Re: F18 defect in playing CDs.

[poma]

On 29.03.2013 00:29, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Previously in earlier versions of Fedora under GNOME when you put in a
> CD it played the CD with whatever program you indicated should be used
> automatically. Now that I have installed F18 on a second machine I found
> the same behavior as on the first machine. The CD is not played
> automatically but has to be played manually.
> 
> Why is this or what am I doing wrong?
> 

Regarding the title of this thread, Fedora is something totally
different than what GNOME is.

This is how an audio disc works from within Xfce. :)
http://goo.gl/sSna1

poma

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Re: Can't Load Fedora 15

[Reindl Harald]

Am 30.03.2013 04:51, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> Those with much more experience in the group and Linux will tell you that 
> this version is no longer supported, and
> that  you should download the current one if you need help. It sounds rather 
> cold when they say it, but they've
> answered these questions too often, about one a day, and we may be under 
> pressure to put out the next product.

you do not need to be snappy

* the 6 months release cycle is not new
* everybody who installs a OS should have enough brain to consider the 
life-cycle for his usage

so no, ZERO understanding for chosing the wrong distribution and ZERO
understanding for try to install a outdated OS on a new computer



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Re: undo rm -rf *

[Reindl Harald]

Am 30.03.2013 04:18, schrieb Bill Davidsen:
> Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> Am 26.03.2013 21:08, schrieb Rick Stevens:
>>> On 03/26/2013 10:35 AM, Reindl Harald issued this missive:


 Am 26.03.2013 18:03, schrieb Matthew Saltzman:
>> this is safe since a very long time
>>
>> [root@testserver:/tmp]$ LANG=c; /usr/bin/rm -rf .*
>> /usr/bin/rm: cannot remove directory: '.'
>> /usr/bin/rm: cannot remove directory: '..'
>
> Does this not depend on where in the tree you are and what permissions
> you have on . and ..?

 how many more permissions will you have than root?
>>>
>>> "rm" and "rmdir" take care to not delete "." or "..". "rm" also requires
>>> the "-f" along with "-r" to delete non-empty directories. You don't
>>> want to delete your current directory (".") and you sure don't want to
>>> delete its parent ("..")
>>
>> and you don't as proven above
>>
> I hate to say it, but I don't want to ever have to trust that the rm I'm 
> getting is the one I expect and not some
> alias, function, thing earlier on a PATH,

i hate to say it, but i know how to do my job and control aliases and PATH
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# .bash_profile
# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
  . ~/.bashrc
fi
export 
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/home/harry/bin:/scripts
unset USERNAME
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# .bashrc
PS1="\[\033[1;32m\][\u@\h:\w]$\[\033[0m\] "
# Source global definitions
if [ -f /etc/bashrc ]; then
 . /etc/bashrc
fi
if [ -f /usr/local/etc/bash_profile ]; then
 . /usr/local/etc/bash_profile
fi
export 
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/home/harry/bin:/scripts
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[harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /usr/local/etc/bash_profile | grep rm
alias rm='/usr/bin/rm -I --one-file-system'



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best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[M. Fioretti]

Greatings,

I started reading online to refresh what I knew about secure deletion
of files, and being sure that "free space" on an ext3/ext4 partition is
surely "free", that is you can't recover the files that _were_ there.

After reading this article:

http://techthrob.com/2009/03/02/howto-delete-files-permanently-and-securely-in-linux/

I found that there is a Fedora RPM for srm, and that the source code
for sfill is at http://www.thc.org/releases.php

I will (re)study these topics in detail in the next days. My first
interest is to understand if those (or other) tools are enough to be
sure, without reformatting/reinstalling, that, besides the files one
DOES want to keep, there really is nothing else recoverable on the
drive.

I'm very interested to know your opinion/experiences/suggestions about
this.

TIA,
Marco
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Re: best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 30.03.2013 12:58, schrieb M. Fioretti:
> I will (re)study these topics in detail in the next days. My first
> interest is to understand if those (or other) tools are enough to be
> sure, without reformatting/reinstalling

reformat / reinstall does not anything in the direction of the topic

> that, besides the files one DOES want to keep, there really is nothing 
> else recoverable on the drive

dd if/dev/urandom of=random.bin bs=16M; sync; rm -f random.bin

creates a file with random-stuff until the disk is full, syncs
it really to the disk and removes the file as the same with
dd if=/dev/zero will zerofill free space to make it
possible shink thin provisioned virtual-disks as example



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Re: best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[M. Fioretti]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 13:10:57 PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> dd if/dev/urandom of=random.bin bs=16M; sync; rm -f random.bin

thanks.
I assume there should be an equal sign after the "if", right?
Anyway:

- shouldn't this be done several times, to make sure that whatever was
  in the free space really is unrecoverable?

