firefox

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I still have the issue with firefox which freezes fior while before I get
a message asking if I want to stop or continue the script
A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can 
stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete.

Script: http://ledauphine.fr/fr/javascript/v3/jquery.pack.js:3515
Then:
Script: http://connect.facebook.net/fr_FR/all.js#xfbml=1:123

It may be a java issue.

This what gives me ps -aux

pdupre    2340 11.6  6.3 1639820 515400 ?      Sl   10:14   1:24 
/usr/lib64/firefox/firefox
pdupre    3460  0.0  0.2 422336 19572 ?        Sl   10:26   0:00 
/usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/plugin-container 
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins-wrapped/nswrapper_32_64.libflashplayer.so -greomni 
/usr/lib64/firefox/xulrunner/omni.ja -appomni 
/usr/lib64/firefox/browser/omni.ja -appdir /usr/lib64/firefox/browser 2340 true 
plugin
pdupre    3511  0.0  0.0 109184   888 pts/1    S+   10:26   0:00 grep 
--color=auto firefox

If I downgrade firefox: yum downgrade firefox xulrunner
The problem disappears, however, I downgrade to firefox 17.

Haw can I only downgrade to firefox 20 or (21.02). Both versions were
working fine?

Thank for your help.

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Re: firefox

[Frank Murphy]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:34:08 +0200
"Patrick Dupre"  wrote:

> Script: http://ledauphine.fr/fr/javascript/v3/jquery.pack.js:3515
> Then:
> Script: http://connect.facebook.net/fr_FR/all.js#xfbml=1:123
> 
> It may be a java issue.
> 

 *.js = Javascript
Javascript  != Java

Go to:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/

type in: firefox,
look for and download the version you need
about 1/2 way down I suspect.
repeat for xulrunner.

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Re: install the plugin of the Adobe Flash Player

[poma]

On 17.06.2013 08:01, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 06/16/2013 11:29 PM, poma wrote:
>> On 10.06.2013 06:28, Lingxian Guo wrote:
>>> Just but unfamiliar，I am using Fedora 18 64bit .The plugin of the Adobe
>>> Flash Player should be installed to Firefox,I do not know how to do?
>> http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/
>>
>>
>> poma
>>
>>
> You could just always install it from the "Software" selection from the
> applications on your machine. I dunnoI would need to knwo exactly
> what it is you're trying to do
> 
> 
> EGO II

repoquery --archlist=x86_64 -f *install.rdf | grep -i shumway ; echo $?
1

"… Our goal is to create a general-purpose, web standards-based platform
for parsing and rendering SWFs. Integration with Firefox is a
possibility if the experiment proves successful."

https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/blob/master/README.md :)


poma


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Re: ping -R on Fedora 18 d does not work (firewalld problem?)

[poma]

On 17.06.2013 08:06, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 06/17/13 13:18, Kevin Wilson wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I try:
>>  ping -R www.google.com
>>
>> I get:
>> PING www.google.com (173.194.113.112) 56(124) bytes of data.
>>
>>
>> but the list of nodes does not appear, and I wait for more than 5 minutes.
>>
>> traceroute www.google.com gives immediately the list of nodes.
>>
>> This is fedora 18, iptables  stopped (and flushed), firewalld stopped.
>>
>> Could it be somehow due to not flushing firewalld rules ? (I don't
>> know much about firewalld)
> 
>   -R ping  only.   Record  route.  Includes the RECORD_ROUTE option in
>   the ECHO_REQUEST packet and displays the route buffer on 
> returned
>   packets.   Note  that the IP header is only large enough for 
> nine
>   such routes.  Many hosts ignore or discard this option.
> 
> 
> I think "Many" should be replaced with "Most".  :-)

It's almost impossible to determine.
In one's lifetime. :)
However, I found something interesting regarding 'iptables'.
Guess what. Procedure which includes 'iptables-save/restore' as
described in "Making changes persistent"[1] doesn't work.
Hippity hop hooray!


poma


[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_edit_iptables_rules#Making_changes_persistent


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Anyone using Z87 chipset and Haswell cpu?

[Tom Horsley]

My motherboard just died and I figured I'd upgrade to
latest and greatest, but it occurs to me that the Z87
is really new, so I just wondered if linux kernels know
about it yet?
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Advice: remote 3D games using Spice

[Jamie Bohr]

I am getting ready to build a new PC for games and am looking for advice
surrounding remote game play via Spice.  My family is into playing Disney's
Toontown which only works on Windows or Mac.  Each family member has a PC
that is aging and has trouble playing newer games; I would like to purchase
or build a single computer that can handle at least two remote games.  I
know the video card will have to be powerful.

I am looking for advice on whether playing 3D games will work over Spice.

Thank you,

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Re: Anyone using Z87 chipset and Haswell cpu?

[Steve Underwood]

On 06/17/2013 07:30 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

My motherboard just died and I figured I'd upgrade to
latest and greatest, but it occurs to me that the Z87
is really new, so I just wondered if linux kernels know
about it yet?
I tried Fedora 18 on my Asus Z87K + Intel 4770 and got nowhere. It 
installed but wouldn't boot up afterwards. I tried the beta of Fedora 19 
and that is running nicely. Since the final version of Fedora 19 should 
be out soon, and the beta seems OK in the meantime, I haven't 
investigated why Fedora 18 fails.


