Re: Ubuntu beyond GTK apps?
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Conrad Knauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was reading /. and they have an article up about "QGtkStyle" > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/15/1319204 > > "A new project called QGtkStyle by Trolltech Labs gives Qt4 based > applications the possibility to integrate natively into Gtk based > desktops like Gnome or Xfce. Instead of simply imitating Gtk styles > QGtkStyle uses the Gtk theme engine directly. The project is still > considered experimental, but is another step into better integration > between Qt and Gtk applications." > > And it reminded me of something that I had been thinking about in the > past; Ubuntu is GNOME-based, but does not always default to GNOME's > app selections (e.g. Firefox, GIMP and OpenOffice.org as I recall). > Wouldn't it be interesting to take that a step further and have Ubuntu > represent the best Linux apps (e.g. K3B?), regardless of widget > dependency? If QGtkStyle (or such) could seamlessly integrate them > visually, I don't see why (beyond LiveCD size restrictions) that this > wouldn't be a good idea... > > Anyway, just thought I'd mention the idea to see what people think. > > CK > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > There will always be something obvious about QT apps running in GNOME or GTK apps running in KDE. It's a question of who amongst the two desktops will bend for the sake of consistency of their each own applications. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Sugar, Spice & Everything Nice!
Hello, With Avahi turned on by default on Feisty, would it be nice to include libhowl-avahi-compat0 for Gaim, so people within the same LAN can talk to each other? Another is to use gshare exclusively, in replacement of samba, and add --disable-shares on gnome-system-tools? Why not Integrate Galago within the desktop for Beagle? And Install selinux by default. Regards, Joel -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Adding my humble ubuntu-based distro to "unsupported platform" dialog in gnome-system-tools.
Hello, I'm creating "AMA Desktop Linux" a distribution based on Ubuntu Edgy and Debian upstream. A project of AMA Computer College, and will be used by 300+ AMA campuses all over the Philippines. Whenever I configure the network, a "unsupported platform" dialog appears, however, I searched the gnome-system-tools source and couldn't find any data on where it get the distribution names. I like to ask if I can 1. Entirely disable the dialog upon compile 2. Add my distribution name to the list. If the only option is #2, I want to ask how to do it.. I thank you for all the hardwork you done on Ubuntu and Debian!, I love you all!! :-) Regards, Joel -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Adding my humble ubuntu-based distro to "unsupported platform" dialog in gnome-system-tools.
On 12/21/06, Krzysztof Lichota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joel Bryan Juliano napisał(a): > Hello, I'm creating "AMA Desktop Linux" a distribution based on Ubuntu > Edgy and Debian upstream. A project of AMA Computer College, and will be > used by 300+ AMA campuses all over the Philippines. > > Whenever I configure the network, a "unsupported platform" dialog appears, > however, I searched the gnome-system-tools source and couldn't find any > data on where it get the distribution names. I guess it gets it from /etc/lsb-release and you have changed it to not say "Ubuntu", but the name of your distribution. HTH Krzysztof Lichota I have made changes to base-files with the included files /etc/lsb-release and /etc/motd. I think it's the reason why gnome-system-tools detected that the platform is unknown. Another reason, maybe is I'm using qemu under Windows with kqemu enabled. I'm using my home pc, with no cdrom, I'll have to wait for the holidays before I can use the school's facilities to burn the image. About the OS, it's a simplified ubuntu distribution, with a lot of custom graphical wizards to configure voip and stuff. It also has a welcome center and screencast tutorials. It's a graphical version of GNOME with tons of wizards that aims to make life in linux easy. Regards, Joel -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com /mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Suggestion: Goal towards a cleanlinks compliant Ubuntu.
Currently, cleanlinks is not friendly to Ubuntu. The use of it cripple the system and applications into unusable state. However the purpose of cleanlinks is very positive towards a lean and clean system. /usr/bin/cleanlinks removes broken symbolic links and empty directories, it's use can be good for all advantages, and it can also lessen the spins of a desktop live cd. All Ubuntu applications should create directories that it needs, when it doesn't exists. Use locate function to search for a specific file and directories, and not rely on symbolic links. Implementing those features to all Ubuntu applications will make the system smart. And I think cleanlinks should be use regularly upon shutdown. Regards, Joel -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Adding my humble ubuntu-based distro to "unsupported platform" dialog in gnome-system-tools.
On 12/21/06, Hervé Fache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/21/06, Joel Bryan Juliano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > About the OS, it's a simplified ubuntu distribution, with a lot of custom > graphical wizards to configure voip and stuff. It also has a welcome center > and screencast tutorials. It's a graphical version of GNOME with tons of > wizards that aims to make life in linux easy. Do you think these wizards could benefit Ubuntu too? Can you tell us more about what they are, and how they are implemented? What license? Thanks, Hervé. I will always be grateful to Ubuntu and will return the favor to upstream. It's from Debian and Ubuntu, without them, the project is nothing. How dare I am if it's not GPL. Regards, Joel -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Suggestion: Goal towards a cleanlinks compliant Ubuntu.
On 12/22/06, Andrew Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/21/06, Joel Bryan Juliano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All Ubuntu applications should create directories that it needs, when it > doesn't exists. Use locate function to search for a specific file and > directories, and not rely on symbolic links. I'm curious what evidence you have that searching for a file is better than using a symlink. Thanks, Andrew Jorgensen searching for a file using locate is better, because it doesn't depends too much on a static system, nowadays, systems are dynamically changing, upgrades, installations makes the system changes alot. It's an approach towards system scalability, in terms of architecture, platform, etc. Regards, Joel -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
An update repository for a custom distro?
