Re: [Torios] JWM Config Update

2014-06-24 Thread Nio Wiklund
Hi
I am travelling, can read but not really contribute during this week. It is
nice to read about your progress
best regards
nio

måndag 23 juni 2014 skrev Israel :
> Just to keep the list up-to-date
> here is a screen shot of the config program running on JWM
>
>
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BncYS_d8rS4/U6iWIp-IbGI/AOE/1CF8InCz53M/w1293-h808-no/screenie.png
>
> A lot of stuff works, there is a decent chunk that doesn't, but I am
> over the hump.  So we REALLY REALLY need to decide some default stuff now.
>
> Default theme?  It will be this theme unless someone has a better idea,
> or people want to vote on themes.
> I will be including other themes by the time I am done, so someone can
> easily change to a different theme... though manually editing everything
> will (eventually) be possible.
>
> Default Icon theme?  It will need to have icons for ALL the apps we use,
> and will have to be in PNG format (unless one of the devs wants to re
> upload JWM in Ubuntu, compiled with SVG support... which it CAN have) We
> can convert a theme like Box to be all PNG icons, and use it.
>
> Default wallpaper?  Should we have a wallpaper contest soon?
>
> And, finally we need to re-do the menu script, as the current one only
> parses menu files, not desktop files.  There are other things we can do
> to work around this problem, like using a secondary menu program...
> though we'd need to test it... but technically you can run any program
> from a button, even scripts, or whatever.  It is how I added 'New Empty
> Document' item to the desktop menu
> it runs
> touch  ~/Desktop/Untitled_$(date -I)
> though... I need to change the date command to use the time in minutes
> also... so multiple files can be created per day, and not overwrite
> anything...
>
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Re: [Torios] JWM Config Update

2014-06-24 Thread Israel
Thanks!
Still a bit of work ahead of me... but It is getting there!

On 06/24/2014 02:41 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Hi
> I am travelling, can read but not really contribute during this week.
> It is nice to read about your progress
> best regards
> nio
>


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[Torios] message board woes

2014-06-24 Thread william
Since the message board got hacked to pieces, I have temporarily  
removed it until I can re-implement it with better security. One thing  
that will be necessary is for three or four people to step up as  
moderators to keep an eye on things. Also, I noticed that it went  
unused for a long time, are you guys planning on using it internally  
for discussion, or for interaction with end users in which case google  
plus may suffice. Basically, do you really need it at all?


William


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[Torios] More JWM testing...

2014-06-24 Thread Israel
We need a way to change the GTK theme of applications (since most are GTK)
I propose gtk-chtheme
It is simple and works well.
We will of course need a default GTK theme at some point as well

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Re: [Torios] More JWM testing...

2014-06-24 Thread Joern
Maybe we should concentrate on non-GTK apps. GTK is nearly dead for 
non-Gnome-Shell related stuff. Even Audacious is now switching to Qt. GTK 
breaks nearly everything every few months including themes, Gnome Shell addons 
and behaviour like Client side decorations. 

Am 24.06.2014 um 23:10 schrieb Israel :

> We need a way to change the GTK theme of applications (since most are GTK)
> I propose gtk-chtheme
> It is simple and works well.
> We will of course need a default GTK theme at some point as well
> 
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Re: [Torios] More JWM testing...

2014-06-24 Thread Israel
On 06/24/2014 04:49 PM, Joern wrote:
> Maybe we should concentrate on non-GTK apps. GTK is nearly dead for 
> non-Gnome-Shell related stuff. Even Audacious is now switching to Qt. GTK 
> breaks nearly everything every few months including themes, Gnome Shell 
> addons and behaviour like Client side decorations. 
>
> Am 24.06.2014 um 23:10 schrieb Israel :
>
>> We need a way to change the GTK theme of applications (since most are GTK)
>> I propose gtk-chtheme
>> It is simple and works well.
>> We will of course need a default GTK theme at some point as well
>>
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Well, we will have to support GTK themes as well as Qt.
Audacious might be going to Qt... but for now they are going back to GTK2
http://www.webupd8.org/2014/06/audacious-going-back-to-gtk2-starting.html

I agree that Gnome is breaking compatibility with each new GTK release. 
GTK4 is coming and not everything has been ported to GTK3.  There are a
lot of things developers are doing in the GNU/Linux sphere that are
making users and developers uneasy... however we still need a GTK theme
for GTK apps.  The default 'no theme' looks like Windows 3.1.  I have
been testing JWM, and it was a glaring defect I noticed.  There is a
library that themes Qt apps to use the same theme as GTK apps (more or
less).  So choosing a GTK theme to use is a reasonable choice.  XFCE is
GTK2, LXDE is GTK2 (until LXQt becomes the standard), Gnome is GTK+
Ubuntu is still GTK (for now).
Many apps use the Gimp ToolKit.  My settings app is FLTK, it uses
neither, and will look the same on any DE (unless the global FLTK
settings are changed).

Qt is nice, and can be lightweight (Qupzilla is an amazingly fast
browser even on old machines.. which is something we might consider
using)... but we still need GTK apps to look decent either way.

 

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