Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

[Ali Lloyd]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 3:23 AM Mark Wieder  wrote:
>It seems from the App Browser / Project Browser and Property Inspector
>arguments that I've been expecting too much, and we really can't have
>alternatives.

I have no idea why you've drawn this conclusion, as I've repeatedly told
you and said elsewhere that this is not the case.

There are two separate issues here:
1) Our out-of-the-box palettes should be as useful as possible for someone
with no plugins. Hence the soliciting of opinion. Disagree? I'm happy for a
million application browsers to exist, I just don't want to maintain them.
I can't understand how you're viewing the idea of seeking to improve the
IDE's palettes as somehow a negative.

2) Making it possible to replace the palettes. Gradually the IDE routes all
palette-related opening through a revIDEPaletteToStackName function. So
once everything goes through that, and we provide a hook to override it,
you will be able to use any stack in place of a given palette.

Moreover the better the data provision for *our* palettes, the more useful
IDE functions there are for replacement palettes to use. Whatever we add to
a given object's inspector properties, for example, is parsed into the
properties array that the IDE library passes to the inspector.

Should a user plugin wish to use that array, adding the tooltip fixes it
for them too. Adding tooltip to the old inspector helps no-one in this
particular regard, as far as I can see.


On 10/08/2015 02:14 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote:
>
> > 2) The new inspector is *really* flexible for the classic objects. Have a
> > look at this fix for bug 16118 (no way to change a scrollbar's tooltip in
> > the property inspector):
> > https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/562/files
>
>
>
> > We'd like to make it as good and useful as possible. If the worst you can
> > say is you can't see any advantages, then I think the non-obvious ones
> > above make it well worth it ;-) Otherwise it would be great to hear
> > constructive criticism and suggestions for improvement.
>
> Well, I've been thinking of the the new IDE framework as just being that
> and allowing for plugin replacement of the various components.
>
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Download does not work in standalone

[Tore Nilsen]

I am having trouble with this script in a standalone application for OSX. It 
works alright in the IDE, but will not work when a standalone is built. 

on mouseUp
   hide group "DownloadInfo"
   put gValgtLeksjon & ".pdf" into tFilNavn
   ask file "Velg hvor du vil lagre filen:" with tFilnavn as sheet
   if the result is not "Cancel" then
  put it into tPath
  if field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" is empty 
then
 put gThisPage & "/pdf" into tResourcePath
  else
 put field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" into 
tResourcePath
  end if
  put "Laster ned fil: " & tFilnavn into field "DownloadInfo"
  if char 1 to 4 of tResourcePath is not "http" then
 answer tResourcePath & " er ikke en gyldig lenke!" with "Avbryt"
 if it is "Avbryt" then
exit mouseUp
 end if
  end if
  libURLSetStatusCallback "showProgress",the long ID of me
  libURLDownloadToFile tResourcePath,tPath,"downloadComplete"
   end if
end mouseUp

I also had some problems with the CEF-browser, but choosing libraries manually 
in the standalone settings solved that problem. Somehow it seems as if the 
internet library is not included in the standalone files. 

I wonder if anyone has any solutions to this problem.

Regards
Tore Nilsen


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Data Validation of copied Data in a field

[Hillen Richard]

Hello list,

until now I used the closefield message to validate data typed into a field.
This worked until someone copied the data into the input field.

To validate such copied data too, I look for a method / message to trigger the 
data validation after pasting.
But I didn´t find a solution.
There is a message „passkey“ which I didn´t get it to work.

May you help?

Richard.
(LC 6.7.4 on OS X 10.10)
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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Mike Kerner]

All of the crashes I have seen in the IDE have been the result of plugins -
I'm not saying that the plugins were buggy, but something broke with the
plugins in place.  A couple of times, I've discovered that if the plugins
are set to start with the IDE, it will crash, but if I start them after the
IDE has loaded, all's well.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:59 PM,  wrote:

> I almost never see a crash. Maybe a handful of times since I started using
> LC in earnest, perhaps six years ago. I am still in 6.7, though, and
> rearely use anything fancy.
>
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dr. Hawkins 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 9:49 pm
> Subject: the constant crashing of the IDE
>
>
> I'm seeing constant crashing of the IDE that I can't quite reproduce.
> I'm
> pretty sure that it's ore than one thing, as sometimes live code
> crashes
> while just opening a stack.
>
> But I'm starting to think I see a
> connect to it happening when a cursor has
> been left in a field or in an
> inspector.  But I just can't pin it down.
>
> Are other people seeing this?  When
> it happens, I get a crash every 3-5
> mutes, and it's usually when I"m adjusting
> card elements, not while editing
> scripts.
>
> --
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> Esq.
> (702)
> 508-8462
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Re: Forking Versions

[Mike Kerner]

wow, what a pain.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Monte Goulding 
wrote:

> Oh, you also need to add the official repo as a remote on your fork:
>
> git remote add upstream https://github.com/livecode/livecode.git <
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode.git>
>
> This adds the official repo as a remote named upstream which is the normal
> name of the original repo when you have a fork. Your fork is called origin.
> What you want to do is pull the changes from upstream (the company repo),
> make commits and push them to origin (your fork). If you have anything to
> contribute you can then send a pull request which is basically a request
> for them to merge in the changes on a branch on your fork into the official
> repo.
>
> Now that you have added upstream as a remote you want to set the upstream
> of each of the official branches that you have checked out. Say you have
> checked out develop (livecode 8) then you want to do this:
>
> git branch --set-upstream develop upstream/develop
>
> This means that when you checkout develop and pull it will automatically
> pull from the upstream remote (the company repo) rather than your origin
> remote (your fork).
>
> Anyway I hope that helps ;-)
>
> > On 9 Oct 2015, at 5:55 am, Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
> >
> > 1) In Git, if I have a fork, but then there are updates to the master
> > branch, and I want to take those and replace at least some of the
> contents
> > in my fork, do I have to create a new fork and download the entire
> project,
> > again?  That seems like it would screw up the things I've been working on
> > in my fork, and mean that I would have to manually re-integrated the
> things
> > I'm doing in the files I'm working on.
> >
> > 2) I've been messing around with various widgets, but I'm not messing
> with
> > the engine, but there does not seem to be a way to fork part of the
> project
> > without forking all of it.
> >
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How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello,

I have an option button with long text lines as options, but the button
itself is smaller (width) as the text lines (because of layout
restrictions), so that you can't read the full text of the options.

Now I would like to find any solution to show the user the full content of
the text lines before he clicks any choice. Either by hovering or right
click or anything else I would like to put the line into the tooltip or
anything else. By now I failed to grab the hilitedLine of the option menu.

Any idea how to access the text by hovering or right click?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 

 

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Re: Data Validation of copied Data in a field

[dunbarx]

Why not use the "textChanged" message? It does not care about the method that 
the user might use to, er, change the text.


On the other point, did you mean the "pasteKey" message? This is trapped by the 
IDE unless you turn off development tools. Check out the "Development" menu.


Craig Newman



-Original Message-
From: Hillen Richard 
To: use-livecode 
Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:34 am
Subject: Data Validation of copied Data in a field


Hello list,

until now I used the closefield message to validate data typed into
a field.
This worked until someone copied the data into the input field.

To
validate such copied data too, I look for a method / message to trigger the data
validation after pasting.
But I didn´t find a solution.
There is a message
„passkey“ which I didn´t get it to work.

May you help?

Richard.
(LC 6.7.4 on
OS X 10.10)
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Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[dunbarx]

Why not set the toolTip to the text of the button? I don't know how large a 
display that would be, or whether that format would be tenable.


You could always use the "mouseWithin" message to display a field, offset a bit 
from the combo. and display the text of the button. At least you can control 
the properties of the field.


Craig Newman



-Original Message-
From: Tiemo Hollmann TB 
To: LiveCode User Liste senden 
Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:50 am
Subject: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?


Hello,

I have an option button with long text lines as options, but the
button
itself is smaller (width) as the text lines (because of
layout
restrictions), so that you can't read the full text of the
options.

Now I would like to find any solution to show the user the full
content of
the text lines before he clicks any choice. Either by hovering or
right
click or anything else I would like to put the line into the tooltip
or
anything else. By now I failed to grab the hilitedLine of the option
menu.

Any idea how to access the text by hovering or right
click?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 




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Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[dunbarx]

Hi.

I should have mentioned that the "mouseEnter" message would be the best to
set the toolTip, and perhaps as well to display that field, should you want
to go that route.

Craig



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AW: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Craig,

I don't want to display the full text of the option button, but only one
line of the text while hovering the text (or right click buttonDown on a
single line), so that the user can see, what he would choose, if he clicks
any line.
I think my problem is that "the hilitedline" works only with fields and not
with the text of an option button, as far as I see it.
Thank you
Tiemo


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von dunb...@aol.com
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Oktober 2015 15:00
An: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Betreff: Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

Why not set the toolTip to the text of the button? I don't know how large a
display that would be, or whether that format would be tenable.


You could always use the "mouseWithin" message to display a field, offset a
bit from the combo. and display the text of the button. At least you can
control the properties of the field.


Craig Newman



-Original Message-
From: Tiemo Hollmann TB 
To: LiveCode User Liste senden 
Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:50 am
Subject: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?


Hello,

I have an option button with long text lines as options, but the button
itself is smaller (width) as the text lines (because of layout
restrictions), so that you can't read the full text of the options.

Now I would like to find any solution to show the user the full content of
the text lines before he clicks any choice. Either by hovering or right
click or anything else I would like to put the line into the tooltip or
anything else. By now I failed to grab the hilitedLine of the option menu.

Any idea how to access the text by hovering or right click?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 




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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> All of the crashes I have seen in the IDE have been the result of plugins -
>


I have *no* plugins and one library stack with scripts.  I see a few
crashes an hour when this is happening, the majority happening when I
save.  About 80% of the time on those, I end up with a truncated file.