- apart from that, probably it's a mix of typos and English not being
  my native language, but honestly I don't understand the last two
  lines of your answer, that is the part after "as the same":

> creates a file with random-stuff until the disk is full, syncs it
> really to the disk and removes the file as the same with dd
> if=/dev/zero will zerofill free space to make it possible shink thin
> provisioned virtual-disks as example

may I ask you to rephrase them, please?

Marco

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Re: best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 30.03.2013 13:30, schrieb M. Fioretti:
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 13:10:57 PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> dd if/dev/urandom of=random.bin bs=16M; sync; rm -f random.bin
> 
> thanks.
> I assume there should be an equal sign after the "if", right?

ups - correct

> Anyway:
> 
> - shouldn't this be done several times, to make sure that whatever was
>   in the free space really is unrecoverable?

yes and no
yes in theory
no if you need not fear the CIA :-)

>> creates a file with random-stuff until the disk is full, syncs it
>> really to the disk and removes the file as the same with dd
>> if=/dev/zero will zerofill free space to make it possible shink thin
>> provisioned virtual-disks as example

if you have a virtual machine with growable disks and delete a lot of
data the disk will not get smaller, shrink the disk will not really work

after write zeros to the free space in the guest you can successful
shrink the virtual disk on the host system



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Re: best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[M. Fioretti]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 13:41:20 PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:

> if you have a virtual machine with growable disks and delete a lot of
> data the disk will not get smaller, shrink the disk will not really work
> 
> after write zeros to the free space in the guest you can successful
> shrink the virtual disk on the host system

ok, now I get what you meant, thanks.

And I also realize I forgot a part in my initial question: how to do
the same thing with the swap partition? Would this technique still
work or make the system unusable? (as I said, what I'm looking at is
how to clean a live, running system, hence the question)

Marco
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Re: Meta-discussions and the role of the Fedora Community

[Gergely Buday]

Steven Stern wrote:

> If you don't have something nice or helpful to say, don't say it.
>
> If you need more info, ask for it. If you suspect they don't know what
> they're doing, offer some assistance on how they can get that info.
>
> Quite frankly, if I were a newbie and I had a question and were met with
> such hostility, I'd think twice about all that stuff about the value of
> "the community".

Agreed. I would add: do not be a teacher if you are continuously upset
on students.

- Gergely
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Re: best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 30.03.2013 13:39, schrieb M. Fioretti:
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 13:41:20 PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
>> if you have a virtual machine with growable disks and delete a lot of
>> data the disk will not get smaller, shrink the disk will not really work
>>
>> after write zeros to the free space in the guest you can successful
>> shrink the virtual disk on the host system
> 
> ok, now I get what you meant, thanks.
> 
> And I also realize I forgot a part in my initial question: how to do
> the same thing with the swap partition? Would this technique still
> work or make the system unusable? (as I said, what I'm looking at is
> how to clean a live, running system, hence the question)

i do not use any swap partition, not needed on machines with 16 GB RAM :-)



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Re: best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[Heinz Diehl]

On 30.03.2013, M. Fioretti wrote: 

> - shouldn't this be done several times, to make sure that whatever was
>   in the free space really is unrecoverable?

One single write/overwrite operation is sufficient. No need for more.

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-540-89862-7_21

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Re: F18 defect in playing CDs.

[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2013-03-29 at 13:36 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/29/2013 01:08 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > I did that and it does not work for me on either of my F18 machines. On
> > previous Fedora versions it works so something is wrong. I guess I have
> > have to keep searching for an answer.
> 
> What music player do you use?  It might make a difference, although I 
> don't see how.
Rhythmbox.. I also don't see that should make a difference.
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Re: best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 12:58:31 +0100,
  "M. Fioretti"  wrote:

Greatings,

I started reading online to refresh what I knew about secure deletion
of files, and being sure that "free space" on an ext3/ext4 partition is
surely "free", that is you can't recover the files that _were_ there.


There are issues that may or may not apply to you depending on what you are 
really worried about (your threat model). Note for example that disk drives 
have spare sectors that may have been used for some of your data that you 
can't directly access. (Though the secure erase function of your disk drive 
is supposed to erase these sectors as well as the rest of the disk.) If 
you have a flash based device there is lots of space that you don't have 
direct access to and gets used regularly (unlike spare sectors on disk 
drives).


It makes a difference if you are concerned about attacks by users of the 
machine, people who grab the machine while it is powered on or people who 
grab it while powered off.


The latter case can be handled well by using encrypted partitions.

If you are worried only about files that used to exist, but don't going 
forward you may want to consider backing up just the files you want, 
overwriting the whole disk(s) with something (zeros should be fine) using dd,
then invoke the secure erase function of the disk(s). Then reinstall and 
restore from backup.

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Re: difference between output of "yum ps" and "needs-restarting"?

[Georg Wittig]

OP here.

