux.h were missing to 
build modules against it.  I have built kernels before, and *am wondering what 
is happening* now?

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: How to remove linux partition

[Antonio Olivares]

   
> I've not had to mess with Windows partitions much...but I
> don't recall
> the Linux tools being much good at fiddling with NTFS.
> 
> It would be my suggestion to get a copy of "Partition
> Magic".  Its a
> good Windows utility that can be had for a "good price" if
> you know
> where to look.
> 

I am sadly disagreeing with the above advice :(

The linux tools have greatly improved.  The OP has many choices

1) use the "Manage" options directly from windows and resize the disk there 
using Microsoft's own tools.

2) use Gparted LiveCD/SystemRescueCD/PartedMagic/ plain old cfdisk from any 
linux live cd and delete the partition then extend it like Patrick and others 
have suggested

3) Your own solution(pay some $ for Partition Magic or get a trial copy, ...?) 

I would take option (2) most of the time if not all the time :)  
The linux tools are getting better and better with each release (there are 
exceptions of course^{1})

Regards,

Antonio 

^{1} bugs with Gparted 0.5.2 or 0.5.1 not correctly doing something with disk 
operations, but older version work(s,ed) 


  
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Re: N wifi broke after kernel update

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Wed, 3/31/10, Mail Lists  wrote:

> From: Mail Lists 
> Subject: N  wifi broke after kernel update
> To: "Fedora." 
> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 6:15 PM
> 
>   Wireless stopped working after latest kernel
> update.
> 
>   It connects and works fine using wired/
> 
>   It connects and works fine with wireless until I use
> it for more than
> a host check and a ping check.
> 
>   Shortly after trying to use the connection (heavy
> load from chrome
> restoring a lot of saved tabs) - it stops = NM thinks its
> ok - ifconfig
> wlan0 shows it has an ip - iwconfig looks normal.
> 
>However I cannot ping the default route
> any longer.
> 
>/var/log/messages shows nothing iwlagn
> related - no oops etc
>wpa_supplicant remains quiet.
> 
> 
>rebooting produces same result with 
> kernel is 2.6.32.10-90 (x86_64).
> 
>rmmod iwlagn; modprobe iwlagn ===>
> does not revive it.
> 
>Booting back to older 
> kernel-2.6.9-70 works fine - so problem is
> only in the newer kernel.
> 
>I did not see this using same computer
> earlier on a 802.11g network -
> so it seesm its only with N.
> 
> 
> Filed bug:  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578663
> 
>   gene
> 
> 
> 
> -- 

Gene,

Out of curiosity, did you check ipv6 settings?  You might have only ipv4 
network, and ipv6 settings are enabled by default?

I had such a case and I was cursing the new kernels, I wanted to write bug 
reports and do a bunch of things, I went to the Administrator of the network 
and blamed it on him, because wired connections would work and this one would 
not , I checked the settings again and again, several times over, saw the ipv6 
check and removed it and solved the problem by myself :) I hope a solution like 
this is possible for you, if not, I still tried and shared my story.

Regards,

Antonio 



  
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Will Fedora PowerPC support?

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear Fellow Fedora users,

In light of all the postings, there is one that has not been discussed:

http://www.osnews.com/story/23071/GNU_Linux_Distros_Silently_Drop_PowerPC

Apparently PowerPC support is silently going away, even for Fedora 13, since 
there was no announcement and checking on Craig's link to 75% of the code from 
kernel is paid, I saw this and sent it as a heads up.

Hope Fedora lets it PowerPC users know about this.

Regards,

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What is in include/linux/kernel.h line 158

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear folks, 

I have encountered this so called sleeping function several times in a good 
while (kernel 2.6.27, 2.6.29, 2.6.30, 2.6.31, 2.6.32) Fedora based kernels and 
compiled kernels from kernel.org, 

I am asking this because I see this again and again.  I would like to know what 
is in there so if I can do something about it, or just live with it since it 
appears to be harmless, but anyhow it is annoying :(  

BUG: sleeping function called from invalid context at include/linux/kernel.h:158
in_atomic(): 0, irqs_disabled(): 1, pid: 9713, name: slmodemd
Pid: 9713, comm: slmodemd Tainted: P   2.6.32.10-90.fc12.i686.PAE #1
Call Trace:
 [] __might_sleep+0xca/0xd1
 [] might_fault+0x19/0x20
 [] copy_to_user+0x34/0x10a
 [] amrmo_read+0x50/0x66 [slamr]
 [] ? amrmo_read+0x0/0x66 [slamr]
 [] vfs_read+0x82/0xe1
 [] ? path_put+0x1a/0x1d
 [] sys_read+0x40/0x62
 [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x28


Regards.

Antonio


  
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firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear fellow Fedora users,

\begin{rant}
I have tried to use firefox on/off for a while, and I know since it is 
opensource, Fedora will stick with it even though it has become a big and ugly 
resource taker :(.