Hi, I have a custom distro, that have alot of customize packages, I would like to use the Ubuntu repository for the updates, but I'm afraid that the customize packages would be replaced with the ubuntu packages upon update, I'm wondering how will I use the Ubuntu repository without the customize packages be replaced with the ubuntu version? Is it possible? If not, updates and g-a-i will be nothing at all (for now) :-( Regards, Joel -- Happy Holidays! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: An update repository for a custom distro?
On 12/26/06, Sebastian Heinlein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Di, 2006-12-26 at 03:06 +0800, Joel Bryan Juliano wrote: > Hi, > > I have a custom distro, that have alot of customize packages, I would > like to use the Ubuntu repository for the updates, but I'm afraid that > the customize packages would be replaced with the ubuntu packages upon > update, I'm wondering how will I use the Ubuntu repository without the > customize packages be replaced with the ubuntu version? Is it > possible? If not, updates and g-a-i will be nothing at all (for > now) :-( > > Regards, > Joel How many packages did you modify? Furthermore I would welcome feedback about the software-properties dialog layout and the underlaying infrastructure. I am currently working on making it more derviat friendly. Cheers, Sebastian Hi, I have modified nautilus, libgnome, metacity, gdm for custom gconf configurations, relating to themes and backgrounds, icons shown on desktop, and default icon view to both-horiz. Gnome-panel had been modified with a custom buttom panel layout that have Tomboy, gnome-main-menu, show desktop applet and window-list applet. (A custom gnome-panel .entries file), a custom about distro dialog. A modified start-here.svg (distributor-logo) for gnome-icon-theme and tango-icon-theme. A slightly modified gnome-sessions shutdown dialog, and starts resapplet and fast-user-switch automatically (both are modified to hide .desktop entries in the menus), a script that creates a customize nautilus metafile for icon location of trash (bottom right), A customized icons for ~/Documents, ~/Photos and ~/Music, that is relative to $HOME, and $HOME/Desktop, also included in the custom scripts is a randomize photo configuration (if not yet customized) on /usr/share/pixmaps/faces (I know this should be done on account creation, but I don't know how), and a welcome-center for the distro. gnome-volume-manager, that uses banshee, multisync and f-spot on devices. base-files for a custom lsb-release. My apologies, I have alot of modified apps. These are from Edgy, with the latest updates, If it's possible, I will maintain those modified packages for merging the custom changes with the new updates. I think that's all that is modified. Regards, Joel -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Feisty breaking graphic card?
On 12/26/06, t u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Interesting, and scary: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=325209 (no, the OP there is not me) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss I thought it was an isolated case but It happens too on my dad's laptop and I quickly turn it off. It only happens when I execute the ubiquity installer. Buttom half of the LCD screen goes dead pixel, luckily my dad's laptop still works! Now I'm using a laptop, and have the latest feisty installed with a low-latency kernel, I'm kinda nervious. I haven't tried installing through a live-cd, I just dist-upgrade. My dad's laptop is HP Compaq nc8430 Mine is Compaq Presario 1500 (not HP) Both have ATI video cards. -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Hide the entries with "Unknown" from "Device Manager"
The Gnome HAL Device manager was showing too much "Unknown" entries, which is not very helpful for users. (optimistic users that is :-), pessimist love it) I think it should be better if it should hide the entries with Unknown strings. For example, if Vendor is Unknown, just hide the entire Vendor line. What do you think? -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Is it possible to profile a live-cd with readahead-watch?
Hi, I have made alot of modifications in a live-cd (updated to the latest edgy, with new kernel), and would like to refresh the readahead files in /etc/readahead. I'm trying to pass "profile" in the gfxboot, but It doesn't work. Is there a way to enable profiling on a live-cd booted system? Joel -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ubuntu-desktop metapackage - options?
On 1/1/07, Alec Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok. Here's the situation. When you install Ubuntu, you might (like me) not want Firefox, and prefer Epiphany instead. You might prefer mozilla thunderbird over evolution, or BMPX over Rhythmbox. If you are one of these people, you probably get rather annoyed that you have to keep Firefox, Evolution and/or Rhythmbox, or remove ubuntu-desktop, hence not receiving any updates to the desktop metapackage. Standalone Epiphany isn't possible yet in Ubuntu. I think it's fixed on using Firefox even if Debian implemented the use of xulrunner already. The Ubuntu changelogs says they don't do xulrunner, only firefox. I guess the inclusion of Firefox is a market strategy, because alot of people knows firefox, I think it's one of the reason they are drawn to Ubuntu. But being an open source sympathetic person, I prefer Epiphany, because the more people are using it, the more it will be known and be developed, and somehow it will be much better than firefox, and will gain acceptance. Here's the idea. The ubuntu-desktop metapacakge should allow different options for the dependencies such as mozilla-firefox OR epiphany-browser OR iceweasel, evolution OR mozill-thunderbird, rhythmbox OR bmpx etc etc. Metapackages is an important concept in the management of a distribution. There should be a greater discussion about the use of it. For example, in the area of settings management and delta patches, instead of editing the xorg.conf to make use of the best settings for ATI, just install a metapackage to automatically set it up for you. Joel -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: flash player 9 -don't include it in Feisty
On 1/19/07, t u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I usually don't write to tell stuff like this, but this is just unbearable... I was using Flash 7 & Fx 2 with Dapper and I was very happy. After the release of the interview with Torvalds, I updated to Flash 9 (after it was announced not to be a beta anymore). For the last two days, Fx crashed about every 20 minutes on flash-using sites like youtube. I read about similar experiences with Flash betas at the forums too. Fx never crashed on me before... I would like to ask the devels not to include Flash 9 in our repositories... It is too damn buggy, and it's not worth the bad PR Feisty might get with crashing Firefoxes... Thanks for your patience in reading this Sincerely. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss I've been using Flash 9 since October last year, and haven't had any crashing Firefox with it. The only thing that I have problems with it is when it's in the early stage, it doesn't recognize my webcam when recording under flash, but the newest update fixed it already. When your using Flash 7 to play YouTube, your wasting too much bandwidth, since your downloading a backward compatible version that is twice the size of a Flash 9 version. Flash 9 uses On2 VP6 codec, that can record a near DVD quality video in a very minimal size. The company On2 also open sourced their VP3 codec, which is now know as OGG Theora, a superset and improved version of On2 VP3 codec. Regards, Joel -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Herd 3: Crash Report right after Booting Live or Fresh Install
On 2/3/07, Andreas Schildbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi everyone, I'm just checking if these are known bug(s): 1) Right after booting Herd 3 live or a fresh install I get a crash report (about Add/Remove Programs) in the systray area. This seems to be very reproducible. 2) I tried to use the designated error reporting mechanism for reporting the error, but unfortunately the web browser never showed up after sending the crash data. I am using a Dell Latitude X1, which did not surface problem #1 with Herd 2 or earlier. Regards, Andreas Herd 3 now includes Python 2.5 (with all the necessary modules), and doing so, removed alot of Python 2.4 modules. And I see that most of the applications are working with 2.5, except that Gnome App Install is the only application that use Python 2.4, which is currently an increment of CD space, which is too bad, because we can't test out one of the most shiningly important and super advance application in this world, the libgimme super automatic codec installer. Oh the humanity! Cheers, Joel -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
An Entirely Different Approach on LiveCD Installer.
