[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Dave,
Very good descriptions both of them. That is exactly so - and the reason I 
need a pause sometimes, to sort out my drives. 
It is kind of comforting to read your post, I just thought I was 
messy..LOL.

A pause never last for long - too afraid of missing out.


Birthe


lørdag den 8. maj 2021 kl. 16.43.05 UTC+2 skrev David Gifford:

> A free, one-file cross-platform tool that can be used offline or online, 
> for 
> a) capturing your content in chunks, 
> b) connecting, combining and organizing the chunks, and 
> c) retrieving, exporting, sharing and publishing your content,
> all in an incredibly customizable user interface 
> and supported by a wide selection of plugin 
> and a friendly open source community.
>
> Other description
>
> An addictive tool, 
> that needs other tools and knowledge just to start saving changes and 
> using it,
> whose infinite customizability will cause you spend more time tweaking it 
> than using it,
> and whose fragmentary and incomprehensible documentation will leave you 
> pounding your desk
> and confusing things like tags, tag, tagging, untagged, list, listing, 
> listed, list-before, list-after, list-behind, list-through,
> filter:"[[ and filter="[[, , 
> and $this$, <>, \define this(this), [has:this[]], [get:this[]], 
> [forget:this[]] and [all[current]this[]]
> TiddlyWiki will leave you with a long trail of files strewn across your 
> hard drive,
> each containing tweaks you experimented with to design the 'perfect' 
> system, better than the last,
> and notes you will need later but can't find because of the sheer number 
> of files you started but abandoned 
> because the next day someone announced a new plugin.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>
>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>> content of the web page it IS.
>>
>> *How would you describe it?*
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder

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I also realised the problem with volant as I tried to use 
http://j.d.volantis.tiddlyspot.com/, Looking at the plugin I see 
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate 
and $:/core/ui/EditTemplate. I think the problem could be changes to those 
templates in the core in later releases of TW?


Birthe

fredag den 28. maj 2021 kl. 05.27.24 UTC+2 skrev iamdar...@gmail.com:

> Unfortunately it looks like Volant (at least) doesn't play well with the 
> most up-to-date TiddlyWiki. For whatever reason that plugin breaks the 
> edit/new tiddler so that bottom fields can't be utilized and you can't 
> dismiss, delete or save the Tiddler.
>
> I'm still new to the inner workings of TiddlyWiki, though I'm familiar 
> with HTML and CSS so perhaps I can find a way to fix the plugin. 
>
> Unfortunately that means we have hit a small dead end for the time being. 
> I'll still keep updates coming though.
>
> Thanks again everyone!
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 11:11:30 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much! Appreciate it!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 10:52:06 PM UTC-4 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/ma4d69/tiddlymap_in_storyriver_instead_of_the_sidebar/
>>>
>>>
>>> If you open the tiddlymap in story river as told in this Reddit thread, 
>>> it might work in mobile also 
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 8:06 AM Darth Mole  wrote:
>>>
 Thank you very much! I didn't realize there were two different 
 "projects" for Stroll. I'll have to go back and piece together 
 TiddlyWorldBuilder with the updated files soon. Thanks again!

 On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 4:37:54 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just a heads up that the file at  
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/stories.html is horribly out of 
> date and not the official link for Stroll.  Instead I believe you want: 
> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>
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Re: [tw5] Navigation Pattern Tiddly Wiki Sample

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Ton Gerners Tiddlersbar plugin 
 is 
shown in the latest version. Ton Gerner has many wikis and always 
explaining very well how to do. So much to learn from them.

You will find many links to interesting but older plugins. Some works with 
the latest version - some not. Just drag and drop the plugin to your own 
wiki and test if it works. If it doesn't - you can try to ask the original 
author.


On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:37:38 AM UTC+2 Java Development wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Thank you so much for the links...How to convert all of these to latest 
> tiddly wiki version. Can you please convert them and share me the link if 
> that would be easy?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:20 AM David Gifford  wrote:
>
>> Hi Java
>>
>> Here is a link to several "breadcrumb" plugins. Try those first. 
>> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=KCURrGnrBRPp0Ff8Vi7aKvWw
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:41:56 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:
>>
>>> #1 - Search Bar on top to search for any keyword inside the content
>>> #2 - Yes various categories ..Not a drop down...On click - it goes to 
>>> the next level - multi-level - sub-level cateagories - finally content will 
>>> be rendered
>>> #3 - All the categories are non-collapsable menu - fixed 
>>> #4 - This pattern is useful assume
>>>
>>> Assume - A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 
>>> chapters in each sub-section -> Each Chapter would have 30 paragraphs -> 
>>> Text would be rendered at last
>>>
>>> Assume A Single book has 2 main section -> 10 sub-sections -> 10 
>>> chapters in each sub-section -> Text would be rendered on clicking the 
>>> chapters if there are no paragrapahs
>>>
>>> Like breadcrum model - faster and easy navigation..
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:04 PM David Gifford  wrote:
>>>
 By "navigation pattern", do you mean the bar near the top of that page 
 that has Categories, Home, etc? Or are you specifically thinking of the 
 Dropdown menu for Categories? Or do you want the search bar above a top 
 menu? Or is there something you want from the card/entry, like the reviews 
 or the install button? Like I said when you wrote me by email, and as 
 others have said here already, you need to be more specific in what you 
 want to do. 

 On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 6:40:54 AM UTC-5 Java Development wrote:

> Hi TW Jones,
>
> I'm referring to the link 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=message.qna where you 
> can see the navigation and looking for a similar pattern in tiddly wiki.
>
> Tiddlywiki - We need to see how we can show up the whole page with the 
> navigation pattern. 
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:36 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> javaDev,
>>
>> I think your question is still too abstract or unclear for us to help.
>>
>> Arguably TiddlyWiki is all About navigating your content contained in 
>> your tiddlers. 
>>
>> We know so many ways and I expect can "emulate any other way of 
>> navigating content" within tiddlywiki, the question you ask seems 
>> incomplete.
>>
>> Are you actually referring to the links? eg;  ?id=message.of.the.hour
>>
>> If so this is simple to reproduce with tiddlywiki.
>>
>> tones
>>
>> On Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 06:45:27 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:
>>
>>> May be navigation would be a different meaning...As you said kind of 
>>> a catalog tiddly wiki to categorize and accessing collection of articles
>>>
>>> But not like a tree view but like a navigation view...
>>>
>>> Tiddly wiki is very faster and all can be done in one 
>>> htmlHowever all the above apps are just uses the webui...Internally 
>>> the 
>>> APK inside they have only HTML files with one index file refers to 
>>> several 
>>> index files.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for several navigation as like in the html or in the app 
>>> for easy reading, search and navigate. Something similar or near to it 
>>> in 
>>> Tiddly wiki would be awesome...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 1:01 AM Eric Shulman  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 11:44:16 AM UTC-7 Java Development 
 wrote:

> Does anyone have any suggestions on this?
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:00 AM Java Development <
> javadeve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did any one know or come across any tiddly wiki template which 
>> follows the *navigation pattern*? 
>> I need your kind suggestion on it. I thought of creating a tiddly 
>> wiki with *navigation pattern* with all the articles in ONE 
>> HTML...
>> But not sure how to create one like any one of the below..it 
>>>

[tw5] Re: Box Layout Tiddly Wiki

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>From the screenshot - Look at Tiddler Saving 


open it for edit, you will find that it is using tiddler 
tw5.come-card-template 

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 3:10:40 AM UTC+2 Java Development wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have around 12 initial menus which needs to be presented as BOX layout. 
> On clicking the layout it goes to the sub-category and category and finally 
> the result
>
>
> https://www.linuxhowto.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Screenshot-from-2020-07-27-21-11-17.png
>
> How to display the front page with Box Layout? Any good theme is available.
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

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We had a similar problem earlier, discussed here 
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rXzdNBF7Ozg/m/uxNOfqY-AwAJ

I am using linux mint myself and start tiddlydesktop from an icon 
(programstarter) on my desktop. The first time I start it, it takes quite 
some time.


Birthe

On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:22:35 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:

> I've tried following the guide but I'm still having trouble with the 
> installation. I think that the trouble is with the following step I've 
> written below, that makes the nw file executable:
>
> In the TiddlyDesktop folder, update the file permissions of the 
> Linux TiddlyDesktop Linux executable.
> sudo chmod +x nw
>
> When I follow through with the following step, which is:
>
> Finally, start up the TiddlyDesktop executable application up on 
> your Linux PC.
> ./nw 
>
> I get this message in the terminal:
>
>./nw: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.5: cannot 
> open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:37:43 AM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello and welcome!
>>
>> 2 things:
>>
>> 1) There is a known bug when trying to create a new TiddlyWiki file from 
>> within TiddlyDesktop. 
>> 2) Follow the steps outlined in the below link, including the downloading 
>> and renaming of the HTML file, and you should be good :) You can download 
>> the zip file via the browser initially if you want/it is easier. Still use 
>> the terminal for the other steps though. 
>>
>> https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/get-tiddlywiki-on-linux/
>>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:13:38 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> I've just transitioned to Linux so I'm still a noob at figuring out even 
>>> the basics. If I understood the installation instructions properly, I am to 
>>> unzip the file after downloading it, and then run /nw
>>>
>>> That didn't work, so tried to get it to launch by using the terminal. I 
>>> navigated to the TiddlyDesktop file, and then wrote ./nw and that launched 
>>> the program. Unfortunately the program isn't running as intended. When I 
>>> ran the command in the terminal this error message appeared on the terminal:
>>> https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf
>>>
>>> Also the program itself isn't working properly. As soon as I click on 
>>> create new wiki I get this page, which I'm unable to close by clicking on 
>>> the exit button on the top right corner
>>> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X
>>>
>>> I have to use the system monitor to manually shut down the nw file in 
>>> order to exit this file.
>>>
>>> If anyone can help me with this I'd be very grateful.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWorldBuilder vs TiddlyRoam

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I think it might be better to ask in a new thread - about the stories 
plugin created by Saq.  Maybe explain a little about the benefit you expect 
from the changed layout.
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 3:18:28 AM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello David and thank you for your replies above! I didn't realize I 
> didn't reply to this one before so I'm sorry for the delay! The information 
> you and the others of this group have provided has been amazing and very 
> much appreciated!
>
> One follow-up question about Stroll:
>
> How hard would it be to change the two vertical column layout to a two 
> horizontal row layout instead?
>
> So  as an example instead of 
>
> col1 col2 as it is now it would be
>
> row1
> row2 
>
> Would it be something you would be willing to do? Even if it comes down to 
> reimbursing you for your time in modifying the code in Stroll I would be 
> very much open to it.
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:23:40 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> There is no right answer, there is only the way that feels right to you 
>> and gives you a fast, non-tedious, enjoyable workflow based on how your 
>> mind works, which may be different from mine. The more you experiment, the 
>> more options you will find.
>>
>> The "usual" way in TiddlyWiki is tagging a tiddler with its parent topics 
>> or categories. So City A might be tagged "Cities" and "Country A". Then you 
>> write your definition and description and if you see potential links, you 
>> turn them into actual links, or use a tool like Freelinks to have them be 
>> links without them being links. Remember that Freelinks are not 
>> bi-directional. So if you mention City A in tiddler of Country A, the 
>> reference to City A will show as a link. But in the City A tiddler, nothing 
>> will change, so there will be no reference to Country A.
>>
>> I don't tend to write link-rich Wikipedia types of tiddlers, so I can't 
>> help you too much there. My current system for notetaking from reading is: 
>> Create a tiddler for the book or source. Paste the title into a "currently 
>> reading" window. Read. Take a note in the relevant topic. Use an editor 
>> toolbar button to paste the currently reading tiddler as the source of the 
>> note. Add page number. Read and repeat. Fantastic workflow for that. But 
>> you may be doing something else that requires something totally different.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and providing so much 
>>> feedback! It has been very helpful.
>>>
>>> If I may ask two follow-up questions:
>>>
>>> 1)  I do seem to be driving for a Wikipedia level of thoroughness 
>>> regarding the content, at least with this world building concept. At the 
>>> same time I'm still having trouble finding a way to collect my thoughts on 
>>> other topics in general. Do you feel it is safe to say that if I'm taking 
>>> the hitting the content with a Wikipedia level of thoroughness then I, as 
>>> you pointed out, am already doing the organization/relationship building 
>>> *manually*? If yes, is there a "better" (or more simplistic) way where 
>>> I utilize the tools in Stroll (or even Drift) to make it more automated? Or 
>>> is the effort I'm putting in just a requirement of the wikipedia level of 
>>> content?
>>>
>>> 2) Using my original example of tiddlers another method I could use 
>>> would be instead of adding the link back to the Country tiddler inside the 
>>> City tiddler description, just leave the single link at the top when you 
>>> created it from the Country tiddler and then keep typing. In that case it 
>>> is just a preference of how you want to do the link back?
>>>
>>> Also, again thank you very much for mentioning Drift. While I'm still 
>>> looking into it, and I think I came across it before though I didn't 
>>> understand it fully the first time around, from what I understand now of 
>>> "Freelinks" it might be the answer I'm looking for regarding trying to 
>>> write down as much as possible, regardless of content and topic, and have 
>>> it grouped together by keywords. It could also beneficial when I once again 
>>> combine my world tiddly with my book tiddly so as I write things in the 
>>> book I can reference it later on the appropriate/associated/specific 
>>> tiddler with Freelinks turned on.
>>>
>>> Not to sound redundant but thank you again!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:46:42 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 Hi iamdar...

 TiddlyWiki always had bidirectional linking. If you create a link in 
 tiddler A to tiddler B, you could go to tiddler B, open "info" from the 
 tiddler more menu, and see tiddler A under backlinks. So obviously, 
 backlinking was pretty hidden and not very practical. Too many steps to 
 get 
 to it.