The other day I was giving it a chance and browsing the web happily, and then 
all of a sudden my machine died on me, I could not move the mouse, I could not 
CTRL+ALT+F2 to get a terminal(since CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE was removed by 
Xorg(thanks guys)) I could not normally do anything leaving me no choice but to 
PRESS AND HOLD POWER BUTTON till the machine shut down.  Several days later I 
see abrt kick in telling about the Sleeping function error(see other post), and 
luckily abrt captured it:  

BUG: soft lockup - CPU#3 stuck for 61s! [firefox:3100]
Modules linked in: ppp_deflate zlib_deflate ppp_async crc_ccitt ppp_generic 
slhc fuse Intel536 slamr(P) ungrab_winmodem sunrpc cpufreq_ondemand 
acpi_cpufreq ip6t_REJECT nf_conntrack_ipv6 ip6table_filter ip6_tables ipv6 
uinput snd_hda_codec_analog arc4 ecb snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec r8169 mii 
snd_hwdep snd_seq snd_seq_device snd_pcm iTCO_wdt i2c_i801 snd_timer 
iTCO_vendor_support snd soundcore snd_page_alloc rtl8187 mac80211 asus_atk0110 
cfg80211 rfkill eeprom_93cx6 sky2 pata_acpi firewire_ohci ata_generic 
firewire_core dm_multipath crc_itu_t usb_storage pata_jmicron nouveau ttm 
drm_kms_helper drm i2c_algo_bit i2c_core [last unloaded: microcode]
Pid: 3100, comm: firefox Ta"Community support for Fedora users" 

inted: P   (2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686.PAE #1) P5K Deluxe
EIP: 0060:[] EFLAGS: 00200297 CPU: 3
EIP is at _spin_lock_bh+0x20/0x27
EAX: efe22000 EBX: f2edb470 ECX:  EDX: 6c6b
ESI: c09d2928 EDI: 0002 EBP: efe23cbc ESP: efe23cb8
DS: 007b ES: 007b FS: 00d8 GS: 00e0 SS: 0068
CR0: 8005003b CR2: b6b2b000 CR3: 2d57e000 CR4: 06f0
DR0:  DR1:  DR2:  DR3: 
DR6: 0ff0 DR7: 0400
Call Trace:
[] lock_sock_nested+0x31/0xad
[] lock_sock+0xf/0x11
[] tcp_recvmsg+0x1a/0x84a
[] sock_common_recvmsg+0x36/0x4b
[] __sock_recvmsg+0x56/0x60
[] sock_recvmsg+0xbe/0xd5
[] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x34
[] ? touch_atime+0xd2/0xeb
[] sys_recvfrom+0xc1/0x126
[] ? do_sync_read+0xae/0xe9
[] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x34
[] sys_recv+0x1d/0x1f
[] sys_socketcall+0x10d/0x195
[] ? audit_syscall_exit+0xff/0x114
[] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x28

I submitted it and it says it went to the kernel and not to FIREFOX.  How sad 
it was a kernel oops and not a FIREFOX oops.  I beg to differ.  

Still despite not agreeing with everything in Fedora's philosophy, I do have to 
thank the KDE devs, Rex Dieter, Kevin Koffler, ... and others who I don't know 
for their work with KDE.  I have been happily using konqueror for a while (no 
flash, no proprietary stuff) just plain old konqueror the way Fedora and other 
distributions package it.  It would be great that more people give konqueror a 
chance and stop giving FIREFOX all of their divided supported.  It is not that 
great, it has grown but not getting better, just bigger and not leaner, maybe 
it needs to be put on a DIET.

\end{rant}

Regards,

Antonio 

P.S.
If you need to send this rant to /dev/null, you are welcome to do so.
Just remember that konqueror is THE ONE browser that deserves my respect and my 
loyalty.  If I need another browser, I will use Opera because it does not do 
bad things like firefox even though it is not OPEN SOURCE.   
Also,
I am a happy Fedora user since Fedora 2 and have used every version since at 
home and at work, I have found ways around my difficulties and the folks here 
have been tremdously helpful and have no regrets using it.  I am only 
disapointed in Firefox not Fedora.   


  
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Re: firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Temlakos  wrote:

> From: Temlakos 
> Subject: Re: firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 2:00 PM
> On 04/10/2010 04:51 PM, Rahul
> Sundaram wrote:
> > On 04/11/2010 02:13 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> >
> >> Dear fellow Fedora users,
> >>
> >> \begin{rant}
> >> I have tried to use firefox on/off for a while,
> and I know since it is opensource, Fedora will stick with it
> even though it has become a big and ugly resource taker :(.
> >>
> >> The other day I was giving it a chance and
> browsing the web happily, and then all of a sudden my
> machine died on me, I could not move the mouse, I could not
> CTRL+ALT+F2 to get a terminal(since CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE was
> removed by Xorg(thanks guys))
> >>  
> > This functionality was disabled by default but never
> removed.
> >
> >
> >> I submitted it and it says it went to the kernel
> and not to FIREFOX.  How sad it was a kernel oops and
> not a FIREFOX oops.  I beg to differ.
> >>
> >>  
> > What you have shown is quite clearly a kernel bug
> although Firefox might
> > have triggered it.  It seems a misdirected rant
> to me.
> >
> > Rahul
> >
> 
> The kernel has had this very odd bug since version
> 2.6.32.10, but once 
> even 2.6.32.9 did it--though it had not done this before I
> used 
> 2.6.32.10 for the first time. And it happened just a couple
> of hours or 
> so ago with 2.6.32.11. And it usually happens when I have
> Firefox 
> running, especially in the foreground, and move the cursor
> to the bottom 
> of the screen to reveal the panel, which I keep hidden.
> 
> But I have not been able to capture any debugging
> information.
> 
> I happen to think that Firefox does a lot of things for me
> that 
> Konqueror cannot handle. For example, Konqueror cannot
> handle the many 
> Java scripts that, say, Digg.com has. "Digging," even when
> I am logged 
> on, always seems to go nowhere in Konqueror.
> 
> Temlakos
> -- 

Bless you sir!  I am thankful that I am not the only one that this has happened 
to.  