When I get repeated crashes when saving, I try opening livecode, turning
off messages, saving, making a small number of changes, and saving again,
which usually gets me there.

-- 
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(702) 508-8462
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Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[Peter M. Brigham]

One solution that I use is a home-made popup list. It takes 10 minutes of 
set-up but once you have it in place you can call this function on mouseup 
anywhere you want it. The basic idea is to have a separate popup button in your 
stack (invisible) that is loaded on the fly then shown with a "popup btn xxx" 
command. See below.

Can be used for right-click contextual menus too. Anywhere.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmb...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

---

function popChoose
   -- popChoose() is the equivalent of the "answer" command, but for a pop-up 
list
   -- pops up a list of options, returns the option chosen by the user,
   --if no option chosen, exits to top
   -- you must have a button "contextualMenu"
   --button style = menu, menumode = popup, name = "contextualMenu"
   --the button should be placed in your mainstack or a library stack
   --button can be made invisible when you're done, if you like
   -- the button script needs only one handler:
   --on menupick what
   --   set the uSelection of me to what
   --end menupick
   -- paste this handler into a suitable stack script, so it's available 
anywhere
   --could be the same stack the button is in, but that's not necessary
   -- enter the short name of the stack containing the button
   --into the constant declaration below
   
   -- popChoose() can accept a cr-delimited list of choices
   --or a comma-delimited list
   -- eg: put "parsley" & cr & "sage" & cr & "rosemary" into choiceList
   -- put popChoose(choiceList) into userChoice
   -- or: put popChoose(choice1,choice2,choice3) into userChoice
   -- or: put popChoose("parsley","sage","rosemary","-","thyme") \
  --   into userChoice
   -- if you need the line number of the chosen item, check the dialogdata
   --after calling popChoose()
   -- by Peter M. Brigham, pmb...@gmail.com — freeware
   
   constant popChooseStackName = "yourLibraryStack"
   
   repeat with n = 1 to paramcount()
  put param(n) & cr after tList
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of tList
   put empty into u
   set the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName to 
empty
   put tList into btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName
   popup btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName
   put the menuhistory of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName \
 into lineNbr
   put the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName into u
   set the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName to 
empty
   put empty into btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName
   -- belt and suspenders, don't leave contents hanging around
   select empty
   if u = empty then
  exit to top
  -- ie, mouseRelease, no action
   end if
   set the dialogdata to lineNbr
   return u
end popChoose


On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi Craig,
> 
> I don't want to display the full text of the option button, but only one
> line of the text while hovering the text (or right click buttonDown on a
> single line), so that the user can see, what he would choose, if he clicks
> any line.
> I think my problem is that "the hilitedline" works only with fields and not
> with the text of an option button, as far as I see it.
> Thank you
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
> von dunb...@aol.com
> Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Oktober 2015 15:00
> An: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Betreff: Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?
> 
> Why not set the toolTip to the text of the button? I don't know how large a
> display that would be, or whether that format would be tenable.
> 
> 
> You could always use the "mouseWithin" message to display a field, offset a
> bit from the combo. and display the text of the button. At least you can
> control the properties of the field.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tiemo Hollmann TB 
> To: LiveCode User Liste senden 
> Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:50 am
> Subject: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have an option button with long text lines as options, but the button
> itself is smaller (width) as the text lines (because of layout
> restrictions), so that you can't read the full text of the options.
> 
> Now I would like to find any solution to show the user the full content of
> the text lines before he clicks any choice. Either by hovering or right
> click or anything else I would like to put the line into the tooltip or
> anything else. By now I failed to grab the hilitedLine of the option menu.
> 
> Any idea how to access the text by hovering or right click?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Data Validation of copied Data in a field

[Bob Sneidar]

Are you saying that the closefield is not triggered when you leave the field 
after pasting text??? Very odd! You can use the textChanged message, but that 
will get triggered every time someone types text. That would be very hard to 
work with, timing loops and all. 

Try setting a breakpoint in your closeField handler then pasting text into the 
field. I have a hard time believing closeField is not being triggered. 

Bob S


> On Oct 9, 2015, at 05:33 , Hillen Richard  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> until now I used the closefield message to validate data typed into a field.
> This worked until someone copied the data into the input field.
> 
> To validate such copied data too, I look for a method / message to trigger 
> the data validation after pasting.
> But I didn´t find a solution.
> There is a message „passkey“ which I didn´t get it to work.
> 
> May you help?
> 
> Richard.
> (LC 6.7.4 on OS X 10.10)
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Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[Bob Sneidar]

I wouldn't use an option buttin in this case, I'd use a multi-line field. You 
can preface each option with a bullet and tab (I use a graphic for a bullet to 
maintain cross platform look and feel).

Bob S


On Oct 9, 2015, at 06:51 , Tiemo Hollmann TB 
mailto:toolb...@kestner.de>> wrote:

Hello,

I have an option button with long text lines as options, but the button
itself is smaller (width) as the text lines (because of layout
restrictions), so that you can't read the full text of the options.

Now I would like to find any solution to show the user the full content of
the text lines before he clicks any choice. Either by hovering or right
click or anything else I would like to put the line into the tooltip or
anything else. By now I failed to grab the hilitedLine of the option menu.

Any idea how to access the text by hovering or right click?

Thanks

Tiemo

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AW: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thanks for the idea Bob
Tiemo


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Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Oktober 2015 16:42
An: How to use LiveCode 
Betreff: Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

I wouldn't use an option buttin in this case, I'd use a multi-line field.
You can preface each option with a bullet and tab (I use a graphic for a
bullet to maintain cross platform look and feel).

Bob S


On Oct 9, 2015, at 06:51 , Tiemo Hollmann TB
mailto:toolb...@kestner.de>> wrote:

Hello,

I have an option button with long text lines as options, but the button
itself is smaller (width) as the text lines (because of layout
restrictions), so that you can't read the full text of the options.

Now I would like to find any solution to show the user the full content of
the text lines before he clicks any choice. Either by hovering or right
click or anything else I would like to put the line into the tooltip or
anything else. By now I failed to grab the hilitedLine of the option menu.

Any idea how to access the text by hovering or right click?

Thanks

Tiemo

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AW: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thanks fort he idea Peter
Tiemo

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Peter M. Brigham
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Oktober 2015 16:32
An: How to use LiveCode 
Betreff: Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

One solution that I use is a home-made popup list. It takes 10 minutes of
set-up but once you have it in place you can call this function on mouseup
anywhere you want it. The basic idea is to have a separate popup button in
your stack (invisible) that is loaded on the fly then shown with a "popup
btn xxx" command. See below.

Can be used for right-click contextual menus too. Anywhere.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmb...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

---

function popChoose
   -- popChoose() is the equivalent of the "answer" command, but for a
pop-up list
   -- pops up a list of options, returns the option chosen by the user,
   --if no option chosen, exits to top
   -- you must have a button "contextualMenu"
   --button style = menu, menumode = popup, name = "contextualMenu"
   --the button should be placed in your mainstack or a library stack
   --button can be made invisible when you're done, if you like
   -- the button script needs only one handler:
   --on menupick what
   --   set the uSelection of me to what
   --end menupick
   -- paste this handler into a suitable stack script, so it's available
anywhere
   --could be the same stack the button is in, but that's not necessary
   -- enter the short name of the stack containing the button
   --into the constant declaration below
   
   -- popChoose() can accept a cr-delimited list of choices
   --or a comma-delimited list
   -- eg: put "parsley" & cr & "sage" & cr & "rosemary" into choiceList
   -- put popChoose(choiceList) into userChoice
   -- or: put popChoose(choice1,choice2,choice3) into userChoice
   -- or: put popChoose("parsley","sage","rosemary","-","thyme") \
  --   into userChoice
   -- if you need the line number of the chosen item, check the dialogdata
   --after calling popChoose()
   -- by Peter M. Brigham, pmb...@gmail.com — freeware
   
   constant popChooseStackName = "yourLibraryStack"
   
   repeat with n = 1 to paramcount()
  put param(n) & cr after tList
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of tList
   put empty into u
   set the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName to
empty
   put tList into btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName
   popup btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName
   put the menuhistory of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName \
 into lineNbr
   put the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName
into u
   set the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName to
empty
   put empty into btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName
   -- belt and suspenders, don't leave contents hanging around
   select empty
   if u = empty then
  exit to top
  -- ie, mouseRelease, no action
   end if
   set the dialogdata to lineNbr
   return u
end popChoose


On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hi Craig,
> 
> I don't want to display the full text of the option button, but only 
> one line of the text while hovering the text (or right click 
> buttonDown on a single line), so that the user can see, what he would 
> choose, if he clicks any line.
> I think my problem is that "the hilitedline" works only with fields 
> and not with the text of an option button, as far as I see it.
> Thank you
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im 
> Auftrag von dunb...@aol.com
> Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Oktober 2015 15:00
> An: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Betreff: Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?
> 
> Why not set the toolTip to the text of the button? I don't know how 
> large a display that would be, or whether that format would be tenable.
> 
> 
> You could always use the "mouseWithin" message to display a field, 
> offset a bit from the combo. and display the text of the button. At 
> least you can control the properties of the field.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tiemo Hollmann TB 
> To: LiveCode User Liste senden 
> Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:50 am
> Subject: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have an option button with long text lines as options, but the 
> button itself is smaller (width) as the text lines (because of layout 
> restrictions), so that you can't read the full text of the options.
> 
> Now I would like to find any solution to show the user the full 
> content of the text lines before he clicks any choice. Either by 
> hovering or right click or anything else I would like to put the line 
> into the tooltip or anything else. By now I failed to g

LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Rick Harrison]

Hi there,

I was thinking about how RunRev could expand it’s user base,
and I thought for fun I’d see if it was at least listed in the
Apple App store for the Macintosh.

To my astonishment, I found It is not listed there at all!