 Roam Research made bidirectional linking more visible. All the 
 references are at the bottom of each

[tw5] Re: IT'S ALL WRONG, especially documents, says Ted in 2011

[strikke...@gmail.com]

TT,

For a long time I was very interested in Nelson's Project Xanadu but it 
didn't really fruit.

In danish we have a saying, "En fugl i hånden er bedre end ti på taget."
I think you say: "a bird *in* the hand is worth two *in* the bush". But 
I find the danish better.ti på taget= ten on the roof.

Birthe

On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 12:33:16 PM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> cj.v ... I often think: "I'm not sure what his problem is, but I'm sure it 
> is hard to spell."
>
> Yeah!
>
> Ted Nelson was/is very interesting. Why? Because he is passionate about 
> the cognizance of how the human brain is not hard coded, it is organic 
> flexibility.
> The human knows more than the computer and  can immediately grasp and use 
> newness. Computers are quite a blunt tool really.
> It is an on-going saga how the internet, especially HTML, is driving in a 
> direction that is not the wet-ware we are.
>
> For a long time I was very interested in Nelson's Project Xanadu  
> but it didn't really fruit.
> Nelson,  I think, points towards the importance of information design. 
> And that representation of information matters a lot. 
> HTML has limits that are actually quite restrictive. For instance, the 
> "list" construct is very crude. Descendant hierarchies are fine, but it is 
> all so binary if you can't go "wet" when you need to.
>
> Rambling
> TT
> On Sunday, 6 June 2021 at 17:48:15 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just in case this is of any interest for a coffee break:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0UN-gXBZE
>>
>> I do find Ted Nelson eccentric.
>>
>> I often think: "I'm not sure what his problem is, but I'm sure it is hard 
>> to spell."
>>
>> I always enjoy listening to him.  I always find what he has to say 
>> fantastic.
>>
>> Whenever he says something, it gives me new insights into sometimes 
>> unrelated things, but usually things that have me thinking about how I 
>> organize stuff in TiddlyWiki, or how TiddlyWiki handles things so well
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

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;>> With everything closed I would run the following command in your 
>>>>>> terminal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $sudo apt install libgconf2-4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it asks to install listed package with a y/n type Y and then enter 
>>>>>> to continue the install. Depending on how that goes, restart your 
>>>>>> machine 
>>>>>> and then try the ./nw launch again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've followed the link and it doesn't seem to be the same issue. 
>>>>>>> Although both problems pertain to the nw file, I can still launch 
>>>>>>> TiddlyDesktop through ./nw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My problem's with getting the application to work. I can create a 
>>>>>>> new wiki, but I can't get the wiki to open up using TiddlyDesktop.
>>>>>>> If I navigate to the place where I've saved the TW file then I can 
>>>>>>> use Firefox to open up the tiddlywiki file, but I'm trying to run TW 
>>>>>>> through TiddlyDesktop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I open up a wiki file using TiddlyDesktop this is what I get:
>>>>>>> https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I can't close that file! Not even closing TiddlyDesktop gets the 
>>>>>>> file with random date (https://imgur.com/a/1wiCj5X) to close. The 
>>>>>>> only way to close it is to close the terminal from which I launched ./nw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I forgot to mention: This is the message I get when I launch ./nw 
>>>>>>> and TiddlyDesktop does open:
>>>>>>> ~/TiddlyDesktop$ ./nw
>>>>>>> [6521:6521:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] 
>>>>>>> InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The above error message that displays in the terminal can be visible 
>>>>>>> here, above the TiddlyDesktop App ( https://imgur.com/a/xnHStTf)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 4:23 PM strikke...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>> strikke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We had a similar problem earlier, discussed here 
>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rXzdNBF7Ozg/m/uxNOfqY-AwAJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am using linux mint myself and start tiddlydesktop from an icon 
>>>>>>>> (programstarter) on my desktop. The first time I start it, it takes 
>>>>>>>> quite 
>>>>>>>> some time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Birthe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 8:22:35 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've tried following the guide but I'm still having trouble with 
>>>>>>>>> the installation. I think that the trouble is with the following step 
>>>>>>>>> I've 
>>>>>>>>> written below, that makes the nw file executable:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the TiddlyDesktop folder, update the file permissions 
>>>>>>>>> of the Linux TiddlyDesktop Linux executable.
>>>>>>>>> sudo chmod +x nw
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I follow through with the following step, which is:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Finally, start up the TiddlyDesktop executable application 
>>>>>>>>> up on your Linux PC.
>>>>>>>>> ./nw 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I get this message in the terminal:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>./nw: error while loading shared libraries: 
>>>>>>>>> libgconf-2.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
>>&g

[tw5] Re: Presenting GG2TW Beta, a method to convert Google Groups Conversations to TW JSON Tids

[strikke...@gmail.com]

I did get 90/90 conversations - it really did not take that long.I exported 
the json and tried to drag and drop it into my tiddlywiki. It worked - but 
totally unreadable.

Still it is exciting news. What a good idea you had.

Birthe
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:37:35 PM UTC+2 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Strange, it works for me. I added a loading message telling of how many 
> conversations were successfully loaded. If it stays at 0/90, then it is 
> truly an issue. Possibly it was just taking a long time (takes around a 
> minute generally to fully finish, I find.) Let me know if it helps you! 
>
> *Another idea could be to clear history, cookies, etc. for all time, and 
> try again. If this works, it is an issue with the CORS proxy API I am 
> using. *
>
> To address Mat, yes, it does scrape the GG FIRST page (1-90 conversations, 
> but some repeats). The output is an array of valid JSON data, which is 
> recognized by TW as JSON tiddlers, and TW will then import them (drag and 
> drop works best).
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:42:35 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao flanc...
>>
>> The idea sounds neat! Unfortunately nothing happens for me :-(. I get 
>> this but no results appear on click ... :-( ...
>>
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2021-06-13 194045.jpg]
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting GG2TW Beta, a method to convert Google Groups Conversations to TW JSON Tids

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Random chars as you also found. But that was not the only thing. 90 of 90 
conversations ended up in 28 imported tiddlers. 

The good news is that it kind of worked - as I am using a low end 12 year 
old laptop with 8 gb ram.

Birthe
On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 2:39:23 AM UTC+2 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Huh. Mine always glitches-out before TW successfully imports, so I've 
> never seen the actual output in TW. I'd always assumed it would have no 
> issues, since I've run the code through various JSON-checking sites, and it 
> has been labeled valid. Were the words legible with just random chars in 
> between, or was it just a jumble?
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:36:17 PM UTC-4 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I did get 90/90 conversations - it really did not take that long.I 
>> exported the json and tried to drag and drop it into my tiddlywiki. It 
>> worked - but totally unreadable.
>>
>> Still it is exciting news. What a good idea you had.
>>
>> Birthe
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:37:35 PM UTC+2 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Strange, it works for me. I added a loading message telling of how many 
>>> conversations were successfully loaded. If it stays at 0/90, then it is 
>>> truly an issue. Possibly it was just taking a long time (takes around a 
>>> minute generally to fully finish, I find.) Let me know if it helps you! 
>>>
>>> *Another idea could be to clear history, cookies, etc. for all time, and 
>>> try again. If this works, it is an issue with the CORS proxy API I am 
>>> using. *
>>>
>>> To address Mat, yes, it does scrape the GG FIRST page (1-90 
>>> conversations, but some repeats). The output is an array of valid JSON 
>>> data, which is recognized by TW as JSON tiddlers, and TW will then import 
>>> them (drag and drop works best).
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:42:35 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ciao flanc...
>>>>
>>>> The idea sounds neat! Unfortunately nothing happens for me :-(. I get 
>>>> this but no results appear on click ... :-( ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screenshot 2021-06-13 194045.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> TT
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Unable to run TiddlyDesktop on Linux

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Timimi is an extension for the browser and an added part to download and 
set up - and then of course in the extension settings in you browser, you 
set up the backup part. What it does is saving and creating backup. 

You can use your tiddlywiki as you please with the addons you would like.

Beaker Browser is absolutely interesting. I tried it for a short time - and 
it for sure is different. I stopped using it for now, finding it a little 
much with yet another browser just to use my tiddlywiki.
I don't think we have discussed Beaker Browser much since a much earlier 
version.

Birthe

On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 10:01:08 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:

> Do either Beaker Browser or Timimi allow for TW addons such as TiddlyGraph?
>
> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-4 Em Heppler wrote:
>
>> I have found Beaker Browser works really well on Linux/Ubuntu for 
>> tiddlywiki.
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520on%2520Beaker%2520Browser.html
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 2:57:32 PM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>
>>> Birthe, I'll be looking at this solution as it may be exactly what I 
>>> need in place of TiddlyDesktop. Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 4:33 AM strikke...@gmail.com <
>>> strikke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe it is time to stop using TiddlyDesktop for now. It seems there 
>>>> are some problems with this version of it. Wait for a new version if you 
>>>> still want Tiddlydesktop.
>>>>
>>>> Download empty tiddlywiki from Tiddlywiki.com and use a saver. I love 
>>>> Timimi by Riz. It is kind of a fairy godmother - save and creates backups.
>>>> It is all about setting it up right. Luckily Riz explains everything 
>>>> here: https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/
>>>> I love using Tiddlywiki in the browser. Easy to make notes from stuff I 
>>>> read, saving linksand best - to drag and drop plugins and other things 
>>>> from the Tiddlywikis other people show us.
>>>>
>>>> I have one of my tiddlywikies pinned in the browser - and thus always 
>>>> ready. This one is used for tips and tricks tested and written in my own 
>>>> language Danish. (After many years this is really the one TW5 I am using 
>>>> all the time). That is due to the fact, that to create it I must have 
>>>> understood something at the time of creating.
>>>>
>>>> Also by now I have far more tiddlywikis than I would want to have 
>>>> listed in Tiddlydesktop. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I really hope you get to enjoy the tiddlywiki experience soon,
>>>>
>>>> Birthe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:45:11 PM UTC+2 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I'm still getting the same error message: 
>>>>>
>>>>> [9629:9629:0603/160810.303573:ERROR:sandbox.cc(376)] 
>>>>> InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I figured that I can still edit the html files after creating them by 
>>>>> opening the file manually (not using TiddlyDesktop)
>>>>>
>>>>> I can use TiddlyDesktop to create the new HTML files, then shut down 
>>>>> TD by exiting the terminal, and then editing teh html file by clicking on 
>>>>> the file where it's stored.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering, besides making saving files a breeze and managing 
>>>>> backups, are there any other benefits to TiddlyDesktop? The error I'm 
>>>>> having just stops me
>>>>> from using TD to open/manage the files. I think can deal with having 
>>>>> to manually back up the files.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has any questions regarding this problem I'd be happy to 
>>>>> answer. Or any possible solutions. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for continuing to look into this, I appreciate any help I can 
>>>>> get because I'd like to use TiddlyWiki for work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 11:30:25 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is still giving the same exact error as before?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 2:08:32 AM UTC-4 LinuxNoob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok

[tw5] Re: 10 Years of TiddlyWiki Development in 7 Minutes

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Absolutely beautiful. Looking like an awful lot of work - constantly more 
and  really all over the place. At the same time it is fitting for a 
celebration - kind of look like firework.
Love it.
Now we all know, why we love tiddlywiki so much.

Thanks to Jeremy and all developers.   

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 8:32:16 PM UTC+2 PMario wrote:

>
> 10 Years of TiddlyWiki Development in 7 Minutes 
>  
>
> have fun!
> mario
>

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[tw5] Re: display TOC + field

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Try this. Import the attached file to your tiddlywiki. Hope it works for 
you.

Birthe

On Saturday, August 7, 2021 at 6:51:12 PM UTC+2 S² wrote:

> Any ideas?
> Stefan
>
> S² schrieb am Dienstag, 3. August 2021 um 15:38:05 UTC+2:
>
>> Hello Tones,
>>
>> thanks for feedback.
>> I adress a different issue:
>>
>> Creating a new Tiddler with a custom field 'published':
>> [image: published.png]
>>
>> --> should display in TOC like
>>
>> [image: TOC.png]
>>
>> Thanks
>> Stefan
>> TW Tones schrieb am Dienstag, 3. August 2021 um 14:21:05 UTC+2:
>>
>>> You will need to look inside the toc macros or the documentation 
>>>  to see if there 
>>> are parameters you can use. If you use the internal and external nave the 
>>> selected tiddler is displayed in a panel to the right, you could customise 
>>> the template in use to display your fields.
>>>
>>> Otherwise you could build your own TOC macro(s) whose output includes 
>>> the fields formatted as desired.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 20:57:44 UTC+10 S² wrote:
>>>
 Hello Forum,

 I use for each tiddler a field 'published' which will be filled with a 
 custom date.

 How can this field be additional shown in TOC in green color?







 *<$scrollable class='tc-scrollable-demo' class="tc-table-of-contents"><>>> 'sortan[]' 
 >>*

 Thanks
 Stefan

>>>

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Alttoc.json
Description: application/json

Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

[strikke...@gmail.com]

fred,

Thank you so much for your streams-fusion plugin. Just what I wished for - 
do not know why it took me so long ;-) to find it.
With lots of notes using streams it will be needed at times. it worked well 
in my wiki.