It would be nice that konqueror become more feature rich to accomodate those 
Java scripts that you mention in Digg, but that has to come from upstream I 
believe(KDE.org itself) and in no way blame Fedora packagers for it, right?

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Rahul Sundaram  wrote:

> From: Rahul Sundaram 
> Subject: Re: firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Cc: "Antonio Olivares" 
> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:51 PM
> On 04/11/2010 02:13 AM, Antonio
> Olivares wrote:
> > Dear fellow Fedora users,
> >
> > \begin{rant}
> > I have tried to use firefox on/off for a while, and I
> know since it is opensource, Fedora will stick with it even
> though it has become a big and ugly resource taker :(.
> >
> > The other day I was giving it a chance and browsing
> the web happily, and then all of a sudden my machine died on
> me, I could not move the mouse, I could not CTRL+ALT+F2 to
> get a terminal(since CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE was removed by
> Xorg(thanks guys))
> This functionality was disabled by default but never
> removed.  
> 
> > I submitted it and it says it went to the kernel and
> not to FIREFOX.  How sad it was a kernel oops and not a
> FIREFOX oops.  I beg to differ.  
> >   
> 
> What you have shown is quite clearly a kernel bug although
> Firefox might
> have triggered it.  It seems a misdirected rant to
> me.
> 
> Rahul
> 

Things were and have been working great, no crashes just the unharmful oops 
that I have shown SLEEPING BUG, but just when I tried to give firefox a chance 
this happens.  Firefox did trigger it, that is the problem, thus the rant.  I 
am sorry if you took it wrong

> It seems a misdirected rant to
> me.

Do you package firefox?  if you do, I am sorry, but I still don't like the way 
it has been behaving.  Sorry if you take it in a bad way.  I just vented my 
frustrations.  Guess I needed to have it out of my system.  I needed a breath 
of fresh air.  I am doing better now.  Thanks.

Regards,

Antonio  


  
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device 10b9:5459 is grabbed by driver serial: try to release

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear all,

I am unfortunately a user of a modem(winmodem) that has to use proprietary 
drivers(no opensource drivers exist, even though the kernel tries to help^{1})


05:02.0 Modem: ALi Corporation SmartLink SmartPCI561 56K Modem


[oliva...@localhost ~]$ dmesg | grep 'slamr'
slamr: module license 'Smart Link Ltd.' taints kernel.
slamr: SmartLink AMRMO modem.
slamr: probe 10b9:5459 SL1800 card...
slamr :05:02.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
slamr: mc97 codec is SIL26
slamr: slamr0 is SL1800 card.
 [] amrmo_read+0x50/0x66 [slamr]
 [] ? amrmo_read+0x0/0x66 [slamr]
[oliva...@localhost ~]$ dmesg | grep 'grab'
device 10b9:5459 is grabbed by driver serial: try 
http://modemhelplinux.741.com/slmodemd-setup-1.htmlto release

I have to get a code written by Sasha K. original author of slmodem-2.9.X code 
which one uses to get connection in Linux.  For kernels > 2.6.9 or so, we have 
to use ungrab-winmodem-.tar.gz code:

For now it is 

http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smartlink/ungrab-winmodem-20090716.tar.gz

a couple of patches have been added to make it better.  

and for a good while the code for the modem was not working after kernel 2.6.31 
was released, but thanks to Yair a person on LinModems mailing list, a fix was 
pushed so that one could connect with Linux and kernels > 2.6.31.  

http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/smartlink/slmodem-2.9.11-20100303.tar.gz

See this page for more information if needed:
http://modemhelplinux.741.com/slmodemd-setup-1.html

Anyway, to make a LONG STORY short, is there a way to let kernel developers 
know (kindly) that they are trying to help support this device, but since their 
is no functionality it is of no use and we users would be grateful if they 
apply a fix if possible.  It will not matter if they don't fix it since we have 
a workaround, but since 2.6.9 kernels till the present several users have had 
to use the workaround when before things just worked)  

Thanks for your consideration and if this message is also bad like the 
other(s), just redirect it to /dev/null

Regards,

Antonio 

{1} device 10b9:5459 is grabbed by driver serial: try to release


  
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Re: firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.

[Antonio Olivares]

> > Do you package firefox?  if you do, I am sorry,
> but I still don't like the way it has been behaving.
> >   
> 
> Nope and while I understand you don't like Firefox, 
> kernel oopses are
> usually a kernel issue regardless of the program triggering
> it.   You
> should just file it against the Red Hat bugzilla, against
> the kernel.
> 
> Rahul
> 

Fair enough.
I sent it via abrt, but I don't know for sure where it went?  I used my 
Bugzilla account though.

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: NRG

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Michael Miles  wrote:

> From: Michael Miles 
> Subject: NRG
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 6:00 PM
> Hey all
> 
> I am having an awful time converting .nrg audio cd image to
> iso
> 
> I am using the latest nrg2iso but it says iso not 9660
> standard.
> 
> Is there a program that works?
> 
> I have looked up nrg2iso and some people just cant get it
> to work while 
> others have some success
> 
> The program writes the iso but it is not iso9660
> 
> Michael Miles
> 
> 
> -- 

Which version are you using?

The version here is v0.4 
http://gregory.kokanosky.free.fr/v4/linux/nrg2iso.en.html

The wikipedia has the above link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRG_(file_format)

Which errors do you see?