It seems to me that it would at least be a good venue
to have it listed there for some free advertising.

I’m wondering why Kevin and the team haven’t
listed it there as a potential way to expand it’s
customer base?

LiveCode should also be made available in
the other app stores too!

Just my 2 cents for the day.  ;-)

Rick


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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Roger Eller]

If not LiveCode itself, then at least a downloader app which grabs the
latest Stable GM.  Most Windows users (regular folks) have no idea that
programming in actually within their reach.  So yeah.  ALL desktop app
stores should have LC in-stock.  Great idea, Rick

~Roger


On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rick Harrison 
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I was thinking about how RunRev could expand it’s user base,
> and I thought for fun I’d see if it was at least listed in the
> Apple App store for the Macintosh.
>
> To my astonishment, I found It is not listed there at all!
>
> It seems to me that it would at least be a good venue
> to have it listed there for some free advertising.
>
> I’m wondering why Kevin and the team haven’t
> listed it there as a potential way to expand it’s
> customer base?
>
> LiveCode should also be made available in
> the other app stores too!
>
> Just my 2 cents for the day.  ;-)
>
> Rick
>
>
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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Mark Schonewille]

So you see any installers in the Mac App Store? Maintaining the App Store is a 
lot of extra work. It would be great if LC were available there, but the work 
is probably what keep RunRev from doing so.

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Op 9 okt. 2015 om 17:20 heeft Roger Eller  het 
volgende geschreven:

> If not LiveCode itself, then at least a downloader app which grabs the
> latest Stable GM.  Most Windows users (regular folks) have no idea that
> programming in actually within their reach.  So yeah.  ALL desktop app
> stores should have LC in-stock.  Great idea, Rick
> 
> ~Roger
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rick Harrison 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> I was thinking about how RunRev could expand it’s user base,
>> and I thought for fun I’d see if it was at least listed in the
>> Apple App store for the Macintosh.
>> 
>> To my astonishment, I found It is not listed there at all!
>> 
>> It seems to me that it would at least be a good venue
>> to have it listed there for some free advertising.
>> 
>> I’m wondering why Kevin and the team haven’t
>> listed it there as a potential way to expand it’s
>> customer base?
>> 
>> LiveCode should also be made available in
>> the other app stores too!
>> 
>> Just my 2 cents for the day.  ;-)
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
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Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Haworth wrote:
> Would be great if you get flexible groupings going.  Having been
> through implementing this, one thing to watch out for is that there
> isn't a way to get a complete list of properties for a particular
> object type.

I know some synonyms are missing, but the properties function was added 
to allow rapid reproduction of an object, so while it may not substitute 
for the Dictionary it should be at least functional for most practical 
development uses.


What properties does a developer need that aren't included?

Let's bug report those and get it behind us.

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Re: Download does not work in standalone

[Mark Schonewille]

Did you include the Internet library (is not the browser external) in your 
standalone, in de standalone application settings? 

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Op 9 okt. 2015 om 13:41 heeft Tore Nilsen  het volgende 
geschreven:

> I am having trouble with this script in a standalone application for OSX. It 
> works alright in the IDE, but will not work when a standalone is built. 
> 
> on mouseUp
>   hide group "DownloadInfo"
>   put gValgtLeksjon & ".pdf" into tFilNavn
>   ask file "Velg hvor du vil lagre filen:" with tFilnavn as sheet
>   if the result is not "Cancel" then
>  put it into tPath
>  if field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" is empty 
> then
> put gThisPage & "/pdf" into tResourcePath
>  else
> put field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" into 
> tResourcePath
>  end if
>  put "Laster ned fil: " & tFilnavn into field "DownloadInfo"
>  if char 1 to 4 of tResourcePath is not "http" then
> answer tResourcePath & " er ikke en gyldig lenke!" with "Avbryt"
> if it is "Avbryt" then
>exit mouseUp
> end if
>  end if
>  libURLSetStatusCallback "showProgress",the long ID of me
>  libURLDownloadToFile tResourcePath,tPath,"downloadComplete"
>   end if
> end mouseUp
> 
> I also had some problems with the CEF-browser, but choosing libraries 
> manually in the standalone settings solved that problem. Somehow it seems as 
> if the internet library is not included in the standalone files. 
> 
> I wonder if anyone has any solutions to this problem.
> 
> Regards
> Tore Nilsen
> 
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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Paul Dupuis]

On 10/9/2015 11:44 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> So you see any installers in the Mac App Store? Maintaining the App Store is 
> a lot of extra work. It would be great if LC were available there, but the 
> work is probably what keep RunRev from doing so.

Not to mention the ridiculously high percentage of every sale Apple
demands for any commercial App in the OSX or iOS app stores. There are a
lot of business reasons NOT to sell through Apple's App stores if you
don't absolutely have to (i.e. iOS)


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Building for iOS - which LiveCode with which Xcode? (with which iOS?)

[Ben Rubinstein]

Is there by any chance, or could there be, a table showing versions of 
LiveCode will work with which versions of XCode (and build for which version 
of iOS)?


I see messages flow by that LC x.y is having a problem with Xcode a.b, and 
sometimes an answer that you should use XCode c.d instead (or LC p.q)... but 
it's frustrating trying to fish in these pools (the lists, the forums) to 
figure out these combinations (and mostly one just pulls out known-not-working 
combinations).


Failing a full on table - it would be helpful to just have any reports of 
known-working combinations.  I.e. can anyone report "I am currently 
succesfully using LC x with XCode y and building for iOS z"?


TIA,

Ben

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Re: Forking Versions

[Richard Gaskin]

Github is simple - if what you're building is the Linux kernel, which is 
what it was designed for. ;)


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Mike Kerner wrote:


wow, what a pain.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Monte Goulding 
wrote:


Oh, you also need to add the official repo as a remote on your fork:

git remote add upstream https://github.com/livecode/livecode.git <
https://github.com/livecode/livecode.git>

This adds the official repo as a remote named upstream which is the normal
name of the original repo when you have a fork. Your fork is called origin.
What you want to do is pull the changes from upstream (the company repo),
make commits and push them to origin (your fork). If you have anything to
contribute you can then send a pull request which is basically a request
for them to merge in the changes on a branch on your fork into the official
repo.

Now that you have added upstream as a remote you want to set the upstream
of each of the official branches that you have checked out. Say you have
checked out develop (livecode 8) then you want to do this:

git branch --set-upstream develop upstream/develop

This means that when you checkout develop and pull it will automatically
pull from the upstream remote (the company repo) rather than your origin
remote (your fork).

Anyway I hope that helps ;-)

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 5:55 am, Mike Kerner 
wrote:
>
> 1) In Git, if I have a fork, but then there are updates to the master
> branch, and I want to take those and replace at least some of the
contents
> in my fork, do I have to create a new fork and download the entire
project,
> again?  That seems like it would screw up the things I've been working on
> in my fork, and mean that I would have to manually re-integrated the
things
> I'm doing in the files I'm working on.
>
> 2) I've been messing around with various widgets, but I'm not messing
with
> the engine, but there does not seem to be a way to fork part of the
project
> without forking all of it.
>
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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> And God said, "This is good."


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Re: Download does not work in standalone

[Tore Nilsen]

Yes, at least I manually selected it in the standalone application settings, as 
my experiences with the CEF-library was that it would not be included 
automatically. But it seems as if the Internet library is not included in the 
build anyway. I have tried to reset it on several occasions. At best it seems 
to be downloading, but showProgress is not triggered, and the downloaded file 
is empty.

I am on Indy 7.1 on OSX 10.11.

Tore

> 9. okt. 2015 kl. 17.47 skrev Mark Schonewille 
> :
> 
> Did you include the Internet library (is not the browser external) in your 
> standalone, in de standalone application settings? 
> 
> --
> Kind regards,
> 
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> 
> Op 9 okt. 2015 om 13:41 heeft Tore Nilsen  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
>> I am having trouble with this script in a standalone application for OSX. It 
>> works alright in the IDE, but will not work when a standalone is built. 
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>  hide group "DownloadInfo"
>>  put gValgtLeksjon & ".pdf" into tFilNavn
>>  ask file "Velg hvor du vil lagre filen:" with tFilnavn as sheet
>>  if the result is not "Cancel" then
>> put it into tPath
>> if field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" is empty 
>> then
>>put gThisPage & "/pdf" into tResourcePath
>> else
>>put field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" into 
>> tResourcePath
>> end if
>> put "Laster ned fil: " & tFilnavn into field "DownloadInfo"
>> if char 1 to 4 of tResourcePath is not "http" then
>>answer tResourcePath & " er ikke en gyldig lenke!" with "Avbryt"
>>if it is "Avbryt" then
>>   exit mouseUp
>>end if
>> end if
>> libURLSetStatusCallback "showProgress",the long ID of me
>> libURLDownloadToFile tResourcePath,tPath,"downloadComplete"
>>  end if
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> I also had some problems with the CEF-browser, but choosing libraries 
>> manually in the standalone settings solved that problem. Somehow it seems as 
>> if the internet library is not included in the standalone files. 
>> 
>> I wonder if anyone has any solutions to this problem.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tore Nilsen
>> 
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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Richard Gaskin]

Rick Harrison wrote:

I was thinking about how RunRev could expand it’s user base,
and I thought for fun I’d see if it was at least listed in the
Apple App store for the Macintosh.

To my astonishment, I found It is not listed there at all!


I don't think you'll find Ruby, Lua, R, or even Xojo there either.   Nor 
a lot of very powerful and popular apps like DiskWarrior, TextExpander, 
and others.  Python's preinstalled, but if it weren't I doubt it'd be in 
the app store either.


Apple's app store is for the subset of apps in the larger Mac ecosystem 
with a consumer focus that can work well within their sandbox requirements.


