Backlight level save and restore as a init-script / upstart job for laptops

2014-12-23 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Debian and Ubuntu developers!

Let me inform you about the problem.
The problem is well described on LaunchPad - see
http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1270579 (21 users affected).

Here I can repeat myself.

I have tested many distros - Arch, OpenSuSe 13.1, Fedora 20, ALT Linux p7,
Sabayon, Mageia 4.
Many of them are based on systemd.
It does not matter what init system they use, but all of them have very
useful script (or binary program, I don't know) for saving and restoring
backlight level on laptop.

In these distros there is a script for save and restore backlight levels
for two video-cards (acpi_video0 and acpi_video1). During system boot it is
indicated as follows:

[ OK ] Started Load/Save Screen Backlight Brightness of acpi_video1.
[ OK ] Started Load/Save Screen Backlight Brightness of acpi_video0.

I have a draft version, which works normally on my VAIO F13Z1R laptop with
Ubuntu 12.04.4. It is in attachment.
You can use it unmodified or modify it for compatibility or something. I
made symlinks for it:

ln -s /etc/init.d/brightness /etc/rc0.d/S25backlight
ln -s /etc/init.d/brightness /etc/rcS.d/S25backlight
ln -s /etc/init.d/brightness /etc/rc6.d/S25backlight

For details you can read my comment on askubuntu (
http://askubuntu.com/a/227553/66509).

I think that having a script for saving and restoring backlight level is
very useful for laptop Ubuntu users.
So, please, add such init script to default Debian and Ubuntu installation.
Thank you!

With best regards,
Debian and Ubuntu user,
Norbert.


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Re: Backlight level save and restore as a init-script / upstart job for laptops

2014-12-25 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Petter!

Thank you for reply.

Here is a list:

   - in Arch backlight brightness load and save are provided by systemd
   (see Arch wiki
   <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/backlight#systemd-backlight_service>),
   it is in systemd
   <https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/systemd/> package.
   - in OpenSUSE 13.1, OpenSUSE 13.2, CentOS 7, Fedora 20, Fedora 21,
   Mageia 4 - systemd package
   <http://pkgs.org/search//usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight?type=files>
   - Sabayon has /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service
   - ALT Linux p7 has systemd, but does not have
   /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service
   - in Debian Jessie
   
<https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-backlight>
   and Debian sid
   
<https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-backlight>
   there is /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service
   - in Ubuntu Utopic
   
<http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-backlight&mode=filename&suite=utopic&arch=any>
   and Ubuntu Vivid
   
<http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-backlight&mode=filename&suite=vivid&arch=any>
   there is /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service

There is no backlight load/save functionality in (neither upstart nor
systemd):

   - Ubuntu Lucid
   - Ubuntu Precise
   - Ubuntu Trusty
   - Debian Wheezy
   - Debian Squeeze


So it seems that modern distros have backlight load/save functionality
via systemd-backlight
service
<http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-backli...@.service.html>,
but older systems does not have this functionality at all.
For older (but supported) systems one can use my script with symlinks (may
be with some files in /etc/pm/). I mean Debian 6, 7 and Ubuntu 12.04, 14.04.

If you have any suggestions and recommendations - I'm ready to hear.
What you and other developers think?

With best regards,
Norbert.

P.S. I found interesting projects for the same purpose - first is named
Light and hosted on GitHub <https://github.com/haikarainen/light>
(previously known as LightScript
<http://haikarainen.dotgeek.org/lightscript/>), second is named Relight
<http://xyne.archlinux.ca/projects/relight/>. But I think that init-script
approach is better.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Petter Reinholdtsen 
wrote:

> [Nrbrtx]
> > I have tested many distros - Arch, OpenSuSe 13.1, Fedora 20, ALT Linux
> p7,
> > Sabayon, Mageia 4.
> > Many of them are based on systemd.
> > It does not matter what init system they use, but all of them have very
> > useful script (or binary program, I don't know) for saving and restoring
> > backlight level on laptop.
> >
> > In these distros there is a script for save and restore backlight levels
> > for two video-cards (acpi_video0 and acpi_video1). During system boot it
> is
> > indicated as follows:
>
> While this seem like a useful feature, it can only be implemented once
> it is decided which package should take resposibility for it.  In which
> package is this handled byArch, OpenSuSe 13.1, Fedora 20, ALT Linux p7,
> Sabayon and Mageia 4?  Can you check, as you haveaccess to these
> already?  I do not.  Knowing this might give an idea where to fix it in
> Debian and Ubuntu. :)
>
> I do not expect to have time to work on this myself any time soon, but
> hope someone will. :)
>
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> Petter Reinholdtsen
>
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Display backlight level save and restore as a init-script / upstart job for laptops

2015-01-10 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Ubuntu and Debian developers!

I understand that you are very busy, but laptop users have problems
with saving and restoring display backlight level in Debian and Ubuntu.

Systemd-based distros (Fedora, OpenSuSe, Arch, Sabayon, Mageia) have this
functionality out the box (they have systemd-backlight@.service
),
but sysvinit and upstart not.

Here is a list:

   - in Arch backlight brightness load and save are provided by systemd
   (see Arch wiki
   ),
   it is in systemd
    package.
   - in OpenSUSE 13.1, OpenSUSE 13.2, CentOS 7, Fedora 20, Fedora 21,
   Mageia 4 - systemd package
   
   - Sabayon has /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service
   - ALT Linux p7 has systemd, but does not have /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-
   backlight service
   - in Debian Jessie
   

   and Debian sid
   

   there is /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service
   - in Ubuntu Utopic
   

   and Ubuntu Vivid
   

   there is /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service

There is no backlight load/save functionality in (neither upstart nor
systemd):

   - Ubuntu Lucid
   - Ubuntu Precise
   - Ubuntu Trusty
   - Debian Wheezy
   - Debian Squeeze

So it seems that modern distros have backlight load/save functionality via
systemd-backlight service
,
but older systems does not have this functionality at all.


This problem is well-described on launchpad (see bug 1270579
 ) and on
AskUbuntu (see my comment

on it). Around 160 users are affected.

Steps to reproduce:
1. User boots laptop (cold boot, not wake from suspend)
2. User sets comfortable backlight level
3. User ends his/her work by shutting down the laptop (not suspend, so
backlight level is not saved)
4. Go to 1 (another cold boot with resetted backlight level).