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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RE: NRG

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Joseph L. Casale  wrote:

> From: Joseph L. Casale 
> Subject: RE: NRG
> To: "'Community support for Fedora users'" 
> Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 6:12 PM
> >I am having an awful time
> converting .nrg audio cd image to iso
> >
> >I am using the latest nrg2iso but it says iso not 9660
> standard.
> 
> Well, you're bound to continue having an awful time.
> 
> Audio discs are not ISO9660 afaik...
> -- 

Sadly, you are right.  Did not notice *audio cd* part :(

> converting .nrg audio cd image to iso

You burst the bubble.

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: modprobe problem

[Antonio Olivares]

What version of Fedora are you using?

 


-Inline Attachment Follows-

-- 

Looks like Fedora 12:

From
 /lib/modules/2.6.32.10-90.fc12.i686

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: modprobe problem

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, François Patte  wrote:

> From: François Patte 
> Subject: Re: modprobe problem
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 10:48 AM
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Le 11/04/2010 19:24, Adel ESSAFI a écrit :
> > Thanks for replay
> > 
> > [r...@localhost stk11xx-2.1.0]# cp
> /home/adel/stk11xx-2.1.0/stk11xx.ko
> >
> /lib/modules/2.6.32.10-90.fc12.i686/kernel/drivers/media/video/
> > [r...@localhost stk11xx-2.1.0]# modprobe stk11xx
> fps=30
> > FATAL: Module stk11xx not found.
> 
> I think that you should execute depmod -a once you have
> installed the
> new module at the right place, then you try modprobe
> 
> - --

Excellent suggestion.  That should take care of the problem if the module 
installed correctly.

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: firefox

[Antonio Olivares]

> >> I don't have any memory problems with
> Firefox.  I am also uninterested
> >> in switching to a proprietary browser.  I
> have Chromium running on my
> >> system to evaluate progress.
> >> 
> >   Whatever works for you ... chromium
> has some problems however so not a
> > good test of google-chrome
> 
> Chromium is upstream for Google Chrome.  So it is only
> a snapshot of
> development that determines whether one has a problem the
> other does
> not.  Chrome also has a very unacceptable EULA. 
> I am sure most users
> just clicked through that without thinking about it
> however. 
> 
> Rahul
> 
> -- 


I confirm what you post.  There's a EULA that one has to accept :(, We need to 
read carefully between the lines and the fine print too.  Sadly even though 
there was HTML 5 introduced, the use of flash and other properietary crap is 
very hard to remove, that and Microsoft Silverlight needed to play videos on 
certain websites.  Maybe one day ... 
Well not going to be soon though :(   

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: Need help with clamav-0.96

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Steven W. Orr  wrote:

> From: Steven W. Orr 
> Subject: Need help with clamav-0.96
> To: "Fedora List" 
> Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 7:55 PM
> I'm running F10 so I can't expect
> much help, but the 0.94 version of clamav is
> about to go defunct. I successfully built 0.96 but now when
> I start it up I
> get this message:
> 
> [r...@saturn test]# clamscan --debug clam-v*.rar sendme
> LibClamAV debug: searching for unrar, user-searchpath:
> /usr/lib
> LibClamAV debug: searching for unrar:
> libclamunrar_iface.so.6.1.2 not found
> LibClamAV debug: searching for unrar:
> libclamunrar_iface.so.6 not found
> LibClamAV debug: searching for unrar: libclamunrar_iface.so
> not found
> LibClamAV debug: searching for unrar: libclamunrar_iface.a
> not found
> LibClamAV Warning: Cannot dlopen libclamunrar_iface: file
> not found - unrar
> support unavailable
> 
> The funny thinng is that
> 
> *582 > ls -l /usr/lib/libclamunrar_iface.so*
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Apr 10 23:16
> /usr/lib/libclamunrar_iface.so ->
> libclamunrar_iface.so.6.1.2
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Apr 10 23:16
> /usr/lib/libclamunrar_iface.so.6 ->
> libclamunrar_iface.so.6.1.2
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8024 Apr  9 22:18
> /usr/lib/libclamunrar_iface.so.6.1.2
> 
> So, basically, I have no idea where to proceed. If anyone
> has a suggestion,
> I'd be grateful.
> 
> TIA
> 
> -- 
> Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana.
> Stranger things have  .0.
> happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's
> license say Organ ..0
> Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to
> me! We are all- 000
> individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question?
> steveo at syslang.net
> 
> 
> -Inline Attachment Follows-

Try running 
# ldconfig

and see if that helps?

Regards,

Antonio 

[oliva...@localhost ~]$ uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.32.10-90.fc12.i686.PAE #1 SMP Tue Mar 23 
10:04:28 UTC 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux



  
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Re: What is in include/linux/kernel.h line 158

[Antonio Olivares]

 
- Original Message 
From: Matt Domsch 
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 1:28:37 PM
Subject: Re: What is in include/linux/kernel.h line 158

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 01:29:08PM -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> Dear folks, 
> 
> I have encountered this so called sleeping function several times in a good 
> while (kernel 2.6.27, 2.6.29, 2.6.30, 2.6.31, 2.6.32) Fedora based kernels 
> and compiled kernels from kernel.org, 
> 
> I am asking this because I see this again and again.  I would like to know 
> what is in there so if I can do something about it, or just live with it 
> since it appears to be harmless, but anyhow it is annoying :(  
> 
> BUG: sleeping function called from invalid context at 
> include/linux/kernel.h:158
> in_atomic(): 0, irqs_disabled(): 1, pid: 9713, name: slmodemd
> Pid: 9713, comm: slmodemd Tainted: P          2.6.32.10-90.fc12.i686.PAE #1
> Call Trace:
>  [] __might_sleep+0xca/0xd1
>  [] might_fault+0x19/0x20
>  [] copy_to_user+0x34/0x10a
>  [] amrmo_read+0x50/0x66 [slamr]
>  [] ? amrmo_read+0x0/0x66 [slamr]
>  [] vfs_read+0x82/0xe1
>  [] ? path_put+0x1a/0x1d
>  [] sys_read+0x40/0x62
>  [] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x28