Since Squashfs 3.1 had been released, it now supports specifying "the filename or the directory within the Squashfs filesystem that is to be extracted, rather than always extracting the entire filesystem."[1] This allows the LiveCD to function in different ways rather than loading the entire desktop onto the memory. For example, make the LiveCD to load only the necessary files to run the Desktop, but only of limited applications. This may help breaking the minimum memory requirements of the LiveCD which is really big. Another approach is to create a RHGB/Firstboot like application that would only be used for installing the LiveCD onto the system, that works like the alternative install CD, but on X. Would this be a great idea to be included in SoC 2007? Any Comments? [1] - squashfs-3.1r2 CHANGES and README -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: An Entirely Different Approach on LiveCD Installer.
On 2/12/07, Jonathan Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Joel > > Joel Bryan Juliano wrote: > > Since Squashfs 3.1 had been released, it now supports specifying "the > > filename or the directory within the Squashfs filesystem that is to be > > extracted, rather than always extracting the entire filesystem."[1] > > This allows the LiveCD to function in different ways rather than > > loading the entire desktop onto the memory. For example, make the > > LiveCD to load only the necessary files to run the Desktop, but only > > of limited applications. This may help breaking the minimum memory > > requirements of the LiveCD which is really big. Another approach is to > > create a RHGB/Firstboot like application that would only be used for > > installing the LiveCD onto the system, that works like the alternative > > install CD, but on X. > > The current Ubuntu live CD squashfs doesn't get loaded into memory at > the moment, it gets mounted and then files are read transparently from > the filesystem. > > As for the RHGB/Firstboot idea, I tend to agree with you. We already do > it in tuXlabs, where we have a dialog that pops up before the desktop > loads on the live CD, asking whether the user wants to install, or use > the LiveCD. This makes it possible to install using Ubiquity on a > machine with only 128MB RAM. > > -Jonathan > Hi Jonathan! That is really nice work! Is it open source? will it be implemented on future Ubuntu LiveCD? Is the source code available for the chooser? > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- Carpe Diem -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: More explicit names for iso images ?
On 2/23/07, Laurent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello > > >Now, every iso files of feisty (for instance) are named > feisty-desktop-i386.iso. > This is the same name for Ubuntu Herd-3 and Kubuntu Herd-4. > > I think that names should be more explicit. As for example > herd3-desktop-i386.iso > and > kherd4-desktop.i386.iso. > The name should completely determines the nature of the software. > > yup, this seems to be a problem, specially when downloading the daily images over FTP on a slow internet connection because the Daily directory will change the contents daily, so if your still downloading from FTP that links to the daily archive, chances are you are getting the wrong file. It happens to me twice. > Have a good week-end > Laurent Claessens > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- "I use to fuel my car with water, now I switched back to gasoline because my cigarette lighter doesn't work" - People who use Linux but switched back to Windows. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Idea: Restricted Formats in Examples?
No, We don't want to advertise Microsoft codecs. On 2/24/07, Alec Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the examples folder (which there is a symlink to in ~/Examples), > there are some useful example files for trying stuff out, demonstrating > Ubuntu capabilities in several ways such as videos, music, images etc. > However, the multimedia files are all in free formats. I think that it > would be a good idea to have examples in a variety of non-free formats > too, such as MP3, AAC, WMA etc, so that you can test Ubuntu's ability to > play these non-free formats (once you have installed the appropriate > gstreamer on xine plugins). But this would be useless on the LiveCD, as > no-one would install gstreamer plugins on the LiveCD, so it would only > be useful in the installed system. There would also need to be a readme > file saying something like "These files are in non-free formats, which > cannot be played in a default Ubuntu install for legal reasons. To > install the appropriate plugins, add the universe and multiverse > repositories and do the command sudo aptitude install blah blah blah" > > What do you guys think of this idea? Are there any legal issues related > with shipping MP3 files with Ubuntu? > > > --- > Alec Wright > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- "I use to fuel my car with water, now I switched back to gasoline because my cigarette lighter doesn't work" - People who use Linux but switched back to Windows. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: forgotten ubuntu-calendar
On 2/28/07, t u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, May be because it seems unimportant, or maybe because the artwork team is not happy that their efforts have been thrown away (I do *not* know, I'm speculating), this package is getting requests fro revival but no one is doing anything. If nothing ubuntu-specific will be done about the package, can you at least set it so it uploads featured pictures from commons (wikimedia)? Here is a bit of info on how to do it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2007-February/000613.html Bug report for this: https://launchpad.net/bugs/77289 Previous discussion at ubuntu-art: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2007-January/003651.html Thanks :) Man, I starred this post, because that's what I feel too not only the art team, but also the other teams. Honestly, I used to see the ubuntu wiki pages filled with new specifications every minutes.. *ahem* What the hell is wrong with everyone!! Hey Wake UP!! Ubuntu is a ROCKIN' Distribution, can't you not see?!! It got Shipit!! Kubuntu! Xubuntu! Don't be ignorant!! We are the f*ckin Rockstar here!! So F*ck whatever happen before!! What's IMPORTANT is TODAY! Just f*ckin get OVER it! and just do it! *ahem*... Anyways if you got angry with me, It's really not an issue.. -- Stay away from Piracy, use Open Source. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Gnome 2.18 will wound Microsoft badly.