Regards,
Steve

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X freezes in FC 18

[Jens Neu]

Dear list,

I'm experiencing random freezes of two desktops, both up-to-date FC 18, 
totally different hardware (Core2Duo E5300, Core i7), different Graphis 
Cards but both Nvidia using nouveau with a dual monitor setup.


Desktop completely freezes, Num Lock on keyboard is dead. Gut feeling 
tells me it is induced by scrolling.


When happening, I can ssh into the machine, everything looks perfectly 
normal. No 100% CPU on nothing, no zombies, no whatever. Nothing in 
dmesg, Xorg.0.log, messages.


Restart of graphical.target does not do anything, when killing 
/usr/bin/X (with -9 though) I get kdm back.


Any thoughts where to debug further?
regards
Jens
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Re: X freezes in FC 18

[Joe Zeff]

On 06/17/2013 06:39 AM, Jens Neu wrote:

Any thoughts where to debug further?


Have you looked in ~/.xsession-errors yet?
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Re: X freezes in FC 18

[Jens Neu]

On 17.06.2013 15:49, Joe Zeff wrote:

Have you looked in ~/.xsession-errors yet?

No I haven't; thanks, good input. Will do so on next freeze!

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Re: USB printer connection

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 17 June 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
> why is SAMBA still around?,,,I always thought the Open Source Universe
> was about finding and using software that "Just Worked"? 

When it comes to interfacing your open source, open standards OS, with a
closed source, non-standard, ever-changing-standards, OS, implementing
something that works is a serious challenge.  It's the evil side of the
equation that's the real problem.

But you're trying to bridge together two systems that work in
fundamentally different ways.  So you've got to do things to handle the
differences, or lose out where there is no direct equivalent, and put up
with annoying workarounds.

File and directory permissions are one thing.  The evil OS doesn't have
execute permissions, so the simplistic solution is to treat all files as
if the execute permission is set.  That has annoying repercussions.

Some of the evil OS distributions had no concept of different users, so
everyfile was available to anyone.  Or no direct way of dealing with a
file owned by me, with different r/w permissions for a usergroup, and
different r/w permissions for other users.  So file permissions get
mangled into dopey defaults as they pass from one system to another.

User accounts are handled differently on each computer, so you need some
point of translation that "tim" on Linux is "Tim" on Windows.  Or
perhaps "tim" on Windows is "ts1201" on Linux, to be even more painful.

Windows SMB depends on a machine being in charge (the browse master),
that machine handles identifying which machine is which amongst all of
the clients.  They hold an election between all machines on the LAN, to
see who's the biggest and best, and that one wins.  If another machine
joins the network, an election gets held again.  If a machine leaves the
network (or drops off, leaving everyone else in the lurch, since it
doesn't have any concept of actually logging off), the rest of the
clients can get left in limbo for a quarter of an hour before another
browser master takes over.  It gets worse if anybody's IP changed in the
meantime, because you can't just simply find it a that the same IP you
used previously.  I've watched people end up having to reboot every
Windows box on a LAN just to get Windows file sharing working again.  To
quote part of an internet meme, it's designed by frickin' idiots.

The underlying system that Samba lets us access is a complete mess, like
everything that Microsoft does.  If they ever did anything in a
sensible, and user-friendly manner, it'd be a shock.  So, I avoid it
like the plague.  I see no point in going through hell trying to
configure Samba to print, when I can simply configure the Windows
nuisance box to use the CUPS server, directly.  And it can be easier to
install a NFS client on Windows to access a Linux file server, than mess
around with Samba.

Using Windows is as much fun as going to the dentist.

-- 
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.8.13-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 13 13:36:17 UTC 2013 x86_64

All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.

George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.



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man resize2fs

[Frank Murphy]

Did:
ddrescue -r 1 -n /dev/sdc (250gb) /dev/sdb (1tb)
/dev/sdc1 is luks

man resize2fs isn't so clear for me how to expand the 
/dev/sdd1  (250gm) partition to fill the whole tb.

# fdisk -l
http://ur1.ca/eco2v

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Evolution links to launch Chrome

[Craig White]

Just upgraded to F18 and now links in Evolution launch Firefox and not
Chrome (unlike F17).

Using KDE...

$ cat .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[Added Associations]
video/x-flv=livna-mplayer.desktop;
text/html=google-chrome.desktop

[Default Applications]
text/html=google-chrome.desktop

.local/share/applications/defaults.list is a symbolic link to
mimeapps.list

doesn't change anything.

ran
[craig@lin-workstation ~]$ gconftool-2 \
 --set /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command \
 -t string 'google-chrome %s' 

[craig@lin-workstation ~]$ gconftool-2 \
 --set /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https/command \
 -t string 'google-chrome %s' 

didn't change anything

Can anyone toss me a bone here?

Craig


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Re: USB printer connection

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 06/17/2013 10:13 AM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 17 June 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:

why is SAMBA still around?,,,I always thought the Open Source Universe
was about finding and using software that "Just Worked"?

When it comes to interfacing your open source, open standards OS, with a
closed source, non-standard, ever-changing-standards, OS, implementing
something that works is a serious challenge.  It's the evil side of the
equation that's the real problem.

But you're trying to bridge together two systems that work in
fundamentally different ways.  So you've got to do things to handle the
differences, or lose out where there is no direct equivalent, and put up
with annoying workarounds.