The source code to the slamr module (amrmo_read() function) is not
present in Fedora or kernel.org.  The BUG message is complaining that
something (the amrmo_read() function) has disabled interrupts (the
irqs_disabled(): 1 part of the message), while at the same time
calling a function (copy_to_user()) which can sleep (the process could
be unscheduled or mapped out at the moment copy_to_user() is called),
so you could wind up deadlocked (interrupts off so nothing to wake the
scheduler back up).

This is a bug in the slamr driver.

Thanks,
Matt

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-- 


Thank you Matt.  Yair from linmodems.org mailing list explained it carefully.  
I guess there is no choice but to live with it :(  
Smartlink no longer makes modems, but is still closed source, can't win them 
all :(

Regards,

Antonio 


  
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Re: Clamav

[Antonio Olivares]

> >> So the myth is just that, a myth
> >>  
> > IOW, when you run Windows apps, you get infected.
> Where's the myth? Did
> > your Linux system crash? Were any of your system files
> corrupted? Was
> > any of your non-Wine data leaked? Was your root
> password compromised?
> > Did anything happen that would still have happened if
> you weren't
> > running a Windows API?
> >
> > poc
> >
> >
> No, non of  linux was actually infected and not harmed
> in any way that I 
> can see.
> 
> My point is if wine is part of a Fedora install because it
> installs with 
> Fedora automatically it is part of the system in general.

Nope, Wine is not part of Fedora default install, it is packaged for Fedora and 
available through yum
# yum install wine

> 
> Considering the way it works I really dont know why it is
> there is there 
> if it can be infected as easily as this.

Malware exists, it is frequent and if one is not careful, it could come in to 
any system.  But one has to be asking for it with Linux based and other Unix 
based operating systems.  Through wine, it can come in, but no harm was done 
right?

> 
> I have removed wine altogether.
> 
> Also I did have Clamav running with this machine and even
> after finding 
> the viruses with Avira, Clamav would not see them at all.

Maybe the ClamAV is looking for other types of virii not specific to windows.  

> 
> That to me does spell trouble if
> 1. A person is relying on linux reputation for not getting
> a virus then 
> does something dumb like using wine and getting infected.

This is like a user shooting (him/her)self on the foot.  

> 
> 2. Thinks that protection is needed and uses Clamav for
> that protection 
> and the software fails them by not finding the culprit
> 
> 
> I know one thing Avira free is staying on this machine for
> a while
> 
> 
> Better to be safe than sorry
> -- 


running wine on fedora or other linux based systems is something most people do 
and do not get infections.  What Patrick wrote is right on the money.  

> > IOW, when you run Windows apps, you get infected.
> Where's the myth? Did
> > your Linux system crash? Were any of your system files
> corrupted? Was
> > any of your non-Wine data leaked? Was your root
> password compromised?
> > Did anything happen that would still have happened if
> you weren't
> > running a Windows API?

It was not and you have stated that.  So all in all, it is not Fedora's fault 
it is between the user and wine;

Also as Bruno and others have pointed out, Selinux is there to protect us.  It 
can also let you know that somethings are going on and that somewhere a file 
was mislabeled and , the setroubleshoot star appears and guides you to find 
solutions and where the solution offered does not work, you may report the 
issue on selinux list, bugzilla, etc.  You may also disable it like some other 
users have because it gets in the way too much!  But it is there to protect 
you, not to make your life miserable.  I have encountered difficulties with it 
too, and Mr. Dan Walsh, Tom London, and others have been very helpful and thus 
I can't complain about selinux.  

Regards,

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Re: Nvidia 3D

[Antonio Olivares]

Where do I go to get 3D drivers for Nvidia 6550 card

Running f12 on an HP DV6T

1 Gig Ram

250 Gig HD

Also how to install

Thanks
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You may get the the drivers from nvidia site, but the recommended way to get 
thim is through rpmfusion:

http://rpmfusion.org/Howto/nVidia

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Re: Clamav

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 4/18/10, Daniel B. Thurman  wrote:

> From: Daniel B. Thurman 
> Subject: Re: Clamav
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 11:37 AM
> On 04/15/2010 12:50 PM, Patrick
> O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 12:22 -0700, Michael Miles
> wrote:
> >   
> >> I have removed all and I will wait for proper
> instruction as I really
> >> do not know enough about this OS
> >> 
> > Given that you say so yourself, the logical question
> is "why do you need
> > Clamav"? Clamav is usually installed by people running
> mail servers for
> > users who access them from Windows.
> Where is the proof that an AV is not needed for Linux sans
> w-dozs,
> regardless of the pathways to infection?  ClamAV is
> not just for
> email-servers but for scanning infected drives.  The
> effectiveness
> of virus detection is only as good as the design and the
> latest virus
> database, and even then, there is no guarantee against
> newly created
> viruses and its variants, and one could argue "damned if
> you do, damned
> if you don't", but I could argue 'Tis better to reduce the
> chances of
> infection,
> than none at all'?
> > If all you're doing is reading mail in Linux, it's
> extremely unlikely
> > that you even need it. In 35 years of using first Unix
> and then Linux,
> > I have yet to see a single virus that wasn't a
> proof-of-concept demo.
> >   
> Again, experiences makes proof, not.  I prefer the
> data, please.
> > po
> 
> I have a fully installed, F-12 w/ SELinux including
> clamav,
> spamassassin and it has found several rejected virus
> infected
> incoming email messages. If I get one again, I will be
> happy to
> post what the viruses are, as I just don't remember. 
> Most of my
> viruses are coming from overseas, mostly cn and ru and via
> incoming email, not visited websites.  We are talking
> about AV,
> not malware or other modes of attacks.
> 
> As far as I know, clamav has not detected any infected
> local
> files but of course that does not mean there are NO
> viruses,
> just undetected ones, if any.
> 
> And no, I do not run doz via wine nor virtualbox, on this
> Linux email
> system and it has a separate public IP address apart from
> another
> email system, (W-doz) exchange, again on a separate public
> IP address.
> Neither one of these email servers, 'talks' to one or
> another, nor
> overlaps, they are mutually exclusive.  It is
> interesting to watch
> which of the two are infected and which is not.
> 
> FWIW,
> Dan
> 
> -- 

Dan,

The virii that hit Michael's machine were via wine.  In which case ClamAV did 
not find them, Avira did.  Most of your post is also correct.  If you have an 
email server it makes good sense to have antivirus to scan incoming 
mail/messages and also send clean messages as well.  

It you have Selinux, Antivirus, Firewall, all enabled and configured properly, 
virii should not make it into your machine but one is not entirely 100% safe :( 
 

Again, it depends on experiences that one has had/has and you summoned it up 
DAMMNED IF YOU DO, DAMMED IF YOU DON'T

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Re: Where is everything?

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--- On Sun, 5/2/10, terry  wrote:

> From: terry 
> Subject: Where is everything?
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 11:16 AM
> notice there is  look in
> /etc/etc/etc/.  or usr/root/where is it  or 
> some such file.  Is there a list that describes where
> all of this 
> knowledge is located to alleviate problems. Unless all
> distributions are 
> identical, 'get a good book on Linux' will not suffice.
> -- 

What do you mean by everything?

Which program are  you looking for?

Are you asking where does program A reside?

/etc/
vs
/usr/bin
vs
/opt
vs 
/sbin/

Is that what you are pointing to?  

And if you have a certain program that is not "there", you can install it, use 
yum from CLI(Command Line Interface) or Packagekit?

What is that "Everything that you can't find"?

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Four Tweaks for Gnome 3

[Antonio Olivares]

Dear folks,

For some users that still want to give Gnome 3.0 a chance, I found a site which 
explains ways to get some of the things that they liked in prior Gnome 
releases.  Please check it out and see if they are beneficial

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/06/howto-four-tweaks-to-bring-back-missing-functionality-in-gnome-30.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

Some folks have written nice tweaks and get some of the functionality back.  I 
hope that this message is not offensive to anyone and is taken in good terms.

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Re: Reset gnome 3?

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sat, 6/4/11, Neil  wrote:

From: Neil 
Subject: Re: Reset gnome 3?
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 7:06 AM

Hi, maybe you can remove the .gconf/ dir of your home dir, if you do not care 
about other settings
在 2011-6-4 下午5:39，"Gary Waters" 写道：
> On 06/03/2011 09:30 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:

>> On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 14:10 +0100, Ian Malone wrote:
>>> On 3 June 2011 13:15, Gary Waters  wrote:
 Is there some way to reset gnome 3's setttings? I have been googling

 around about tips and tweaks for gnome 3 and noticed I am missing a few
 things, such as "places," "recent documents," and the plus/minus signs
 at the bottom right to add/remove desktops, etc...


 Unless, of course, I'm simply doing something wrong? Could the gnome
 tweak tool have caused this? Is there a better FAQ I could consult?


 In other words, I can't seem to get this:

 http://www.thevarguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Screenshot-2.png


>>>
>>> I've no idea how to get it, but would like to know too. However the
>>> url suggests it's from march 2010, so they may have decided before
>>> release that it was dangerously useful and removed it.

>>
>> That screenshot is extremely out of date. Those panels no longer exist
>> on their own. They appear as you start typing into the search field in
>> the overlay.
>>
>>

> 
> I was afraid somebody would say they were out of date. I found several 
> websites showing the same layout. At Least now I can move forward and 
> stop trying to get the "ungettable." Thanks...

> -- 

I don't know if this would do the trick
$ rm -rf ~/.gnome*

like I used to do sometimes with the old migration to KDE 4.0.X series I used 
to do a 
$ rm -rf ~/.kde 
to get a pristine KDE after messing with the panels and getting some 
inconveniences :) 

If you would hate to do that drastic cure, try the 

Another option is to create a new user and ditch the old one :)

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Re: OpenOffice and Fedora

[Antonio Olivares]

> >> It seems that the future of OO is not so bleak as
> was originally
> >> thought. OO is now handed to Apache, with the
> support of Oracle and IBM,
> >> as well as others.
> >>
> >> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/060211-faq-whats-the-future-of.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_am_2011-06-03
> >>      
> > Apache hasn't officially accepted the project yet.
> That is a multistep process
> > and is just getting started.
> >
> >    
> Noted, and thanks for clarifying that. The link below seems
> to indicate 
> that Apache is in favor of this, and I'm sure Oracle didn't
> just "toss 
> this over the wall" without checking to see if Apache was
> receptive to 
> accepting the project.
> 
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/apache-president-jim-jagielski-talks-openoffice-org?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2011-06-03
> 
> Clearly this is a developing story, I just wanted to make
> the point that 
> having two projects may thin the resources and reduce the
> progress of 
> either. I'd like to believe that won't happen, but I
> suspect it will.
> 
> -- 

We hopefully still have gnumeric and abiword :)  They are still developed and 
maintained.  