Birthe

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 5:57:27 PM UTC+2 fred@gmail.com wrote:

> @walt  please give 0.0.7-beta a try; apologies for the poor release 
> quality: http://fastfreddy.gitlab.io/streams-fusion/
>
> @tones to answer your earlier question; the button display logic is 
> provided by Saq (in response to Jan initially I think) in this tiddler 
> $:/plugins/sq/streams/nodes-list-template using this snippet
>
> <$list filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/streams/root-buttons]]" 
> variable="btnTiddler">
> 
> <$transclude tiddler=<>/>
> 
> 
>
> my $:/plugins/phiv/streams-fusion/fuse-button button has the 
> $:/tags/streams/root-buttons; please note the snippet above is only 
> displayed on a stream root node.
>
> Were you able to try an import on a plain Streams-enabled notebook?
>
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 10:47, Frédéric Demers  wrote:
>
>> @walt; that is an oversight. I clearly didn't test well enough. I'll try 
>> to fix ASAP.
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 at 10:37, ludwa6  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey @fred: That's a significant upgrade, in terms of functionality and 
>>> polish -all good, except: 
>>>
>>> I seem to have lost the nifty functionality that came with v0.0.3-beta, 
>>> which was handling cleanup of superflous node tiddlers so nicely as part of 
>>> fuse process. 
>>>
>>> Unfortunately: i can't say for sure if this is directly attributed to 
>>> v0.0.6-beta upgrade, because -prior to upgrade- i took the step of deleting 
>>> those 5 tiddlers related to the streams-to-text addon 
>>> . Was that a mistake i wonder?
>>>
>>> Anyway Fred: would love to have that lost cleanup function back, if 
>>> there's anything you can do for me - much obliged!
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 12:56:53 PM UTC+1 fred@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 Greetings everyone, version 0.0.6-beta of Streams-fusion 
  is out. It's quite a 
 bit more flexible and can output raw HTML and/or directly to clipboard. 
 Quick settings available directly from the popup menu (more settings at 
 the 
 bottom of the Streams settings screen, including a fused stream name 
 template option).

 Be careful with the "overwrite stream" option. It seems to work well 
 in full trees or in branches (via node context menu), but nonetheless, 
 backups are recommended

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[tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Charlie,
I do not understand either. I find pretty links nice, but I also find it 
handy to be able to hover them and see where the link in fact are going to. 
Not all pretty things turns out to be gold. Luckily that is how it works 
;-). Not Yuch, handy.

Birthe

On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 8:15:19 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> *"Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
> Yuck!"*
>
> Thanks, but I still don't understand where The Islander was going with 
> that.
>
> A URL is a URL.  Not quite sure how it could be made prettier, or why it 
> would matter when the link is pretty.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:50:41 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Charlie;
>>
>> Use the permalink button you get 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#Sort%20Filter%20Run%20Prefix thats 
>> Yuk in my view
>> Now control Panel, settings > tiddlywiki >  Display tiddler titles as 
>> links
>>
>> Now open the tiddler and highlight the title and copy, then past here Sort 
>> Filter Run Prefix 
>> 
>> Thats not yuck
>>
>> I think you may see it aint the beholder, its universal. Especially if 
>> you want to see the yuck one just mouse over.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 8 August 2021 at 03:57:06 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yuck how?  What's a non-yuck URL?
>>>
>>> Understanding, of course, that yuck is in the eye of the beholder, and 
>>> that URL's are first about being successful at getting to something on the 
>>> web.
>>>
>>> I ask because of the potential for me to gain a new insight into how 
>>> different people see things.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 12:42:44 AM UTC-3 The Islander wrote:
>>>
 Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. 
 Yuck!

 On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 6:12:40 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I just stumbled upon something helpful. You may know how to copy a 
> permalink to a tiddler, this results in URL, and using the to clipboard 
> option is help full. the only problem is the result is an ugly URL with 
> encoding.
>
> I discovered today however if you have Control Panel > Settings > Tiddler 
> Titles 
> 
>  set 
> to Display tiddler titles as links, there is a a better choice. Or where 
> every you see a link in a tiddler eg  Learning 
>  [[Learning  |
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Learning]] copt that with you mouse.
>
> If the titles are displayed as links highlight and copy the title with 
> your mouse. The result if pasted is well formatted link eg; Navigation 
> History 
> .
>  
> It is not helpful pasting into tiddlywiki,  I will raise an issue on 
> this. 
> But it is helpful pasting links into email and forum posts. As I have 
> done 
> here.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>


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[tw5] Re: Click icon to open webpage

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Try https://bbc.co.uk"; target="_blank">{{y}}

Birthe

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 11:24:44 PM UTC+1 Jon wrote:

> Hi,
>
> <$link to="https://bbc.co.uk";>
> {{y}}
> 
>
> 'y' is a small icon but when clicked it opens the url as a tiddler.
> How can I get it to open the webpage instead?
>
> Thanks
> Jon
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Has anyone noticed that the "delete" button is off-center in the "more" dropdown list?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Yes and it looked okay in the prerelease.
The difference is:

\whitespace trim

In tiddler:$:/core/ui/Buttons/delete

Birthe

mandag den 1. februar 2021 kl. 23.17.26 UTC+1 skrev si:

>
> Since the new version, if you click on the "more" button on the View 
> Toolbar the "delete" button is out of line with the rest.
>
> It seems unlikely that I am the only person to have noticed, but I thought 
> I'd mention it just in case.
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[tw5] Re: New tiddler button with focus on title

[strikke...@gmail.com]

You are creating 2 new tiddlers. New tiddler without tag or text but with 
focus on title. New tiddler1 with tag and text but not focus on title.

Try:
\define newtags() [[my-tag]]
\define newtext() my text
<$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/new-button}}
  <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" tags=<> 
text=<> />
   

Transcluding the image not the button.

Birthe
lørdag den 6. februar 2021 kl. 15.34.09 UTC+1 skrev Jon:

> Hi,
>
> This creates a new tiddler with my-tag with 'my text' inserted:
>
> \define newtags() [[my-tag]]
> \define newtext() my text
> <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler}} 
>   <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
> tags=<> text=<> />
>
>
> How can I get the focus on the title so it's highlighted?
>
> Thanks
> Jon
>

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[tw5] Re: My hamster is too big. Any suggestions to slim fatty?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

I Would have thought fitness...but then again Too late, fatty cannot get up 


Birthe


lørdag den 6. februar 2021 kl. 16.56.26 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:

> My hamster is too big. Any suggestions to slim fatty?
>
> [image: download (6).jpg]
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: using jTab with TW5

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Some discussion 
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/nh5vMpPeEvg/m/u-3okLjw2z0J

Some test in an old Tiddlywiki (It IS TW5)  here: 
http://jtab-tw5.tiddlyspot.com
onsdag den 10. februar 2021 kl. 04.29.29 UTC+1 skrev mike.n@gmail.com:

> Hai all,
>
> Big fan of TW and been using it for a long time on a multitude of 
> different projects.. (always learning something new). Seriously.. i thinks 
> its a compulsive addiction wikifying everything.
>
> I came across some javascript that will display guitar notation using 
> vector graphics (http://jtab.tardate.com/). I scoured a number of posts 
> on how to implement it, but it seems the instructions were meant for TW 
> Classic (ie, Eric Shulmans detailed post here 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/YN3tNEiv3vc). 
>
> I know its a reach, but can anyone point me to a reference for 
> incorporating javascript based code for use as a macro in TW5?
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> MJ
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyRoam Website

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@David Gifford Totally agree. But we do know that beauty "sells".
It is kind of like a fashion model showing of the latest fashion. How does 
that look on everyday women in all kinds of jobs?
I love Stroll and that is very much due to all the explanations you created 
and all the goodies to choose from.

Birthe

fredag den 12. februar 2021 kl. 15.09.19 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

> @TiddlyTweeter - Mohammad was referring to the front page, which does not 
> look to be TiddlyWiki. And it IS really nice.
>
> TiddlyRoam itself is just TiddlyBlink (one of my pre-Stroll experiments) 
> with TiddlyMap slapped on it. Stroll and Drift are ultimately more useful, 
> and cleaned up.
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 6:09:31 AM UTC-6 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> By chance I came over to the TiddlyRoam Website and I found it really 
>>> exciting!
>>> See https://tiddlyroam.org/ Congrats to Joe!
>>>
>>
>> HA! Very nice! And good to see *an example that presents the power of 
>> our tool so neatly!*
>>
>> IMO, longer-term, the provision of Finished, ready-to-run, Applications 
>> like TiddlyRoam, will do a LOT to help promote TiddlyWiki to wider 
>> audiences and get it used more.
>>
>> Thoughts
>> TT 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Issue: Error downloading file message

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Tiddlydrive 

 
to read about it. i do not know if you have it installed.

torsdag den 11. februar 2021 kl. 11.48.14 UTC+1 skrev ewhite...@gmail.com:

> I have been using Tiddly wiki for over a year with no issues, however when 
> I now download the file, I get an error page stating 'There was an error 
> downloading the file'
>
> Any ideas?
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki via Twexe getting Internal JavaScript Error

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If you get Timimi working and would like to upgrade your tiddlywiki go to 
https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade but if you are using lots of pluigns, you 
must search to find updates for them . Be careful if you have written over 
core tiddlers. The latest version is 5.1.23.

Good luck.
Birthe
lørdag den 13. februar 2021 kl. 23.13.24 UTC+1 skrev TheScribe:

> Hello,
>
> I'm new to the group, but I've been using TiddlyWiki for about 10 years. A 
> friend introduced me to the idea and I have never looked back.
>
> However, the saving thing has become a bit of an issue. I've used a few 
> alternatives of saving methods but really would like to be able to save to 
> the folder of my choice just by clicking the save icon (without the extra 
> steps). I'm lazy.
>
> Yesterday, I decided to try Twexe. I have three wikis for different 
> projects and while two worked perfectly, the third one keeps coming back 
> with an "Internal JavaScript Error". I have ensured Java has been updated, 
> I ensured Twexe was the latest version. I tried it using the Brave browser 
> and Edge. I'm using TiddlyWiki version 5.1.14, however, the two that works 
> are version 5.1.9. Is there a way to update these existing wikis to the 
> latest version 5.1.22?
>
> But that's not my question. What I really want to know is why am I getting 
> an internal javascript error on the third wiki? FYI, this particular wiki 
> is quite large and contains 103 images. Could this be the reason? How can I 
> get around this? Any suggestions, ideas would be appreciated. I could try 
> cutting and pasting each and every page in the wiki, but that will take me 
> a very long time and I don't really want to do that. Please help.
>
> kind regards,
> Karen
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Installing plugins without drag-and-drop

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Hi Ray,
I just tried dragging the tagpill into my wiki. It worked well. I am using 
Firefox on Linux Mint and saving locally using timimi.
If you see no tiddlers in the $:/import tiddler, I do not think it is of 
any importance how you save, as you got nothing to save. I have experienced 
problems at times, showing no tiddlers to import. I think I might have 
overwritten the core tiddler at some point. Deleting it helps. If you get 
the import working you have to save you wiki and refresh the tiddlers to 
work. There are plugin tiddlers among them. (Are  you sure, you dragged the 
right tagpill?)

Good luck!

Birthe.

mandag den 15. februar 2021 kl. 17.22.05 UTC+1 skrev rayv...@gmail.com:

> Hi all
>
> re-newby here
> I used TW 6 years ago and now picking it up again.
> I wanted to use Stroll so i dragged the yellow tag pill from one tab in my 
> browser to
> my own TW and it showed a green line with the "Drop here" message and when 
> i do that
> there are no tiddlers to inport so i guess the plugin is not installed?
> I use de Google Drive function for saving on browser Chromium at my Arch 
> Linux system.
>
> Anyone an idea how to fix this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ray
>
> Op woensdag 3 februari 2021 om 14:15:59 UTC+1 schreef TiddlyTweeter:
>
>> Ciao Nico Petton
>>
>> Nicolas Petton wrote:
>>
>>> Projectify doesn't have any dependencies, so simply installing the 
>>> plugin will work. 
>>>
>>> Installing Relink is advised though for convenience when renaming 
>>> project/todo tiddlers. 
>>
>>
>> It is a really good example of where offering *much *bites your ass. 
>>
>> I agree that the RELINK plugin is good. BUT, on the other hand, for 
>> beginners to TW, I doubt they have any concept of what it is for.
>>
>> Just a comment about *"advertise as little as possible"* :-) 
>>
>> TT
>>
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[tw5] Re: Gird view, how to install?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Go to the right menuhover in the top right corner, click the button 
zurück in die normale Ansicht. Then you can go to the control panel,, tab 
plugins and find it.

I had a lot of fun with this myself.


Birthe

onsdag den 17. februar 2021 kl. 18.23.40 UTC+1 skrev rayv...@gmail.com:

> Hi all
>
> i stumbled upon this plugin for TW5:   https://szenio.de/Grid/
> This is exactly what i like because it resembles Google Keep.
>
> But i can not figure out how to install this in my TW5 file.
>
> Is anyone willing to explain this to me ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ray
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Gird view, how to install?

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Quite some configuration to do before seeing your own tiddlers as you would 
like. Try looking at the grid view when you load the page. The tiddlers 
shown explains quite a lot.

To be honest with you, I did not find it easy, and every little change kind 
of changed how it looked a worked. But maybe that is only me.


Birthe

onsdag den 17. februar 2021 kl. 19.08.27 UTC+1 skrev rayv...@gmail.com:

> Thank you, that worked, now when i click the grid view button i get the 
> Exit and control page and this error:Internal JavaScript Error
>
> Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki 
> by refreshing your browser
> Uncaught NotFoundError: Failed to execute 'insertBefore' on 'Node': The 
> node before which the new node is to be inserted is not a child of this 
> node.
>
> What is that?
> I thought i could see my tiddlers in a grid view...?
>
> Tx
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> Op wo 17 feb. 2021 om 18:58 schreef strikke...@gmail.com <
> strikke...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Go to the right menuhover in the top right corner, click the button 
>> zurück in die normale Ansicht. Then you can go to the control panel,, tab 
>> plugins and find it.
>>
>> I had a lot of fun with this myself.
>>
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> onsdag den 17. februar 2021 kl. 18.23.40 UTC+1 skrev rayv...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> i stumbled upon this plugin for TW5:   https://szenio.de/Grid/
>>> This is exactly what i like because it resembles Google Keep.
>>>
>>> But i can not figure out how to install this in my TW5 file.
>>>
>>> Is anyone willing to explain this to me ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Announcement] "TW Icons" - A large collection of icons for TiddlyWiki

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Thank you so much for this wonderful resource. Also for reminding us, to 
save a local copy. 29.2mb to be precise.