File and directory permissions are one thing.  The evil OS doesn't have
execute permissions, so the simplistic solution is to treat all files as
if the execute permission is set.  That has annoying repercussions.

Some of the evil OS distributions had no concept of different users, so
everyfile was available to anyone.  Or no direct way of dealing with a
file owned by me, with different r/w permissions for a usergroup, and
different r/w permissions for other users.  So file permissions get
mangled into dopey defaults as they pass from one system to another.

User accounts are handled differently on each computer, so you need some
point of translation that "tim" on Linux is "Tim" on Windows.  Or
perhaps "tim" on Windows is "ts1201" on Linux, to be even more painful.

Windows SMB depends on a machine being in charge (the browse master),
that machine handles identifying which machine is which amongst all of
the clients.  They hold an election between all machines on the LAN, to
see who's the biggest and best, and that one wins.  If another machine
joins the network, an election gets held again.  If a machine leaves the
network (or drops off, leaving everyone else in the lurch, since it
doesn't have any concept of actually logging off), the rest of the
clients can get left in limbo for a quarter of an hour before another
browser master takes over.  It gets worse if anybody's IP changed in the
meantime, because you can't just simply find it a that the same IP you
used previously.  I've watched people end up having to reboot every
Windows box on a LAN just to get Windows file sharing working again.  To
quote part of an internet meme, it's designed by frickin' idiots.

The underlying system that Samba lets us access is a complete mess, like
everything that Microsoft does.  If they ever did anything in a
sensible, and user-friendly manner, it'd be a shock.  So, I avoid it
like the plague.  I see no point in going through hell trying to
configure Samba to print, when I can simply configure the Windows
nuisance box to use the CUPS server, directly.  And it can be easier to
install a NFS client on Windows to access a Linux file server, than mess
around with Samba.

Using Windows is as much fun as going to the dentist.

WOW!.I guess I'll have to ditch my SAMBA 3 whitepapers and look into 
the NFS thingie some more! And I assume the NFS has "workable" access 
and file permissioning? in a bi-directional state? Hmmstill don't 
know why everyone thinks Windows is the best and brightest?!



EGO II
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Re: new selinux alert on F19

[Daniel J Walsh]

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On 06/15/2013 12:27 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> Hi all!
> 
> I've been running F19 (alpha and now beta) on my Acer Aspire One D255E 
> netbook for a few weeks now.
> 
> just today when I booted up I got this alert I've not gotten before. I know
> how to teach selinux not to alert for that, but I don't know if it's an
> action that SHOULD be allowed or not.
> 
> It also give another alert, apparently at boot, for complaining that 
> /usr/sbin/lightdm tried to create file .dmrc.0GT8WW, presumably in my home
> directory, though it didn't explicitly say.
> 
> Wondering if these are bugs/features introduced in recent updates...
> 
> I'd appreciate advice on what to do here.
> 
> thanks!
> 
> Fred - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> 
> The alert says:
> 
> The source process: /usr/libexec/accounts/daemon Attempted this access:
> read on this directory: /var/log
> 
> 
> Here's the "details" output:
> 
> 
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from read access on the
> directory /var/log.
> 
> *  Plugin catchall (100. confidence) suggests
> ***
> 
> If you believe that accounts-daemon should be allowed read access on the
> log directory by default. Then you should report this as a bug. You can
> generate a local policy module to allow this access. Do allow this access
> for now by executing: # grep accounts-daemon /var/log/audit/audit.log |
> audit2allow -M mypol # semodule -i mypol.pp
> 
> Additional Information: Source Context
> system_u:system_r:accountsd_t:s0 Target Context
> system_u:object_r:var_log_t:s0 Target Objects/var/log [ dir
> ] Sourceaccounts-daemon Source Path
> /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon Port   Host
> aspirebox Source RPM Packages
> accountsservice-0.6.34-1.fc19.x86_64 Target RPM Packages
> filesystem-3.2-10.fc19.x86_64 Policy RPM
> selinux-policy-3.12.1-48.fc19.noarch Selinux Enabled   True 
> Policy Type   targeted Enforcing Mode
> Enforcing Host Name aspirebox Platform
> Linux aspirebox 3.9.5-301.fc19.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 11 19:39:38 UTC 2013
> x86_64 x86_64 Alert Count   3948 First Seen
> 2013-06-14 13:49:29 EDT Last Seen 2013-06-15 12:16:19
> EDT Local ID  eaab0b0b-7b1c-4823-90eb-5dd00ff0ca7a
> 
> Raw Audit Messages type=AVC msg=audit(1371312979.299:646): avc:  denied  {
> read } for  pid=399 comm="accounts-daemon" name="log" dev="sda6"
> ino=2883620 scontext=system_u:system_r:accountsd_t:s0
> tcontext=system_u:object_r:var_log_t:s0 tclass=dir
> 
> 
> type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1371312979.299:646): arch=x86_64
> syscall=inotify_add_watch success=no exit=EACCES a0=8 a1=7f09d8b4ad00
> a2=1002fce a3=0 items=0 ppid=1 pid=399 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0
> suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 ses=4294967295 tty=(none)
> comm=accounts-daemon exe=/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon
> subj=system_u:system_r:accountsd_t:s0 key=(null)
> 
> Hash: accounts-daemon,accountsd_t,var_log_t,dir,read
> 
> 
THis should be fixed in the latest policy packages.
Fixed in selinux-policy-3.12.1-52.fc19.noarch


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Re: fedup upgrade to 18 broke my touchpad on DELL Vostro

[Gary Stainburn]

I still haven't managed to get my touchpad workin although my USB mouse is 
working fine.