I try to make sense of why things went that way, but ORACLE is a for profit 
company and it did not want to hand over the code/resources to LibO foundation 
so they wanted to keep it alive and gave it over to Apache which uses a 
different license and code can be proprietary again and IBM and others step in 
and build their code and see how they can make profit in the end.  

No one gives something for free, they want something back in return and this is 
what is happening here :(  

But I get your point, it seems to many that the main reason is that Oracle does 
not want to give away what it bought from Sun and this way it keeps the code 
churning and moving .

Regards,



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Re: Adieu, Fedora

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, David  wrote:

> From: David 
> Subject: Re: Adieu, Fedora
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 7:17 PM
> On 6/12/2011 10:06 PM, James McKenzie
> wrote:
> > On 6/12/11 6:36 PM, David wrote:
> >> On 6/12/2011 8:48 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:20:39 -0700
> >>> James McKenzie wrote:
> >>>
>  We need
>  to make Linux as easy, if not easier to
> use than the other 'junk' out
>  there.
> >>> When you run Windows for the first time,
> annoying tutorials badger
> >>> you incessantly about learning how to use the
> Windows interface
> >>> and/or adapting to changes made in the new
> version of Windows.
> >> FUD
> > No, truth. When you run Linux for the first time, does
> it have a 
> > built-in take you step by step tutorial?  I've
> never been 'badgered' by 
> > one.  Remember, the key is Lowest Common
> Denominator (LCD).  If you hit 
> > that, then you've pissed off the upper levels, but as
> one I just dismiss 
> > it and go about my business.  This is one of
> those areas that Linux 
> > desktop designers could learn from their Windows and
> MacOSX 
> > counterparts.  I've been down this road before
> and I don't want the 
> > flames that are coming back.  Not everyone is a
> 'genius' and not 
> > everyone can understand what each icon does. 
> Remember, Einstein could 
> > not make change nor did he understand the monetary
> system, but he still 
> > managed to buy his groceries, when they were not
> bought for him.
> 
> 
> I said FUD instead of bull$hit because Windows does not do
> what he said.

When you run it everyday and have gotten used to it, it does not bother you :)

But if you have a new installation or a reinstall to clean it up, you do see 
some stuff  

> So what are you trying to say?
> 
> 
> -- 

There were several ones that appeared like

Take a tour in XP:

As you may know, when you install Windows XP on a computer, it prompts you to 
take the Windows XP Tour. This prompt appears as a balloon that pops up from 
the Windows XP Tour icon in the notification area of the taskbar. By default, 
the prompt appears the first three times that someone logs on to the system. 

On Vista and Windows 7, there appear flags and your antivirus is out of date, 
you have updates ready and ...
But you see these once and can ignore them then they won't bother you :)  

I would guess that what is Tom is mentioning :)  

On Fedora at least some stuff appears like package kit telling you that updates 
are available, and other things.  But one can disable all these things 
bothering you and you are in charge not them :)

Regards.


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Re: Adieu, Fedora

[Antonio Olivares]

> > Linux has always been the geek OS. And the directions
> have always been
> > written in Geek for Geeks.
> >
> Yes.  To grow the desktop, we need to start embracing
> the common user.  
> There are a limited number of geeks and they cannot sustain
> Linux.  Not 
> at a financially viable level...
> 
> I would love to see the folks in Redmond squirm. 
> Windows has so many 
> problems that it should be banned from anywhere where
> reliability is 
> key.  Go to your local hospital and see what they are
> running.  It 
> scares me that they are running WindowsXP/Vista/Seven on
> the front end 
> and WindowsServer on the back.  I would, from a
> security viewpoint, love 
> to see this replaced with Linux and running a secure UI
> program.  This 
> is easier on Linux than Windows...
> 
> James McKenzie
> 
> -- 

While I agree with your statement(s), it will not likely happen :(

Even Ubuntu has not stolen more people from windows :(

Why?  There are many people out there that play games, and for gaming no OS out 
there, no Crossover, wine, ..., Virtual machines out there beat windows.  Most 
of the games are for windows and till linux creates games that are on par with 
the ones that are played in windows.