I prepared draft version for saving and restoring display backlight level
on laptops - it is saved on launchpad (upstart_brightness.tar.gz archive

, see comment #18 on launchpad
)
and may be installed to the system manually with
 sudo tar -zxvf upstart_brightness.tar.gz -C /

My script was tested on Ubuntu 12.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 - see reports on
AskUbuntu
,
Launchpad

and forum.ubuntu.ru 
on laptops with discrete, integrated and hybrid graphics card.

Please reply to this message if you are interested in such init-script.

Thank you!


With best regards,
Debian and Ubuntu user,
Norbert.

P.S. I found interesting projects for the same purpose - first is named
Light and hosted on GitHub 
(previously known as LightScript
), second is named Relight
. But I think that init-script
approach is better.
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[bug 1270579] On laptops, screen brightness isn't memorized between sessions

2015-01-29 Thread Nrbrtx 
There is a bug in Ubuntu upstart - see bug 1270579
.

HOW TO REPRODUCE:
1. Boot a laptop.
2. Set a different screen brightness level.
3. Reboot.

RESULT:
Backlight is not memorized.

FIX:
Into the "Terminal" application, enter the following lines one by one:
  - wget
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1270579/+attachment/4288756/+files/upstart_brightness.tar.gz
  - sudo rm /etc/rc?.d/?25backlight /etc/init.d/brightness
  - sudo tar -zxvf upstart_brightness.tar.gz -C /
  - rm upstart_brightness.tar.gz


Please react.
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Bug in glib (LP#1214352)

2015-02-28 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Ubuntu developers!

I found that there is a bug in glib package in Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS - see
LP#1214352 .
This bug breaks very useful and often used feature - opening LibreOffice
documents from Samba (SMB/CIFS) network shares.

In some cases this bug may become security flaw, denial of service or
desktop system freeze.

The patch for fixing it contains two lines (see it on GNOME

).

Please fix this bug.

For me it seems that not only critical bugs must be fixed as soon as
possible.
Bugs which make user's life harder should be fixed too. Users expect good
UX with Ubuntu.

With best regards,
Ubuntu user,
Norbert.
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Re: Bug in glib (LP#1214352)

2015-03-06 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear all!

I can't understand why you are ignoring my message.
The problem breaks normal work with LibreOffice documents in Ubuntu 12.04.5.
This version is LTS, some users do not want to upgrade it to 14.04.

Please fix this bug.
It makes negative reputation of whole Ubuntu and FOSS software.

With best regards,
Ubuntu user,
Norbert.


On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Nrbrtx  wrote:

> Dear Ubuntu developers!
>
> I found that there is a bug in glib package in Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS - see
> LP#1214352
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1214352>.
> This bug breaks very useful and often used feature - opening LibreOffice
> documents from Samba (SMB/CIFS) network shares.
>
> In some cases this bug may become security flaw, denial of service or
> desktop system freeze.
>
> The patch for fixing it contains two lines (see it on GNOME
> <https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=255c65f83c1515a7e3fc4609b36e72acc08a79e4>
> ).
>
> Please fix this bug.
>
> For me it seems that not only critical bugs must be fixed as soon as
> possible.
> Bugs which make user's life harder should be fixed too. Users expect good
> UX with Ubuntu.
>
> With best regards,
> Ubuntu user,
> Norbert.
>
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Re: Display backlight level save and restore as a init-script / upstart job for laptops

2015-03-29 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear all!

As you can read from bug 1270579 description
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1270579>, I created Ubuntu package for
saving and restoring backlight (brightness) level on laptops.

This package installs one file - "/etc/init.d/sysvinit-backlight" (sysvinit
script <https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nrbrtx/+junk/sysvinit-backlight/files>
).

You can install my package from PPA
<https://launchpad.net/~nrbrtx/+archive/ubuntu/sysvinit-backlight> with the
commands below:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nrbrtx/sysvinit-backlight
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install sysvinit-backlight

You can remove it by
sudo apt-get purge sysvinit-backlight

Please note: if you have installed the previous version of my script,
please remove it by
sudo rm /etc/rc?.d/?25backlight /etc/init.d/brightness
/etc/rc?.d/?25brightness

The script functionality is:
   * save backlight (brightness) levels of all video adapters on reboot and
shutdown (runlevel 0 and 6)
   * load backlight (brightness) levels for all video adapters on boot
(runlevel S and 2)
   * this version supports hybrid graphics

The script options are:
   * sudo service sysvinit-backlight status (show current brightness levels
and saved in files values)
   * sudo service sysvinit-backlight start (set saved level from files)
   * sudo service sysvinit-backlight stop (save current level to files)

Known problems:
   * brightness resets to maximum on login to MATE session (may be related
to https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-power-manager/issues/76)

Changes:
I removed all bashisms and made code more clear - thanks to Andreas
Mohr (andi).

I tested my package on Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS, 14.04.2 LTS and Ubuntu 14.10.


With best regards,
Ubuntu user,
Norbert.

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Nrbrtx  wrote:

> Dear Ubuntu and Debian developers!
>
> I understand that you are very busy, but laptop users have problems
> with saving and restoring display backlight level in Debian and Ubuntu.
>
> Systemd-based distros (Fedora, OpenSuSe, Arch, Sabayon, Mageia) have this
> functionality out the box (they have systemd-backlight@.service
> <https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commits/56f64d95763a799ba4475daf44d8e9f72a1bd474/src/backlight/backlight.c>),
> but sysvinit and upstart not.
>
> Here is a list:
>
>- in Arch backlight brightness load and save are provided by systemd
>(see Arch wiki
>
> <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/backlight#systemd-backlight_service>),
>it is in systemd
><https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/systemd/> package.
>- in OpenSUSE 13.1, OpenSUSE 13.2, CentOS 7, Fedora 20, Fedora 21,
>Mageia 4 - systemd package
><http://pkgs.org/search//usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight?type=files>
>- Sabayon has /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service
>- ALT Linux p7 has systemd, but does not have /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-
>backlight service
>- in Debian Jessie
>
> <https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-backlight>
>and Debian sid
>
> <https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-backlight>
>there is /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service
>- in Ubuntu Utopic
>
> <http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-backlight&mode=filename&suite=utopic&arch=any>
>and Ubuntu Vivid
>
> <http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-backlight&mode=filename&suite=vivid&arch=any>
>there is /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-backlight service
>
> There is no backlight load/save functionality in (neither upstart nor
> systemd):
>
>- Ubuntu Lucid
>- Ubuntu Precise
>- Ubuntu Trusty
>- Debian Wheezy
>- Debian Squeeze
>
> So it seems that modern distros have backlight load/save functionality
> via systemd-backlight service
> <http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-backli...@.service.html>,
> but older systems does not have this functionality at all.
>
>
> This problem is well-described on launchpad (see bug 1270579
> <http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1270579> ) and on
> AskUbuntu (see my comment
> <http://askubuntu.com/questions/151651/brightness-is-reset-to-maximum-on-every-restart/227553#227553>
> on it). Around 160 users are affected.
>
> Steps to reproduce:
> 1. User boots laptop (cold boot, not wake from suspend)
> 2. User sets comfortable backlight level
> 3. User ends his/her work by shutting down the laptop (not suspend, so
> backlight level is not saved)
> 4. Go to 1 (another cold boot with resetted backlight level).
>

Re: Issues with recent security updates?