One thing I don't have with the mouse that I did have with the touchpad was 
pressing both buttons to emulate the middle button and getting a "paste" 
action.

My mouse does actually have a middle button (a pressable scroll wheel) but 
pressing this doesn't give me the effect I want either.

Any suggestions?
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Re: new selinux alert on F19

[Fred Smith]

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:48:45AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 06/15/2013 12:27 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > 
> > I've been running F19 (alpha and now beta) on my Acer Aspire One D255E 
> > netbook for a few weeks now.
> > 
> > just today when I booted up I got this alert I've not gotten before. I know
> > how to teach selinux not to alert for that, but I don't know if it's an
> > action that SHOULD be allowed or not.
> > 
> > It also give another alert, apparently at boot, for complaining that 
> > /usr/sbin/lightdm tried to create file .dmrc.0GT8WW, presumably in my home
> > directory, though it didn't explicitly say.
> > 
> > Wondering if these are bugs/features introduced in recent updates...
> > 
> > I'd appreciate advice on what to do here.
> > 
> > thanks!
> > 
> > Fred - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > 
> > The alert says:
> > 
> > The source process: /usr/libexec/accounts/daemon Attempted this access:
> > read on this directory: /var/log
> > 
> > 
> > Here's the "details" output:
> > 
> > 
> > SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from read access on the
> > directory /var/log.
> > 
> > *  Plugin catchall (100. confidence) suggests
> > ***
> > 
> > If you believe that accounts-daemon should be allowed read access on the
> > log directory by default. Then you should report this as a bug. You can
> > generate a local policy module to allow this access. Do allow this access
> > for now by executing: # grep accounts-daemon /var/log/audit/audit.log |
> > audit2allow -M mypol # semodule -i mypol.pp
> > 
> > Additional Information: Source Context
> > system_u:system_r:accountsd_t:s0 Target Context
> > system_u:object_r:var_log_t:s0 Target Objects/var/log [ dir
> > ] Sourceaccounts-daemon Source Path
> > /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon Port   Host
> > aspirebox Source RPM Packages
> > accountsservice-0.6.34-1.fc19.x86_64 Target RPM Packages
> > filesystem-3.2-10.fc19.x86_64 Policy RPM
> > selinux-policy-3.12.1-48.fc19.noarch Selinux Enabled   True 
> > Policy Type   targeted Enforcing Mode
> > Enforcing Host Name aspirebox Platform
> > Linux aspirebox 3.9.5-301.fc19.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 11 19:39:38 UTC 2013
> > x86_64 x86_64 Alert Count   3948 First Seen
> > 2013-06-14 13:49:29 EDT Last Seen 2013-06-15 12:16:19
> > EDT Local ID  eaab0b0b-7b1c-4823-90eb-5dd00ff0ca7a
> > 
> > Raw Audit Messages type=AVC msg=audit(1371312979.299:646): avc:  denied  {
> > read } for  pid=399 comm="accounts-daemon" name="log" dev="sda6"
> > ino=2883620 scontext=system_u:system_r:accountsd_t:s0
> > tcontext=system_u:object_r:var_log_t:s0 tclass=dir
> > 
> > 
> > type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1371312979.299:646): arch=x86_64
> > syscall=inotify_add_watch success=no exit=EACCES a0=8 a1=7f09d8b4ad00
> > a2=1002fce a3=0 items=0 ppid=1 pid=399 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0
> > suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 ses=4294967295 tty=(none)
> > comm=accounts-daemon exe=/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon
> > subj=system_u:system_r:accountsd_t:s0 key=(null)
> > 
> > Hash: accounts-daemon,accountsd_t,var_log_t,dir,read
> > 
> > 
> THis should be fixed in the latest policy packages.
> Fixed in selinux-policy-3.12.1-52.fc19.noarch

thanks, I'll give it a whirl when I get home this evening.

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Re: mcelog.service

[Reindl Harald]

Am 17.06.2013 02:25, schrieb lee:
> Joe Zeff  writes:
> 
>> On 06/15/2013 08:40 PM, lee wrote:
>>> When the hardware has gone so bad that I can't start mcelog anymore, I
>>> very likely can't retrieve information from the logfiles, either,
>>> without fixing the problem first.
>>
>> As long as it's not the drive itself that went bad you can always
>> connect it to another, working computer.
> 
> Where would I find a working computer which I could use and which has
> the same or at least a compatible hardware RAID controller to connect
> the drives to?

well, most people on Linux are using mdraid to avoid the useless
question about "compatible hardware RAID controller" because it
is pretty useless to have a RAID with a single-point-of-failure
in form the controller



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Re: mcelog.service

[Reindl Harald]

Am 17.06.2013 03:44, schrieb lee:
> Reindl Harald  writes:
>> well, most people on Linux are using mdraid to avoid the useless
>> question about "compatible hardware RAID controller" because it
>> is pretty useless to have a RAID with a single-point-of-failure
>> in form the controller
> 
> How do these people answer questions like how to connect 10+ SATA and/or
> SAS devices to their computers at the same time, how not to create a
> bottleneck with software raid and how to eliminate every possible single
> point of failure?