Developer tools are generally absent from the app store, as are all apps 
that provide utility beyond the confines of the sandbox.  Many other 
apps aren't there simply because some devs find it annoying, or simply 
don't want to cut their revenue by 30%.


Background (many of the other articles these link to are also worth 
reading):






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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Bob Sneidar]

Isn't it about work vs. potential sales? If I could work my ass off for 2 years 
14 hours a day with nary a day off, but had a real good chance of having all 
the money I needed to retire for life, hell yes I'd do it!

Bob S


On Oct 9, 2015, at 08:44 , Mark Schonewille 
mailto:m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com>> 
wrote:

So you see any installers in the Mac App Store? Maintaining the App Store is a 
lot of extra work. It would be great if LC were available there, but the work 
is probably what keep RunRev from doing so.

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Re: Data Validation of copied Data in a field

[Hillen Richard]

Thank you for your quick and helpfull response:

To Craig Newman: 
- textChanged is sent after each typed character; DataValidation should start 
after the end of Typing; so it needs extra coding :-(
- Hint re "pasteKey trapped by IDE" will help. 

To Bob Sneidar:
- The CloseFiled msg is sent after pressing return, tab or…
-> press return after pasting data or use pasteKey-msg! I´ll try!


Richard.

> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 08:54:36 -0400
> From: dunb...@aol.com
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Data Validation of copied Data in a field
> Message-ID: <1504caad8e9-714a-32...@webprd-m73.mail.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Why not use the "textChanged" message? It does not care about the method that 
> the user might use to, er, change the text.
> 
> 
> On the other point, did you mean the "pasteKey" message? This is trapped by 
> the IDE unless you turn off development tools. Check out the "Development" 
> menu.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman
> 


> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:38:39 +
> From: Bob Sneidar 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Re: Data Validation of copied Data in a field
> Message-ID: <430ab2d9-1bf3-40b5-b8c4-cad889102...@iotecdigital.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Are you saying that the closefield is not triggered when you leave the field 
> after pasting text??? Very odd! You can use the textChanged message, but that 
> will get triggered every time someone types text. That would be very hard to 
> work with, timing loops and all. 
> 
> Try setting a breakpoint in your closeField handler then pasting text into 
> the field. I have a hard time believing closeField is not being triggered. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 

> -Original Message-
> From: Hillen Richard 
> To: use-livecode 
> Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:34 am
> Subject: Data Validation of copied Data in a field
> 
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> until now I used the closefield message to validate data typed into
> a field.
> This worked until someone copied the data into the input field.
> 
> To
> validate such copied data too, I look for a method / message to trigger the 
> data
> validation after pasting.
> But I didn?t find a solution.
> There is a message
> ?passkey? which I didn?t get it to work.
> 
> May you help?
> 
> Richard.
> (LC 6.7.4 on
> OS X 10.10)
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Buttons, buttons...who has the buttons

[Glen Bojsza]

Or better question when will the button and field components from earlier
versions of LC be available as SVG widgets in LC 8 and beyond.

Is there any place someone can recommend to get SVG widgets for:

default button
option menu
pulldown menu
combo menu
popup menu

Trevor's webinar showed some really nice buttons but they are proprietary
and not available.

If someone could make a bundle and put into the LC store I would be
interested.

thanks,

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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Roger Eller]

This is why I suggested a "smart" downloader, so it could be
maintenance-free.  Publishing a new app for every version would indeed be a
pain.


On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> So you see any installers in the Mac App Store? Maintaining the App Store
> is a lot of extra work. It would be great if LC were available there, but
> the work is probably what keep RunRev from doing so.
>
> --
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>
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> Op 9 okt. 2015 om 17:20 heeft Roger Eller 
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> > If not LiveCode itself, then at least a downloader app which grabs the
> > latest Stable GM.  Most Windows users (regular folks) have no idea that
> > programming in actually within their reach.  So yeah.  ALL desktop app
> > stores should have LC in-stock.  Great idea, Rick
> >
> > ~Roger
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rick Harrison <
> harri...@all-auctions.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> I was thinking about how RunRev could expand it’s user base,
> >> and I thought for fun I’d see if it was at least listed in the
> >> Apple App store for the Macintosh.
> >>
> >> To my astonishment, I found It is not listed there at all!
> >>
> >> It seems to me that it would at least be a good venue
> >> to have it listed there for some free advertising.
> >>
> >> I’m wondering why Kevin and the team haven’t
> >> listed it there as a potential way to expand it’s
> >> customer base?
> >>
> >> LiveCode should also be made available in
> >> the other app stores too!
> >>
> >> Just my 2 cents for the day.  ;-)
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>
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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Mark Schonewille]

That's why I wrote "there are no installers in the app store". You can't do 
that. 

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Op 9 okt. 2015 om 18:51 heeft Roger Eller  het 
volgende geschreven:

> This is why I suggested a "smart" downloader, so it could be
> maintenance-free.  Publishing a new app for every version would indeed be a
> pain.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
>> So you see any installers in the Mac App Store? Maintaining the App Store
>> is a lot of extra work. It would be great if LC were available there, but
>> the work is probably what keep RunRev from doing so.
>> 
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Mark Schonewille
>> Economy-x-Talk
>> Http://economy-x-talk.com
>> 
>> Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard
>> Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com
>> 
>> 
>> Op 9 okt. 2015 om 17:20 heeft Roger Eller 
>> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> If not LiveCode itself, then at least a downloader app which grabs the
>>> latest Stable GM.  Most Windows users (regular folks) have no idea that
>>> programming in actually within their reach.  So yeah.  ALL desktop app
>>> stores should have LC in-stock.  Great idea, Rick
>>> 
>>> ~Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rick Harrison <
>> harri...@all-auctions.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there,
 
 I was thinking about how RunRev could expand it’s user base,
 and I thought for fun I’d see if it was at least listed in the
 Apple App store for the Macintosh.
 
 To my astonishment, I found It is not listed there at all!
 
 It seems to me that it would at least be a good venue
 to have it listed there for some free advertising.
 
 I’m wondering why Kevin and the team haven’t
 listed it there as a potential way to expand it’s
 customer base?
 
 LiveCode should also be made available in
 the other app stores too!
 
 Just my 2 cents for the day.  ;-)
 
 Rick
 
 
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Vector images?

[Richmond]

Why do I have a feeling that the ability to import vector images as 
vector graphics

was meant to be one of the goals of the kickstarter?

Richmond.

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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Roger Eller]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Developer tools are generally absent from the app store, as are all apps
> that provide utility beyond the confines of the sandbox.  Many other apps
> aren't there simply because some devs find it annoying, or simply don't
> want to cut their revenue by 30%.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>

LiveCode devs are encouraged to use the app store, even at a 30% loss, so
why not the mothership herself?  What's good for the goose, as they say...

Can a free app not exist in the app store just to bring an awareness of
what LiveCode is?  Probably not.

~Roger
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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Richmond]

On 09/10/15 05:59, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

I almost never see a crash. Maybe a handful of times since I started using LC 
in earnest, perhaps six years ago. I am still in 6.7, though, and rearely use 
anything fancy.


I have noticed the occasional crash, extremely rarely.

I generally download every community release onto Linux, Windows 7 and 
Mac OS Mavericks (VMware).


Richmond.




Craig Newman



-Original Message-
From: Dr. Hawkins 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 9:49 pm
Subject: the constant crashing of the IDE


I'm seeing constant crashing of the IDE that I can't quite reproduce.
I'm
pretty sure that it's ore than one thing, as sometimes live code
crashes
while just opening a stack.

But I'm starting to think I see a
connect to it happening when a cursor has
been left in a field or in an
inspector.  But I just can't pin it down.

Are other people seeing this?  When
it happens, I get a crash every 3-5
mutes, and it's usually when I"m adjusting
card elements, not while editing
scripts.




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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Roger Eller]

Ok then.  Even a limited version that isn't maintained with frequent
updates is better than nothing at all.  At least there would be a chance of
a user of LC limited doing a google search and finding that more advanced
products exist at livecode.com without even providing a link or hint inside
the limited app.  That is as long as the app in named LiveCode something
something.

~Roger


On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> That's why I wrote "there are no installers in the app store". You can't
> do that.
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Op 9 okt. 2015 om 18:51 heeft Roger Eller 
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> > This is why I suggested a "smart" downloader, so it could be
> > maintenance-free.  Publishing a new app for every version would indeed
> be a
> > pain.
> >
>
>
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Re: Building for iOS - which LiveCode with which Xcode? (with which iOS?)

[Ben Rubinstein]

OMG I've found it!  Weirdly greyed out...

https://livecode.com/support/ask-a-question/what-iosxcode-version-matches-which-version-of-livecode/


On 09/10/2015 16:49, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

Is there by any chance, or could there be, a table showing versions of
LiveCode will work with which versions of XCode (and build for which version
of iOS)?

I see messages flow by that LC x.y is having a problem with Xcode a.b, and
sometimes an answer that you should use XCode c.d instead (or LC p.q)... but
it's frustrating trying to fish in these pools (the lists, the forums) to
figure out these combinations (and mostly one just pulls out known-not-working
combinations).

Failing a full on table - it would be helpful to just have any reports of
known-working combinations.  I.e. can anyone report "I am currently
succesfully using LC x with XCode y and building for iOS z"?

TIA,

Ben

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Re: Vector images?

[Colin Holgate]

My guess is that it’s because it might have been a goal in the Kickstarter 
campaign. That may be why they added the SVG Widget. You should try it.


> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> Why do I have a feeling that the ability to import vector images as vector 
> graphics
> was meant to be one of the goals of the kickstarter?

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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Richard Gaskin]

Roger Eller wrote:


LiveCode devs are encouraged to use the app store, even at a 30% loss, so
why not the mothership herself?