2015-06-04 Thread Nrbrtx 
Hi!

On such strange moments I recommend to do fsck -fy of all filesystems, then
verify all system files with debsums
:

   1. sudo apt-get install debsums
   2. sudo debsums_init
   3. sudo debsums --all --changed
   4. collect the list of packages with missed files, then reinstall them
   manually with   apt-get install --reinstall ... (config files will be
   saved)

Hope this helps.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Dale Amon  wrote:

> On Sunday I did a dselect update to pull in the current
> security updates for trusty LTS.
>
> I rebooted Monday morning and found that my desktop
> had been massively modified with no warning.
>
> * My bottom bar disappeared
> * Places disappeared from the top bar
> * Buttons on windows changed such that there was
>   only a delete button
> * With the bottom bar gone, I lost my usual desktop
>   selector.
>
> There may be other things but those are the primary ones. I
> certainly did not expect any such change in an LTS. Is there
> any way I can either back out these changes or repair the
> damage? The unexpected and unwanted UI change is driving me
> nuts and having significant impacts on my work productivity.
>
> Help!
>
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Re: livemix_0.49~rc5-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb

2015-07-22 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Peppe M!

I think you should report bugs on launchpad (
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livemix) with "apport-bug
livemix" command.
Then you can suggest your patches here and add link to upstream issues.


With best regards,
Norbert.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peppe M  wrote:

>
> I report some bug and  i suggest a possible solution.
>
> http://codingteam.net/project/livemix/bugs/show/3030
>
> http://codingteam.net/project/livemix/bugs/show/3031
>
> Arch: amd64
> Distribution: KxStudio
> Package: livemix_0.49~rc5-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb (source version)
>
> Best regard
> linvswin
>
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Keyboard layout switching in modern Ubuntus

2017-05-01 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Ubuntu developers!

I have just upgraded my machines from 12.04 to 14.04.

After upgrades I discovered that there are some issues with keyboard layout
switching.
I have two keyboard layouts - English and Russian.
I prefer to install GNOME FlashBack session into normal Ubuntu (Unity)
flavor.
I tried to set my favourite keyboard layout switching shortcut ,
but it does not switch keyboard layouts.
I tried both GNOME FlashBack with Metacity and Compiz sessions. My shortcut
does not switch layouts. Even on clean minimal install.
Of course it works on Unity, but I use it very seldom on one netbook.

Previously I suggested to add test-suite for GNOME FlashBack sessions with
no positive results (see bug 1604466
).
I reported new bug 1687466 .
I can't set  because of interference with other
 shortcuts (see bug 1245473
).
As temporary solution I set , but it is unusual.

My questions are:
1. Is it possible to use  as keyboard layout switcher in GNOME
FlashBack sessions?
2. Do you plan to fix  interference?
3. Why we have both gnome-control-center and unity-control-center on simple
system with GNOME FlashBack?
4. What is the future of unity-control-center?

With best regards,
Norbert.
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Re: Keyboard layout switching in modern Ubuntus

2017-05-02 Thread Nrbrtx 
Thank you for replies Ralf, Gunnar, Oliver, Dmitry, Alberto!


>On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Dmitry Shachnev  wrote:
>You may want to upgrade further to 16.04 or 17.04 (if this is not a typo).
I upgraded my 12.04 to 16.04, not 14.04. It was a typo. I'm sorry.

>On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Dmitry Shachnev  wrote:
>A better mailing list for questions related to GNOME Flashback sessions
would
>be gnome-flashback-l...@gnome.org. But in this case I will help you here
too.
GNOME community seems to be unfriendly.

>On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Dmitry Shachnev  wrote:
>It is possible. I have just tested the Ubuntu 16.04.2 live image and
setting
the “Switch to next source” to “Alt+Shift L” in unity-control-center works
for me.
It works in Unity session, but not in GNOME FlashBack. Shortcut is set, but
not usable.
Even with modifier only shortcut.
It seems that unity-control-center was called from indicator-keyboard (did
right click on it, then Text Entry Settings...)

>On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Dmitry Shachnev  wrote:
>It should be already fixed. Please test if it occurs in Ubuntu 17.04.
I prefer to use LTS versions of Ubuntu.

>On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Dmitry Shachnev  wrote:
>From testing the same Ubuntu 16.04.2 live image: if I type “apt-get install
>gnome-session-flashback”, nothing pulls in gnome-control-center.
I tried from mini.iso. It seems that indicator-bluetooth requires
unity-control-center.
I just tried to install gnome-session-flashback on Ubuntu MATE 16.04.
It has both unity-control-center and gnome-control-center. I'm able to set
, but it does not work.

>On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Dmitry Shachnev  wrote:
>I think it will receive only critical fixes, like Unity itself. Do not
expect
>any new features there.
OK, I understood.


Below is my opinion on current problems of keyboard layout switching. I say
about GNOME FlashBack sessions, not Unity.

I sincerely don't understand what you in Ubuntu (or GNOME - I don't know
precisely) have done with layout switching.
In previous 12.04 LTS version it works normally in all desktop
environments. Why?
It is possible that there were no unity-control-center fork and
indicator-keyboard was not invented.
By the way in MATE desktop environment it works (even in modern 1.12 and
1.16).

Many of us use two keyboard layouts in Windows.
Which keyboard shortcut is used here for switching layouts?
In XP it was  or . Some users prefer both right
 and left .
In Windows 7 and 8.1 it is still possible to use these shortcuts.

I understand that many developers adore Apple products and take good and
bad ideas from them.
In my opinion  is not good keyboard shortcut for layout
switching when working with long bilingual texts.
But why conventional layout switching is broken?
And what is interesting, ubiquity installer sets 
(XKBOPTIONS="grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll" in /etc/default/keyboard,
see bug 1270574 ).
Why it is done so? It's strange. In installer  was set, but GUI
sessions use . What is the reason for such a mess?