Birthe
onsdag den 17. februar 2021 kl. 22.48.32 UTC+1 skrev moros...@gmail.com:

> @TiddlyTweeter Thank you very much! It means a lot! :)
>
> My suggestion for you all is to make personal copies of the site versions 
> as backup in case I will not be able to ensure the availability of the site 
> (and the content) in the future, so one can restore it to another public 
> location. Now it is a free and open community resource, so anyone can do 
> that. Also you can use it as an offline version in case of internet 
> connection failure. It's only about 30 MB. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 9:12:31 PM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> moros...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> A new version of *"TW Icons"* is available !!!
>>>
>>> *v1.1 *(https://morosanuae.github.io/tw-icons) now with a total of *~25000 
>>> icons*. 
>>>
>>> *Features*: 
>>>
>>>-  The *"Google Material Design"* library was added. More libraries 
>>>are on the way, so stay tuned! :
>>>
>>> WHOAH !!! That is now a super useful resource! Way better, actually, 
>> than most any SVG online libraries.
>> And the fact you prepared, via scripts, all the icons to be immediately 
>> usable in TW is illustrative of your skill in programming.
>>
>> I think it is a major achievement! 
>>
>> And, given the vast scale of it now, I'm amazed at its GOOD performance.
>> So it is also concrete testament that with good data design TW can be 
>> well performative at scale. 
>>
>> All hats off. Best wishes,
>> TT
>>  
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Looking for TODO rule in Tiddler that creates automagically a TODO item.

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TiddlyRearch  has a todo, that 
might inspire you- but it only works for the first line of text in the 
tiddler. It works well for TiddlyResearch also using Streams. Every thing 
is a tiddler then.

Birthe

torsdag den 18. februar 2021 kl. 16.03.03 UTC+1 skrev rayv...@gmail.com:

> Not bad at all!
> Easy to install.
> Now finding out how to make piece of text from a tiddler into a todo item.
> Looks nice!!
>
> Ray
>
> Op do 18 feb. 2021 om 15:19 schreef Ste :
>
>> https://projectify.wiki/demo.html be useful? 
>>
>> On Thursday, 18 February 2021 at 12:31:34 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> since a week i am rediscovering TW5, really fun but quite for me a steep 
>>> learning curve.
>>> But I am trying.
>>> I have a daily journal entry where i log everything i do in for work.
>>> What i would love is the following:
>>> When i put something like say *TODO* on a line, that that line will 
>>> automagically
>>> be added to my todo list.
>>>
>>> So i have this in my journal (or normal tiddler):
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walked on the beach
>>> Let the dog out
>>> *TODO* remember to buy dogfood
>>> Wrote documentation for project XYZ
>>> Called DaveSmith
>>> *TODO* buy birthday present for Dave
>>> -
>>>
>>> That (only) the 2 *TODO* lines would be added to my TODO Tiddler.
>>> That would be really nice.
>>> Is this somehow possible?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>
>>> Pointers to tutorials on programming TW5 are welcome as well.
>>> I progress very slowly each day but hey, i am progressing ;-)
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Writing Recommendations

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Go to TiddlyWiki toolmap - Dynalist;

It is easy to use a lot of time there (and even more testing possibilities 
:-) Look for Writing and editing.


fredag den 19. februar 2021 kl. 18.22.12 UTC+1 skrev dgle...@gmail.com:

> Goto to the main website, select 'Community' from the dropdown menu, then 
> select 'Community Editions'. It lists customized tiddlywikis for specific 
> uses. It is likely you may find one that exactly suits your needs. I use a 
> couple variations myself, because like you I am still learning to get the 
> most from the platform.
>
> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 12:12:34 PM UTC-5 ooc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am looking for any plugins, themes or ideas to make my tiddlywiki feel 
>> more like a writing machine. I am not a TW novice, I am a TW amoeba!  So 
>> advice towards this goal is much appreciated. 
>>
>> Adore tiddlywiki, it is like a deep ocean where I am barely treading 
>> water. 
>>
>> O
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Announcement] "TW Icons" - A large collection of icons for TiddlyWiki

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Icons are lovely, lots of icons even better. The best part being the 
beautiful presentation and ease of use. I am fascinated by the speed of it 
all despite it being 35.7 mb big last time I downloaded. 

Now wouldn't tags for aliases put a hefty burden on exactly the speed of 
use?

Birthe

søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 13.25.39 UTC+1 skrev moros...@gmail.com:

> So, as I said previously, I want to add metadata to icons, especially 
> "aliases", but I don't know what is the better method: 
>
>
>- to add them as tags or 
>- as a list in a field called "aliases". 
>- or maybe both?
>
>
> What do you think? 
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 1:24:01 PM UTC+2 moros...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Pit.W. Thanks a lot Pit! I feel a little embarrassed to be honest. After 
>> all, ANYONE can accomplish this with a little effort and knowledge (just a 
>> little). But thanks anyway! I'm glad that you (and others) find my work 
>> useful. I consider this my tribute to TiddlyWiki app and its creators and 
>> also to our community. 
>>
>> @Mat And it may become even crazier! ;)
>>
>> @Joshua You're welcome! I also have discovered metadata for some of the 
>> libraries, but I was thinking of an universal catalog. I want to add 
>> metadata for the entire library, at least for generic icons (e.g. house, 
>> book, people etc.) and their variants. And I want to do it in a single 
>> operation, with big JSON file that contain all the icons.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 2:24:21 AM UTC+2 joshua@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome, thank you for the example data file.
>>>
>>> I have meta-data available for a few of the libraries I was 
>>> experimenting with. For example, for GameIcons.net (which I think you have 
>>> imported), their website-catalog has tags for all the icons. I used Node 
>>> and an 'R' script to manually download and partse each web-page, extract 
>>> the meta-data (tags, etc), and then append that to the final Tiddler data. 
>>> (Repo: https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-SVG-Scripts).
>>>
>>> This allowed me to extract, for example, the below block of the
>>>
>>> ```
>>> caption: police-badge
>>> description: Symbol of law enforcement. The best moment to show it, it's 
>>> to shout "FBI" and break the door with a kick.
>>> name: andymeneely/police-badge
>>> tags: $:/tags/Icon police shield symbol
>>> title: $:/icons/gameicons/andymeneely/police-badge
>>> type: 
>>> ```
>>>
>>> I have that for the whole library. The FontAwesome5 svg files also have 
>>> a separate meta-data YAML file that I parsed for the meta-data.
>>>
>>> I will clone your repo and see how I can integrate the meta-data I have 
>>> available!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Joshua Fontany
>>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 5:39:14 AM UTC-8 moros...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Joshua As I said before, I've processed the original SVG files with 
>>>> some scripts made in Windows 10 Powershell. All operations are done with 
>>>> PowerShell: creating files, replacing content, creating the TiddlyWiki 
>>>> formal structure and adding content. The final output is a JSON file which 
>>>> includes an array of JS objects (every object is an icon). You can see 
>>>> below an example:
>>>>
>>>> {
>>>> "title":"$:/images/google-material-design/action/filled/18px/star-rate",
>>>> "tags":"$:/tags/Image Icons Images SVG",
>>>> "caption":"star-rate",
>>>> "collection":"filled",
>>>> "category":"Action",
>>>> "library":"Google Material Design",
>>>> "library_version":"5.9.55",
>>>> "text":">>> class=\"tc-image-gmd-star-rate tc-image-button\" viewBox=\"0 0 18 18\" 
>>>> width=\"18\">>>> 7H3l3.71 2.64L5.29 14z\"/>"
>>>> }
>>>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 3:25:32 PM UTC+2 moros...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @Joshua Thanks! Can you explain in more detail what you have in mind? 
>>>>> I didn't understand very well. I need aliases for icons. I found this 
>>>>> kind 
>>>>> of metadata for some o

Re: [tw5] Re: [Announcement] "TW Icons" - A large collection of icons for TiddlyWiki

[strikke...@gmail.com]

I understand. I do not know enough however to know if there is a difference 
in using tags or alias field. How that would impact the performance. I 
think someone did a test of that long time ago. unfortunately I was not 
able to find the result by searching.

Birthe

søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 13.59.52 UTC+1 skrev moros...@gmail.com:

> @Birthe 
>
> "Now wouldn't tags for aliases put a hefty burden on exactly the speed of 
> use?"
>
> I guess this will somehow impact performance, but if you can't find the 
> icons you need in a short amount of time, I think the speed of the app 
> becomes somewhat irrelevant. 
>
> It may be relevant only if you want to visually parse all the pages 
> searching for your desired icons.
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 2:40:39 PM UTC+2 strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Icons are lovely, lots of icons even better. The best part being the 
>> beautiful presentation and ease of use. I am fascinated by the speed of it 
>> all despite it being 35.7 mb big last time I downloaded. 
>>
>> Now wouldn't tags for aliases put a hefty burden on exactly the speed of 
>> use?
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 13.25.39 UTC+1 skrev moros...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> So, as I said previously, I want to add metadata to icons, especially 
>>> "aliases", but I don't know what is the better method: 
>>>
>>>
>>>- to add them as tags or 
>>>- as a list in a field called "aliases". 
>>>- or maybe both?
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you think? 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 1:24:01 PM UTC+2 moros...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Pit.W. Thanks a lot Pit! I feel a little embarrassed to be honest. 
>>>> After all, ANYONE can accomplish this with a little effort and knowledge 
>>>> (just a little). But thanks anyway! I'm glad that you (and others) find my 
>>>> work useful. I consider this my tribute to TiddlyWiki app and its creators 
>>>> and also to our community. 
>>>>
>>>> @Mat And it may become even crazier! ;)
>>>>
>>>> @Joshua You're welcome! I also have discovered metadata for some of the 
>>>> libraries, but I was thinking of an universal catalog. I want to add 
>>>> metadata for the entire library, at least for generic icons (e.g. house, 
>>>> book, people etc.) and their variants. And I want to do it in a single 
>>>> operation, with big JSON file that contain all the icons.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 2:24:21 AM UTC+2 joshua@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Awesome, thank you for the example data file.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have meta-data available for a few of the libraries I was 
>>>>> experimenting with. For example, for GameIcons.net (which I think you 
>>>>> have 
>>>>> imported), their website-catalog has tags for all the icons. I used Node 
>>>>> and an 'R' script to manually download and partse each web-page, extract 
>>>>> the meta-data (tags, etc), and then append that to the final Tiddler 
>>>>> data. 
>>>>> (Repo: https://github.com/joshuafontany/TW5-SVG-Scripts).
>>>>>
>>>>> This allowed me to extract, for example, the below block of the
>>>>>
>>>>> ```
>>>>> caption: police-badge
>>>>> description: Symbol of law enforcement. The best moment to show it, 
>>>>> it's to shout "FBI" and break the door with a kick.
>>>>> name: andymeneely/police-badge
>>>>> tags: $:/tags/Icon police shield symbol
>>>>> title: $:/icons/gameicons/andymeneely/police-badge
>>>>> type: 
>>>>> ```
>>>>>
>>>>> I have that for the whole library. The FontAwesome5 svg files also 
>>>>> have a separate meta-data YAML file that I parsed for the meta-data.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will clone your repo and see how I can integrate the meta-data I 
>>>>> have available!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Joshua Fontany
>>>>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 5:39:14 AM UTC-8 moros...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Joshua As I said before, I've processed the original SVG files with 
>>>>>> some scripts made in Windows 

[tw5] Re: Writing Recommendations

[strikke...@gmail.com]

@Mat,
Absolutely recommendable, in fact I do not understand how people do without 
SideEditor.

Birthe
søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 12.43.02 UTC+1 skrev Mat:

> Depends on what you mean with "writing machine" but I personally use the 
> SideEditor 
> all the time (I am the creator of it).
>
> <:-)
>
> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 6:12:34 PM UTC+1 ooc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am looking for any plugins, themes or ideas to make my tiddlywiki feel 
>> more like a writing machine. I am not a TW novice, I am a TW amoeba!  So 
>> advice towards this goal is much appreciated. 
>>
>> Adore tiddlywiki, it is like a deep ocean where I am barely treading 
>> water. 
>>
>> O
>>
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[tw5] Re: Backlinks

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How did you install the node,js wiki in the first place? Didn't you need 
npm for that also?


søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 15.39.33 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:

> Hm... Once again @Mat you've clued me in to a nuance that somehow escaped 
> my notice:  I've got two wiki's under management via TiddlyDesktop that are 
> different in this key respect (i.e. "References" vs "Backlinks" tab) though 
> i was under the impression that both are with most current version.  The 
> one that's still w/ "References" on that tab is not of the single-file 
> type, tho;  does this mean it's a node.js wiki?  Am still fuzzy on this 
> point... And so i'm not clear from the upgrade documentation 
>  if i should use that standard 
> procedure "Upgrading'" procedure or the "sudo npm update 
> " method 
> (am on Mac, so npm doesn't work).  Complicated!
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 12:40:47 PM UTC Mat wrote:
>
>> ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> Ahh... Following your breadcrumbs, @Mat, only now i see the "References" 
>>> tab (a synonym for Backlinks, it appears)
>>
>>
>> Someone has not been upgrading his TW to the latest version of TW, I 
>> suspect... The tab is now named Backlinks :-)
>>  
>>
>>> If i could pop that view w/ a simple key-combo, i'd call it the best of 
>>> all possible worlds!
>>>
>>
>> Prolly doable with the keyboard shortcuts 
>> 
>>  
>> but I don't know how.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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[tw5] Re: Backlinks

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How do you intall plugins and themes then? I though that was different for 
node.js wikis.


søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 16.12.28 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:

> It was a while ago, @strikke... But TiddlyDesktop is a clickety-click 
> install, and then IIRC there's an option to decide how you want the wiki 
> saved -i did one of each (single file vs individual tiddlers)- and that was 
> that.  So it seems the node.js tech is transparent to the user.  Until it 
> comes to upgrade time, that is... Now the plot thickens!
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 3:07:50 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How did you install the node,js wiki in the first place? Didn't you need 
>> npm for that also?
>>
>>
>> søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 15.39.33 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>
>>> Hm... Once again @Mat you've clued me in to a nuance that somehow 
>>> escaped my notice:  I've got two wiki's under management via TiddlyDesktop 
>>> that are different in this key respect (i.e. "References" vs "Backlinks" 
>>> tab) though i was under the impression that both are with most current 
>>> version.  The one that's still w/ "References" on that tab is not of the 
>>> single-file type, tho;  does this mean it's a node.js wiki?  Am still fuzzy 
>>> on this point... And so i'm not clear from the upgrade documentation 
>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Upgrading> if i should use that standard 
>>> procedure "Upgrading'" procedure or the "sudo npm update 
>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Upgrading%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js>" method 
>>> (am on Mac, so npm doesn't work).  Complicated!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 12:40:47 PM UTC Mat wrote:
>>>
>>>> ludwa6 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ahh... Following your breadcrumbs, @Mat, only now i see the 
>>>>> "References" tab (a synonym for Backlinks, it appears)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Someone has not been upgrading his TW to the latest version of TW, I 
>>>> suspect... The tab is now named Backlinks :-)
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>> If i could pop that view w/ a simple key-combo, i'd call it the best 
>>>>> of all possible worlds!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Prolly doable with the keyboard shortcuts 
>>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#How%20to%20create%20keyboard%20shortcuts>
>>>>  
>>>> but I don't know how.
>>>>
>>>> <:-)
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Writing Recommendations

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Use the > button in viewtoolbar, the tiddler opens in sideeditor.