In 2006, 95% of Fortune's 100 are using PGP and 75% are in Fortune's Global 100. With Seahorse now being accepted in Gnome 2.18, I see that it will wound Microsoft badly. While Microsoft doesn't have PGP encryption applications of their own, PGP in Linux and Gnome is much easier to setup with Seahorse than ever before. This is one of the most important "killer apps" Linux and Gnome have, with companies all over the world have a great interest in PGP cryptography. Gnome's Groupware Suite, Evolution has long been using PGP cryptography operations, and now with Seahorse, it will "just works" pretty well, out-of-the-box. With Seahorse's integration with the Gnome Desktop, PGP cryptographic operations will now work from Text editors, Web Browsers to Nautilus File Manager. Seahorse in Gnome 2.18, I can say this is "really something!" Joel -- Stay away from Piracy, use Open Source. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: forgotten ubuntu-calendar
On 3/1/07, Ouattara Oumar Aziz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Farning a écrit : > On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 20:13 +0800, Joel Bryan Juliano wrote: > >> >> What the hell is wrong with everyone!! Hey Wake UP!! >> Ubuntu is a ROCKIN' Distribution, can't you not see?!! >> It got Shipit!! Kubuntu! Xubuntu! Don't be ignorant!! >> We are the f*ckin Rockstar here!! >> So F*ck whatever happen before!! What's IMPORTANT is TODAY! >> Just f*ckin get OVER it! and just do it! >> > Joel, > > Please follow the Ubuntu Code of conduct found at > http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct when communicating via ubuntu > mailing lists. > > thanks Hi, I think we've all understood that the guy was joking when using that king of speech. :) OK, I'm crossing my fingers (again), with my hands covering my eyes (again). Since the beginning I joined the Ubuntu mailing-list, opening an e-mail is really a suspense for me. But hey, we all have our own ways of communication right? We can walk the walk and talk the talk, and always got an issue with it. ( i.e. Why did you name it Common Hooker?, Bling?, why are you posting dangerous scripts on the list? -- OK I promise it will never happen again.) but we're always thriving for conformity, for better or for worst, there is something that is going to change, and something that is going to be missing. Then you realize that it's not you anymore. It's just, sometimes we're comfortable with our indifferences. -- Stay away from Piracy, use Open Source. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
OpenID and Ubuntu?
Nice new system called OpenID, at first I heard about this, I was so excited about the technology. Here's my thoughts about the advantages of OpenID + Ubuntu integration. * Launchpad - We can have people from other parties[1] to use launchpad services, like Malone, Blueprint and Rosetta. A website/blog avatar would say, "Help Translate Ubuntu", that links to Launchpad's OpenID Login Page. * Ubuntu Wiki - Using OpenID, people from other parties[1] can login, and participate in the wiki, one or two corrections, or a sprung of genius maybe? * Fridge - A Fridge article was slashdotted.. expect some comments can be anywhere around, of course, using OpenID. * Web Support / Forums - Googling about a solution returns Ubuntu OpenID sites, it's time to ask your questions. [1] OpenID enabled servers, probably from blogs, websites, Gnome, RedHat, SuSE, etc. What are your thoughts? -- Stay away from Piracy, use Open Source. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
How to join Google Summer of Code 2007?
I'm really really would like to join the Google SoC 2007, I have a lot of proposals in mind, and I have a strong confidence that I can prove them technically*. After 1 year of waiting, I can't elaborate how enthusiastically dead serious I'am. Anyone can help me how to join? Someone will donate a system76 computer for me, and I'm expecting them within 2 days, so I'll be very well equipt for the job. What are the mechanics of an Ubuntu SoC 2007 student, do I need to be a MOTU? * see my portfolio, http://joelbryanonsoftware.blogspot.com -- Stay away from Piracy, use Open Source. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Preconfiguring Emacs.
-- I love emacs but it's tedious to preconfigure the ~/.emacs directory everytime I install it, for example to insert a timestamp in the changelogs, I'll have to create a emacs lisp file so it'll have to do it, and it's easier in vim do to, just :r!date -R, but well, I'm an emacs user since 1996, and I can't really elaborate what emacs can do compared to vim. Would it be nice to have an emacs package create a preconfigured configurations for common tasks in programming like editing changelogs. I'm not a MOTU, but I guess most of the MOTU's use emacs, what about create an emacs package that is preconfigured for MOTU's? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Preconfiguring Emacs.
On 3/10/07, Zak B. Elep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Joel Bryan Juliano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Would it be nice to have an emacs package create a preconfigured > > configurations for common tasks in programming like editing > > changelogs. I'm not a MOTU, but I guess most of the MOTU's use emacs, > > what about create an emacs package that is preconfigured for MOTU's? > > Haven't you seen the dpkg-dev-el, debian-el, and emacs-goodies-el > packages? As for changelogs, Emacs has had the GNU-style changelog ever > since, while the Debian-style changelog is available as another mode in > dpkg-dev-el. You should really be using debchange(1) in devscripts to > edit changelogs though (which debian-changelog-mode assists...) > > Cheers, > > Zakame > > > -- > Zak B. Elep > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This will be really helpful to all of my _rad_ projects right? (as you described it on other post..). Though they might be informal, but they help alot of people.. -- Stay away from Piracy, use Open Source. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Preconfiguring Emacs.