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Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

[Peter Haworth]

I've filed several bug reports over the last couple of years regarding
missing properties, mostly related to propertynames and glad to say they
have all been fixed so things are a lot better now than they used to be.
The propertynames still includes things that don't seem like properties to
me, "abbrev" and "working" for example, but no doubt there's a good reason
for that

Regarding your question on which properties are missing that a developer
needs, the answer for me is all the ones that are no longer returned by the
properties of an object and here's why.

As I've mentioned in other emails on this thread, lcStackbrowser gives
users the flexibility to organize properties into groups.  I do this by
displaying a list of all the properties for a particular object type, from
which users can drag and drop their chosen properties into a group list.  I
get that list from the keys of the properties array for the template for
whatever type of object I'm dealing with, but with this change, the list
was suddenly incomplete.

As an example, the height and width properties are no longer included.
Their values can be derived from the rectangle property which is fine if
you want to recreate an object or use their values for some other reason
but I need their names, not their values.

I ended up writing a handler that goes through the propertynames list and
tries to set each one into each of the object templates to determine which
object types it applies to, a time consuming process that really shouldn't
be necessary.

That's all water under the bridge now but I still don't understand why the
contents of the properties property were changed.

Pete
lcSQL Software 
Home of lcStackBrowser  and
SQLiteAdmin 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Would be great if you get flexible groupings going.  Having been
> > through implementing this, one thing to watch out for is that there
> > isn't a way to get a complete list of properties for a particular
> > object type.
>
> I know some synonyms are missing, but the properties function was added to
> allow rapid reproduction of an object, so while it may not substitute for
> the Dictionary it should be at least functional for most practical
> development uses.
>
> What properties does a developer need that aren't included?
>
> Let's bug report those and get it behind us.
>
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Re: Vector images?

[Richmond]

On 09/10/15 20:08, Colin Holgate wrote:

My guess is that it’s because it might have been a goal in the Kickstarter 
campaign. That may be why they added the SVG Widget. You should try it.

Well, I did and could not for the life of me work out how it worked.

I ended up with what looked like a Communist star, and no indication how 
I could import, for the sake of argument,

a dollar sign in .svg format.

Richmond.




On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Richmond  wrote:

Why do I have a feeling that the ability to import vector images as vector 
graphics
was meant to be one of the goals of the kickstarter?

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Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Haworth wrote:


As I've mentioned in other emails on this thread, lcStackbrowser gives
users the flexibility to organize properties into groups.  I do this by
displaying a list of all the properties for a particular object type, from
which users can drag and drop their chosen properties into a group list.  I
get that list from the keys of the properties array for the template for
whatever type of object I'm dealing with, but with this change, the list
was suddenly incomplete.

As an example, the height and width properties are no longer included.
Their values can be derived from the rectangle property which is fine if
you want to recreate an object or use their values for some other reason
but I need their names, not their values.

I ended up writing a handler that goes through the propertynames list and
tries to set each one into each of the object templates to determine which
object types it applies to, a time consuming process that really shouldn't
be necessary.


Personally I feel your approach is quite suitable.

The properties function returns the things needed to reproduce an 
object.  It's not designed to replace the Dictionary, nor encumbered 
with a responsibility to make crafting IDE tools a one-liner.


Toolmaking requires writing code. Any of us making tools - you, me, LC 
Ltd. - wrote some code to take care of what we need and moved on to 
other tasks.


Seems a good balance of effort on all sides.



That's all water under the bridge now but I still don't understand why the
contents of the properties property were changed.


What specifically was the change, and in what version?

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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Roger Eller]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Roger Eller wrote:
>
> LiveCode devs are encouraged to use the app store, even at a 30% loss, so
>> why not the mothership herself?
>>
>
> 
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
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>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>

I see that "loop forever" you tried to put me in, Richard.  That's not
nice.  ;-)

Ok, forget Apple for a minute.  Try the same conversation, but dealing with
Ubuntu repositories.  There's plenty of dev software in that app store.

~Roger
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Re: Vector images?

[Colin Holgate]

Click on the star and you can choose from a long list of built in images. The 
dollar sign looking one is near the bottom.

Failing that, you can open an SVG file in a text editor, and copy the path data 
part, to paste into the iconPath field in LiveCode.

Now, they should add a Source option, which could do the retrieving of the path 
data for you. That would be handy.


> On Oct 9, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> On 09/10/15 20:08, Colin Holgate wrote:
>> My guess is that it’s because it might have been a goal in the Kickstarter 
>> campaign. That may be why they added the SVG Widget. You should try it.
> Well, I did and could not for the life of me work out how it worked.
> 
> I ended up with what looked like a Communist star, and no indication how I 
> could import, for the sake of argument,
> a dollar sign in .svg format.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Richmond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why do I have a feeling that the ability to import vector images as vector 
>>> graphics
>>> was meant to be one of the goals of the kickstarter?
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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:

> When I get repeated crashes when saving, I try opening livecode, turning
> off messages, saving, making a small number of changes, and saving again,
> which usually gets me there.


OK, scratch that.

I just turned off messages, saved, and it bombed while saving.



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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Paul Hibbert]

The same just happened to me this morning, nothing to do with messages, but I 
didn’t save the crash report at the time, I can see if I can find it, do you 
have a bug report for this problem?

Paul


> On 9 Oct 2015, at 10:46, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> 
>> When I get repeated crashes when saving, I try opening livecode, turning
>> off messages, saving, making a small number of changes, and saving again,
>> which usually gets me there.
> 
> 
> OK, scratch that.
> 
> I just turned off messages, saved, and it bombed while saving.
> 
> 
> 
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Documentation/sample projects for iOS externals

[Ben Rubinstein]

I'm sure this ought to be simple, but I cannot find a thing.

Having now for the first time in several years succesfully built a hello-world 
stack app and got it onto my phone (lining up the correct versions of 
LiveCode/Xcode/OS X/iOS/certificates - phew!); I'd now like to make an iOS 
external in order to achieve my actual aim.


I know it can be done.  I can even find references to sample projects called 
things like "rreSockets" and "rreCanvas".  But an actual thing I cannot find.


Searching livecode.com finds only references in the forums.

In the "Building Externals/Plugins forum" there is a recent post asking the 
same thing; which met with a reply linking to another post; which links to 
some newsletter articles using Revolution 2.7.


A post 18 months ago from someone who has evidently found the sample 
"rreHardcopy" but is having trouble building it, is met with a reply




I guess you have read at least those 2 lessons from runrev?

http://livecode.com/developers/guides/mobile/ios/

http://livecode.com/developers/guides/externals/


but both of those links now redirect to a generic documentation page.

Do any current sample projects exist? Is there any documentation available 
which is relevant for current versions of LiveCode and XCode? Where are either 
of these things to be found?


TIA,

B

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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Rick Harrison]

Hi again,

1. RunRev can overcome the 30% take by marking the product up by
the percentage income one would lose to the Apple App Store, thus
maintaining the income required.

2.  Incremental updates don’t have to be updated in the App Store
 as frequently as it’s done through RunRev.  Perhaps only
 major versions for example going from LC 6 to LC 7 to LC 8 to LC 9 etc.
(That would certainly cut down on the amount of work.)

3.  At the very least the Free Community Version of LiveCode should
 appear in the Apple App Store if anything just to increase public
 awareness of LiveCode.

4.  Just because other languages or competitors may not be found
 in the Apple App Store or other App Stores doesn’t mean that
 RunRev should completely ignore those potential markets.
 (This could be something the competition is doing wrong, so
 it might be important to not follow their lead.)

5.  XCode is in the App Store and it’s doing great for obvious reasons! (LOL)

Let a thousand marketing ideas bloom.

Thanks for the discussion!

Rick







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Re: LiveCode is not in the Apple App Store!

[Richard Gaskin]

Roger Eller wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Roger Eller wrote:
>>
>>> LiveCode devs are encouraged to use the app store, even at a 30%
>>> loss, so why not the mothership herself?
>>
>> 


>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Systems
>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>  
>>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
>
> I see that "loop forever" you tried to put me in, Richard.  That's not
> nice.  ;-)

Not my intention. Sorry if it seemed that way.

I just saw that you'd quoted only one of several reasons I'd outlined in 
my post about why LC isn't in Apple's app store, and rather than restate 
them it seems more expedient to just provide a pointer to the full post.



> Ok, forget Apple for a minute.  Try the same conversation, but
> dealing with Ubuntu repositories.  There's plenty of dev software
> in that app store.

MaxV raised that question in the forums, and then went further to 
actually build a .deb package:



As an Ubuntu user and contributer I like the idea, but as someone 
familiar with LiveCode I have a few reservations at this time:


First, LiveCode itself isn't quite up to par with the other great 
software available for Ubuntu.  Long before a new user discovers the 
bugs we've been logging (with some great work done on them, but much 
remains), they'll see that it fits in less gracefully with Ubuntu's 
Unity UI than it does even on OS X (UI papercuts have been noted here 
before for all platforms).  Once the UX is made as graceful as it can be 
I look forward to sharing LC with all my Linux friends.


Second, some aspects of application packaging in Linux are relatively 
cumbersome compared to OS X and Windows, as least as far as 
self-contained apps like LiveCode go because such things have 
historically been rare on that platform.  The .deb format and the 
apt-get that work with it are wonderful for what they were designed to 
do, but that was years ago.  Today we should expect minimal dependencies 
and a streamlined process for creating and managing Ubuntu PPAs.  Big 
strides have been made in that area (David Planella and many others 
who've contributed to Ubuntu's PPA and Software Center packaging have 
been true heroes), but there's ultimately a very big difference between 
system components and end-user apps, and the Linux world needs to 
migrate to a more self-contained model.


Not having done so yet is one of the reasons so many wonderful apps like 
OwnCloud Client, BlueGriffon, and others are popular on Ubuntu but not 
in the Software Center.  Those projects have limited resources, and 
maintaining a PPA for Ubuntu while also delivering to other platforms 
was a bit much for them.  Those projects provide their own repositories 
which can be added to apt-get for automated updates, but not using 
Ubuntu's PPAs they don't appear in the Ubuntu Software Center.