Birthe
søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 19.09.34 UTC+1 skrev ooc...@gmail.com:

> Side editor is great!
>
> Two things, how do you change the size and type of font in the editor 
> window. Also I noticed it only creates a side editor on the side editor + 
> icon. Is there a way to get the window with all new tiddlers (ie journal)?
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 7:34 AM strikke...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> @Mat,
>> Absolutely recommendable, in fact I do not understand how people do 
>> without SideEditor.
>>
>> Birthe
>> søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 12.43.02 UTC+1 skrev Mat:
>>
>>> Depends on what you mean with "writing machine" but I personally use the 
>>> SideEditor 
>>> <http://sideeditor.tiddlyspot.com/>all the time (I am the creator of 
>>> it).
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 6:12:34 PM UTC+1 ooc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am looking for any plugins, themes or ideas to make my tiddlywiki 
>>>> feel more like a writing machine. I am not a TW novice, I am a TW amoeba!  
>>>> So advice towards this goal is much appreciated. 
>>>>
>>>> Adore tiddlywiki, it is like a deep ocean where I am barely treading 
>>>> water. 
>>>>
>>>> O
>>>>
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[tw5] Re: Backlinks

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The tiddler $:/core/ui/TiddlerInfo/References has a caption field with the 
$:/language/TiddlerInfo/References/Caption transcluded. Maybe you tiddler 
is overwritten earlier?

Birthe

søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 19.24.58 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:

> OK, with a TD instance 2 versions out-of-date already (0.0.13 vs 0.0.15), 
> i decided to bite the bullet and upgrade it to most current version.
>
> The Good News: it upgraded my out-of-date (v.5.1.16!) multi-files wiki to 
> current 5.1.23.
>
> The Bad News: you guys are right, Mark S. & Strikke : installation of 
> plugins from within TD, via Control Panel : Plugins: "Get More Plugins" 
> button, no longer works;  in fact one cannot even follow step 1 of the 
> rather complicated instruction-set it throws up, i.e.
> >  1. Identify the plugins you want to install using the *Plugins* tab of 
> > control 
> panel <https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel> (*don't* install 
> the plugins from here, though).
> ... Because that tab does not even give a browsable list of plugins 
> anymore; click on tab just returns: "The official plugin library is 
> disabled when using the client-server configuration. Instead, plugins 
> should be installed via the tiddlywiki.info file, as described here 
> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20a%20plugin%20from%20the%20plugin%20library>"
>  
> (i.e. the step-by-step instructions that Mark references).  I'd have to 
> call this a bug in the process.
>
> Moreover: the upgrade to version 5.1.23 of the wiki didn't fix the tiddler 
> Info tab problem; tho the view is updated, that tab i questioned above 
> still says "References" instead of "Backlinks" (not that i care anymore 
> about this, now that i know they are synonyms; am just sayin'  :-)
>
> /walt
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:55:27 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 7:32:46 AM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How do you intall plugins and themes then? I though that was different 
>>> for node.js wikis.
>>>
>>>
>> Good point.
>>
>> ludwa6 must have installed them before the change.  
>>
>> If he/she upgrades to v14+,  they'll have to use the  tiddlywiki.info 
>> file. Or add other plugins underneath the local plugins folder. 
>> You can also drag and drop 3rd party plugins from other tiddlywikis.
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Writing Recommendations

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@Mat,
You might explain that in the readme for the plugin if/when upgrading. 
I liked having the font a little bigger, thanks.

Birthe

søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 19.58.22 UTC+1 skrev Mat:

> ooc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Side editor is great!
>>
>> Two things, how do you change the size and type of font in the editor 
>> window. 
>>
>
> $:/Controlpanel > Appearance > Theme tweaks ... Font size
>
> ...which is how (I believe) you chane the font also in the standard 
> editor. BUT it does change the font everywhere. If you have a specific size 
> you only want for the SideEditor, you could hack it a little and add your 
> own stylesheet with:
>
> title: mystylesheet
> tags: $:/tags/Stylesheet
> type: text/css
> text: .se-editor { font-size:20px; }
>
> This will work also if there's an update to the plugin and you update it.
>  
>
>> Also I noticed it only creates a side editor on the side editor + icon. 
>> Is there a way to get the window with all new tiddlers (ie journal)?
>>
>
> Haven't considered that as a separate feature actually. 
> You could proably copy the special + button ( 
> $:/plugins/TWaddle/SideEditor/new-btn ) and tweak it for a journal tiddler. 
> Again, this is also likely to continue to work if there's an update to the 
> plugin. 
> Otherwise it is as Birthe suggests; create a journal tiddler like you 
> always do and open the sideeditor from the > icon in that tiddler.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Backlinks

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That is correct. But when you upgraded the language tiddler should have 
been upgraded too, If you look at Tiddlywiki.com 
<https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Flanguage%2FTiddlerInfo%2FReferences%2FCaption>
the tiddler has Backlinks in the text field.

Birthe
søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 20.07.49 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:

> Thanks @Birthe : i'm looking at that tiddler, which does have a caption 
> field holding the string "{{$:/language/TiddlerInfo/References/Caption}}" 
> -is that as it should be? 
>
> Whether it is or isn't, i'm hesitant to make any edits, in light of the 
> warning i got on entering edit view: that any edits i make could make 
> future upgrades non-trivial (trivial being more my speed, i must admit! :-)
>
> /walt
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 6:51:38 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The tiddler $:/core/ui/TiddlerInfo/References has a caption field with 
>> the $:/language/TiddlerInfo/References/Caption transcluded. Maybe you 
>> tiddler is overwritten earlier?
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 19.24.58 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>
>>> OK, with a TD instance 2 versions out-of-date already (0.0.13 vs 
>>> 0.0.15), i decided to bite the bullet and upgrade it to most current 
>>> version.
>>>
>>> The Good News: it upgraded my out-of-date (v.5.1.16!) multi-files wiki 
>>> to current 5.1.23.
>>>
>>> The Bad News: you guys are right, Mark S. & Strikke : installation of 
>>> plugins from within TD, via Control Panel : Plugins: "Get More Plugins" 
>>> button, no longer works;  in fact one cannot even follow step 1 of the 
>>> rather complicated instruction-set it throws up, i.e.
>>> >  1. Identify the plugins you want to install using the *Plugins* tab 
>>> of control panel <https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel> (
>>> *don't* install the plugins from here, though).
>>> ... Because that tab does not even give a browsable list of plugins 
>>> anymore; click on tab just returns: "The official plugin library is 
>>> disabled when using the client-server configuration. Instead, plugins 
>>> should be installed via the tiddlywiki.info file, as described here 
>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20a%20plugin%20from%20the%20plugin%20library>"
>>>  
>>> (i.e. the step-by-step instructions that Mark references).  I'd have to 
>>> call this a bug in the process.
>>>
>>> Moreover: the upgrade to version 5.1.23 of the wiki didn't fix the 
>>> tiddler Info tab problem; tho the view is updated, that tab i questioned 
>>> above still says "References" instead of "Backlinks" (not that i care 
>>> anymore about this, now that i know they are synonyms; am just sayin'  
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> /walt
>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:55:27 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 7:32:46 AM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How do you intall plugins and themes then? I though that was different 
>>>>> for node.js wikis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Good point.
>>>>
>>>> ludwa6 must have installed them before the change.  
>>>>
>>>> If he/she upgrades to v14+,  they'll have to use the  tiddlywiki.info 
>>>> file. Or add other plugins underneath the local plugins folder. 
>>>> You can also drag and drop 3rd party plugins from other tiddlywikis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Backlinks

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Sorry, Mark S! You are of course right. I do not normally use tiddly 
desktop. I do not know why, but it takes about 10 years and a war to start 
it on my computer.

Birthe

søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 20.30.09 UTC+1 skrev Mark S.:

> @strikke The TW 5.1.23-*prerelease* that is part of TD 14 might not have 
> incorporated those changes yet.
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 11:23:43 AM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> That is correct. But when you upgraded the language tiddler should have 
>> been upgraded too, If you look at Tiddlywiki.com 
>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Flanguage%2FTiddlerInfo%2FReferences%2FCaption>
>> the tiddler has Backlinks in the text field.
>>
>> Birthe
>> søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 20.07.49 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>
>>> Thanks @Birthe : i'm looking at that tiddler, which does have a caption 
>>> field holding the string "{{$:/language/TiddlerInfo/References/Caption}}" 
>>> -is that as it should be? 
>>>
>>> Whether it is or isn't, i'm hesitant to make any edits, in light of the 
>>> warning i got on entering edit view: that any edits i make could make 
>>> future upgrades non-trivial (trivial being more my speed, i must admit! :-)
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 6:51:38 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The tiddler $:/core/ui/TiddlerInfo/References has a caption field with 
>>>> the $:/language/TiddlerInfo/References/Caption transcluded. Maybe you 
>>>> tiddler is overwritten earlier?
>>>>
>>>> Birthe
>>>>
>>>> søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 19.24.58 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, with a TD instance 2 versions out-of-date already (0.0.13 vs 
>>>>> 0.0.15), i decided to bite the bullet and upgrade it to most current 
>>>>> version.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Good News: it upgraded my out-of-date (v.5.1.16!) multi-files wiki 
>>>>> to current 5.1.23.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Bad News: you guys are right, Mark S. & Strikke : installation of 
>>>>> plugins from within TD, via Control Panel : Plugins: "Get More Plugins" 
>>>>> button, no longer works;  in fact one cannot even follow step 1 of the 
>>>>> rather complicated instruction-set it throws up, i.e.
>>>>> >  1. Identify the plugins you want to install using the *Plugins* tab 
>>>>> of control panel <https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel> (
>>>>> *don't* install the plugins from here, though).
>>>>> ... Because that tab does not even give a browsable list of plugins 
>>>>> anymore; click on tab just returns: "The official plugin library is 
>>>>> disabled when using the client-server configuration. Instead, plugins 
>>>>> should be installed via the tiddlywiki.info file, as described here 
>>>>> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20a%20plugin%20from%20the%20plugin%20library>"
>>>>>  
>>>>> (i.e. the step-by-step instructions that Mark references).  I'd have to 
>>>>> call this a bug in the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moreover: the upgrade to version 5.1.23 of the wiki didn't fix the 
>>>>> tiddler Info tab problem; tho the view is updated, that tab i questioned 
>>>>> above still says "References" instead of "Backlinks" (not that i care 
>>>>> anymore about this, now that i know they are synonyms; am just sayin' 
>>>>>  
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> /walt
>>>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 5:55:27 PM UTC Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 7:32:46 AM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you intall plugins and themes then? I though that was 
>>>>>>> different for node.js wikis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ludwa6 must have installed them before the change.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he/she upgrades to v14+,  they'll have to use the  tiddlywiki.info 
>>>>>> file. Or add other plugins underneath the local plugins folder. 
>>>>>> You can also drag and drop 3rd party plugins from other tiddlywikis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: How to make a keyboard shortcut for line breaks?

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Test it, I think it is due to the plugin $:/plugins/sq/editor-autolist. If 
you do not need it, you could try to disable it.