Do you remember hottest bug 1218322
 (1010 are affected)?
Problems are not solved after 4 years. Is it normal?

My colleagues use , but this shortcut can't be used because of
interference with other shortcuts started with  (for example,
) - see bug 1245473 .
In Unity this combination may be used but it creates visual problems for
user (for example, selected text is blinking
 while using ).


I sincerely ask you to pay attention to keyboard layout switching problems.


With best regards,
Norbert.
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CVE-2017-1000364 kernel fix brake user-space programs

2017-06-23 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Ubuntu developers!

I can't understand how this happen, but your latest kernel upgrade broke
many user-space applications.

For me this process was started from Scilab. I can't use it with new
kernels (linux-image-3.13.0-121-generic on 14.04; linux-image-4.4.0-81-generic
on 16.04).
So I reported bug to launchpad - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1699892 .

Scilab users ask their developers for the fix, but the root of the problem
is the kernel (see http://bugzilla.scilab.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15141,
http://bugzilla.scilab.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15145,
http://bugzilla.scilab.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15192,http://bugzilla.scilab.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15194,
http://bugzilla.scilab.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15195).

After some digging I discovered that other apps are affected too - see
comments on other bug page ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1698919 ). The
list contain the following programs:
* Oracle Java Plugin (see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1699772 )
* Scilab at least in Trusty and Xenial (see
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1699892 )
* LPCxpresso (see https://community.nxp.com/thread/453939 )
* RMongo (see https://stackoverflow.com/a/44699417 )
* Ubiquity UniFi (see
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/UniFi-Controller-failed-after-dist-upgrade/td-p/1967779
)
* Eclipse (see
https://askubuntu.com/questions/927746/eclipse-crashes-with-linux-kernel-4-4-0-81-generic
)

Debian 7, 8 and 9 are affected too (see
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865549 and
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865672 ).

It is not OK.
Do you plan to revert this security patch?
Problem may have wider spread, than detected now.

With best regards,
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Re: LibreOffice bug - cannot load calc 5.1.4.2

2017-06-29 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear paul!

It seems that you have not installed all updates to your system.
What version  of LinuxMint do you
use? Have you added libreoffice PPA?

According to version of libreoffice - 1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1 (
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1) it is
based on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Xenial Xerus.

You can try
sudo apt-get purge libreoffice libreoffice-base libreoffice-draw
libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math libreoffice-writer
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install aptitude
sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
sudo apt-get install -f
sudo apt-get upgrade -f
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f
sudo apt-get install libreoffice libreoffice-base libreoffice-draw
libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math libreoffice-writer


With best regards,
Norbert.


On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 9:26 PM, paulwhee...@cox.net 
wrote:

> LibreOffice bug - cannot load calc 5.1.4.228 June, 2017
>
>
> You are getting this bug report, because you are listed as the
> 'maintainer' for this package. See: 'Maintainer of LibreOffice package.png'
>
>
> If you are not at fault, then send the information to libreoffice.
>
>
> I would appreciate not getting any excuses for why your team is not
> responsible for this package, because the attached photo says you are! I
> doubt that hardware or OS has anything to do with this bug,
>
>
> Bug Report:
>
> I created a new linuxmint installation. I installed libreOffice. I tried
> to look at a calc file. Got the attached error message.
>
> (see '/media/paul/26 Sep 2016 New/MyDocuments/Bug Reports - Not
> church/LibreOffice broken package - cannot load calc.png')
>
>
> Also, I have attached a picture showing that the lost file is, indeed, in
> the directory!
>
>
> REALLY?
>
>
> I have run linuxmint on this hardware and even the same version of mint
> for quite a while.
>
> Now your package does not include a needed library?
> Now what do I do, besides cry?
>
>
> Frustrated, and falling behind in my work, because of your bug.
>
> paul
>
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Re: Openscap package too outdated

2017-07-10 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear all!

As you may remember I tried to get OpenSCAP working on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
since 2014 (see my question on launchpad [Solved in comment 27] How to use
openscap on Ubuntu or Debian?
).

I have already reported some bugs about OpenSCAP:
* 2017-01-22 1658529 "[SRU] OpenSCAP packages should be updated to the
latest versions on Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 LTS"

* 2017-01-22 1658492 "[needs-packaging] For security reasons scap-workbench
should be available in supported Ubuntu LTS versions - 14.04 and 16.04"

* 2017-01-23 1658759 "oscap with com.ubuntu.xenial.cve.oval.xml wrongly
reports many unpatched (and unknown) non-installed packages on Ubuntu
Xenial 16.04.1 LTS" 

These bugs are very close to the current discussion. Please pay attention
to them. I added actual comments.

IMHO OpenSCAP and OpenSCAP Workbench should be available and often upgraded
in such a great GNU/Linux as Ubuntu.
It's security audit tool, is not it?
Otherwise enterprise users will not use Ubuntu. And they will use RedHat or
CentOS.

With best regards,
Norbert.



On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Robie Basak  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 01:25:26PM +0200, Jesus Linares wrote:
> > It will be great if you update the official one.
>
> Please understand that there is currently no Ubuntu development team
> committed to updating this package in Trusty. If you'd like to see this
> happen, your best chance is to contribute the update yourself. Start
> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
>
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Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-23 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Ubuntu developers!

I'm using Debian since 3.1 and using Ubuntu since 6.06.
So let me write about installing programs.

As far I can understand here were two methods of software installation:
1. apt (apt-get), dpkg, aptitude - for advanced users
2. synaptic and Ubuntu software-center - for newbies.

Nowadays gnome-software and mate-welcome were added to the newbies' list.
But they have very small lists of software.
Ubuntu software-center was great, but its development was dropped.


What we have as result?

There is only one mature and functional software manager. It is named
*Synaptic*.
But ... it works very strange. I talk about Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS (!) here.
I do not know why you migrated apt-xapian-index to Python3. This migration
is incomplete and buggy (see bug 1612948
).
Almost everytime when I open Synaptic it says "Rebuilding search index". We
have bug about this (see bug 1685376
). It takes a lot of time even on
SSD (on HDD it is really painful). I launched Synaptic to find some package
by name, or description, or section, or status and I always need to wait
when it finished rebuilding index.
If I try to download changelog of some package it complains about
privileges (see bug 1522675 ).
It shows duplicate entries for packages, installed from various origins
(see bug 1533554 ).