Additionally, I just discovered strange behavior of the 
needs-restarting command,


1. After a "yum update" it usually reads lots of data from the net 
before outputting anything. I don't have any idea what it's reading, 
and from where and where it stores that data. Why isn't the info 
enough that "yum update" has?


2. Sometimes (in the sense of non-deterministically) needs-restarting 
reports processes I don't expect. Occasionally it even reports 10 to 
20 processes immediately after rebooting (i.e. immediately after login 
and su)! At other times it reports a couple of processes that it 
didn't report before (no explicit or implicit "yum update" in the 
meantime), and a couple of minutes later it doesn't report them any 
longer.


Just wondering...
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Re: difference between output of "yum ps" and "needs-restarting"?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 30.03.2013 16:16, schrieb Georg Wittig:
> OP here.
> 
> Additionally, I just discovered strange behavior of the needs-restarting 
> command,
> 
> 1. After a "yum update" it usually reads lots of data from the net before 
> outputting anything. I don't have any
> idea what it's reading, and from where and where it stores that data. Why 
> isn't the info enough that "yum update" has?
> 
> 2. Sometimes (in the sense of non-deterministically) needs-restarting reports 
> processes I don't expect.
> Occasionally it even reports 10 to 20 processes immediately after rebooting 
> (i.e. immediately after login and su)!
> At other times it reports a couple of processes that it didn't report before 
> (no explicit or implicit "yum update"
> in the meantime), and a couple of minutes later it doesn't report them any 
> longer.
> 
> Just wondering...

i never see this output anything



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Re: best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[M. Fioretti]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 09:54:41 AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

> It makes a difference if you are concerned about attacks by users of
> the machine, people who grab the machine while it is powered on

The two cases above are exactly what I had in mind, regardless of how
frequent/realistic they are. My brain just got stuck on them, I guess,
so I started refreshing what I knew on the topic. Any further comment
on those cases is welcome.

Marco
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fedora 18 and lsi latest kernels don't boot

[Gianluca Cecchi]

Hello,
default 3.6.10-4.fc18.x86_64 f18 install kernel is ok.
Instead both
kernel-3.8.4-202.fc18
and
3.7.9-205.fc18

stop at boot with error and systemd emergency shell and journalctl
shows like in this picture:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwoPbcrMv8mvd0Z0bExhTDYxQjQ/edit?usp=sharing

any hint?
I suspect raid controller:
The same thing happens on two intel blades after I install f18 and run
a yum update.


[root@management02 ~]# cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.6.10-4.fc18.x86_64
root=/dev/mapper/fedora_management02-root ro nomodeset rd.md=0
rd.lvm.lv=fedora_management02/root rd.dm=0
rd.lvm.lv=fedora_management02/swap rd.luks=0 vconsole.keymap=us rhgb
quiet

[root@management02 ~]# lspci|grep SCSI
04:00.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1064ET
PCI-Express Fusion-MPT SAS (rev 08)

[root@management02 ~]# cat /proc/mpt/version
mptlinux-3.04.20
  Fusion MPT base driver
  Fusion MPT SAS host driver

[root@management02 ~]# cat /proc/mpt/summary
ioc0: LSISAS1064E B3, FwRev=011eh, Ports=1, MaxQ=277, IRQ=30

processor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 6
model   : 26
model name  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU   X5570  @ 2.93GHz
stepping: 5
microcode   : 0x11
cpu MHz : 1596.000
cache size  : 8192 KB
physical id : 0
siblings: 8
core id : 0
cpu cores   : 4
apicid  : 0
initial apicid  : 0
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 11
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe
syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl
xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2
ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm dca sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt lahf_lm ida dtherm
tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid
bogomips: 5852.54
clflush size: 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

...

Thanks in advance,
Gianluca
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Re: fedora 18 and lsi latest kernels don't boot

[Reindl Harald]

Am 30.03.2013 17:35, schrieb Gianluca Cecchi:
> default 3.6.10-4.fc18.x86_64 f18 install kernel is ok.
> Instead both kernel-3.8.4-202.fc18 and 3.7.9-205.fc18
> 
> stop at boot with error and systemd emergency shell and journalctl
> shows like in this picture:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwoPbcrMv8mvd0Z0bExhTDYxQjQ/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> any hint?
> I suspect raid controller:
> The same thing happens on two intel blades after I install f18 and run
> a yum update.
>
> [root@management02 ~]# lspci|grep SCSI
> 04:00.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1064ET
> PCI-Express Fusion-MPT SAS (rev 08)
> 
> [root@management02 ~]# cat /proc/mpt/version
> mptlinux-3.04.20
>   Fusion MPT base driver
>   Fusion MPT SAS host driver

make a bugreport and consider use software-RAID which works damned
well and makes you independent of the hardware up to move the whole
RAID disks in another machine like the one below has a older
bitwise-clone on the other side of the city with different hardware