why should these people do this with local disks?

such things are done with SAN-storages with typically
*two* conrollers for failover, if you rely on *one*
single controller and nothing else can read your
RAID you should hire someone with knowledge

but what the hell has this to do with mcelog.service since
nobody but you is using 10 SAS disks local attached

hint: in such setups *you get* replacement controllers
and disks by SLA's with the manufacturer within hours

*you said* how can a different machine read my RAID
well, normally this question should be answered
*before* put any data on it

> Are you assuming that most ppl using Linux have fallback systems with
> independent internet connections and emergency power generators standing
> by that automatically take over seamlessly when something with their
> used system or around it fails?

pff you do not need independent internet connections and power
generators to plug software-raids to whatever computer because
you can plug them with any SATA-to-USB and mdraid will recognize
the array based on UUID's



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Re: mcelog.service

[Reindl Harald]

Am 17.06.2013 04:09, schrieb lee:
> Joe Zeff  writes:
> 
>> On 06/16/2013 05:25 PM, lee wrote:
>>> Where would I find a working computer which I could use and which has
>>> the same or at least a compatible hardware RAID controller to connect
>>> the drives to?
>>
>> Are you saying that you have the only computer in the world with that
>> hardware?  If so, you have only yourself to blame; if not, you're only
>> looking for excuses.
> 
> Just think it through and then explain to me how it would make sense to
> dedicate (a part of the limited) resources to have mcelog constantly
> running

*you* started this thread with "is the mcelog.service of any use to me?"

people explained you why it *could* be useable
why do you ask if you are knowing it better?
so disable it and stop trolling

is it really that hard?

P.S.: and do not forget to disable a couple of other services
which are not hardly needed and enabled by default



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Re: mcelog.service

[Reindl Harald]

Am 17.06.2013 04:29, schrieb lee:
> You're missing the point which was someones assumption that a particular
> component must be useless because it can be spf.  I was merely asking if
> there's also the assumption that ppl go to all the considerable lengths
> required to avoid spfs (so that the components they are using aren't
> useless).
> 
> Don't try to hold me responsible for other ppls logic, flawed or not

it was *your* argumentation that *you* can not pull your disks
in a different machine because there is only one controller
on earth which can read your disks - this is usually *not*
true for others because they have spare controllers or not
using hardware RAID and if *you* do not need mcelog.service
disable it and stop your uselles discussion why *you* can
not read logfiles if your system does not boot, others can

hence in professional environment you even use the --syslog
option and have logs on different machines where you can
read them even if the machine including disks and controller
is dead




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Re: converting text to pdf

[jackson byers]

Tim wrote:

>Having said that, I haven't got cups-pdf installed,
>yet if I call up the print requester
>to print something (such as this email),
>and pick the print-to-file option,
>I have options to produce a file that's
> PDF, Postscript, or SVG.  And they all work.

I am having trouble finding any option, method,etc to
"print-to-file".

(I did install cups-pdf, and I imagine it just works.
I see cups-pdf listed in the printer list.)

But what I would really like is what Tim describes.

Tim, just what do you mean by "call up the print requestor"?
 some path in  http://localhost:631 ?
 or some way to query lpr?

And how do you generate your options?

And just what is SVG?

Jack,

feeling very stupid,
as if this is or should all be common linux knowledge.
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Re: Flash plugin RPM installed but not being used by Firefix

[Michael Wiktowy]

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

> Does "nspluginwrapper.i686" still work with the Flash plugin on x86_64?
>
>
I have had problems recently with 32 bit Flash locking up my 64 bit Firefox
21 when Firefox 20 worked fine on the same system. Making the switch from
the 32 bit Flash to the 64 bit Flash solved the problem for me. So I would
suggest that the nspluginwrapper has developed some incompatibilities with
Firefox starting at version 21.

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Fedora18, updates, busted wifi

[jmaclean]

Hey chaps,

My Lenovo x220 laptop was working fine and dandy with f18 until I ran an 
update.  Then suddenly my wifi stopped working. I __think__ it was 
because the iwl1000 wasn't being loaded or something similar.  In any 
case, how can I prevent this from happening again? Would it be looking 
at a package's changelog to see if I can work out if, (for example), a 
kernel update would mean that graphics, wireless etc may not work for my 
hardware?


I'm going to try fedora19 this evening and will most likely exclude iwl* 
from being ever updated. Any other suggestions are very welcome.


Cheers.

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Re: converting text to pdf

[Rick Stevens]

On 06/17/2013 11:52 AM, jackson byers issued this missive:

Tim wrote:

 >Having said that, I haven't got cups-pdf installed,
 >yet if I call up the print requester
 >to print something (such as this email),
 >and pick the print-to-file option,
 >I have options to produce a file that's
 > PDF, Postscript, or SVG.  And they all work.

I am having trouble finding any option, method,etc to
"print-to-file".

(I did install cups-pdf, and I imagine it just works.
I see cups-pdf listed in the printer list.)

But what I would really like is what Tim describes.

Tim, just what do you mean by "call up the print requestor"?
  some path in http://localhost:631 ?
  or some way to query lpr?