On 3/10/07, Joel Bryan Juliano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/10/07, Zak B. Elep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Joel Bryan Juliano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Would it be nice to have an emacs package create a preconfigured > > > configurations for common tasks in programming like editing > > > changelogs. I'm not a MOTU, but I guess most of the MOTU's use emacs, > > > what about create an emacs package that is preconfigured for MOTU's? > > > > Haven't you seen the dpkg-dev-el, debian-el, and emacs-goodies-el > > packages? As for changelogs, Emacs has had the GNU-style changelog ever > > since, while the Debian-style changelog is available as another mode in > > dpkg-dev-el. You should really be using debchange(1) in devscripts to > > edit changelogs though (which debian-changelog-mode assists...) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Zakame > > > > > > -- > > Zak B. Elep > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > This will be really helpful to all of my _rad_ projects right? (as you > described it on other post..). Though they might be informal, but they > help alot of people.. > > -- > Stay away from Piracy, use Open Source. > And by the way, thank you for resigning my only Mark Shuttleworth signed CD, At the moment I showed it to you, I'm really shocked that you signed it. Well, It has a dedicated frame on my room, and I have 2 signatures on it already. ...I guess, I should be more appreciative... -- Stay away from Piracy, use Open Source. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fwd: Seahorse and gnupg 2
Hello, I just want to forward this to Ubuntu. It's a script that makes it possible to load the .gnupg files in a storage media for use with Seahorse. So for example. students, office workers just have to save their .gnupg directory in a USB disk to use Seahorse. It's haven't been done yet*, and this is really interesting! * other than the autorun.sh in GVM -- Forwarded message -- From: William L. Thomson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mar 15, 2007 3:50 AM Subject: Re: Seahorse and gnupg 2 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] With the cooperative effort of several Gentoo developers. A gnupg-2 wrapper script has been created. We are using it in the place of gpg binary. We were symlinksing gpg -> gpg2 but now the wrapper script replaces gpg, so Seahorse and etc can call it. Here is a link to the script. Basically drop it in, and Seahorse works perfectly with gnugp-2. At least so far, hiccups or problems might be in the near future. But at the present moment, seems to be smooth sailing. http://dev.gentoo.org/~betelgeuse/gpg-wrapper -- William L. Thomson Jr. Gentoo/Java -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBF+FIYPrChP8zZLyYRAstnAKCCMT6S87cBh90YR5IP332HmJXsWwCfTMWE FGQg9lHA1fSIO2aEzw18RAQ= =MTyW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Google SOC, Project Proposal
On 3/23/07, Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please could you write down the project idea in a wiki page at wiki.ubuntu.com? Use the SpecTemplate for the page. If you didn't already apply (see [1]), then please do so before Mar 26. Evaluation and ranking of the submitted projects will start next week. Matthias [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2007/Students Matthias, I have already passed some proposals, is it a requirements for students to put them on the wiki page? I'm new, this is my first time to be a GSoC student. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Where are the SpecTemplate?
Apparently the wiki SpecTemplate is missing, does this offer a solution that helps to overcome a certain dillema? What potential sources of conflict does this move provides? I apologize for my curiosity.. where can I find it? -- MAILING-LIST SEND: boom!! I'm immortalize! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Where are the SpecTemplate?
On 3/26/07, Joel Bryan Juliano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Apparently the wiki SpecTemplate is missing, does this offer a solution that helps to overcome a certain dillema? What potential sources of conflict does this move provides? I apologize for my curiosity.. where can I find it? Yikes, I didn't realize I'm SpecSpeaking, heh! filling out too much GSoC applications must been cr0nked my brain! LOL! Someone might have deleted the SpecTemplate or is it moved? -- MAILING-LIST SEND: boom!! I'm immortalize! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Registering a distribution to Launchpad.
Good Day, I'm on the process of finishing a project distribution for AMA Computer University that will be used throughout the 300+ AMA campuses around the Philippines. It will be advertised on TV, radio and newspaper in the coming months that will be funded by AMA. I would like to ask how do I add the distribution to launchpad like on https://launchpad.net/distros page, the scenarios are it has changes on some ubuntu packages and would like to use the distro branch for tracking. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
xdg-user-dirs in the next ubuntu?
Hi, I'm proposing the use of xdg-user-dirs in the next Ubuntu release, while I'm not intending to copy OSX or Windows for having ~/Music or ~/Movies directory, I just think it's positive to have those in the first place to allow them to choose where to organize or put their files. -- "object-oriented programming is really just a common sense extension of structured programming" - Roger Sessions -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
What happened to the Ubuntu SoC 2006 projects that we're so excited about?