So if you can please fix all aforementioned bugs in Synaptic and its
friends (apt and apt-xapian-index).
Synaptic is essential package, it is like aptitude on server, but it is on
desktop.
For such package every bug which made user's life harder should be fixed as
soon as possible by maintainers or upstream developers. Time for SRU should
be minimal.




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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Nrbrtx 
Thank you for reply, Matthew!

I discovered another great tool - Muon Package Manager. It really rocks.
I'll try to use it as Synaptic replacement.

But please take care about aforementioned bugs. I list them again:
bug 1612948: axi-cache conversion to python3 broke the script (12 users
affected) <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1612948>
bug 1685376: Synaptic rebuilds search index very often and inefficient (8
users affected) <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1685376>
bug 1522675: Warning messages about unsandboxed downloads (368 users
affected) <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1522675>
bug 1533554: Duplicate package entries shown when listing by package origin
(48 users affected) <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1533554>


With best regards,
Norbert.


On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas 
wrote:

> Nrbrtx wrote on 24/08/17 01:33:
> >…
> > As far I can understand here were two methods of software
> > installation:
> > 1. apt (apt-get), dpkg, aptitude - for advanced users
> > 2. synaptic and Ubuntu software-center - for newbies.
>
> Synaptic is fine for what it is, but it is not even close to being “for
> newbies”. It doesn’t show the real name of any app (unless the name
> happens to be mentioned in the description), it doesn’t show reviews or
> recommendations, it doesn’t show screenshots until you click a “Get
> Screenshot” button each time, and it prominently displays propellerhead
> jargon like “multiverse”, “Mark All Upgrades”, and “Get Changelog”.
>
> > Nowadays gnome-software and mate-welcome were added to the newbies'
> > list. But they have very small lists of software.
> > Ubuntu software-center was great, but its development was dropped.
> >
> > What we have as result?
> >
> > There is only one mature and functional software manager. It is named
> > *Synaptic*. But ... it works very strange. I talk about Ubuntu 16.04.3
> > LTS (!) here. I do not know why you migrated apt-xapian-index to
> > Python3. This migration is incomplete and buggy (see bug 1612948
>
> apt-xapian-index was ported to Python 3 because it was one of the tasks
> necessary for porting Unity to Python 3.
> <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsXPythonVersions#
> apt-xapian-index>
>
> It was also one of the tasks necessary for porting Ubuntu Software
> Center to Python 3. Unfortunately other parts of that project were not
> completed.
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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Nrbrtx 
IMHO gnome-software is too simplified and stupid as all modern GNOME.
No options (except of shortcut to software-properties-gtk), no advanced
search.
I will not use it. 63% of 88 reviews are negative.

> It has exactly the same set of s/w available as Synaptic does.
False.
Let's assume that we need to install libgtk2.0-dev from gnome-software.
How to do it? Simple search of libgtk2.0-dev produces no results (note:
software-center finds and installs this package). Any other ideas?
gnome-software is a toy for installing nice games and GUI applications.


I prefer to use MATE DE with Synaptic (which is powerful, but buggy now) or
maybe Muon (from KDE, does not really matter if it works stable).



On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 24 August 2017 at 01:33, Nrbrtx  wrote:
> > Dear Ubuntu developers!
> >
> > I'm using Debian since 3.1 and using Ubuntu since 6.06.
> > So let me write about installing programs.
> >
> > As far I can understand here were two methods of software installation:
> > 1. apt (apt-get), dpkg, aptitude - for advanced users
> > 2. synaptic and Ubuntu software-center - for newbies.
> >
> > Nowadays gnome-software and mate-welcome were added to the newbies' list.
> > But they have very small lists of software.
> > Ubuntu software-center was great, but its development was dropped.
>
> Ubuntu software has been replaced by gnome-software. It has exactly
> the same set of s/w available as Synaptic does.
>
> Colin
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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Nrbrtx 
>OK, I see where you are coming from. It never occurred to me that
>anyone wanting to install libgtk2.0-dev, or similar, would want to use
>a GUI. I assumed everyone used apt for that.  Obviously I am wrong.
lol :)

In other words gnome-software is not a good alternative for
software-center. It's a bad parody.

So Synaptic bugs should be fixed.
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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

2017-08-26 Thread Nrbrtx 
Thank you, Ralf!

> To see into what packages software from upstream is
>split https://tracker.debian.org/ is helpful. Helpful
>is https://packages.ubuntu.com/ in combination with Google.
I'm very familiar with this sites and console utilities - apt-get,
apt-cache, aptitude, dpkg, apt-file (searches not installed files).
Other site I like is pkgs.org. It searches packages in all linux
distibutions (see https://pkgs.org/download/synaptic as example).

>There are helpers such as auto-apt, http://www.debiananwenderhandb
uch.de/auto-apt.html so you might not to search anything. Instead of running
>The text I found is in English, on the left there is a selection box were
you could chose the language, seemingly the original link is in German.
Nice catch!
I have never used auto-apt. I have heard about it, but not used it before.
I'll try to compile something with it :)


>> Коля Гурьев
>And by the way, why are the search results different? These programs use
different repositories?

Theoretically gnome-software should show all packages from APT and AppStream
.
In practice gnome-software is great new program from hipsters, I think. It
is shiny and it is all that we need from it to love it :)

>> Jeremy Bicha
> Please also try gnome-packagekit. (It installs an app named Packages).

I tried gpk-application before writing this first post.
Search in description does not work in it, but search by name works.
Overall functionality is poor.

>One more issue with Synaptic is that it does not work on GNOME on
>Wayland, the default session in the upcoming Ubuntu 17.10.
You mean bug 1712089
, right?
I can't reproduce it on fresh QEMU install. It reports that I use normal
Xorg in all sessions (ubuntu and GNOME).
But synaptic in 17.10 rebuild index often as before, and axi-cache is
broken too.


For now I'm testing Muon and it seems to be very good.

But Synaptic is mature and well-known.

In Debian Stretch it works very stable. It is pre-installed as
recommendation for Xfce, Cinnamon, MATE, LXQT, LXDE and other desktops:
$ apt-cache rdepends synaptic
synaptic
Reverse Depends:
  aptoncd
  task-xfce-desktop
  task-mate-desktop
  task-lxqt-desktop
  task-lxde-desktop
  task-gnome-desktop
  mate-menu
  lxqt-config
  education-desktop-other
  education-desktop-mate
  education-desktop-lxde
  education-desktop-gnome
  cinnamon-desktop-environment
 |apt

In Ubuntu Xenial we have:
$ apt-cache rdepends synaptic
synaptic
Reverse Depends:
  aptoncd
 |apt
  lubuntu-desktop
  update-notifier
  update-manager
 |apt
  mate-menu
  lubuntu-desktop
  cinnamon-desktop-environment
  update-notifier
 |apt
  update-manager

So it *should* work stable on Ubuntu too.
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Firefox ESR package is really needed

2017-09-09 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Ubuntu developers!