Birthe

søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 22.15.34 UTC+1 skrev peter...@gmail.com:

> Hi Chris, 
> thanks for the clarification! For me, bullet lists and numbered lists 
> (including these line breaks are an important feature and I am using STROLL 
> > i made an nteresting observation: I downloaded Marios plugin. It works in 
> original TW with reasonable output: also for lists it works great, an 
> space-space-enter at the end produces a new paragraph and for a next 
> bullet/numbers I need to again hit * or #. However, in STROLL, hitting 
> space-space-enter at the end of a bullet paragraph produces a correctly 
> indented new line but with a (unneccessary) * or # at the beginning. No 
> clue how to turn this off. Any idea?
>
> kind regards
> Peter
>
> clutterstack schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Februar 2021 um 18:06:29 UTC+1:
>
>> Hi Peter, 
>>
>> At first guess, it looks as though you may be using standard WikiText 
>> (the default in TiddlyWiki), rather than Markdown? 
>>
>> In this case, the triple-double-quote delimiters would be the syntax you 
>> want for hard linebreaks (or if you want Markdown-like syntax just for 
>> linebreaks, Mario's plugin). Mario's long link 
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText:%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS%20-%20Example%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS%5D%5D
>> brings up the relevant TiddlyWiki docs for that.
>>
>> Quick excerpt from Hard Linebreaks in WikiText 
>> :
>>
>> """ 
>> This is a line 
>> and this is a new line 
>> while this is yet another line 
>> and this is the final one 
>> apart from this one 
>> """
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Chris
>> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 10:44:21 AM UTC-5 peter...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi mario, 
>>>
>>> thanks for the very quick reply!  Of course, I would like to stay with 
>>> the standard :-). However, the first option does not work in my wiki, I 
>>> just downloaded an new empty.html TW wiki to test, and it does not work 
>>> there either, unfortunately. Entering "" works fine but is simply tool 
>>> long if used often and clutters the text. See screenshot. Any 
>>> configurations I missed out? I am working on a Win 10 machine.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PMario schrieb am Sonntag, 21. Februar 2021 um 16:31:05 UTC+1:
>>>
 Hi,
 If you use markdown, you should use the markdown standard, which is 
 defined as 

 So just put 2 spaces at the end of the line and it will create a 
 hard-linebreak

 If you want to do the same with TW syntax see:

  - 
 https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText:%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20in%20WikiText%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS%20-%20Example%5D%5D%20%5B%5BHard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS%5D%5D

 Or you can use my space-space-newline plugin. It works the same way as 
 MD syntax.

  - https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/space-space-newline/

 -mario



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Re: [tw5] Re: Writing Recommendations

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@Mat,
The stylesheet is more than enough.  
I think it is the same size font in SideEditor - but somehow it looks 
smaller, i think the line height is smaller. It might just be a feeling.
I have not changed the font in the normal editor. 
I am using Ctrl + rather often when I am tired to find my TW mistakes. 
Better that than the eyes popping out LOL

Birthe

søndag den 21. februar 2021 kl. 23.36.03 UTC+1 skrev Mat:

> strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Mat,
>> You might explain that in the readme for the plugin if/when upgrading. 
>> I liked having the font a little bigger, thanks.
>>
>
> So, I guess I should add some setting for the font-size then (help remind 
> me... should be around year 2030). Instructing how to do it with a 
> stylesheet was just a workaround to avoid hacking it. But isn't the font 
> size in the SideEditor the same size as the normal editor? (How do people 
> solve it there?)
>
> But Birthe, you just need to ask. You know I'd do anything for you ;-)
>
> <:-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Getting back to Primordial tiddlers!

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Do  you know https://szenio.de/Grid/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FJJ%2Fsidecontrols ? 
Hover in the right side of the tiddler. It could be smaller and without the 
background color.

In TWclassic we also had much smaller tiddlers - and loved them.


Birthe

mandag den 22. februar 2021 kl. 03.17.15 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

>
> hi guys
>
> I was inspired by watching the video of Jeremy's talk with Joe Armstrong.
>
> Check out what I came up with here. 
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/primordial.tiddlers.html
>

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[tw5] Re: Getting back to Primordial tiddlers!

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Go to control panel, the info tab. That does not look quit as well.
I had so much fun playing with your small tiddlers. I forgot to sleep and 
it is time to start the day now. But distraction free?  ;-)

Birthe

mandag den 22. februar 2021 kl. 03.54.52 UTC+1 skrev strikke...@gmail.com:

> Do  you know https://szenio.de/Grid/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FJJ%2Fsidecontrols 
> ? Hover in the right side of the tiddler. It could be smaller and without 
> the background color.
>
> In TWclassic we also had much smaller tiddlers - and loved them.
>
>
> Birthe
>
> mandag den 22. februar 2021 kl. 03.17.15 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>
>>
>> hi guys
>>
>> I was inspired by watching the video of Jeremy's talk with Joe Armstrong.
>>
>> Check out what I came up with here. 
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/primordial.tiddlers.html
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: CleanTids

[strikke...@gmail.com]

David,
Now, it is not only nice to use, it is also a great resource for a  lot of 
the questions seen earlier in this group, how to do things like that. Now 
everyone can see, how you did it. 
We all have our favourite add-ons, they are easy to add. This was a 
minimalistic approach. For me it is a keeper.

Birthe


mandag den 22. februar 2021 kl. 20.21.24 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

> Thanks Diego! 
>
> Yes, that might be the best way to do the frames, titles and width between 
> tiddlers, as a theme. 
>
> This is a feature, not an edition or adaptation. So I would prefer not to 
> bundle it with other plugins, but let people add it to whatever plugin mix 
> they prefer. However, you are correct that the doubleclick to edit would 
> work especially well with tiddlers that have no titlebar. I will add a note 
> in case others might find it helpful to add to it...
>
> Blessings,
>
> David Gifford
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>
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>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:43 PM dieg...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> This is lovely. I think it could even be one of the included themes in 
>> TW! 
>>
>> I would only add that for me, Danielo's "double-click-to-edit" plugin 
>> (which I have personally edited to make it triple-click-to-edit, as I kept 
>> accidentally double-clicking) would be a great addition to  this CleanTid 
>> edition/theme/view. 
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 11:29:37 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>>> product, CleanTids.
>>>
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>>
>>> Play and enjoy...
>>>
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

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You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of 
course some backlinks to show.


tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:

> Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature works.  
> Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special tiddlers in 
> a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up -certainly not 
> the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing the "Backlinks" 
> link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So what am i missing, 
> i wonder?
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more final 
>> product, CleanTids.
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>
>> Play and enjoy...
>>
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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

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@ludwa6,
Transclude tids  w/backlinks works...but not backlinks. It gets stranger 
and stranger.

Birthe

tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 13.39.45 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:

> Thanks @Birthe, but that's what i'm doing (if i understand you right) and 
> it's not working.  On this new TiddlyHost site 
> <https://gtd.tiddlyhost.com/> i set up for testing purposes, the default 
> (show on startup) tiddler has a backlink, as you can see under the "Info" 
> tab... But they don't show anywhere by default, and if you click on the 
> "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab in sidebar, nothing happens.  I still 
> don't get it!  
> /walt
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 12:29:52 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of 
>> course some backlinks to show.
>>
>>
>> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>
>>> Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature 
>>> works.  Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special 
>>> tiddlers in a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up 
>>> -certainly not the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing 
>>> the "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So 
>>> what am i missing, i wonder?
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more 
>>>> final product, CleanTids.
>>>>
>>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>>>
>>>> Play and enjoy...
>>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: CleanTids

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Thanks Dave. So that was it. Always something.

Birthe
tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 14.39.26 UTC+1 skrev strikke...@gmail.com:

> @ludwa6,
> Transclude tids  w/backlinks works...but not backlinks. It gets stranger 
> and stranger.
>
> Birthe
>
> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 13.39.45 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>
>> Thanks @Birthe, but that's what i'm doing (if i understand you right) and 
>> it's not working.  On this new TiddlyHost site 
>> <https://gtd.tiddlyhost.com/> i set up for testing purposes, the default 
>> (show on startup) tiddler has a backlink, as you can see under the "Info" 
>> tab... But they don't show anywhere by default, and if you click on the 
>> "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab in sidebar, nothing happens.  I still 
>> don't get it!  
>> /walt
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 12:29:52 PM UTC strikke...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You  need to click one of the backlinks options in the sidebar. And of 
>>> course some backlinks to show.
>>>
>>>
>>> tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 12.47.47 UTC+1 skrev ludwa6:
>>>
>>>> Lovin' it, @Dave -except: i don't see how the "Backlinks" feature 
>>>> works.  Having followed the instructions and installed those 4 special 
>>>> tiddlers in a clean TW instance, i don't see any backlinks showing up 
>>>> -certainly not the way i'm used to seeing in Stroll- so of course pushing 
>>>> the "Backlinks" link under "Toggle" tab makes no difference, AFAICT.  So 
>>>> what am i missing, i wonder?
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, February 22, 2021 at 5:29:37 PM UTC David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> My experiment last night with primordial tiddlers led to this more 
>>>>> final product, CleanTids.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/cleantids.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Play and enjoy...
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Menu Bar questions

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3. How do I make an image called icon.png link to https://www.testsite.com? 

https://www.testsite.com/"; target="_blank">{{icon.png}}

tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 11.36.17 UTC+1 skrev TheScribe:

> Hi 
>
> I’ve been messing about with the idea of using Tiddlywiki as a blog. I’ve 
> managed to address several requirements over the last few days. However, I 
> have three questions that I cannot work out by myself or find information 
> on them that I understand.
>
> Firstly, I have installed the menu bar and worked out how to add pages to 
> Contents. I have also added additional categories to the bar, such as 
> About, Resources and Policies. How can I:
>
> 1. Add related tiddles to Policies (say Terms, Returns, Privacy) and 
> Resources (say Links, Tips, How To, Questions) so that they are listed and 
> clickable.
>
> 2. Make it possible to click on About and go to the page with the 
> information?
>
> My third question relates to the Top-Left-Menu plugin. I want to set this 
> up to use for social media. I can add text links without an issue, but I’d 
> like to use small linked images. I have no idea how to make an linked 
> image. The only info I found on it was in Images on the Tiddlywiki website, 
> but it made no sense to me at all. I tried all sorts of things, but was 
> unsuccessful. 
>
> 3. How do I make an image called icon.png link to https://www.testsite.com
> ?
>
> Note: The page names, image name and website are all made up.
>
> Let me know if what I’ve typed isn’t clear enough. 
>
> Kind regards
> Karen
>
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Re: [tw5] What is the best way to approach tweaking shadow tiddlers?

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Thank you Jeremy!
That is kind of funny. We are editing tiddlers day in and day out, and well 
I never saw that one.

Birthe

tirsdag den 23. februar 2021 kl. 18.26.11 UTC+1 skrev jeremy...@gmail.com:

> Just to point that there is already a fairly simple mechanism to determine 
> how an overridden shadow tiddler differs from the original shadow: edit the 
> tiddler, open the preview pane and select “differences from shadow (if 
> any)”, and you’ll see the changes marked up as in the illustration below. 
> Perhaps it would make sense to make it accessible from the tiddler info 
> panel so that one doesn’t need to edit the tiddler.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 23 Feb 2021, at 15:45, PMario  wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 4:15:42 PM UTC+1 si wrote:
>
>> >>> There are many possibilities to add elements to the different 
>> templates. .. So if you can specify, what you want to achieve, we can 
>> probably tell you if there is an easy way.
>>
>> @Mario  - Thanks. There are no doubt specific tweaks that I have made 
>> that could have been done without actually overriding any shadow tiddlers, 
>> but I'm mostly interested in how to handle this problem more generally in 
>> the cases where it is necessary to override shadow tiddlers.
>>
>
> Shadow tiddlers have been designed that way, that you can overwrite them. 
> ... BUT ... You'll have to remember it. ... Most of the time that's the 
> problem. We change something and then forget about it. 
>
> Mat is right, that there could be some improvements in the TW import / 
> upgrade mechanism. 
>
> -mario
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[tw5] Re: was MPTW ever updated to the newest version?

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@Mat,
Is that really true? Did you never use MPTW tagglytaggning. To have known 
it is to miss it. We might be able to do the same now, but with much more 
difficulty. TagglyTagging was the ease of use for newcomers and up. The 
filters, the way you could view your tiddlers. Fast and easy to use and 
enormously useful.

By the way - this may sound stupid. I know we are able to limit timeline - 
but one other plug-in I miss is Archived timeline.

Birthe

torsdag den 25. februar 2021 kl. 16.45.15 UTC+1 skrev Mat:

> hwcons...@deepsentinel.com wrote:
>
>> Is there any recent update on this?
>> MPTW with tagglyTagging is amazing useful. Can the current standard TW 
>> achieve this behavior yet?
>>
>
> What specifically in MPTW and/or specifically in TagglyTagging do you 
> refer to? MPTW was, if I recall, mostly a matter of "theme" but 
> TagglyTagging brought (many) functionality that was new. I think it 
> everything can be recreated in TW5 and the more specific you are the easier 
> it is to reply and perhaps help you to recreate it.
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Need help getting rid of iframe

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I might be totally out in the woods here, but I remember that 
http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/
 experimented with formats for the VisualEditor. The format named: 
text/x-perimental and the description: html with TW markup. 

Birthe


søndag den 28. februar 2021 kl. 04.25.58 UTC+1 skrev rpayn...@gmail.com:

> Hi All,
>
> Jeremy, you are exactly right.
> I want to remove the iframe used to display tiddlers with the type 
> "text/html".
> My client wants to be able to create/edit content using only the editor 
> for text/html.
> He finds switching the content type to “text/vnd.tiddlywiki” before saving 
> a tiddler  too burdensome.
> He has tasked me with making text/html content render without using an 
> iframe.
> I was thinking that I might be able to change the logic that picks the 
> rendering of text/html so that it uses the rendering routine used for 
> text/vnd.tiddlywiki.
> But, I have not been able to pinpoint where that happens.
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
> --Robert
> On Saturday, February 27, 2021 at 4:50:26 AM UTC-5 jeremy...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Robert, pmario
>>
>> I think Robert is talking about the iframe that is used to display 
>> tiddlers with the type “text/html”.
>>
>> The reason is that “text/html” is the content type of an entire HTML 
>> document, and the only way to reliably display an entire HTML document is 
>> an iframe.
>>
>> If your text is in fact fragments of HTML then one can usually use the 
>> native TiddlyWiki type “text/vnd.tiddlywiki” since most HTML elements are 
>> interpreted correctly by the wikitext parser. That technique doesn’t work 
>> for script tags, or event handlers, though.
>>
>> As mario says, the best approach depends what you’re trying to achieve.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On 26 Feb 2021, at 23:20, PMario  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, 
>> What do you want to achieve?
>> -m
>>
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[tw5] Re: Single File TW: Dropbox vs. "TW5 in the Sky for Dropbox"

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Hi dlh,
I am sure it was not anything you said. You are more than welcome to ask 
questions.