What happened to those SoC 2006's "Ubuntu Welcome Center?" and "Panel Switcher?".. the last time I checked them out through svn around 5 months ago, is still the same files I have now. It's really disappointing that those people actually have resources to make those, and not make use of it.. I'm so pissed off I actually made my own versions of those software in just 2 days time (during midnight in a borrowed computer from a friend.). Where is the final product? -- "object-oriented programming is really just a common sense extension of structured programming" - Roger Sessions -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Suggestion: Actively support reverse engineering projects
On 8/7/07, Magnus Blomfelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > I have a suggestion about how to actively support > reverse engineering projects. I think reverse engineering is important for developing a driver or any particular interface that communicates with a hardware (ie winmodems) or software. (ie. wine) But I do not believe that we should continually reverse engineer something in order for a hardware or software to work. The roots of the problem is the proprietary software, firmwares, bioses, etc. There are some FOSS drivers in the works that is not yet > suitable for Ubuntu. However helping them along the way might > get us there sooner. > > My suggestion is a program that would match the hardware a > user have with the hardware a reverse engineering project > needs information about. If it is a match the program would > ask the user if he/she wants to help the project. > > Preferably it should be simple things like taking an automatic > dump of a piece of hardware or a quick test to see if a driver > works. > > One example would be to help Nouveau[1] with cards that need > dumping. There is currently 44 up to date dumps, 105 old dumps > and 104 cards still missing. The program could have a great > impact here. > [1] http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ > > Another example would be to do a quick test to see if some > wifi or modem driver could retreive something over the net. > For instance "Can you see the picture below?". Answering yes > could send some information to the project and answering no > could also send some info to the project if the user has some > other means of connectivity. > > There are some alternatives of when the program should be run: > - Automatically for all new versions of Ubuntu > - Automatically for all betas of Ubuntu > - When the user actively wants to run it. > > It would of course be important to communicate with the reverse > engineering teams to make sure they get information they want. > > My hope is for someone to pick up this idea and make something > out of it. I think 'revenge' would make for a cute name for a > reverse engineering project, if it's not already taken. > > I realize this might not be a new idea, it might already be > implemented or it might be too much for the user to deal with. > > Sincerely > Magnus > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > -- "object-oriented programming is really just a common sense extension of structured programming" - Roger Sessions -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu development...
On 8/26/07, Chris Warburton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, 2007-08-26 at 00:26 -0400, Tim Hull wrote: > > > 2. The current default fonts look dreadfully ugly. For one thing, they > > are MASSIVE (on Gutsy at least), and they use a type of hinting which > > makes them look quite ugly when compared to OS X. What I suggest here > > is to 1) revert the auto-DPI-detect/change to 11-pt font in Gutsy - > > things look much better in Feisty with the settngs where they were 2) > > investigate changing the default hinting to either autohinter or no > > hinting - this, while a little blurry, seems to look eons better than > > the "native" hinter. > > > On this point I'm wondering if this may be caused by CompositeByDefault, > since running XGL on my laptop (non-free ATI drivers, no aiglx for > me :( ) causes the font rendering to change and ends up with much larger > fonts than regular Xorg. This happens regardless of whether a > compositing window manager is being run or not. Perhaps an accelerated X > server is the reason Gutsy fonts look bigger and uglier for you than > Feisty? (I haven't changed the font preferences from the Ubuntu > defaults) > That is because Ubuntu still doesn't make any radical changes into their choice of font rendering. It's still using "Native" hinting, versus "Autohinter" rendering (which is default in Fedora). I think here's what we need to do, we need to have "*orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public enquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters." *for the Ubuntu guys to change it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Virtual servers management in Ubuntu
I have a chance to implement virtual servers using Xen in our school and while looking for ways to simplify the tasks, I have found Ganeti, http://code.google.com/p/ganeti/ it's a command-line based virtual server manager and within an hour, I have everything working successfully. I hope this package get to the Ubuntu repository, because this is really helpful. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Updates of http://changelogs.ubuntu.com
On 9/7/07, Pär Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I often use the "view changelog" feature in aptitude to review changes before > installing updates of important packages. This downloads the changelog from > http://changelogs.ubuntu.com which unfortunately very often fails as the > changelog site is out of sync with the archive and don't have the changelogs > for the latest updates. > > The easy way to fix this is simply to update the changelog site much more > frequently than what is done now. > > Best regards > Pär Andersson > I think the best thing to do with it is to show the changelogs in Malone, so that problems that occured can be see clearly after an update of the package. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Graphical installer for the alternate CD?
On 9/24/07, Tormod Volden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Michael R. Head suppressingfire.org> writes: > > The obvious suggestion is to use the alternate CD, but a graphical > > installer that has lower system resources would be nice. Or even if the > > Desktop CD had a boot mode that could launch the GUI installer using > > directfb-gtk (is that still around anymore?) without loading all of X > > and the entire desktop. > > What I have been doing on my 240MB (256MB minus 16MB for the graphics > card) > laptop is to log in to a "Failsafe xterm" session and launch ubiquity from > there. This way to skip the gnome circus has always made it. You might > prefer to > start the metacity& window manager before starting ubiquity. > > Maybe this would be easy enough to add as an option to the gdm session > selection? > > Tormod Same here, I think there's a need for a console-based Ubiquity installer, and a need for it to be accessible on the isolinux boot prompt -- "object-oriented programming is really just a common sense extension of structured programming" - Roger Sessions -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Graphical installer for the alternate CD?