For enterprise Ubuntu users Firefox ESR
 is needed.
It does not change too fast and support old "LEGACY" extensions
.

This problem was discussed at least twice on AskUbuntu (see
https://askubuntu.com/questions/305199/is-there-a-deb-package-to-install-
firefox-esr and https://askubuntu.com/questions/505895/how-can-i-
install-an-older-version-of-firefox-in-ubuntu-14-04 ).
There is a bug about this problem on Launchpad (see
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1676164).

For example in Windows my organization uses Firefox ESR.
We do not need bells and whistles, we need to do our work with stable user
experience and without security vulnerabilities.

Debian already has Firefox ESR (see
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&exact=1&searchon=names&keywords=firefox-esr)
for all supported versions.

Please add these packages to all supported Ubuntu versions.
You may want to use bleeding edge version as default, but please add
firefox-esr package too.


With best regards,
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Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed

2017-09-18 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear all!

Do you have any news about packaging Firefox ESR in supported Ubuntu?


With best regards,
Norbert.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Logan Rosen  wrote:

> Matthias, it looks like you added firefox-esr to the sync blacklist from
> Debian in this commit
> <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+junk/sync-blacklist/revision/588>.
> Can you please shine some light on why this change was made? Thanks!
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Nrbrtx  wrote:
>
>> Dear Ubuntu developers!
>>
>> For enterprise Ubuntu users Firefox ESR
>> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/> is needed.
>> It does not change too fast and support old "LEGACY" extensions
>> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing>
>> .
>>
>> This problem was discussed at least twice on AskUbuntu (see
>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/305199/is-there-a-deb-packag
>> e-to-install-firefox-esr and https://askubuntu.com/question
>> s/505895/how-can-i-install-an-older-version-of-firefox-in-ubuntu-14-04 ).
>> There is a bug about this problem on Launchpad (see
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1676164).
>>
>> For example in Windows my organization uses Firefox ESR.
>> We do not need bells and whistles, we need to do our work with stable
>> user experience and without security vulnerabilities.
>>
>> Debian already has Firefox ESR (see https://packages.debian.org/se
>> arch?suite=all&exact=1&searchon=names&keywords=firefox-esr) for all
>> supported versions.
>>
>> Please add these packages to all supported Ubuntu versions.
>> You may want to use bleeding edge version as default, but please add
>> firefox-esr package too.
>>
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Norbert.
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Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed

2017-09-29 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear all!

Do you have any news about packaging Firefox ESR in supported Ubuntu?


With best regards,
Norbert.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Logan Rosen  wrote:

> Matthias, it looks like you added firefox-esr to the sync blacklist from
> Debian in this commit
> <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+junk/sync-blacklist/revision/588>.
> Can you please shine some light on why this change was made? Thanks!
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Nrbrtx  wrote:
>
>> Dear Ubuntu developers!
>>
>> For enterprise Ubuntu users Firefox ESR
>> <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/> is needed.
>> It does not change too fast and support old "LEGACY" extensions
>> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing>
>> .
>>
>> This problem was discussed at least twice on AskUbuntu (see
>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/305199/is-there-a-deb-packag
>> e-to-install-firefox-esr and https://askubuntu.com/question
>> s/505895/how-can-i-install-an-older-version-of-firefox-in-ubuntu-14-04 ).
>> There is a bug about this problem on Launchpad (see
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1676164).
>>
>> For example in Windows my organization uses Firefox ESR.
>> We do not need bells and whistles, we need to do our work with stable
>> user experience and without security vulnerabilities.
>>
>> Debian already has Firefox ESR (see https://packages.debian.org/se
>> arch?suite=all&exact=1&searchon=names&keywords=firefox-esr) for all
>> supported versions.
>>
>> Please add these packages to all supported Ubuntu versions.
>> You may want to use bleeding edge version as default, but please add
>> firefox-esr package too.
>>
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Norbert.
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Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed

2017-10-01 Thread Nrbrtx 
Thanks to JonathonF - he built latest Firefox ESR 52.4.0. Interested users
may download it from PPA
https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr
 .

But this is not user-friendly solution.

Debian already packaged Firefox ESR 52.4.0 (see
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&exact=1&searchon=names&keywords=firefox-esr
).

Current status of addons porting is indicated here (
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TFcEXMcKrwoIAECIVyBU0GPoSmRqZ7A0VBvqeKYVSww/htmlview#
).
There are lot LEGACY (see
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing )
addons.
November with Firefox 57 (see https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
) will come very soon.

I hope that Canonical will find resources for packaging Firefox ESR.
Enterprise users will be very pleasant.

With best regards,
Norbert.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Marcos Alano 
wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:04 PM, James Henstridge
>  wrote:
> > On 29 September 2017 at 11:43, Marcos Alano 
> wrote:
> >> What is the difference between keep the latest release and a ESR
> >> release? ESR someday was a latest release.
> >
> > It's not really a question of whether Firefox-ESR is more difficult to
> > maintain than Firefox.  Rather, the comparison is between the
> > maintaining Firefox and maintaining both Firefox and Firefox-ESR
> > simultaneously.
> >
> Understood. I think we need to do is ask some tough questions to find
> a way to finally make available the firefox-esr.
> Someone already asks a question I think it's very tough: how firefox
> and firefox-esr can live together? Maybe just a different namespace
> with /etc/alternatives symlinks. Actually could be a good idea because
> allows more integration with Firefox Beta and Firefox Nightly provided
> by Mozilla Team. Mozilla Nightly is in a different namespace, but Beta
> updates the stable version which isn't a good way since I can't test
> beta without lose stable.
>
>
> > James.
>
>
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It is time to use MATE DE as default desktop on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS

2017-10-22 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Ubuntu users and developers!

I just installed the newest Ubuntu 17.10 with a new version of GNOME Shell,
pretending to be Unity.
This release is very important, because it determines the future of the
next LTS version - 18.04.

I want to share my impressions on 17.10. In short, it's a total nightmare.