[root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ uname -r
3.8.5-201.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 28 21:01:19 UTC 2013

-
/dev/md0:
Version : 1.0
  Creation Time : Wed Jun  8 13:10:48 2011
 Raid Level : raid1
 Array Size : 511988 (500.07 MiB 524.28 MB)
  Used Dev Size : 511988 (500.07 MiB 524.28 MB)
   Raid Devices : 4
  Total Devices : 4
Persistence : Superblock is persistent

Update Time : Fri Mar 29 16:38:00 2013
  State : clean
 Active Devices : 4
Working Devices : 4
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0

   Name : localhost.localdomain:0
   UUID : 1d691642:baed26df:1d197496:4fb00ff8
 Events : 476

Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
   0   8   490  active sync   /dev/sdd1
   5   8   331  active sync   /dev/sdc1
   4   812  active sync   /dev/sda1
   3   8   173  active sync   /dev/sdb1
-
/dev/md1:
Version : 1.1
  Creation Time : Wed Jun  8 13:10:52 2011
 Raid Level : raid10
 Array Size : 30716928 (29.29 GiB 31.45 GB)
  Used Dev Size : 15358464 (14.65 GiB 15.73 GB)
   Raid Devices : 4
  Total Devices : 4
Persistence : Superblock is persistent

  Intent Bitmap : Internal

Update Time : Sat Mar 30 17:39:12 2013
  State : active
 Active Devices : 4
Working Devices : 4
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0

 Layout : near=2
 Chunk Size : 512K

   Name : localhost.localdomain:1
   UUID : b7475879:c95d9a47:c5043c02:0c5ae720
 Events : 11654

Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
   0   8   500  active sync   /dev/sdd2
   5   8   341  active sync   /dev/sdc2
   4   822  active sync   /dev/sda2
   3   8   183  active sync   /dev/sdb2
-
/dev/md2:
Version : 1.1
  Creation Time : Wed Jun  8 13:10:56 2011
 Raid Level : raid10
 Array Size : 3875222528 (3695.70 GiB 3968.23 GB)
  Used Dev Size : 1937611264 (1847.85 GiB 1984.11 GB)
   Raid Devices : 4
  Total Devices : 4
Persistence : Superblock is persistent

  Intent Bitmap : Internal

Update Time : Sat Mar 30 17:39:05 2013
  State : active
 Active Devices : 4
Working Devices : 4
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0

 Layout : near=2
 Chunk Size : 512K

   Name : localhost.localdomain:2
   UUID : ea253255:cb915401:f32794ad:ce0fe396
 Events : 268057

Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
   0   8   510  active sync   /dev/sdd3
   5   8   351  active sync   /dev/sdc3
   4   832  active sync   /dev/sda3
   3   8   193  active sync   /dev/sdb3
-
Personalities : [raid10] [raid1]
md1 : active raid10 sdb2[3] sda2[4] sdd2[0] sdc2[5]
  30716928 blocks super 1.1 512K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] []
  bitmap: 1/1 pages [4KB], 65536KB chunk

md0 : active raid1 sda1[4] sdb1[3] sdd1[0] sdc1[5]
  511988 blocks super 1.0 [4/4] []

md2 : active raid10 sda3[4] sdb3[3] sdd3[0] sdc3[5]
  3875222528 blocks super 1.1 512K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] []
  bitmap: 3/29 pages [12KB], 65536KB chunk

unused devices: 
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Re: Printing jobs

[Richard Vickery]

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 03/30/13 13:03, Richard Vickery wrote:
> > can anyone help me figure out what is going on here? I'll look at it in
> the morning, but still might not find it on my own.
> >
> > SELinux is preventing /usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups from search access on
> the directory /var/lib/hp.
> >
> >
>
> What is the output of
>
> ls -dZ /var/lib/hp
>
> It should be
>
> drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:cupsd_var_lib_t:s0 /var/lib/hp
>
> If it is not, then
>
> restorecon -R /var/lib/hp
>
>
Before and after the command restorecon -R /var/lib/hp, ls -dZ /var/lib/hp
reads

drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:hplip_var_lib_t:s0 /var/lib/hp

But, when I plug the USB printer, and it connects, the printer doesn't
exist:

$: lpr March*
lpr: Error - no default destination available.

Location in system-config-printer shows empty / vacant
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Re: best fedora solution to securely erase folders/clean free space?

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 17:17:52 +0100,
  "M. Fioretti"  wrote:

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 09:54:41 AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:


It makes a difference if you are concerned about attacks by users of
the machine, people who grab the machine while it is powered on


The two cases above are exactly what I had in mind, regardless of how
frequent/realistic they are. My brain just got stuck on them, I guess,
so I started refreshing what I knew on the topic. Any further comment
on those cases is welcome.