On 9/24/07, Michael R. Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just talking a friend through a Live CD install of feisty on an > older machine. It has 256M of RAM and no swap partition. This > configuration runs the desktop CD very poorly. I have a similarly > configured machine here, and the booting to the desktop takes 30 > minutes. I configured the same machine with a swap partition, and the > boot took around 8 minutes. When configured with 512M and a swap > partition, boot time is about 5 minutes. What's more, with the swap > partition, the desktop is actually usable, since apps get cached in > swap. > > The obvious suggestion is to use the alternate CD, but a graphical > installer that has lower system resources would be nice. Or even if the > Desktop CD had a boot mode that could launch the GUI installer using > directfb-gtk (is that still around anymore?) without loading all of X > and the entire desktop. > > -- > Michael R. Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://picasaweb.google.com/demiri.head.wedding > > Probably the best solution for every software is to make things smaller. Smaller codes compile and run faster, just as a nuclear reaction provides more power versus any kind of reaction, or an optimized XML, SVG and HTML get parsed much faster because of their smaller scale. If developers would start evaluating quantum effects on their software, we probably can run GNOME on a calculator! (metaphorically speaking) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Restricted tab-completion is annoying
On 10/11/07, Aaron C. de Bruyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Today a website generated a PDF file for me automatically and firefox > popped up and asked if I wanted to download it. I hit 'OK' and it saved ' > genpdf.asp' into my downloads folder. I was surprised to find bash > wouldn't tab-complete the filename. > > Apparently there is new (newer than dapper) bash completion code that > restricts completed files based on the initial part of the > command. (/etc/bash_completion) > > I think this sucks. I spend a lot of time at the bash prompt and use > tab-completion constantly. When you are in bash, I would expect you sorta > know what you are doing. > > One example of where I *will* have issues is if I upgrade my home media > server from Dapper to Gutsy. > It stores all the video from my camcorder, copies of all my CDs and DVDs, > pictures from digital cameras, etc... > Most of the files don't have an extension because file extensions are > sorta useless in Linux. > > If I upgrade to Gutsy it appears I won't be able to type in 'mplayer > StarTrek-Wrath' and have it fill in 'StarTrek-Wrath_of_Kahn'. > > > So I guess I have two questions > > * Why does the tab-completion code that restricts based on command-names > exist? What benefit does this restriction have to power users?? I don't see the point why filenames needs to be tab-completed on default, it does it when it's necessary. Filenames does tab-complete on certain tasks and applications, depending on what are you trying to accomplish? For example, certain applications that require an input needs to tab-complete a filename on it's parameters (i.e. rsync), and executable files like python, perl, ruby & bash scripts would need tab-completion to execute. If you really want to autocomplete your filenames, you might as well make your files executable, and lastly why do you think this is necessary? -- "object-oriented programming is really just a common sense extension of structured programming" - Roger Sessions -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Dec 13, 2007 1:58 AM, Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > F-Spot and gThumb are very similar in capabilities on local images. > > Though F-Spot's interface is a little cleaner. But the big difference > > comes in Web2.0 integration. GThumb has none, while F-Spot integrates > > with Flickr, Picasa, etc. Hands down, this is what end users expect, > > and it is gThumbs that needs to be eliminated. > > Users who want any of these applications can get them from the > repositories; just because you like the applications doesn't make them > good for inclusion by default. The argument seems to be that we should > sacrifice 60MB of CD space for a handful of extra features. The space > instead could be used to have many more user friendly features than > just nice sticky notes and Flicker intergration. > This is one of the reason why Linux in general only appeal to geeks, and why Windows is still the primary OS of choice for non-geeks. Tomboy and F-Spot are two most useful and innovative Linux applications in the desktop, removing them will give non-geeks no reason to switch to Linux. This move is headed in a backward direction, and will not provide any solution to solve bug #1, piracy, poor software quality and many other proprietary-model related problems. Mono, is a direct invitation for Microsoft Windows developers to jump in the Linux development scene, to provide more innovations, solutions and man-power. > > As for Tomboy vs GNOME sticky notes, this one is even more obvious. > > Sticky notes needs to go away. GNOME no longer considers it part of the > > base suite of packages, and has instead worked with Tomboy on tighter > > and tighter integration. Tomboy can fire links to open on your browser > > or Nautulus, fire alarms as reminders, and integrates with Evolution. > > Sticky notes does none of that. > > Notes are not a core application, I haven't the faintest idea why we > include any notes app at all. Some people may find them useful but > they can quite easily install this extra application. > > > I realize the original argument was about the size of Mono. And that is > > a legitimate argument. But lets also realize functionality and > > integration needs to be maximized in order to make this distro easy for > > the noobs it is aimed at. We already have a distro out there that makes > > sacrifices of number of packages over space... its called DSL. > > I think some of these arguments are a little biased; I feel like some > of the developers are championing Mono as a principle rather than on > technical merits. It's nice that they've invested all this time into > learning CLI; But we shouldn't let our ego's run away with us. Mono is > big, too big in fact to be reasonably included by default without > being biased. > > I'll be happy to see a small light weight notes and photo application > for inclusion. But at the moment these don't exist and we shouldn't be > looking for these tiny features when we could be including much better > things on the CD. > > Regards, Martin Owens > -- Computer Science Honours and Scholar Student Cisco Certified Network Associate Microsoft Certified Professional Mayers-Briggs Personality Type: INFP GTK+, C, Perl, Python, Ruby, XML, XMLHTTPRequest, XHTML, JavaScript, POSIX Bash (Dash) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
On Dec 13, 2007 4:27 AM, Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could you list some example of those things that would be nice there? > > Conduit, opensync, Glipper, firefox-adblock, > rar-free, more languages, obex, gnome parition editor, audacity, > gnomebaker, vim (real vim), PGP keys manager, open office draw, any > kind of irc program, keep backup 2, graphics tablet integrations, any > kind of webcam management software, cheese, devede, atlantik-gtk, > compiz manager, start up manager, Storage Manager, schedual, Dohickey. > It may be worth to you, but it's worthless for an average user who found F-Spot to be more useful to post his daughter's birthday photos in the Internet. Your application suggestions falls on the category of specific people, we are not all IT's, Computer Scientists. There are also writers, social workers, teachers, professors, psychologists, lawyers, counselors, etc. -- Computer Science Honours and Scholar Student Cisco Certified Network Associate Microsoft Certified Professional Mayers-Briggs Personality Type: INFP GTK+, C, Perl, Python, Ruby, XML, XMLHTTPRequest, XHTML, JavaScript, POSIX Bash (Dash) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Will PulseAudio be in Hardy? (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)
I think PulseAudio can save every user great amount of trouble regarding sound issues, and bad bad esd. I hope PulseAudio get included in Hardy as default. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Strawman: Change the Ubuntu Release Cycle
On 12/31/07, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a strawman, so feel free to rip it apart. > > While I generally like the current Ubuntu release cycle, I find it has a few > problems: > > Forcing LTS users to make do with software that is 2 or 3 major versions > out-of-date is just wrong. I understand that the focus is on stable software > rather than cutting-edge, but some of the stuff in 6.06 is just plain > obsolete, forcing people to upgrade to a non-LTS to get programs that do > what they need. At first, people will decide what version of Ubuntu they will use based on what they need, and many companies will mostly be comfortable with an LTS along with it's support benefits than a less documented bleeding edge release. I know someone who is still using Hoary because of the low system requirements and speed comparison to newer Ubuntu release, and many companies are still using Red Hat 9 or 7.3. Use cases varies that's why we still have an active 2.4 kernel development. > I find that the 6 months between major releases is just a touch too short > for the developers to make significant changes and do a proper test cycle. > Their are no 'service pack cds' meaning that any bug which makes it into the > final release stays there forever. This has led to what is basically a > never-ending early adopters penalty. > Here's my proposal. While it isn't perfect, I think it fixes the issues > mentioned above. > I agree at some point that 6 months is relatively short, I think sacrificing features over time is what most people dislike, but Freezes are a necessity in an open source software distribution. There's a need to constantly highlight deferred/prospective specs, that rigorously be reminded and discussed over time to ensure that those specs made tentative changes until such status be reached that they'll be good to go. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: New Programs for Hardy?