Why can not I change the behaviour of the window (,  for
fixing it Always on top or  to maximize it) with the standard shortcut?
This functionality has existed for years. To whom did she interfere? (see
bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1725706 ).

Why do we need this new-fashioned Shell? Why can not programs be
categorized as they were before?
You can see GNOME FlashBack and MATE DE as good examples.

GNOME Shell does not improve productivity at all. Even Unity was more
convenient.
How do I explain to a person by phone what he should do to run a program?
How can I find the program in this menu, if I do not know exactly its name
and keywords on which it can be found? GNOME Shell can't speedup this
process.

Why are the icons in the new system tray so small? (see bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1263228 ).

Why are the Wi-Fi, Ethernet, Bluetooth and VPN status icons hidden by
default? Horizontal space on modern monitors is wide enough. Why do I need
an additional "Select network" step when connecting to Wi-Fi? Why can not I
connect to the network selected in this window by double-clicking? Why do I
need to see entire desktop shaded the when entering the network key? Behind
shade, user can hardly see the current keyboard layout. Where did the check
mark for showing entered symbols?
Why network indicator with a question mark is displayed in the tray on
normal Wi-Fi connection (sites in the browser open normally, ping works)?

Why is switching windows to  so slow? If I opened two terminals,
why can not I see them at once? This system for work or for what?

Why does the terminal open its new instances by default in a new window?
Why not in the tab?
Who removed the keyboard shortcut  to create a new tab? (see
bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1725938 ).
Why can not I rename the title of the terminal or its tabs? (see bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1448511 )

What should I do for quick connection to the server, for example via FTP,
SMB or SSH? Where is the equivalent "Places -> Connect to server"? This is
a frequently used function.

Why does the installer select the  keyboard layout switch when
selecting two languages ​​during installation (for example, English and
Russian or English and Greek), although you say everywhere that the
standard is ? (see bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/200029
, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242572 ).
Why did you allow interference in Firefox with  (see bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1712200 ).
I'm happy with , but it should not interfere with Firefox.

Why can not I use the keyboard shortcut  to switch the keyboard
layout?
Why it creates other interference (see bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1245473 ).

Why can not I right click to change the properties of the Gedit editor
window, and instead the window just minimizes? (see bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1725708 ).

Why all local disks are hidden in the Nautilus?
Why do I need the "Other locations" button to view all logical drives of
this computer?
Why can not I create a new blank document from the drop-down menu (see bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1437502 ).

Why can not I run graphics applications that require root privileges for
years to function properly under the Wayland default session?
I do not need such security, I need to work.
(see bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1713313 ,
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1713311 and fresh discussion on AskUbuntu -
https://askubuntu.com/q/961967/66509 ).


As a result, I can conclude the following: a modern desktop GNOME, not
intended for real work.
I understand that GNOME developers are probably inspired by Apple's macOS
interfaces. But macOS is productive and functional.
Perhaps GNOME developers are looking at macOS interfaces under the hipster
dope of stupid innovation without taking into account the experience of
past generations.

Modern KDE is good, but overloaded with settings, like the good old KDE
3.5. Modern Xfce is not functional enough.
Using GNOME Classic and GNOME FlashBack will not help much, because it does
not change the look and functionality of standard GNOME applications.

Therefore, I seriously suggest to consider the possibility of using the
MATE DE by default in the version of Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Desktop. You can even
include its dock by default using the Mutiny template.

I recommend to conduct a survey of users indicating their roles (home user
or professional user) to select the default desktop environment.

Please think about it.

With regards,
Norbert.
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Re: Firefox ESR package is really needed

2017-11-16 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear community!

According to this AskUbuntu question (https://askubuntu.com/q/977138/66509)
- the problem is critically actual.
We have 550 views of this question for 2 hours.

Please make official ESR package and put it alongside bleeding-edge version.
New shiny Firefox disables many LEGACY extensions (see
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TFcEXMcKrwoIAECIVyBU0GPoSmRqZ7A0VBvqeKYVSww/htmlview#
).
Users and developers need time for the switch.
They can't repair car while driving it.

With best regards,
Norbert.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Rico Tzschichholz 
wrote:

> I will give it a try to provide some ubuntu-flavoured firefox-esr builds
> in https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa which are
> meant to be co-installable with firefox and firefox-trunk.
>
> Rico
>
> Am 01.10.17 um 23:27 schrieb Nrbrtx:
> > Thanks to JonathonF - he built latest Firefox ESR 52.4.0. Interested
> > users may download it from PPA
> > https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr
> > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ejonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-esr> .
> >
> > But this is not user-friendly solution.
> >
> > Debian already packaged Firefox ESR 52.4.0 (see
> > https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&exact=1&;
> searchon=names&keywords=firefox-esr
> > ).
> >
> > Current status of addons porting is indicated here (
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TFcEXMcKrwoIAECIVyBU0GPoSmRqZ
> 7A0VBvqeKYVSww/htmlview#
> > ).
> > There are lot LEGACY (see
> > https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-add-technology-modernizing
> > ) addons.
> > November with Firefox 57 (see
> > https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar ) will come very soon.
> >
> > I hope that Canonical will find resources for packaging Firefox ESR.
> > Enterprise users will be very pleasant.
> >
> > With best regards,
> > Norbert.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Marcos Alano  > <mailto:marcoshal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:04 PM, James Henstridge
> >  > <mailto:james.henstri...@canonical.com>> wrote:
> > > On 29 September 2017 at 11:43, Marcos Alano <
> marcoshal...@gmail.com <mailto:marcoshal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> What is the difference between keep the latest release and a ESR
> > >> release? ESR someday was a latest release.
> > >
> > > It's not really a question of whether Firefox-ESR is more
> difficult to
> > > maintain than Firefox.  Rather, the comparison is between the
> > > maintaining Firefox and maintaining both Firefox and Firefox-ESR
> > > simultaneously.
> > >
> > Understood. I think we need to do is ask some tough questions to find
> > a way to finally make available the firefox-esr.
> > Someone already asks a question I think it's very tough: how firefox
> > and firefox-esr can live together? Maybe just a different namespace
> > with /etc/alternatives symlinks. Actually could be a good idea
> because
> > allows more integration with Firefox Beta and Firefox Nightly
> provided
> > by Mozilla Team. Mozilla Nightly is in a different namespace, but
> Beta
> > updates the stable version which isn't a good way since I can't test
> > beta without lose stable.
> >
> >
> > > James.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marcos Alano
> > --
> > P: Por que este email é tão curto?
> > R: http://five.sentenc.es
> > --
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Install directory therion ubuntu 17.10

2017-11-21 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Gernot!