To address this and other needs, Ubuntu is migrating to Snappy packages, 
which encourage self-contained apps with minimal dependencies, the sort 
of things we LiveCoders build every day and more similar to how 
consumers conceptualize app management in OS X and Windows.


Snappy packages also lend themselves better to multi-device deployments, 
better supporting Ubuntu's convergence strategy (a second Ubuntu phone 
launched just a couple weeks ago).


Once Snappy is supported in the Ubuntu Software Center, and the LiveCode 
experience made as marvelous on Linux as we know it can be, we'll be in 
a good place to put the two together.


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Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

[Peter Haworth]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> What specifically was the change, and in what version?


The change was that not all properties are returned.  I believe it was in v
6.1.

As I said in my previous post, it's water under the bridge for me now and I
have, as you mentioned, moved on to other tasks.  My original post on this
was simply to point out to the team that if they plan to provide a feature
to allow flexible grouping of properties, they should be aware of this
issue if they plan to rely on the properties property. My last post was
simply in response to your request to elaborate.

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Re: Building for iOS - which LiveCode with which Xcode? (with which iOS?)

[Paul Hibbert]

I think the correct link is…

https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/

…then just click on the question there, it’s more readable.

Paul


> On 9 Oct 2015, at 09:56, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:
> 
> OMG I've found it!  Weirdly greyed out...
> 
> https://livecode.com/support/ask-a-question/what-iosxcode-version-matches-which-version-of-livecode/
> 
> 
> On 09/10/2015 16:49, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
>> Is there by any chance, or could there be, a table showing versions of
>> LiveCode will work with which versions of XCode (and build for which version
>> of iOS)?
>> 
>> I see messages flow by that LC x.y is having a problem with Xcode a.b, and
>> sometimes an answer that you should use XCode c.d instead (or LC p.q)... but
>> it's frustrating trying to fish in these pools (the lists, the forums) to
>> figure out these combinations (and mostly one just pulls out 
>> known-not-working
>> combinations).
>> 
>> Failing a full on table - it would be helpful to just have any reports of
>> known-working combinations.  I.e. can anyone report "I am currently
>> succesfully using LC x with XCode y and building for iOS z"?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> Ben
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Re: Building for iOS - which LiveCode with which Xcode? (with which iOS?)

[Ben Rubinstein]

Aha!  Thanks Paul.

Ben

On 09/10/2015 19:09, Paul Hibbert wrote:

I think the correct link is…

https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/

…then just click on the question there, it’s more readable.

Paul



On 9 Oct 2015, at 09:56, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:

OMG I've found it!  Weirdly greyed out...

https://livecode.com/support/ask-a-question/what-iosxcode-version-matches-which-version-of-livecode/


On 09/10/2015 16:49, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

Is there by any chance, or could there be, a table showing versions of
LiveCode will work with which versions of XCode (and build for which version
of iOS)?

I see messages flow by that LC x.y is having a problem with Xcode a.b, and
sometimes an answer that you should use XCode c.d instead (or LC p.q)... but
it's frustrating trying to fish in these pools (the lists, the forums) to
figure out these combinations (and mostly one just pulls out known-not-working
combinations).

Failing a full on table - it would be helpful to just have any reports of
known-working combinations.  I.e. can anyone report "I am currently
succesfully using LC x with XCode y and building for iOS z"?

TIA,

Ben

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Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[dunbarx]

Tiemo.


OK, I read "show the user the full content of the text lines..."


as all lines, not just the one that is "current" within the opened combo.


Anyway, it appears that no messages at all are sent while the mouse is down and 
the comboBox is "open". No mouseMove, no mousStillDown. Nada.


So I am with Bob on this to an extent, in that another control is needed if you 
want to keep the combo as a desirable object on screen. Try this. Make a combo 
and a list field. In the card script:



on mouseMove
   if the mouseLoc is within the rect of btn 1 or the mouseLoc is within the 
rect of fld 1 then
  put btn 1 into fld 1
  show fld 1
   else hide fld 1
end mouseMove


Now this needs a bit of work, but maybe it is a start?


Craig


-Original Message-
From: Tiemo Hollmann TB 
To: 'How to use LiveCode' 
Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 9:53 am
Subject: AW: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?


Hi Craig,

I don't want to display the full text of the option button, but
only one
line of the text while hovering the text (or right click buttonDown on
a
single line), so that the user can see, what he would choose, if he
clicks
any line.
I think my problem is that "the hilitedline" works only with
fields and not
with the text of an option button, as far as I see it.
Thank
you
Tiemo


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An:
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Betreff: Re: How to access the text of an option
btn before menuPick?

Why not set the toolTip to the text of the button? I
don't know how large a
display that would be, or whether that format would be
tenable.


You could always use the "mouseWithin" message to display a field,
offset a
bit from the combo. and display the text of the button. At least you
can
control the properties of the field.


Craig Newman



-Original
Message-
From: Tiemo Hollmann TB 
To: LiveCode User
Liste senden 
Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 8:50
am
Subject: How to access the text of an option btn before
menuPick?


Hello,

I have an option button with long text lines as
options, but the button
itself is smaller (width) as the text lines (because of
layout
restrictions), so that you can't read the full text of the
options.

Now I would like to find any solution to show the user the full
content of
the text lines before he clicks any choice. Either by hovering or
right
click or anything else I would like to put the line into the tooltip
or
anything else. By now I failed to grab the hilitedLine of the option
menu.

Any idea how to access the text by hovering or right
click?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 







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Re: AW: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 10/9/2015 8:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

I don't want to display the full text of the option button, but only one
line of the text while hovering the text (or right click buttonDown on a
single line), so that the user can see, what he would choose, if he clicks
any line.


On Mac, the menu expands to fit long text when the option button pops 
down. You don't have to do anything.


If it doesn't do that on Windows, the only thing I can think of is to 
make the button as wide as the longest text on mouseDown, and when the 
menu closes (in menuPick and mouseRelease,) set the width back to the 
original size.


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Re: Building for iOS - which LiveCode with which Xcode? (with which iOS?)

[J. Landman Gay]

On 10/9/2015 10:49 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

Is there by any chance, or could there be, a table showing versions of
LiveCode will work with which versions of XCode (and build for which
version of iOS)?


That would be very handy. I get lost trying to keep track.

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Re: AW: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[Richard Gaskin]

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> If it doesn't do that on Windows, the only thing I can think of is
> to make the button as wide as the longest text on mouseDown, and
> when the menu closes (in menuPick and mouseRelease,) set the width
> back to the original size.

IIRC the Win HIG suggests making the button as wide as needed to display 
its longest item because it's a selector control, and the user should be 
able to see what they've selected.


If it's not important to display what they selected a pulldown menu may 
suffice and give you complete control over its width.


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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[J. Landman Gay]

If you're on a Mac, crash reports are saved for quite a while in Console.

On 10/9/2015 12:49 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote:

The same just happened to me this morning, nothing to do with
messages, but I didn’t save the crash report at the time, I can see
if I can find it, do you have a bug report for this problem?

Paul



On 9 Oct 2015, at 10:46, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Dr. Hawkins 
wrote:


When I get repeated crashes when saving, I try opening livecode,
turning off messages, saving, making a small number of changes,
and saving again, which usually gets me there.



OK, scratch that.

I just turned off messages, saved, and it bombed while saving.



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Re: Vector images?

[Richmond]

On 09/10/15 20:33, Colin Holgate wrote:

Click on the star and you can choose from a long list of built in images. The 
dollar sign looking one is near the bottom.

Failing that, you can open an SVG file in a text editor, and copy the path data 
part, to paste into the iconPath field in LiveCode.

Now, they should add a Source option, which could do the retrieving of the path 
data for you. That would be handy.


I am probably expecting too much: I was expecting the ability to import 
an svg file to be present in the


File / Import as Control / Image file  menu item.

And why, forbye, is that not the case? The way it is implemented is 
awkward, non-logical, and, frankly bloody-minded.


R.





On Oct 9, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Richmond  wrote:

On 09/10/15 20:08, Colin Holgate wrote:

My guess is that it’s because it might have been a goal in the Kickstarter 
campaign. That may be why they added the SVG Widget. You should try it.

Well, I did and could not for the life of me work out how it worked.

I ended up with what looked like a Communist star, and no indication how I 
could import, for the sake of argument,
a dollar sign in .svg format.

Richmond.


On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Richmond  wrote:

Why do I have a feeling that the ability to import vector images as vector 
graphics
was meant to be one of the goals of the kickstarter?

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Re: Download does not work in standalone

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Tore,

Probably you need to check that the script actually gets as far as the 
libUrlSetStatusCallback command. Insert a beep right before the command 
to check this.


Second, to check that libUrl is available, you could add a try-control 
structure:


try
  beep
  libUrlSetStatusCallback "showProgress",the long id of me
  libUrlDownloadToFile tResourcePath,tPath,"downloadComplete"
catch myErr
  answer myErr
end try

Do you hear a beep and don't you get an error message?

It seems obvious, but could you double-check that the address you're 
downloading from is correct put adding the line


put tResourcePath

to your script, copying the address from the message box and pasting it 
into the browser to see what happens?


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Op 10/9/2015 om 17:52 schreef Tore Nilsen:

Yes, at least I manually selected it in the standalone application settings, as 
my experiences with the CEF-library was that it would not be included 
automatically. But it seems as if the Internet library is not included in the 
build anyway. I have tried to reset it on several occasions. At best it seems 
to be downloading, but showProgress is not triggered, and the downloaded file 
is empty.

I am on Indy 7.1 on OSX 10.11.

Tore


9. okt. 2015 kl. 17.47 skrev Mark Schonewille 
:

Did you include the Internet library (is not the browser external) in your 
standalone, in de standalone application settings?