Will there be a chance for compose key be assigned and enabled by default? Since Ubuntu include and support many languages, I think it will be very useful to enable this feature as well, to make it easily available. Example usage are ñ (enye) for Piñata, é in Beyoncé, Café, José, Pérez and Pokémon. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hardy+1 Idea: GoboLinux Filesystem Hierarchy?
On Jan 10, 2008 3:42 AM, Conrad Knauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 9, 2008 5:15 AM, Guilherme Augusto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> http://www.gobolinux.org/?page=at_a_glance > > > > What would improve by using Gobolinux filesystem hierarchy? > > A little over a year ago SABDFL blogged on > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/66 > > --- > A long, long time ago, packaging was an exciting idea. [...] Today, > these differences are just a hindrance. The fact that there are so > many divergent packaging systems in the free software world (and I > include the various *bsd's) is a waste of time and energy. [...] I'd > like to see us define distribution-neutral packaging that suits both > the source-heads and the distro-heads. > --- > > The GLFH sounds like a good way to create a standard package format > that can be easily layered over any *nix OS... > > > On the other hand, if someone already uses Linux, he probably got used > > with the "normal" filesystem hierarchy. If it is someone's first time, > > wouldn't it be confused to have a filesystem in a way and every Forum, HOWTO > > and other help docs over the net telling how to do things with another > > filesystem hierarchy? > > "the Unix paths [...] are actually there, but they are concealed from > view using the GoboHide kernel extension. This is for aesthetic > purposes only and purely optional" IOW, the old way of doing things > should still work. > If you look at the Mac filesystem, you'll see some of the familiar *unix* paths, but you won't see them in Finder. While GoboHide provides a hidden filesystem on both file managers and shells, it's not practical to impliment than just using .hidden files for Nautilus. The same effect can be attainable, without loading any kernel extensions. I think whoever needs a hidden filesystems are the Nautilus, Dolphin, etc. users. [see http://joelbryanonsoftware.blogspot.com/2007/03/file-system-preferences.html] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Proposal: include Brasero by default
On Jan 6, 2008 11:16 PM, Wouter Stomp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > I would like to propose including Brasero in the default Ubuntu > installation. Brasero is an application to burn CD/DVD's for the Gnome > Desktop. It is designed to be as simple as possible and has some > unique features to enable users to create their discs easily and > quickly. Brasero is actively being developed and is maintained in > Ubuntu by one of its developers, Luis Medinas. > > Currently Ubuntu relies on nautilus-cd-burner and serpentine for > cd/dvd burning. Both are nice and simple programs, but both N-c-b and > serpentine have several limitations that Brasero does not have which > are listed below: > > Nautilus cd burner: > - Lack of multisession support! > - Does not inhibit Gnome Power Manager from suspending while burning > - Doesn't do on the fly burning (dvd to dvd or disk to dvd), severly > limiting burning possibilities when low on disk space (a situation in > which you might want to move files to cd/dvd) > - Does not show the amount of space left > - Does not show the progress while burning > - Has no option to verify burned cd > - Can't copy/write video DVDs > - Has no option to erase cdrw's withouth burning new content to them > > Serpentine: > - Doesn't do on the fly writing (mp3/ogg to wav conversion) > - Doesn't detect the size of the inserted disc > - Has several open bugs on program crashes, both on launchpad and in > gnome bugzilla > - Lacks audio track preview > - Doesn't support cue files > > Additionally, Brasero has features such as automatic filtering for > unwanted files, beagle file search (tracker support planned) and > saving/loading of projects, allowing them to be burned later. > > It would be good to provide users one common interface to burn cd's. > Brasero is already in the main repository and installed and tested by > many users, so it should not be a problem to include it on the cd. Of > the other distro's, opensuse already ships it. Therefore, I would like > to propose including it by default in Hardy. > > Cheers, > > Wouter > Hi, I think there's a great need to inform that Ubuntu champions time-based release methodology than feature-based releases, where features are studied, tested, and if it's not good enough means deffered for 6 months or so. If burning files is much concerned, using Nautilus CD Burner is the easiest way for both advanced and new users. To clear up some preconceptions, Nautilus: 1. does asks the user to blank non-empty CD-RW & DVD-RW's upon writing. 2. burns CUE files via right-clicking it and choosing "Write to Disk". I think any other features is a niche, and/or can be done manually. If there's any other burning application that needs to be included, that is a "Disk Utility" like application from Mac. Cheers, Joel Juliano -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