It makes sense to use luks encrypted partitions so that the file systems 
are not practically accessible once the keys are out of memory. You can 
also encrypt sensative files separately so that they aren't accessible 
in some cases where local users are able to get access to the files. If 
you think an attacker is going to try to read the luks keys from memory 
you may want to disable firewire to make it harder. If you are looking 
at possible seizure by people who are likely to try to do that with 
bad consequences if they do, then you might look at some deadman set ups. 
Using those risks losing all of your data when you are not under attack, 
so you need to be careful trying to do something like that. People have 
also been know to set up physical destruction of disk drives that can 
be triggered very quickly. Again there is a balancing act between making 
sure the drives are destroyed before they are seized and inadvertantly 
destroying them when there isn't a real threat.


Another attack you may need to worry about is the evil maid attack where 
the computer is accessed and hardware key loggers and the like are 
attached and then put back where it was, in the hope you will enter keys 
that will be obtained when the device is accessed again later.

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Where does one find yum ps?

[Aaron Konstam]

Recently there was mention of yum ps. I can't find that command sequence
anywhere. What am I missing?
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Re: Where does one find yum ps?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 30.03.2013 21:08, schrieb Aaron Konstam:
> Recently there was mention of yum ps. I can't find that command sequence
> anywhere. What am I missing?

if you would have read the thread you refer you would
type simply "yum install yum-plugin-ps"



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nx

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I am experiencing some issues with the display when I use nxclient.
What ever I choice for the display (in confidure), I get a session
which covers all my screen. It looks like that the size of the remore
machine sceen size is used and not the one of the local one
what ever I say: 1200x800, "available area", etc..

How can I configure the session properly to have the size of the
nx session fitting the size available on the local machine?

Thank.

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Re: nx

[Patrick Dupre]

On 2013-03-30 21:45, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

I am experiencing some issues with the display when I use nxclient.
What ever I choice for the display (in confidure), I get a session
which covers all my screen. It looks like that the size of the remore
machine sceen size is used and not the one of the local one
what ever I say: 1200x800, "available area", etc..

How can I configure the session properly to have the size of the
nx session fitting the size available on the local machine?

Thank.



In addition, when I run gnome-control-center (on the remote), I get:

libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
libGL error: Try again with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose for more details.

(gnome-control-center:23967): Gdk-ERROR **: The program 
'gnome-control-center' received an X Window System error.

This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib 
length erro'.

  (Details: serial 165 error_code 16 request_code 147 minor_code 1)
  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
   that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
   To debug your program, run it with the GDK_SYNCHRONIZE environment
   variable to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
   backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() 
function.)

Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)

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Re: Can't Load Fedora 15

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

>
>
> Am 30.03.2013 04:51, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> > Those with much more experience in the group and Linux will tell you
> that this version is no longer supported, and
> > that  you should download the current one if you need help. It sounds
> rather cold when they say it, but they've
> > answered these questions too often, about one a day, and we may be under
> pressure to put out the next product.
>
> you do not need to be snappy
>
> * the 6 months release cycle is not new
> * everybody who installs a OS should have enough brain to consider the
> life-cycle for his usage
>
> so no, ZERO understanding for chosing the wrong distribution and ZERO
> understanding for try to install a outdated OS on a new computer
>
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I'm just offering my understanding of the cycles, Reindl. Perhaps I should
have prefaced my contribution as such, but that is not grounds for calling
it ZERO. Calling my contribution ZERO indicates that I took a class on
understanding the development cycle, in which your ZERO would be
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am just here to contribute and learn what I can. Did I not start the piece
with a suggestive beginning that I may be wrong and those like yourself
with vastly superior knowledge would clear it up?
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Re: nx

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/30/2013 01:54 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:


In addition, when I run gnome-control-center (on the remote), I get:

libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
libGL error: Try again with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose for more details.

(gnome-control-center:23967): Gdk-ERROR **: The program
'gnome-control-center' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.


Have you checked Gnome Bugzilla to see if it's been reported?
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Re: Can't Load Fedora 15

[Reindl Harald]

Am 30.03.2013 22:07, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> I'm just offering my understanding of the cycles, Reindl. Perhaps I should 
> have prefaced my contribution as such,
> but that is not grounds for calling it ZERO. Calling my contribution ZERO 
> indicates that I took a class on
> understanding the development cycle, in which your ZERO would be 
> self-directed, or directed at Red Hat or Fedora,
> because you didn't teach the concepts properly, but there is no such course,  
> so why bash me when I am just here to
> contribute and learn what I can. Did I not start the piece with a suggestive 
> beginning that I may be wrong and
> those like yourself with vastly superior knowledge would clear it up?

you REALLY install a random operating system without
any research of basics? if you act in the real world
this way you would not have a chance to survive

https://www.google.com/search?q=fedora+life+cycle
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle?rd=LifeCycle