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Op 9 okt. 2015 om 13:41 heeft Tore Nilsen  het volgende 
geschreven:


I am having trouble with this script in a standalone application for OSX. It 
works alright in the IDE, but will not work when a standalone is built.

on mouseUp
  hide group "DownloadInfo"
  put gValgtLeksjon & ".pdf" into tFilNavn
  ask file "Velg hvor du vil lagre filen:" with tFilnavn as sheet
  if the result is not "Cancel" then
 put it into tPath
 if field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" is empty then
put gThisPage & "/pdf" into tResourcePath
 else
put field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" into 
tResourcePath
 end if
 put "Laster ned fil: " & tFilnavn into field "DownloadInfo"
 if char 1 to 4 of tResourcePath is not "http" then
answer tResourcePath & " er ikke en gyldig lenke!" with "Avbryt"
if it is "Avbryt" then
   exit mouseUp
end if
 end if
 libURLSetStatusCallback "showProgress",the long ID of me
 libURLDownloadToFile tResourcePath,tPath,"downloadComplete"
  end if
end mouseUp

I also had some problems with the CEF-browser, but choosing libraries manually 
in the standalone settings solved that problem. Somehow it seems as if the 
internet library is not included in the standalone files.

I wonder if anyone has any solutions to this problem.

Regards
Tore Nilsen


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Re: Building for iOS - which LiveCode with which Xcode? (with which iOS?)

[Roger Eller]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:23 PM, J. Landman Gay 
wrote:

> On 10/9/2015 10:49 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
>
>> Is there by any chance, or could there be, a table showing versions of
>> LiveCode will work with which versions of XCode (and build for which
>> version of iOS)?
>>
>
> That would be very handy. I get lost trying to keep track.
>
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> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>

I wish there were a "check for dependencies" menu item in each version, and
it would run a script which looks at your system, and lists everything with
green checks or red X's, and also list supported outputs which are/would be
available if the dependency were met.

~Roger
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Re: Download does not work in standalone

[Tore Nilsen]

Thanks for the suggestions. I will try the “try” approach. I guess from the 
fact that I get a proper download from the IDE, that the url is correct, but I 
will make provisions to make sure it is anyway. I had a couple of instances 
where the url, which is dynamic, depending on other choices the user makes, was 
not correct. This did also show up in the IDE.

Thanks again.

Tore
> 9. okt. 2015 kl. 20.41 skrev Mark Schonewille 
> :
> 
> Hi Tore,
> 
> Probably you need to check that the script actually gets as far as the 
> libUrlSetStatusCallback command. Insert a beep right before the command to 
> check this.
> 
> Second, to check that libUrl is available, you could add a try-control 
> structure:
> 
> try
>  beep
>  libUrlSetStatusCallback "showProgress",the long id of me
>  libUrlDownloadToFile tResourcePath,tPath,"downloadComplete"
> catch myErr
>  answer myErr
> end try
> 
> Do you hear a beep and don't you get an error message?
> 
> It seems obvious, but could you double-check that the address you're 
> downloading from is correct put adding the line
> 
> put tResourcePath
> 
> to your script, copying the address from the message box and pasting it into 
> the browser to see what happens?
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> 
> Buy the most extensive book on the
> LiveCode language:
> http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com
> 
> Op 10/9/2015 om 17:52 schreef Tore Nilsen:
>> Yes, at least I manually selected it in the standalone application settings, 
>> as my experiences with the CEF-library was that it would not be included 
>> automatically. But it seems as if the Internet library is not included in 
>> the build anyway. I have tried to reset it on several occasions. At best it 
>> seems to be downloading, but showProgress is not triggered, and the 
>> downloaded file is empty.
>> 
>> I am on Indy 7.1 on OSX 10.11.
>> 
>> Tore
>> 
>>> 9. okt. 2015 kl. 17.47 skrev Mark Schonewille 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Did you include the Internet library (is not the browser external) in your 
>>> standalone, in de standalone application settings?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>> Economy-x-Talk
>>> Http://economy-x-talk.com
>>> 
>>> Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard 
>>> Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Op 9 okt. 2015 om 13:41 heeft Tore Nilsen  het volgende 
>>> geschreven:
>>> 
 I am having trouble with this script in a standalone application for OSX. 
 It works alright in the IDE, but will not work when a standalone is built.
 
 on mouseUp
  hide group "DownloadInfo"
  put gValgtLeksjon & ".pdf" into tFilNavn
  ask file "Velg hvor du vil lagre filen:" with tFilnavn as sheet
  if the result is not "Cancel" then
 put it into tPath
 if field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" is empty 
 then
put gThisPage & "/pdf" into tResourcePath
 else
put field "Ressurser" of card gValgtLeksjon of stack "Lessons" into 
 tResourcePath
 end if
 put "Laster ned fil: " & tFilnavn into field "DownloadInfo"
 if char 1 to 4 of tResourcePath is not "http" then
answer tResourcePath & " er ikke en gyldig lenke!" with "Avbryt"
if it is "Avbryt" then
   exit mouseUp
end if
 end if
 libURLSetStatusCallback "showProgress",the long ID of me
 libURLDownloadToFile tResourcePath,tPath,"downloadComplete"
  end if
 end mouseUp
 
 I also had some problems with the CEF-browser, but choosing libraries 
 manually in the standalone settings solved that problem. Somehow it seems 
 as if the internet library is not included in the standalone files.
 
 I wonder if anyone has any solutions to this problem.
 
 Regards
 Tore Nilsen
 
 
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Re: LC 8 Property Inspector

[J. Landman Gay]

On 10/9/2015 12:57 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

The change was that not all properties are returned.  I believe it was in v
6.1.


That's odd, I thought it had always been the way it is now. I just 
checked with Rev 2.8.1 (Jan 2005) and it does not have "width" in the 
properties of an object. My test wasn't very comprehensive though..


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Re: Vector images?

[Ali Lloyd]

That seems sensible. You could file an enhancement request ;-)

To be honest it's more a case of "not everything has been done yet" than
"we think you ought to do it this long-winded way".

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 7:33 PM Richmond  wrote:

> On 09/10/15 20:33, Colin Holgate wrote:
> > Click on the star and you can choose from a long list of built in
> images. The dollar sign looking one is near the bottom.
> >
> > Failing that, you can open an SVG file in a text editor, and copy the
> path data part, to paste into the iconPath field in LiveCode.
> >
> > Now, they should add a Source option, which could do the retrieving of
> the path data for you. That would be handy.
>
> I am probably expecting too much: I was expecting the ability to import
> an svg file to be present in the
>
> File / Import as Control / Image file  menu item.
>
> And why, forbye, is that not the case? The way it is implemented is
> awkward, non-logical, and, frankly bloody-minded.
>
> R.
>
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Richmond 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 09/10/15 20:08, Colin Holgate wrote:
> >>> My guess is that it’s because it might have been a goal in the
> Kickstarter campaign. That may be why they added the SVG Widget. You should
> try it.
> >> Well, I did and could not for the life of me work out how it worked.
> >>
> >> I ended up with what looked like a Communist star, and no indication
> how I could import, for the sake of argument,
> >> a dollar sign in .svg format.
> >>
> >> Richmond.
> >>
>  On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Richmond 
> wrote:
> 
>  Why do I have a feeling that the ability to import vector images as
> vector graphics
>  was meant to be one of the goals of the kickstarter?
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Re: How to access the text of an option btn before menuPick?

[Phil Davis]

Hi Tiemo,

On a Mac, the option button list is shown at the full width of the text 
it contains.


I haven't tried it on other platforms. If it doesn't work that way on 
your platform, you could do something like this (in the button script):



local sOriginalRect


on menuPick pItemName
restoreMe
answer pItemName
end menuPick


on mouseDown
if sOriginalRect is empty then put the rect of me into sOriginalRect
put sOriginalRect into tRect
put (item 1 of tRect + the formattedWidth of me) into item 3 of tRect
set the rect of me to tRect
end mouseDown


on mouseLeave
restoreMe
end mouseLeave


command restoreMe
lock screen
set the rect of me to sOriginalRect
unlock screen
end restoreMe


Hope this helps -
Phil Davis



On 10/9/15 5:48 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

Hello,

I have an option button with long text lines as options, but the button
itself is smaller (width) as the text lines (because of layout
restrictions), so that you can't read the full text of the options.

Now I would like to find any solution to show the user the full content of
the text lines before he clicks any choice. Either by hovering or right
click or anything else I would like to put the line into the tooltip or
anything else. By now I failed to grab the hilitedLine of the option menu.

Any idea how to access the text by hovering or right click?

Thanks

Tiemo

  

  

  

  


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Re: Forking Versions

[Monte Goulding]

> On 10 Oct 2015, at 2:51 am, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
> 
> Github is simple - if what you're building is the Linux kernel, which is what 
> it was designed for. ;)

Actually the hardcore guys don’t use GitHub… they have a mailing list and pass 
around patch files which git can also generate. GitHub is just a web app built 
on git… A very helpful web app but there you go. There’s others like BitBucket, 
GitLab etc. You can also just put a bare repo somewhere you can access and use 
that as a remote without any web UI. Lots of possibilities.

It’s really not all that complicated but it is well worth reading at least the 
first 3 chapters of the git book https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 


The basic idea of distributed SCM is everyone has the source but nobody has 
anybody's changes unless they get them. To get them you need to point your repo 
to theirs (remote) and pull (pull means fetch and merge). 

Branches sound complicated too but they aren’t. All they are is a pointer to a 
commit. There’s a file in the .git directory for each branch that just contains 
a reference to a commit (a 1 line sha1 hash) that’s it. Each commit also has a 
pointer to its parent commit and that’s how you end up with a tree. A merge is 
just a commit with both a mum and a dad ;-)

Checkout is just making your file tree the same as it was at a particular 
commit. Remember branches are just pointers to commits.