I have a friend that likes the status quo.  He says that it is great that 
windows has all those flaws.  The virii, spyware, trojan horses, adware, ..., 
etc problems that windows has is what he needs to live in the terrible 
recession we are facing.  He fixes machines and cleans them up and this way he 
can take his children to McDonalds and give them happy meals :)  If more people 
run linux/bsd/opensolaris, then the common problems that plague windows won't 
exist as much and more people would be out of work and he would not be lucky to 
take out his family to McDonalds :(

I like to fix machines for my students and they laugh and joke around when a 
fake rogue virus shows up that it is scanning and I start the machine in safe 
mode and look for the startup folder in the user/TEMP/ApplicationData/ folders 
where they usually start and they see that I get a kick out of it :)  I try a 
bit to convince many of them to use linux and that I will install it for them 
for free, but they prefer windows :(, they say linux is too hard.  Only for one 
student I succeeded, and he does not have to do the three R's (Reboot, Retry, 
Reinstall ) :(   Installed Fedora 14 with LXDE dual booting windows XP home.  
This way he can have the best of both worlds :)  

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Re: Still some mysteries about FC15

[Antonio Olivares]

Aaron, 

--- On Mon, 6/13/11, Aaron Konstam  wrote:

> From: Aaron Konstam 
> Subject: Still some mysteries about FC15
> To: "users" 
> Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 1:22 PM
> 
> TO FIX A MANGLED SUBJECT LINE

> 3. Someone needs to give the  Gnome3 people a lesson
> on instructional
> videos. They go too fast so the use of workspaces and
> lining up 2 widows
> next to each other  are still a mystery. Does anyone
> have better
> explanation of these topics.

``lining up 2 widows`` for who?  2 widows, I would bet that you meant windows 
right?   You can set one running program and with the mouse move it to the left 
till you can see it going to the middle and then you can do something similarly 
with another program in another windows but to the right and have two windows 
side by side. :)  This is what you mean right?


They do this so we can switch between two applications quickly and/or view two 
things at once?, others can share more.  I don't have too many windows open at 
once :( 

> That is enough for now. I will keep working on it.
> -- 

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Re: Adieu, Fedora

[Antonio Olivares]

--- On Tue, 6/14/11, Craig White  wrote:

> From: Craig White 
> Subject: Re: Adieu, Fedora
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 4:48 AM
> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 07:14 +0800, Ed
> Greshko wrote:
> > On 06/13/2011 06:08 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > I'll still keep an eye on Fedora for old time's
> sake.  And 12 will stay on the system as a back
> up.  So, it's not exactly farewell, just . . . 
> > >
> > > Auf Wiedersehen,
> > 
> > I've recently switched from briefs to boxers. 
> Somehow I don't think
> > that is worthy of an announcement
> either.   :-) :-)
> > 
> 
> I for one am far more interested in knowing the motivation
> for the
> switch than in debating Linux vs Windows. I'm suspecting it
> was the pink
> hearts.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> -- 


There is a story at distrowatch comment # 66 about a person who used linux for 
a while and like it still does, but went back to windows because of several 
problems.  Here's link:

http://batsov.com/Linux/Windows/Rant/2011/06/11/linux-desktop-experience-killing-linux-on-the-desktop.html

This is sad in some ways :(, the world is not perfect.  While many users like 
and enjoy Fedora and other versions of Linux out there, not everything works as 
it could and in a place close to home several folks complain to me that * 
driver does not work that what a great system I use.  I tell him that it might 
get there :(

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Re: Adieu, Fedora

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--- On Tue, 6/14/11, charles zeitler  wrote:

> From: charles zeitler 
> Subject: Re: Adieu, Fedora
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 10:14 AM
> -- 
> 
> Do what thou wilt
> shall  be the whole  of the Law.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Joe Zeff 
> wrote:
> > On 06/14/2011 04:38 AM, Craig White wrote:
> >> Basically all UI's suck at this point but you pick
> what you pick and
> >> adapt to using what's there as best as you can.
> >
> > They are software, therefore they suck.
> >
> 
> 
> hey, hardware sucks too!
> 
> charles zeitler
> 
> -- 


Some folks think that PCs will be a thing of the past :( that it will be Adieu 
PC

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2076571,00.html?xid=feed-yahoo-full-mostpopular

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Re: Blu Ray Burner

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--- On Tue, 6/14/11, JD  wrote:

> From: JD 
> Subject: Blu Ray Burner
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 7:17 PM
> I am considering buying a blue ray
> burner.
> What app on linux handles blu ray drives
> for reading/writing, ..etc
> 
> I am hoping that wodim will be able to handle it,
> but do not know for certain.
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> JD
> 
> -- 

Original cdrtools can write to blu ray media :

http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html

and some folks say that growisofs will also do it.  

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Re: Blu Ray Burner

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--- On Tue, 6/14/11, JD  wrote:

> From: JD 
> Subject: Re: Blu Ray Burner
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 8:01 PM
> On 06/14/2011 07:54 PM, Antonio
> Olivares wrote:
> >
> > --- On Tue, 6/14/11, JD 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: JD
> >> Subject: Blu Ray Burner
> >> To: "Community support for Fedora users"
> >> Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 7:17 PM
> >> I am considering buying a blue ray
> >> burner.
> >> What app on linux handles blu ray drives
> >> for reading/writing, ..etc
> >>
> >> I am hoping that wodim will be able to handle it,
> >> but do not know for certain.
> >>
> >> Thanx,
> >>
> >> JD
> >>
> >> -- 
> > Original cdrtools can write to blu ray media :
> >
> > http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
> >
> > and some folks say that growisofs will also do it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Antonio
> Thanx.
> My prior experience with cdrtools was when I had
> tried to burn a 4GB dvd. Well it would not do so,
> because I was required to obtain a license for
> dvdrecord-pro.
> I will give it a try, but, not holding my breath :)
> 
> -- 

That was a while ago :(, I remember it too, but now that problem has been 
eliminated :)

See 
http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/R-3.0.html

for details in case you are not sure. 

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Re: Adieu, Fedora

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> we have a Windows-free home!
> -- 

So you can't look outside because you have no "Windows" :(
You could at least use curtains, shutters, or tint them to protect from the hot 
sun if your house would not be "windows-free":)  

Could not resist! :(

:) :) :)

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