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kchildlock

[Frédéric Bron]

Hi,
I have installed and configured kchildlock to limit the use time of the
computer for some young users. However, nothing happens. Who can help me? I
am using fedora.
Frédéric
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Re: Printing jobs

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/31/13 02:02, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Ed Greshko  > wrote:
>
> On 03/30/13 13:03, Richard Vickery wrote:
> > can anyone help me figure out what is going on here? I'll look at it in 
> the morning, but still might not find it on my own.
> >
> > SELinux is preventing /usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups from search access on 
> the directory /var/lib/hp.
> >
> >
>
> What is the output of
>
> ls -dZ /var/lib/hp
>
> It should be
>
> drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:cupsd_var_lib_t:s0 /var/lib/hp
>
> If it is not, then
>
> restorecon -R /var/lib/hp
>
>
> Before and after the command restorecon -R /var/lib/hp, ls -dZ /var/lib/hp 
> reads
>
> drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:hplip_var_lib_t:s0 /var/lib/hp
>
> But, when I plug the USB printer, and it connects, the printer doesn't exist:
>
> $: lpr March*
> lpr: Error - no default destination available. 
>
> Location in system-config-printer shows empty / vacant
>

First, keep in mind that I'm currently addressing your selinux issue.

But, just to be sure, what is the output of the following commands.

rpm -qa | grep ^hp
lpstat -a
grep /var/lib/hp /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts

Then, would you mind to try this sequence?

[root@localhost ~]# cd /var/lib
[root@localhost lib]# rmdir hp
[root@localhost lib]# mkdir hp
[root@localhost lib]# ls -dZ hp
drwxr-xr-x. root root unconfined_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 hp
[root@localhost lib]# restorecon -RF hp
[root@localhost lib]# ls -dZ hp
drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:cupsd_var_lib_t:s0 hp





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Re: yum upgrade

[Timothy Murphy]

Reindl Harald wrote:

>> I would extend Thompson's dictum that "a program should do one thing,
>> and do it well" to documentation
> 
> if you want only ONE way to do things switch to Apple OSX

I think you misunderstand or misinterpret what Thompson said.
There is a big difference between having many programs
that do the same thing, and having one program
that does many things.

Re documentation, which I was referring to,
I like a tutorial-type document to deal with one subject,
in the shortest possible way.
Too much information can be as confusing as too little.

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Limiting .bash_history inputs

[Roger]

I am using Fedora 18.
A long time ago someone asked for a way to stop repeat commands like 
clear, ls -aFl,  and others from going into .bash_history.

Can someone please tell  me what the command was.
Thanks Roger
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Re: Limiting .bash_history inputs

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/31/13 09:12, Roger wrote:
> I am using Fedora 18.
> A long time ago someone asked for a way to stop repeat commands like clear, 
> ls -aFl,  and others from going into .bash_history.
> Can someone please tell  me what the command was.
> Thanks Roger

I think you are looking for the environment variable

HISTCONTROL=ignoredups

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Re: Limiting .bash_history inputs

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/31/13 09:23, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 03/31/13 09:12, Roger wrote:
>> I am using Fedora 18.
>> A long time ago someone asked for a way to stop repeat commands like clear, 
>> ls -aFl,  and others from going into .bash_history.
>> Can someone please tell  me what the command was.
>> Thanks Roger
> I think you are looking for the environment variable
>
> HISTCONTROL=ignoredups
>

Or maybe you want HISTCONTROL=erasedups

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Re: Printing jobs

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 03/31/13 02:02, Richard Vickery wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Ed Greshko  ed.gres...@greshko.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On 03/30/13 13:03, Richard Vickery wrote:
> > > can anyone help me figure out what is going on here? I'll look at
> it in the morning, but still might not find it on my own.
> > >
> > > SELinux is preventing /usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups from search
> access on the directory /var/lib/hp.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > What is the output of
> >
> > ls -dZ /var/lib/hp
> >
> > It should be
> >
> > drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:cupsd_var_lib_t:s0
> /var/lib/hp
> >
> > If it is not, then
> >
> > restorecon -R /var/lib/hp
> >
> >
> > Before and after the command restorecon -R /var/lib/hp, ls -dZ
> /var/lib/hp reads
> >
> > drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:hplip_var_lib_t:s0 /var/lib/hp
> >
> > But, when I plug the USB printer, and it connects, the printer doesn't
> exist:
> >
> > $: lpr March*
> > lpr: Error - no default destination available.
> >
> > Location in system-config-printer shows empty / vacant
> >
>
> First, keep in mind that I'm currently addressing your selinux issue.
>
> But, just to be sure, what is the output of the following commands.
>
> rpm -qa | grep ^hp
> lpstat -a
> grep /var/lib/hp /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts
>
> Then, would you mind to try this sequence?
>
> [root@localhost ~]# cd /var/lib
> [root@localhost lib]# rmdir hp
> [root@localhost lib]# mkdir hp
> [root@localhost lib]# ls -dZ hp
> drwxr-xr-x. root root unconfined_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 hp
> [root@localhost lib]# restorecon -RF hp
> [root@localhost lib]# ls -dZ hp
> drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:cupsd_var_lib_t:s0 hp
>
>
>