Cheers

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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Paul Hibbert  wrote:

> The same just happened to me this morning, nothing to do with messages,
> but I didn’t save the crash report at the time, I can see if I can find it,
> do you have a bug report for this problem?
>

No bug report; I don't have much to say at this point but "constantly
crashing".

I suspect that my stack and/or installation is corrupted in some unforeseen
way.  This is happing on two separate quad core machines,so I lean towards
the stack

It took an hour to rename three fields this morning . . .




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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:

> It took an hour to rename three fields this morning . . .
>

Also, I started frequently getting the message that "a stack revCursors is
already in memory".  This message now *always* happens if I turn messages
off in livened before loading a stack.



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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:

> Also, I started frequently getting the message that "a stack revCursors is
> already in memory".  This message now *always* happens if I turn messages
> off in livened before loading a stack.
>

now filed as *Bug 16185*  -
 near constant crashes in IDE (edit
)
with a crash report, now that Jacqui mentioned them . . .





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Learning Materials

[William Prothero]

Folks:
I just got the notice of a new series of learning materials from the 
mothership, for $75. These materials are derived from the Create-IT course for 
which I paid about $300. Since I got a year of Indy license, I figured it 
really cost me $30. 

Anyway, the CreateIt course was pretty buggy and as it progressed into lessons 
4 and 5, I got fed up because the code examples they provided were buggy and it 
was taking me an inordinate amount of time on buggy stuff that I didn’t have 
time to deal with. The materials seemed to be put together without anybody 
proof-reading them or reviewing them for accuracy.

Now there is a new course for $75, derived from Create-It materials, that I am 
offered. 

My question, to the mothership is: have the Create-It course materials been 
refined and corrected for bugs? I understand that all Indy licenses now have 
access to these materials. I can get by with this. I also support the 
mothership in trying to become sustainable. I think it’s a big challenge. 
However, the help tutorials on the support area are not too bad, but don’t go 
very far past the very basic. It seems to me that the docs and lessons ought to 
be put in REALLY good shape, before asking us for more money to access them.

But, it the mothership goes under, we all suffer. I’m conflicted. We really 
need a dictionary focussed on specific tasks rather than specific commands. I 
think some of this may be in the works. I hope so.

Bill

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Re: Learning Materials

[William Prothero]

Added comment:
I said we need a dictionary focussed on tasks, not on commands, but obviously 
we need both. I know Richard has been leading a group taking this on. Richard, 
is this happening?
Bill

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 4:13 PM, William Prothero  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> I just got the notice of a new series of learning materials from the 
> mothership, for $75. These materials are derived from the Create-IT course 
> for which I paid about $300. Since I got a year of Indy license, I figured it 
> really cost me $30. 
> 
> Anyway, the CreateIt course was pretty buggy and as it progressed into 
> lessons 4 and 5, I got fed up because the code examples they provided were 
> buggy and it was taking me an inordinate amount of time on buggy stuff that I 
> didn’t have time to deal with. The materials seemed to be put together 
> without anybody proof-reading them or reviewing them for accuracy.
> 
> Now there is a new course for $75, derived from Create-It materials, that I 
> am offered. 
> 
> My question, to the mothership is: have the Create-It course materials been 
> refined and corrected for bugs? I understand that all Indy licenses now have 
> access to these materials. I can get by with this. I also support the 
> mothership in trying to become sustainable. I think it’s a big challenge. 
> However, the help tutorials on the support area are not too bad, but don’t go 
> very far past the very basic. It seems to me that the docs and lessons ought 
> to be put in REALLY good shape, before asking us for more money to access 
> them.
> 
> But, it the mothership goes under, we all suffer. I’m conflicted. We really 
> need a dictionary focussed on specific tasks rather than specific commands. I 
> think some of this may be in the works. I hope so.
> 
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Paul Hibbert]

I’ve added the crash log from my crash to your bug report, I suspect there may 
be a connection even though I was using LC8 at the time.

Paul

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 15:31, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Dr. Hawkins  wrote:
> 
>> Also, I started frequently getting the message that "a stack revCursors is
>> already in memory".  This message now *always* happens if I turn messages
>> off in livened before loading a stack.
>> 
> 
> now filed as *Bug 16185*  -
> near constant crashes in IDE (edit
> )
> with a crash report, now that Jacqui mentioned them . . .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: the constant crashing of the IDE

[Paul Hibbert]

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 11:30, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
> If you're on a Mac, crash reports are saved for quite a while in Console.

Thank you Jacque, it was still in there.

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Mouse events outside stack bounds on mobile

[J. Landman Gay]

I am using "showAll" fullscreenmode for a mobile stack that uses large 
background images so that the entire screen will have content when the 
device is larger than the development stack. For example, the normal 
stack in the IDE is 414 pixels wide. On the iPhone simulator, there are 
perhaps 20-30 pixels outside that boundary on the edges.


When I tap on those edge areas outside the "normal" stack boundary, no 
mouse messages are sent. I need to detect user clicks anywhere on the 
screen. I tried "noBorder" with the same results. Any suggestions? Given 
the current layout, letterbox won't work.


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Re: Learning Materials

[James Hale]

I honestly am not sure what LC are thinking or where they get their marketing 
advice but I am failing to see a positive in this unless you are completely new 
to the platform.
Why? 
Simply because if what has happened with the create-it course is indicative of 
how LC does things one has to be concerned.
As has been mentioned, the create-it course is both incomplete and buggy. Yet 
it was announced with much fanfare and figured prominently on the site. It is 
now even offered to all. Well that is obviously a problem now. 

"Here, you get free access to a buggy incomplete course which will...well get 
you started, but if you really want something good, buy this new improved (but 
untested) course for $75!"

Why would anyone think this new, improved course will be any different?
Talk about parading one's failures.
Wouldn't it have been better to get the create-it course right and perhaps 
offer a more advanced course?
I think anyone who actually paid for the create-it course would be feeling a 
bit p*ssed off.

James
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Re: Forking Versions

[Mike Kerner]

So checkout is the same as syncing?
It's the details that make any system more difficult.  For instance, when
you want to merge a change into the main, you do a pull, even though from
your perspective you're pushing.  In the case of LC, you have to pull the
entire project, even if all you're really interested in is one piece of
it.  You fork a project even if you're not really doing anything to it.  It
would seem that you aren't really forking anything until you make a change
to it, but you have a fork nonetheless.  The graphs just make it look even
worse.

I'm sure I'll get the hang of it, but every time I look at it, I just want
to say "screw it, here's a bug report with the code I tweaked".

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Monte Goulding 
wrote:

>
> > On 10 Oct 2015, at 2:51 am, Richard Gaskin 
> wrote:
> >
> > Github is simple - if what you're building is the Linux kernel, which is
> what it was designed for. ;)
>
> Actually the hardcore guys don’t use GitHub… they have a mailing list and
> pass around patch files which git can also generate. GitHub is just a web
> app built on git… A very helpful web app but there you go. There’s others
> like BitBucket, GitLab etc. You can also just put a bare repo somewhere you
> can access and use that as a remote without any web UI. Lots of
> possibilities.
>
> It’s really not all that complicated but it is well worth reading at least
> the first 3 chapters of the git book https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 <
> https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2>
>
> The basic idea of distributed SCM is everyone has the source but nobody
> has anybody's changes unless they get them. To get them you need to point
> your repo to theirs (remote) and pull (pull means fetch and merge).
>
> Branches sound complicated too but they aren’t. All they are is a pointer
> to a commit. There’s a file in the .git directory for each branch that just
> contains a reference to a commit (a 1 line sha1 hash) that’s it. Each
> commit also has a pointer to its parent commit and that’s how you end up
> with a tree. A merge is just a commit with both a mum and a dad ;-)
>
> Checkout is just making your file tree the same as it was at a particular
> commit. Remember branches are just pointers to commits.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: Forking Versions

[Monte Goulding]

> So checkout is the same as syncing?

Hmm… checkout is just getting setting the state of all the files in the repo to 
the state they were in when you committed. It’s a local operation.

> It's the details that make any system more difficult.  For instance, when
> you want to merge a change into the main, you do a pull, even though from
> your perspective you're pushing.  

How are you pushing? Push is upload to server while pull & fetch are 
downloading. As I said before pull is just fetch and merge combined into one 
command for convenience. Fetch just downloads any commits and branch references 
you don’t have locally.

> In the case of LC, you have to pull the
> entire project, even if all you're really interested in is one piece of
> it.

Once you have cloned the repo when you pull you just get updates not everything 
again.

>  You fork a project even if you're not really doing anything to it.  It
> would seem that you aren't really forking anything until you make a change
> to it, but you have a fork nonetheless.  The graphs just make it look even
> worse.

You don’t have to do that. You could just clone their repo instead of forking 
on github and cloning your fork if you don’t want to contribute anything…

> 
> I'm sure I'll get the hang of it, but every time I look at it, I just want
> to say "screw it, here's a bug report with the code I tweaked".

Read those first three chapters of the git book I recommended and it will 
become much clearer.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: Forking Versions

[Mark Wieder]

On 10/09/2015 07:49 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:


It's the details that make any system more difficult.  For instance, when
you want to merge a change into the main, you do a pull, even though from
your perspective you're pushing.


No, it's just better to pull before pushing.
That way if anyone has pushed anything to the common repository before 
your latest pull from it, you have a chance to get the latest changes 
locally, make sure there aren't any conflicts, and only then is it safe 
to push your changes up.


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Re: Forking Versions

[Monte Goulding]

git will throw an error if you try to push and your commits aren't ancestors of 
the head of the branch you are pushing. You can get around this by force 
pushing but don't do that... Nasty... I don't even know why git allows it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Oct 2015, at 4:57 pm, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
> That way if anyone has pushed anything to the common repository before your 
> latest pull from it, you have a chance to get the latest changes locally, 
> make sure there aren't any conflicts, and only then is it safe to push your 
> changes up.

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