I am sure you know, that you can view your dropbox directories and files on 
the web, when logged in. With the app from Arlen Beiler, you are able to 
open your wiki, edit  and save it.
I used it yesterday setting up af new computer. With dropbox account 
limited to 3 devices, It did not install dropbox on this new computer. But 
I needed some of the information in one of my wikis.
Sure enough I got a mail asking if it was me logging in.

I think you should try it out yourself, just to get a feeling of how it 
works. Even if you normally work in another way it is nice to know your 
options, when needed.

Birthe
søndag den 28. februar 2021 kl. 21.21.49 UTC+1 skrev dlh...@gmail.com:

>
> Was it something I said? 🤣 
>
> Hope I didn't offend anyone asking questions about Dropbox in the 
> Tiddlywiki Google group. Just trying to learn from the experience and 
> wisdom of others using cloud storage. Mahalo.   
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 12:54:27 PM UTC-10 Dan Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'd like to better understand how to use TW with Dropbox. Currently, I'm 
>> using TiddlyDesktop (0.0.14) with a single file TW. 
>>
>> My understanding is using TW with a service like Dropbox might provide 
>> two benefits: 1) the ability to have a cloud backup of my TW, and 2) the 
>> ability to access my TW on another device (after syncing of course). 
>>
>> Assuming this is semi-correct, what's the difference between 1) saving a 
>> single file TW in a Dropbox folder and letting Dropbox do its thing, and 2) 
>> using @Arlene22's "TiddlyWiki5 in the Sky for Dropbox" 
>> ? Are there advantages and 
>> disadvantages to each approach?
>>
>> I apologize if this has already been addressed. I've tried searching the 
>> community but haven't seen/found a simple explanation on this.
>>
>> Thank you for helping a newcomer along 👍
>>
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: [Plugin announcement]: Toggle! (formerly CleanTids)

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@Mat,
Your solution works very well until the tiddler title is hidden, then we 
miss the tiddler controls.

Birthe
tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 01.24.23 UTC+1 skrev Mat:

> > My wish would be that default TWs would have the viewtoolbar invisible 
> and then visible on hover anywhere in the tiddler frame, and totally 
> disconnected from the title. But I am pretty sure that having separate 
> buttons to toggle titles and the viewtoolbar would require changing a bunch 
> of shadow tiddlers
>
> Just quickly; While the title and the toolbar are connected, their 
> visibility can be individually controlled with css. You can toggle this css 
> by e.g toggling the tag $:/tags/Stylesheet. Here's an example (not very 
> elegant but it works for your wish):
>
> .tc-tiddler-controls {visibility:hidden;}
> .tc-tiddler-view-frame:hover .tc-tiddler-controls {visibility:visible;}
>
> <:-)
>  
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:31:22 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for the encouragement.
>>
>> @Mat - 
>> 1. Thin gaps and Hide gaps are two separate on/off toggles. They control 
>> two separate stylesheets. One adjusts between TW default gap and a thinner 
>> gap, and the other between the TW default gap and no gap. But the problem 
>> is that when one is on, the other is unavailable. At some point I may 
>> research how to do a button that cycles through several options.
>> But as they stand, they conform to the idea that all of my buttons are on 
>> and off toggles.  "Subtitle: on/off." "Thin frames: on/off" . "Small 
>> titles: on/off."  Or: "What do you want to be visible in your TW?" Title, 
>> subtitle, thin frames, backlinks as transclusion, etc. That explains my 
>> labeling convention. CleanTids did have "Gaps btwn tids" but as you can see 
>> I deliberately changed it to match this labeling convention. Question of 
>> taste.
>>
>> 2. Yeah,  tiddler titles...I didn't quite understand what you were 
>> suggesting, but here is what my thought process was: the viewtoolbar is in 
>> a sense bundled with the titles into a titlebar, and I have never liked 
>> that decision, because it makes styling titles more complicated. And now 
>> obviously it also decreases the value of hiding the titlebar. My wish would 
>> be that default TWs would have the viewtoolbar invisible and then visible 
>> on hover anywhere in the tiddler frame, and totally disconnected from the 
>> title. But I am pretty sure that having separate buttons to toggle titles 
>> and the viewtoolbar would require changing a bunch of shadow tiddlers, and 
>> might conflict with users' configurations, and would require updating the 
>> plugin with every update to TiddlyWiki. That is not something I wanted to 
>> do. I opted for the simpler solution of just letting people toggle the 
>> titlebar on and off. I figure no one is going to want to hide titles all 
>> the time, they are just going to do so for certain temporary uses.
>>
>> 3. I had a similar thought. I thought about a toggle for the seamless 
>> theme (rather than a white palette), but I decided instead to keep it clean 
>> and let the user decide the palette/theme with no nudging from me. 
>> Introducing a specific palette or theme makes this seem more like an 
>> edition and less like a plugin for helping others decide what they want.
>>
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 5:40:30 AM UTC-6 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> Nice David! Some ideas/opinions:
>>>
>>> The buttons in the sidebar are (seemingly!) a mix of toggles and single 
>>> value buttons. But they are really all toggles, which is not clear. For 
>>> example, it IS clear that "Title" is a toggle because it is a single 
>>> button. But "Gaps btw tiddlers: Thin * Hide" appear to be two single 
>>> setting buttons but they are both the same toggle with different labels. 
>>> Because the results in the tiddler river is immediately visible, you might 
>>> consider decluttring such buttons to only be a single toggling button with 
>>> the description as its label. For that particular example this would mean a 
>>> button with the label "Gaps btw tiddlers" (or perhaps "Tiddler gap" or just 
>>> "Gap" perhaps next to static text saying: "between tiddlers") and the 
>>> button toggles between the values.
>>>
>>> In the same vein, instead of the label "Thin frames" it would make more 
>>> sense with "Frame thickness". Etc for a few other such toggles. I.e using 
>>> the name of the characteristics rather than the "value" of the 
>>> characteristics.
>>>
>>> Tiddler titles are often informative as headings, but not always. There 
>>> could be a small toggle next to each title to set a tag or a field. Some 
>>> stylesheet states that any tiddler with such a tag hides the title row.
>>>
>>> Even when titles should be seen, the tiddler toolbar buttons should 
>>> probably not be visible unless hovered.
>>>
>>> A palette or theme of particular interest might be one where the page 
>>> background is white or perhaps just the river background is white, i.e s

[tw5] Re: [Plugin announcement]: Toggle! (formerly CleanTids)

[strikke...@gmail.com]

@David
I used https://szenio.de/Grid/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FJJ%2Fsidecontrols, to 
have the tiddler controls vertical i the right side. Changed the stylesheet 
a bit, to make them fit in size for the small frame - and only visible when 
hovering. It works rather well, Hide the title and I can still use the 
tiddler controls. But of course they will be placed in the the same size 
and at the very top, no matter the other changes - title size and bigger 
frame.
But I do not need to be annoyed by 2click2edit. To use that I think, we 
must persuade Diego to share with us how it is done.

Birthe

tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 04.28.30 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

> Hi Mat, this snippet hides the controls in edittemplate, thus not allowing 
> me to save, close or delete tiddlers. I had to use the filter tab of 
> advanced search to delete it.
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:24:23 PM UTC-6 Mat wrote:
>
>> > My wish would be that default TWs would have the viewtoolbar invisible 
>> and then visible on hover anywhere in the tiddler frame, and totally 
>> disconnected from the title. But I am pretty sure that having separate 
>> buttons to toggle titles and the viewtoolbar would require changing a bunch 
>> of shadow tiddlers
>>
>> Just quickly; While the title and the toolbar are connected, their 
>> visibility can be individually controlled with css. You can toggle this css 
>> by e.g toggling the tag $:/tags/Stylesheet. Here's an example (not very 
>> elegant but it works for your wish):
>>
>> .tc-tiddler-controls {visibility:hidden;}
>> .tc-tiddler-view-frame:hover .tc-tiddler-controls {visibility:visible;}
>>
>> <:-)
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:31:22 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all for the encouragement.
>>>
>>> @Mat - 
>>> 1. Thin gaps and Hide gaps are two separate on/off toggles. They control 
>>> two separate stylesheets. One adjusts between TW default gap and a thinner 
>>> gap, and the other between the TW default gap and no gap. But the problem 
>>> is that when one is on, the other is unavailable. At some point I may 
>>> research how to do a button that cycles through several options.
>>> But as they stand, they conform to the idea that all of my buttons are 
>>> on and off toggles.  "Subtitle: on/off." "Thin frames: on/off" . "Small 
>>> titles: on/off."  Or: "What do you want to be visible in your TW?" Title, 
>>> subtitle, thin frames, backlinks as transclusion, etc. That explains my 
>>> labeling convention. CleanTids did have "Gaps btwn tids" but as you can see 
>>> I deliberately changed it to match this labeling convention. Question of 
>>> taste.
>>>
>>> 2. Yeah,  tiddler titles...I didn't quite understand what you were 
>>> suggesting, but here is what my thought process was: the viewtoolbar is in 
>>> a sense bundled with the titles into a titlebar, and I have never liked 
>>> that decision, because it makes styling titles more complicated. And now 
>>> obviously it also decreases the value of hiding the titlebar. My wish would 
>>> be that default TWs would have the viewtoolbar invisible and then visible 
>>> on hover anywhere in the tiddler frame, and totally disconnected from the 
>>> title. But I am pretty sure that having separate buttons to toggle titles 
>>> and the viewtoolbar would require changing a bunch of shadow tiddlers, and 
>>> might conflict with users' configurations, and would require updating the 
>>> plugin with every update to TiddlyWiki. That is not something I wanted to 
>>> do. I opted for the simpler solution of just letting people toggle the 
>>> titlebar on and off. I figure no one is going to want to hide titles all 
>>> the time, they are just going to do so for certain temporary uses.
>>>
>>> 3. I had a similar thought. I thought about a toggle for the seamless 
>>> theme (rather than a white palette), but I decided instead to keep it clean 
>>> and let the user decide the palette/theme with no nudging from me. 
>>> Introducing a specific palette or theme makes this seem more like an 
>>> edition and less like a plugin for helping others decide what they want.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 5:40:30 AM UTC-6 Mat wrote:
>>>
 Nice David! Some ideas/opinions:

 The buttons in the sidebar are (seemingly!) a mix of toggles and single 
 value buttons. But they are really all toggles, which is not clear. For 
 example, it IS clear that "Title" is a toggle because it is a single 
 button. But "Gaps btw tiddlers: Thin * Hide" appear to be two single 
 setting buttons but they are both the same toggle with different labels. 
 Because the results in the tiddler river is immediately visible, you might 
 consider decluttring such buttons to only be a single toggling button with 
 the description as its label. For that particular example this would mean 
 a 
 button with the label "Gaps btw tiddlers" (or perhaps "Tiddler gap" or 
 just 
 "Gap" perhaps next to static text saying: "between ti

[tw5] Re: Download from tiddlyspot to use in google dsrive

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Right click the link to your tiddlywiki and select save link as.
At least you will then have a local copy.


Birthe

tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 05.33.26 UTC+1 skrev gofly...@gmail.com:

> I must have an old version, the tiddlywiki I have is I believe "standard" 
> from tiddlyspot. There is no "circled tick" - as I see in a newer (?) 
> version. (see: http://heroku.rtfm.tiddlyspot.com/)  I would like to get 
> that to tiddlyhost - I have set up an account there and would like to 
> migrate it there. Any help appreciated. Thanks!
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:15:35 AM UTC-8 Mat wrote:
>
>> Are you using the regular "circled tick" download button to save it? (You 
>> should)
>>
>> If the file really *is *corrupted, you can export the tiddlers using the 
>> AdvancedSearch filter tab. The export button appears between the X and the 
>> garbage can, when you enter something into the field. 
>>
>> Note that you can't open a html file in google drive because it opens as 
>> a html text rather than being rendered.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 7:34:36 AM UTC+1 gofly...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am trying to download my tiddlywiki file from tiddlyspot and use 
>>> google drive to edit and run it. But any downloading I try it seems to get 
>>> corrupted. I get an message that says "It appears that this: "TiddlyWiki 
>>> has been incorrectly saved. Please see 
>>> http://www.tiddlywiki.com/#DownloadSoftware for details"  but that 
>>> doesn't go anywhere useful. I can't really edit or save it. Any ideas on 
>>> how to do this?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Download from tiddlyspot to use in google dsrive

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I forgot. It is a Tiddlywiki classic version 2.6.1

Birthe
tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 05.39.46 UTC+1 skrev strikke...@gmail.com:

> Right click the link to your tiddlywiki and select save link as.
> At least you will then have a local copy.
>
>
> Birthe
>
> tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 05.33.26 UTC+1 skrev gofly...@gmail.com:
>
>> I must have an old version, the tiddlywiki I have is I believe "standard" 
>> from tiddlyspot. There is no "circled tick" - as I see in a newer (?) 
>> version. (see: http://heroku.rtfm.tiddlyspot.com/)  I would like to get 
>> that to tiddlyhost - I have set up an account there and would like to 
>> migrate it there. Any help appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:15:35 AM UTC-8 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> Are you using the regular "circled tick" download button to save it? 
>>> (You should)
>>>
>>> If the file really *is *corrupted, you can export the tiddlers using 
>>> the AdvancedSearch filter tab. The export button appears between the X and 
>>> the garbage can, when you enter something into the field. 
>>>
>>> Note that you can't open a html file in google drive because it opens as 
>>> a html text rather than being rendered.
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 7:34:36 AM UTC+1 gofly...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am trying to download my tiddlywiki file from tiddlyspot and use 
>>>> google drive to edit and run it. But any downloading I try it seems to get 
>>>> corrupted. I get an message that says "It appears that this: "TiddlyWiki 
>>>> has been incorrectly saved. Please see 
>>>> http://www.tiddlywiki.com/#DownloadSoftware for details"  but that 
>>>> doesn't go anywhere useful. I can't really edit or save it. Any ideas on 
>>>> how to do this?
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing Tiddlyhost.com