$ rpm -qa | grep ^hp
hplip-libs-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
hplip-gui-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
hplip-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
hplip-common-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
hpijs-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64

$ lpstat -a
HP_LaserJet_P1005 accepting requests since Sat 30 Mar 2013 05:47:46 PM PDT

$ grep /var/lib/hp /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts
/var/lib/hp(/.*)? system_u:object_r:hplip_var_lib_t:s0

I've got hplip installed rather than - or in addition to - cups

[root@localhost lib]# ls -dZ hp
drwxr-xr-x. root root unconfined_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 hp
[root@localhost lib]# restorecon -RF hp
[root@localhost lib]# ls -dZ hp
drwxr-xr-x. root root system_u:object_r:hplip_var_lib_t:s0 hp
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Re: Can't Load Fedora 15

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

>
>
> Am 30.03.2013 22:07, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> > I'm just offering my understanding of the cycles, Reindl. Perhaps I
> should have prefaced my contribution as such,
> > but that is not grounds for calling it ZERO. Calling my contribution
> ZERO indicates that I took a class on
> > understanding the development cycle, in which your ZERO would be
> self-directed, or directed at Red Hat or Fedora,
> > because you didn't teach the concepts properly, but there is no such
> course,  so why bash me when I am just here to
> > contribute and learn what I can. Did I not start the piece with a
> suggestive beginning that I may be wrong and
> > those like yourself with vastly superior knowledge would clear it up?
>
> you REALLY install a random operating system without
> any research of basics? if you act in the real world
> this way you would not have a chance to survive
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=fedora+life+cycle
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle?rd=LifeCycle
>
>
In my world, those of political science and law, research is done in books
or online reports where we know what to look for, and we have a pretty good
knowledge of what the cases are that we're making; plus, we have librarians
ready and willing to help find information. Excuse my ignorance, but I
neither knew, nor heard anyone suggest, that I had to go grab information
and insight from some webpage, the existence of which most contributors, at
least in my place, are clueless of.
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Re: Can't Load Fedora 15

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/30/2013 08:09 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

In my world, those of political science and law, research is done in
books or online reports where we know what to look for, and we have a
pretty good knowledge of what the cases are that we're making; plus, we
have librarians ready and willing to help find information. Excuse my
ignorance, but I neither knew, nor heard anyone suggest, that I had to
go grab information and insight from some webpage, the existence of
which most contributors, at least in my place, are clueless of.


So what you're saying is, it never would have occurred to you to go to 
the distro's website and see what the people putting it out have to say 
about it, before using it?

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Re: Printing jobs

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/31/13 10:46, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
>  
> $ rpm -qa | grep ^hp
> hplip-libs-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> hplip-gui-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> hplip-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> hplip-common-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> hpijs-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64

OK.

>
> $ lpstat -a
> HP_LaserJet_P1005 accepting requests since Sat 30 Mar 2013 05:47:46 PM PDT

So, the printer is defined.  Earlier you noted

$: lpr March*
lpr: Error - no default destination available.

Since you don't have a default set, you should be able to print with

lpr -P HP_LaserJet_P1005 file_to_print


>
> $ grep /var/lib/hp /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts
> /var/lib/hp(/.*)?system_u:object_r:hplip_var_lib_t:s0

That is very odd.  All of my systems have...

/var/lib/hp(/.*)?   system_u:object_r:cupsd_var_lib_t:s0

Does this match?

[egreshko@meimei files]$ rpm -q selinux-policy-targeted
selinux-policy-targeted-3.11.1-86.fc18.noarch



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Re: Window edges

[Richard England]

On 03/10/2013 01:13 PM, Beartooth wrote:

My PCs fall into two classes. One has windows whose every edge
and corner I can grab right onto with the greatest of ease, when I want
to move one or change its size. The others make these jobs almost
impossible, at least for those with trifocal fingers and arthritic
eyeballs.

Somewhere I picked up an implication that the difference is in an
actual setting -- and I can control it. HOW??




With out knowing the specific WM it is hard to say where to go to change 
the settings but I suspect you need to look for something like 'System > 
Preferences > appearance' or where ever you can change the Theme that 
you are using. The width of the border is controlled by the Theme in use 
and can usually be modified specifically by using a 'Customize' button 
and looking for the 'Border' control.