Depends on what your application uses. The default mechanism for most
"Print..." menus should bring up a requestor asking you which printer
to use (for example, Firefox and Thunderbird uses this mechanism). The
choice at the top of the options is usually "Print to file" and the icon
is generally a green arrow pointing downwards to a drawer-like object.

Google-ish apps (like Chrome) use their own requestor, but if you click
on the "Change" button in the "Destination" window on the left, you
should find "Save to PDF" as an option under "Local Destinations".

To query lpr, just use "lpstat -t".


And how do you generate your options?

And just what is SVG?


I believe SVG is a GUI interface to subversion.
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Re: converting text to pdf

[Suvayu Ali]

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 01:50:11PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 06/17/2013 11:52 AM, jackson byers issued this missive:
> >
> >And just what is SVG?
> 
> I believe SVG is a GUI interface to subversion.

SVG is a vector graphics format:

  

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Re: converting text to pdf

[Rick Stevens]

On 06/17/2013 03:30 PM, Suvayu Ali issued this missive:

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 01:50:11PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 06/17/2013 11:52 AM, jackson byers issued this missive:


And just what is SVG?


I believe SVG is a GUI interface to subversion.


SVG is a vector graphics format:

   


Ah, right! Forgot that one. I sit/stand/lie corrected. Thanks for
setting me straight, Suvayu.

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Re: mcelog.service

[lee]

Joe Zeff  writes:

> On 06/16/2013 07:52 PM, lee wrote:
>> No, they explained what it is supposed to do and made invalid
>> assumptions.  Their point seems to be that it could be useful for
>> instances when the logged output of mcelog helps you to figure out what
>> might be wrong with your hardware.
>
> Have you considered the possibility that there can be intermittent
> errors that might or might not be hardware related and that having the
> data from mcelog available could help you decide if it is or isn't
> your hardware *before* there's a catastrophic failure?

Yes, it would require me to constantly check some logfile.  Which
logfile that is, is not even documented.  It might be /var/log/syslog
when you look at the mcelog.service file.  Lots of things are being
logged there, and I usually don't look at that unless something isn't
working.  I could make something that greps the logfile for something
mcelog might be logging, but what would I look for?  And if this is so
critically important, why is it set up in such a way that this vital
information is never seen?


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upowerd

[lee]

Hi,

what does upowerd actually do?  The "documentation" only says "upowerd
provides the org.freedesktop.UPower service on the system message
bus."[1]

What does that mean?  When I look at [2], all it does seems to do is to
allow to know when power sources are added or removed --- which is
something that never happens.  I don't have any hot pluggable PSUs.


[1]: http://upower.freedesktop.org/docs/upowerd.8.html
[2]: http://upower.freedesktop.org/docs/upower.1.html


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Re: mcelog.service

[lee]

Joe Zeff  writes:

> On 06/16/2013 07:09 PM, lee wrote:
>> Just think it through and then explain to me how it would make sense to
>> dedicate (a part of the limited) resources to have mcelog constantly
>> running.
>
> I take it, then, that you've either never heard of logrotate or have
> some reason not to use it.

What would be the relevance of logrotate here?


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Re: mcelog.service

[lee]

Joe Zeff  writes:

> As long as the drive itself is working, there's a way to recover the
> data, although there may well not be an easy or fast way.

Imagine the power supply would fail so that I can't read logfiles
anymore.

What do I do?  Fix the hardware right away or waste a week or two trying
to find a way to read logfiles because mcelog /might/ have logged
something?


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Small home web server

[Roger]

I am looking into building or acquiring a small fairly silent low power 
web server for my home office.
Reason is that I need to develop and run a small number of Ruby2 Rails 4 
applications. These will have low traffic around 200 hits per day 
possibly up to 500  hits over 24 hours in heavy load times, but most of 
the time we expect 20-40 per day.

It will be turned off at 10:30 pm and restarted about 8-9 am.

It will be Centos or Fedora OS, Ubuntu has been recommended but I prefer 
Fedora.

I have  a TG782t modem.

Have looked into shared servers, VPS, Heroku and each has more problems 
than enough.

Shared servers won't host Rails.
VPS is way too expensive for the small requirements
High security is not needed, if it got hacked I'd just reinstall 
everything. But I do need my developer pc isolated against any attacks
Heroku  uses only postgres I would rather mariaDB, sqlite or mysql. 
Apparently postgres doesn't handle images too well but I have no 
knowledge on that.


What would you recommend please.
Help greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance
Roger
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Re: Small home web server

[ramon]

Hi,

I can host your web application. I have several machines at my disposal 
and a public IP's. You would have to point your domain to one of my ip 
addresses and start from there. I can host either Centos or Debian and 
tailor the server to the other software you need.
Let me know if you are interested. I run my network for work purposes 
and testing. Mostly it is under utilized and I would like to get some 
web hosting or applications running on it. I do not charge for my 
services. I only ask that you not run anything illegal and if you get 
too big or there is too much traffic you will have to find another 
hosting company.


Thanks,
Ramon

On 2013-06-17 21:50, Roger wrote:

I am looking into building or acquiring a small fairly silent low
power web server for my home office.
Reason is that I need to develop and run a small number of Ruby2 Rails
4 applications. These will have low traffic around 200 hits per day
possibly up to 500  hits over 24 hours in heavy load times, but most
of the time we expect 20-40 per day.
It will be turned off at 10:30 pm and restarted about 8-9 am.