I do not know what is therion, but it is available in official repository -
see https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&searchon=
names&keywords=therion .
If you need to compile it manually it will be better if you install it with
checkinstall (see https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall ).

With best regards,
Norbert.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Gernot Voelkl  wrote:

> Hello Together!
>
> In what directory shot i copy therion and compile?
>
>
>
> Is usr/bin/local the rigth directory?
>
>
>
> Best kindly regards
>
>
>
> Gernot
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Re: Ubuntu Monthly Update Cadence Proposal

2018-02-01 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Bryan and all!

I think that the greatest problem nowadays is that reported bugs are not
fixed and/or even triaged.
I have asked for support on community.ubuntu.com (
https://community.ubuntu.com/t/improving-bug-visibility/2626). But bug
visibility is still low.
Sometimes I think to stop reporting bugs, but I want to make Ubuntu better.
So I'll continue (https://bugs.launchpad.net/~nrbrtx).

As conclusion I can say the following - if "Monthly Update Cadence
Proposal" will help to fix cosmetic (non-security, non-critical) bugs
inside (or before) LTS lifecycle, than it would be really great. LTS must
be stable and user-friendly.


With best regards,
Norbert.



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:07 AM, Bryan Quigley 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Instead of releasing a version of Ubuntu every 6 months, we release
> select core components of Ubuntu every month.  Updates to core
> components would need to be staggered so that no closely coupled
> components would see a major release within the same month.
>
> We'd provide a newsletter every month before the core components land
> and provide possible plans for the next 2 months.
>
> There would be at least one additional place (PPA) to test every core
> component update before it gets to -proposed.
>
> My hypothesis is that this will help create stability and make the
> monthly releases predictable enough that we will get more users than
> we currently have on our non-LTS releases.
>
> It would be possible to try this process for 18.10.  If it shows
> itself to be an improvement, we can keep doing it indefinitely.  If
> not, we can call it a failed experiment and release 18.10.
>
> I wrote a good bit more about this proposal, including a possible list
> of some core components and how the schedule would have worked for the
> past year - https://bryanquigley.com/pages/papers/ubuntu-monthly-
> update-cadence.html
>
> Thanks a bunch!
> Bryan
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Scilab bugs 1739476 and 1739477 on launchpad

2018-02-09 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Ubuntu and Debian developers!

Please take care on the following bugs in Scilab:

   - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/1739476 - Scilab
   6.0 launches, shows its window and closes immediately on bionic
   - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/1739477 - Scilab
   6.0 shows warnings about files from package liblucene4.10-java, but does
   not depend on it


Scilab users in Debian and in Ubuntu need fully-functional Scilab on Ubuntu
18.04 LTS.


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Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

2018-05-09 Thread Nrbrtx 
Dear Bryan and all!

Please do not forget about some special hardware configurations such as
Thin Clients.
For example we use about 50 machines as Fat LTSP clients with Intel Celeron
and Intel Atom. Their RAM is limited to 2Gb by hardware. They use Ubuntu
16.04 LTS with MATE desktop environment.

Even if CPU is 64-bit compatible, it will be impermissible luxury (or high
RAM usage in other words) of 64-bit OS. I prefer 32-bits here as it reduces
RAM usage.

Please take into account my logic about 32-bit LTSP clients. And do not
drop 32-bits completely.

With best regards,
Norbert.

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:07 PM, Bryan Quigley 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for
> consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling centers.
> The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade ago, and support
> from an increasing number of upstream projects has ended.
>
> Ubuntu and flavors just completed the 18.04 release cycle. This released
> version will either be supported until 2021 or 2023, depending on the
> product, team, and willingness to support it. At that point in time, the
> majority of these machines are approaching two decades old.
>
> >>Previous 2016 thread: And in 2018, the question will come if we can
> effectively provide security support on i386.
> We can't.  Machines running i386 Ubuntu which are capable of running amd64
> Ubuntu are vulnerable to the critical Meltdown vulnerability where they
> wouldn't be if they were running amd64. (Some actual i386 hardware simply
> isn't vulnerable, but some is).
>
> We still have a relatively high number if i386 downloads but that doesn't
> mean users machines are not capable of amd64. For the flavors remaining
> today on i386 here are some i386 to amd64 ratios for 18.04:
>
> Lubuntu cdimage - 0.87
> Lubuntu tracker - 0.64
> Lubuntu error (pcmanfm) - 0.11
> Xubuntu cdimage - 0.49
> Xubuntu tracker -  0.30
> Xubuntu error (thunar) - 0.10
> Kylin tracker - 0.30
> Kylin error (engrampa) - 0.10
> Kubuntu cdimage - 0.14
> Kubuntu tracker - 0.12
> Kubuntu error (kinit) - 0.07
>
> The data retrieved from cdimage is for a limited time period on May 7th. All
> cdimage statistics included many hundreds to thousands of downloads (except
> Ubuntu Kylin due to it using it's own CDN, so not being included here).
> The torrent tracker results are available here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:
> 6969/.
> The error tracker statistics come from comparing top bugs shared between
> i386 and amd64 over last week. Bugs that affect multiple flavors are not
> included.
> It's not fully understood why there is a large discrepancy between the
> error tracker and other sources - but it's possible apport doesn't work as
> well in low memory.
>
> With Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Budgie, and Ubuntu Studio joining Ubuntu Desktop
> and Server in not offering i386 support in order to focus their efforts,
> and these statistics in mind, we (flavors) should all join them. Now is
> the ideal time to do so, because it's before the Cosmic cycle is really
> under way, and if support were continued for i386, we don't want users to
> meet a dead end with respect to upgrade paths, and would support it until
> 20.04 (which means either five or seven more years of i386). Users still
> have the support cycle of 18.04 to use their machines and get full support,
> so these machines will still be able to function. But with no new machines
> being manufactured, we have to deprecate support at some point.
>
> The first step would be to all agree on dropping images/installers but we
> should keep the end goal of dropping the port in mind ideally soon as
> well.
>
> On the list of known blockers for removing the i386 port are Steam and
> Wine. Solus' snapped Steam is progressing nicely and Steam deb is difficult
> to maintain as is [See removal bug]. That leaves coming up with a good
> way forward for Wine.
>
> Thanks!
> Simon Quigley
> Bryan Quigley
>
> [2016 email thread] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-
> June/039420.html  (was Installation Media and supportability of i386 in
> 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386)
> [removal bug] https://pad.lv/1759715
>
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