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Re: Printing jobs

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/31/13 11:20, Ed Greshko wrote:
> So, the printer is defined.  Earlier you noted
>
> $: lpr March*
> lpr: Error - no default destination available.

Forgot to mention, you can set the default simply by issuing this command as 
root

lpadmin -d HP_LaserJet_P1005

and you'll not need to use the -P option


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Re: Can't Load Fedora 15

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 03/30/2013 08:09 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
>> In my world, those of political science and law, research is done in
>> books or online reports where we know what to look for, and we have a
>> pretty good knowledge of what the cases are that we're making; plus, we
>> have librarians ready and willing to help find information. Excuse my
>> ignorance, but I neither knew, nor heard anyone suggest, that I had to
>> go grab information and insight from some webpage, the existence of
>> which most contributors, at least in my place, are clueless of.
>>
>
> So what you're saying is, it never would have occurred to you to go to the
> distro's website and see what the people putting it out have to say about
> it, before using it?
>
>
How would I know to look for something that I would not be sure I had an
interest in, let alone know exists?
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Re: Can't Load Fedora 15

[Joe Zeff]

On 03/30/2013 08:47 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:



How would I know to look for something that I would not be sure I had an
interest in, let alone know exists?


Well, you could start by going to https://fedoraproject.org/ and looking 
around to see what the people running have to say.  I think it's called 
"due diligence," or something like that.

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Re: Printing jobs

[Richard Vickery]

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 03/31/13 10:46, Richard Vickery wrote:
> >
> >
> > $ rpm -qa | grep ^hp
> > hplip-libs-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> > hplip-gui-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> > hplip-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> > hplip-common-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> > hpijs-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
>
> OK.
>
> >
> > $ lpstat -a
> > HP_LaserJet_P1005 accepting requests since Sat 30 Mar 2013 05:47:46 PM
> PDT
>
> So, the printer is defined.  Earlier you noted
>
> $: lpr March*
> lpr: Error - no default destination available.
>
> Since you don't have a default set, you should be able to print with
>
> lpr -P HP_LaserJet_P1005 file_to_print
>
>
> >
> > $ grep /var/lib/hp /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts
> > /var/lib/hp(/.*)?system_u:object_r:hplip_var_lib_t:s0
>
> That is very odd.  All of my systems have...
>

I suppose it's that I use hplip rather than cups?

>
> /var/lib/hp(/.*)?   system_u:object_r:cupsd_var_lib_t:s0
>
> Does this match?
>
> [egreshko@meimei files]$ rpm -q selinux-policy-targeted
> selinux-policy-targeted-3.11.1-86.fc18.noarch
>
> I get the following:

rpm -q selinux-policy-targeted
selinux-policy-targeted-3.11.1-71.fc18.noarch
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Re: Printing jobs

[Ed Greshko]

On 03/31/13 12:38, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ed Greshko  > wrote:
>
> On 03/31/13 10:46, Richard Vickery wrote:
> >
> >
> > $ rpm -qa | grep ^hp
> > hplip-libs-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> > hplip-gui-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> > hplip-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> > hplip-common-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
> > hpijs-3.13.2-1.fc18.x86_64
>
> OK.
>
> >
> > $ lpstat -a
> > HP_LaserJet_P1005 accepting requests since Sat 30 Mar 2013 05:47:46 PM 
> PDT
>
> So, the printer is defined.  Earlier you noted
>
> $: lpr March*
> lpr: Error - no default destination available.
>
> Since you don't have a default set, you should be able to print with
>
> lpr -P HP_LaserJet_P1005 file_to_print
>
>
> >
> > $ grep /var/lib/hp /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts
> > /var/lib/hp(/.*)?system_u:object_r:hplip_var_lib_t:s0
>
> That is very odd.  All of my systems have...
>
>
> I suppose it's that I use hplip rather than cups?

No.  The file /etc/selinux/targeted/contexts/files/file_contexts is provided by 
selinux-policy-targeted.  cups and hplip are not mutually exclusive.

I just checked and earlier versions of the policy did have hplip_var_lib

So

yum update selinux-policy-targeted

Should correct that problem

Can you print with lpr using either -P or setting the default?

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Re: Can't Load Fedora 15

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 30 March 2013, Joe Zeff sent:
> Well, you could start by going to https://fedoraproject.org/ and
> looking around to see what the people running have to say.  I think
> it's called "due diligence," or something like that. 

The trouble with trawling the web, or even single websites, is that
you're in "needle in a haystack" territory.  Especially when sites move
away from having a structured content (e.g. a table of contents that you
can follow, that does not miss out some of the site contents), to being
a mess of a small aspect of the site being thrown on the front page in
an incoherent splatter.

As examples, over time is has ranged from being easy, to damn near
impossible, to find the Fedora pages about hardware requirements, or
checksum checking your downloaded ISO file.  Never mind information
about handling the more obtuse installations.

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