It will be Centos or Fedora OS, Ubuntu has been recommended but I 
prefer Fedora.

I have  a TG782t modem.

Have looked into shared servers, VPS, Heroku and each has more
problems than enough.
Shared servers won't host Rails.
VPS is way too expensive for the small requirements
High security is not needed, if it got hacked I'd just reinstall
everything. But I do need my developer pc isolated against any attacks
Heroku  uses only postgres I would rather mariaDB, sqlite or mysql.
Apparently postgres doesn't handle images too well but I have no
knowledge on that.

What would you recommend please.
Help greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance
Roger

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Re: Small home web server

[Digimer]

On 06/17/2013 11:50 PM, Roger wrote:

I am looking into building or acquiring a small fairly silent low power
web server for my home office.
Reason is that I need to develop and run a small number of Ruby2 Rails 4
applications. These will have low traffic around 200 hits per day
possibly up to 500  hits over 24 hours in heavy load times, but most of
the time we expect 20-40 per day.
It will be turned off at 10:30 pm and restarted about 8-9 am.

It will be Centos or Fedora OS, Ubuntu has been recommended but I prefer
Fedora.
I have  a TG782t modem.

Have looked into shared servers, VPS, Heroku and each has more problems
than enough.
Shared servers won't host Rails.
VPS is way too expensive for the small requirements
High security is not needed, if it got hacked I'd just reinstall
everything. But I do need my developer pc isolated against any attacks
Heroku  uses only postgres I would rather mariaDB, sqlite or mysql.
Apparently postgres doesn't handle images too well but I have no
knowledge on that.

What would you recommend please.
Help greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance
Roger


I use lots of Asus EeeBox 1033 machines as CentOS 6 based appliance web 
servers. I am sure Fedora would run on them, too. Silent, low power 
consumption and no linux compatibility issues.


http://ca.asus.com/en/Eee/EeeBox_PC/EeeBox_PC_EB1033/

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Re: ping -R on Fedora 18 d does not work (firewalld problem?)

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 17 June 2013, Kevin Wilson sent:
> Hello,
> I try:
>  ping -R www.google.com
> 
> I get:
> PING www.google.com (173.194.113.112) 56(124) bytes of data.
> 
> 
> but the list of nodes does not appear, and I wait for more than 5 minutes.

Things do not *have* to respond to pings, so a ping can only test how it
responds to pings, rather than be a definitive test of being able to
reach something.

When you're accessible to the world, and every byte costs you money, you
may decide to disable all but the essential traffic.

> traceroute www.google.com gives immediately the list of nodes.

I seem to recall traceroute does, or can, use a different protocol.
Read the manuals.

> Could it be somehow due to not flushing firewalld rules ? (I don't
> know much about firewalld)

Unless you've made special rules, Fedora tends to allow this sort of
traffic.

I get a different IP responding to www.google.com, there are some
responses to pings, and to some of the hops along the route.

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Re: mcelog.service

[Joe Zeff]

On 06/17/2013 07:21 PM, lee wrote:

Joe Zeff  writes:


On 06/16/2013 07:09 PM, lee wrote:

Just think it through and then explain to me how it would make sense to
dedicate (a part of the limited) resources to have mcelog constantly
running.


I take it, then, that you've either never heard of logrotate or have
some reason not to use it.


What would be the relevance of logrotate here?




You do know what it does, don't you?  Just to be sure, it keeps your 
system from being buried under a mass of old logfiles by rotating them 
from current to compressed archive to gone.  That means that when your 
hardware is working fine, all of the old data from mcelog goes away, but 
there's enough kept for you to search it for signs of trouble if you 
think you need to.  (On a side note, waiting until you think your 
hardware's getting flaky before starting it isn't always a good idea, 
because unless you're lucky you probably won't have time to collect and 
examine the data before it's too late.)


I must admit, however, that I've begun to wonder why I'm bothering 
because you've clearly made up your mind that you don't need mcelog 
running and have no intention of admitting that there might be reasons 
to have it active.  If so, do as you wish and stop bothering the rest of 
us.  Or, if I'm wrong, stop rejecting everything everybody says without 
even bothering to examine it, as you've been doing ever since you 
started this thread.

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Re: converting text to pdf

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 17 June 2013, jackson byers sent:
> Tim, just what do you mean by "call up the print requestor"?
>  some path in  http://localhost:631 ?
>  or some way to query lpr?

Choose the print option in almost any GUI application.

It's been years since I've used the command line to print anything,
since I don't have a dot-matrix printer any more, which was line-by-line
based data, the modern printers all want to deal with separate pages.
Sometimes that can be the cause of printing problems, it's waiting for
an end-of-page signal before anything happens (unrelated to this thread,
though).

> And how do you generate your options?

Different sections of the window that pops up when I choose to print.

NB:  Quite often, clicking the print icon on a toolbar prints to the
default printer, with the default options.  But picking the print option
from a menu, goes through a requester window full of choices.

> And just what is SVG? 

Scaleable Vector Graphics.

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Re: mcelog.service

[Joe Zeff]

On 06/17/2013 07:41 PM, lee wrote:

Joe Zeff  writes:


As long as the drive itself is working, there's a way to recover the
data, although there may well not be an easy or fast way.


Imagine the power supply would fail so that I can't read logfiles
anymore.

What do I do?  Fix the hardware right away or waste a week or two trying
to find a way to read logfiles because mcelog /might/ have logged
something?




Nothing more than a strawman.  If the power supply's failed completely, 
you don't need the logs; if it's slowly going bad, the logs might help 
you diagnose the issue and replace the supply before it's completely 
gone.  And, if the computer's dead, the power supply isn't the only 
possibility and there are times that it's better (and cheaper) to spend 
a little time grovelling over the logs instead of swapping parts until 
it works again.

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Re: Small home web server

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 18 June 2013, Roger sent:
> High security is not needed, if it got hacked I'd just reinstall 
> everything. 

NB:  That's being a bit too simplistic.  If you got hacked, your machine
could become a menace to the internet.  You always want high security on
a public server, even on private servers that could accidentally become
publicly accessible in a way that you haven't thought of.

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Re: USB printer connection

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 17 June 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
> I guess I'll have to ditch my SAMBA 3 whitepapers and look into 
> the NFS thingie some more!

Always explore the options.

> And I assume the NFS has "workable" access and file permissioning?

Linux box to Linux box, it works virtually the same as using a local
hard drive.  I can't remember about Windows to Linux (it was long ago).

Samba, when you use some of the extensions can do apparently native
Linux to Linux behaviour, but I found it far more convoluted than using
NFS.

NFS has security implications, and it's not without reason it got known
as no f*g security.  Samba also has security implications, especially
when people set it up to have none (the same people who drop firewalls,
turn off SELinux, have everything world writeable...).

> Hmmstill don't know why everyone thinks Windows is the best and
> brightest?!

Brainwashing...  Or, given no choice, they just go with the flow.

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Re: Small home web server

[Craig White]

On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 13:50 +1000, Roger wrote:
> I am looking into building or acquiring a small fairly silent low power 
> web server for my home office.
> Reason is that I need to develop and run a small number of Ruby2 Rails 4 
> applications. These will have low traffic around 200 hits per day 
> possibly up to 500  hits over 24 hours in heavy load times, but most of 
> the time we expect 20-40 per day.
> It will be turned off at 10:30 pm and restarted about 8-9 am.
> 
> It will be Centos or Fedora OS, Ubuntu has been recommended but I prefer 
> Fedora.
> I have  a TG782t modem.
> 
> Have looked into shared servers, VPS, Heroku and each has more problems 
> than enough.
> Shared servers won't host Rails.
> VPS is way too expensive for the small requirements
> High security is not needed, if it got hacked I'd just reinstall 
> everything. But I do need my developer pc isolated against any attacks
> Heroku  uses only postgres I would rather mariaDB, sqlite or mysql. 
> Apparently postgres doesn't handle images too well but I have no 
> knowledge on that.
> 
> What would you recommend please.

Heroku
free for your purposes and fully supports RoR

PostgreSQL is in my opinion, much more reliable than MySQL/MariaDB.

In essence, RoR abstracts the database functionality so you could
relatively easily swap between different database servers or even do
development on MySQL and deployment on Postgres.

Pictures should not be in the database in any event. You might want to
check into something like Amazon S3 for storing pictures.

Craig



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Re: mcelog.service

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 06/18/2013 12:41 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 06/17/2013 07:21 PM, lee wrote:

Joe Zeff  writes:


On 06/16/2013 07:09 PM, lee wrote:
Just think it through and then explain to me how it would make 
sense to

dedicate (a part of the limited) resources to have mcelog constantly
running.


I take it, then, that you've either never heard of logrotate or have
some reason not to use it.


What would be the relevance of logrotate here?




You do know what it does, don't you?  Just to be sure, it keeps your 
system from being buried under a mass of old logfiles by rotating them 
from current to compressed archive to gone.  That means that when your 
hardware is working fine, all of the old data from mcelog goes away, 
but there's enough kept for you to search it for signs of trouble if 
you think you need to.  (On a side note, waiting until you think your 
hardware's getting flaky before starting it isn't always a good idea, 
because unless you're lucky you probably won't have time to collect 
and examine the data before it's too late.)


I must admit, however, that I've begun to wonder why I'm bothering 
because you've clearly made up your mind that you don't need mcelog 
running and have no intention of admitting that there might be reasons 
to have it active.  If so, do as you wish and stop bothering the rest 
of us.  Or, if I'm wrong, stop rejecting everything everybody says 
without even bothering to examine it, as you've been doing ever since 
you started this thread.

WOW!...LoL!


EGO II
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Re: USB printer connection

[Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.]

On 06/18/2013 12:53 AM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 17 June 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:

I guess I'll have to ditch my SAMBA 3 whitepapers and look into
the NFS thingie some more!

Always explore the options.


And I assume the NFS has "workable" access and file permissioning?

Linux box to Linux box, it works virtually the same as using a local
hard drive.  I can't remember about Windows to Linux (it was long ago).

Samba, when you use some of the extensions can do apparently native
Linux to Linux behaviour, but I found it far more convoluted than using
NFS.

NFS has security implications, and it's not without reason it got known
as no f*g security.  Samba also has security implications, especially
when people set it up to have none (the same people who drop firewalls,
turn off SELinux, have everything world writeable...).


Hmmstill don't know why everyone thinks Windows is the best and
brightest?!

Brainwashing...  Or, given no choice, they just go with the flow.


Well thanks for the info! Time to hit the web and do some serious research!



Cheers!



EGO II


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