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It is not possible to upload. I am sure we will be told, if that changes.

tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 05.35.15 UTC+1 skrev Sapphireslinger:

> I too would like to know if it is possible to upload an existing 
> Tiddlywiki to Tiddlyhost, because for me creating is hard enough without 
> having to log in first >_<
>
> I would like to work on my blog privately in my own computer or phone and 
> only after this important work is done, face the mental hurdle of logging 
> in to push the updated blog to Tiddlyhost. 
>
> Also tweaking a copy of something in my computer or phone before pushing 
> an acceptable update to the net doesn't make me feel like I'm going to 
> irrevocably break my blog if I try to experiment with anything.
>
> I have signed up to Tiddlyhost (private for now) but could not see any 
> button for uploading a Tiddlywiki.
>
> I only saw "Site: sapphireslinger.tiddlyhost.com" "Access: Private" 
> "Views: 0" "Settings" "Delete"
>
> How do I upload?
>
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2021 at 6:37:54 AM UTC+8 springer wrote:
>
>> Hooray, this is GREAT news!  I'm just reporting that it's working 
>> seamlessly and responsively for me so far!
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 6:48:21 PM UTC-5 SimonBaird wrote:
>>
>>> (Via 
>>> http://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/2021/02/announcing-tiddlyhostcom.html )
>>>
>>> Tiddlyhost.com is the successor to Tiddlyspot.com. I've been working 
>>> hard on it since early January and I'm really happy with the progress. It's 
>>> pretty new, and still in development, but I feel like it's ready for some 
>>> kind of launch.
>>>
>>> Unlike Tiddlyspot, Tiddlyhost:
>>> * Is secure
>>> * Has a password recovery mechanism
>>> * Supports TiddlyWiki5
>>> * Is fully open source
>>> * Let's you share and discover TiddlyWiki sites
>>>
>>> If that sounds good, please sign up at https://tiddlyhost.com/ and give 
>>> it a try.
>>>
>>> If you have suggestions or experience problems, please file an issue 
>>> [1]. See also the code [2] and the FAQ [3].
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/issues
>>> [2] https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/
>>> [3] https://github.com/simonbaird/tiddlyhost/wiki/FAQ
>>>
>>>
>>> -Simon
>>>
>>> Ps, a few notes:
>>> * As mentioned, Tiddlyhost is new and in development. I can't guarantee 
>>> there won't be problems. It would be wise to download your site once in a 
>>> while just in case something goes terribly wrong and your data gets lost.
>>> * Please be nice. For example don't upload your entire photo collection, 
>>> or generate a ton of spammy content.
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Download from tiddlyspot to use in google dsrive

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There is a Group for Tiddlywiki Classic 
<https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikiclassic> There is also an update to 
old wikis and that might be an idea to make at least something easier. 

Hope you find a way,

Birthe

tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 05.46.18 UTC+1 skrev gofly...@gmail.com:

> Yes, that is what I have done, I do have a local copy. That copy does not 
> play nicely with google drive -I'd like to have a copy on the web to edit 
> as I have different laptops and am at different locations at times. There 
> is no upload to the new iddlyhost.com site.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 8:39 PM strikke...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Right click the link to your tiddlywiki and select save link as.
>> At least you will then have a local copy.
>>
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 05.33.26 UTC+1 skrev gofly...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> I must have an old version, the tiddlywiki I have is I believe 
>>> "standard" from tiddlyspot. There is no "circled tick" - as I see in a 
>>> newer (?) version. (see: http://heroku.rtfm.tiddlyspot.com/)  I would 
>>> like to get that to tiddlyhost - I have set up an account there and would 
>>> like to migrate it there. Any help appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 3:15:35 AM UTC-8 Mat wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you using the regular "circled tick" download button to save it? 
>>>> (You should)
>>>>
>>>> If the file really *is *corrupted, you can export the tiddlers using 
>>>> the AdvancedSearch filter tab. The export button appears between the X and 
>>>> the garbage can, when you enter something into the field. 
>>>>
>>>> Note that you can't open a html file in google drive because it opens 
>>>> as a html text rather than being rendered.
>>>>
>>>> <:-)
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 7:34:36 AM UTC+1 gofly...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to download my tiddlywiki file from tiddlyspot and use 
>>>>> google drive to edit and run it. But any downloading I try it seems to 
>>>>> get 
>>>>> corrupted. I get an message that says "It appears that this: "TiddlyWiki 
>>>>> has been incorrectly saved. Please see 
>>>>> http://www.tiddlywiki.com/#DownloadSoftware for details"  but that 
>>>>> doesn't go anywhere useful. I can't really edit or save it. Any ideas on 
>>>>> how to do this?
>>>>
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[tw5] Re: [Plugin announcement]: Toggle! (formerly CleanTids)

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As mentioned above, I use Jans sidecontrols plugin. It consists of a 
ViewTemplate, EditTemplate and a stylesheet tiddler.[image: Skærmbillede på 
2021-03-02 04-43-52.png]
But the size and place is the same, no matter title, titlesize, or frame.

Birthe
tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 14.42.14 UTC+1 skrev Mat:

> David Gifford wrote:
>
>> @Mat: I think the answer is, I will need to create a separate tiddler 
>> with the viewtoolbar elements in it, wrap it in a special class, and make 
>> that class visible in the top right corner of the tiddler on hovering 
>> anywhere in a tiddler. That will involve layers of things I don't know how 
>> to do yet. But when I get time to investigate that later this week, I will 
>> try that.
>>
>
> I don't think you need to create any separate tiddler, at least if it is 
> sufficient to toggle a stylesheet. You can css target the title and/or the 
> toolbar separately even when they're in the same tiddler/viewtemplate. 
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing Tiddlyhost.com

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Eskha,
If you look athttps://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/empty.html You will also 
find the plgin library empty.

Birthe

tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 15.51.16 UTC+1 skrev Eskha:

> Hello Simon,
>
> Thank you for creating Tiddlyhost.
>
> It seems that the plugin library does not work: when selecting  "Get more 
> plugins" then " open plugin library" all the tabs are displaying (0) 
> elements.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eskha
> Le mardi 2 mars 2021 à 14:06:48 UTC+1, PMario a écrit :
>
>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 2:01:53 PM UTC+1 Sapphireslinger wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> SimonBaird,
>>>
>>> Thank you for creating Tiddlyhost!
>>>
>>
>> +1
>> -m
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Reminder: 2click2edit - Convert to Triple Click

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Thank you so much for your clear instruction. It works wonder.

Birthe

tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 16.19.59 UTC+1 skrev dieg...@gmail.com:

> Hello all,
>
> I originally posted about this here 
> , 
> but thought it was worth sharing again. You can easily edit Danielo's 
> excellent 2click2edit plugin to make it triple-click to edit by doing the 
> following:
>
>
> If you just navigate to and edit this tiddler: 
>
> $:/plugins/danielo515/2click2edit/ClickListener.js
>
> go to line 36 which reads: 
>
> parent.addEventListener("dblclick",function(event){self.editTiddler.call(
> self,event)});
>
> *REPLACE* that line with the following text:
>
> parent.addEventListener('click', function (event) { if (event.detail === 3
> ) {self.editTiddler.call(self,event);} });
>
> Save that tiddler, and save/reload your wiki - you now have triple click 
> instead of double click. 
>
> Best,
> Diego
>

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[tw5] Re: was MPTW ever updated to the newest version?

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Tony,
Hm. Nice to know. Maybe I will be able to some day, hopefully without using 
hours or days.

Birthe
tirsdag den 2. marts 2021 kl. 21.15.12 UTC+1 skrev TW Tones:

> Birthe,
>
> I totally support Mats position on MPTW and tagglytagging. When moving to 
> TW5 I too felt as "S." asked, but MPTW actually becomes almost irrelevant 
> with TW5, 
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Saturday, 27 February 2021 at 15:39:13 UTC+11 strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Mat,
>> Is that really true? Did you never use MPTW tagglytaggning. To have known 
>> it is to miss it. We might be able to do the same now, but with much more 
>> difficulty. TagglyTagging was the ease of use for newcomers and up. The 
>> filters, the way you could view your tiddlers. Fast and easy to use and 
>> enormously useful.
>>
>> By the way - this may sound stupid. I know we are able to limit timeline 
>> - but one other plug-in I miss is Archived timeline.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> torsdag den 25. februar 2021 kl. 16.45.15 UTC+1 skrev Mat:
>>
>>> hwcons...@deepsentinel.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there any recent update on this?
>>>> MPTW with tagglyTagging is amazing useful. Can the current standard TW 
>>>> achieve this behavior yet?
>>>>
>>>
>>> What specifically in MPTW and/or specifically in TagglyTagging do you 
>>> refer to? MPTW was, if I recall, mostly a matter of "theme" but 
>>> TagglyTagging brought (many) functionality that was new. I think it 
>>> everything can be recreated in TW5 and the more specific you are the easier 
>>> it is to reply and perhaps help you to recreate it.
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Fiddlywiki still around?

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Are you asking about this 
https://way.net/FiddlyWiki/FiddlyWiki.html#CurrentVersion ?

if so it is rather old, but I do remember it.

Birthe

onsdag den 3. marts 2021 kl. 00.42.09 UTC+1 skrev ooc...@gmail.com:

> Is fiddlywiki still around? I logged onto the site and it seems 
> interesting albeit outdated I think. I wonder what makes it a writing wiki?
>
> OOC
>

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[tw5] Re: Two requests for Toggle!

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Dave,
Earlier today I tried to edit a plugin tiddler with a rather long title.. 
In fact the title nearly covered the tiddler controls. The problems gets 
worse if the size is toggled (Bigger).

I have tried to find out why the more drop-down behaves like you describe. 
I have the tiddler controls vertical, and do not have that problem in my 
copy of your wiki.
Also I do not have the problem with long titles and editing in my copy 
either. (The position of the tiddler controls is the only difference that I 
am aware of.)

Birthe


onsdag den 3. marts 2021 kl. 00.59.43 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

>
> Hi everyone
>
> There are still two nagging things I want fixed for my Toggle! plugin, but 
> I don't know how to do either.
>
> 1. I made progress on adding the viewtoolbars even when there is no 
> visible sidebar. Thanks to a suggestion from Birthe, I used the 
> sidecontrols plugin and modified it in a number of ways. You can see the 
> results here: https://giffmex.org/experiments/toggleplus.html
>
> However, if you click on the more menu of the top tiddler, you will see 
> that the dropdown is in front of that tiddler, but behind the other 
> tiddlers. I am wondering how I can fix that. Then the viewtoolbars part 
> will be complete.
>
> 2. I have a section in the Toggle! tab: 
>
> *Gaps btwn tiddlers:* Thin ♦ Hide.  
>
> Both 'Thin' and 'Hide' are individual on/off buttons. But they create 
> confusion, because if either one is on, the other can't be applied. If 
> 'Thin' gaps is applied, you can't turn on 'Hide' gaps.
>
> I would like to have a chooser similar in look to the Fixed/fluid, with 
> three options: default gap size between tiddlers, thin gap size between 
> tiddlers, hide gaps between tiddlers. Default would remove the 
> $:/tags/Stylesheet tag from the two stylesheets. Thin would add the tag to 
> the thin stylesheet and remove it from hide stylesheet. Hide would add the 
> tag to the hide stylesheet, and remove it from the thin stylesheet.
>
> Any love I can get on either of these will make me very grateful. This 
> will make this plugin much better. Thanks in advance, Dave
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two requests for Toggle!

[strikke...@gmail.com]

David,
Even better - as I wrote I tried the long title earlier today. Now I found 
that you have nailed that problem in your latest incarnation.

Birthe
onsdag den 3. marts 2021 kl. 01.24.46 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

> Birthe, Could you include an image of what is happening when editing with 
> a long title?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 6:21 PM strikke...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> Earlier today I tried to edit a plugin tiddler with a rather long title.. 
>> In fact the title nearly covered the tiddler controls. The problems gets 
>> worse if the size is toggled (Bigger).
>>
>> I have tried to find out why the more drop-down behaves like you 
>> describe. I have the tiddler controls vertical, and do not have that 
>> problem in my copy of your wiki.
>> Also I do not have the problem with long titles and editing in my copy 
>> either. (The position of the tiddler controls is the only difference that I 
>> am aware of.)
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>>
>> onsdag den 3. marts 2021 kl. 00.59.43 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> There are still two nagging things I want fixed for my Toggle! plugin, 
>>> but I don't know how to do either.
>>>
>>> 1. I made progress on adding the viewtoolbars even when there is no 
>>> visible sidebar. Thanks to a suggestion from Birthe, I used the 
>>> sidecontrols plugin and modified it in a number of ways. You can see the 
>>> results here: https://giffmex.org/experiments/toggleplus.html
>>>
>>> However, if you click on the more menu of the top tiddler, you will see 
>>> that the dropdown is in front of that tiddler, but behind the other 
>>> tiddlers. I am wondering how I can fix that. Then the viewtoolbars part 
>>> will be complete.
>>>
>>> 2. I have a section in the Toggle! tab: 
>>>
>>> *Gaps btwn tiddlers:* Thin ♦ Hide.  
>>>
>>> Both 'Thin' and 'Hide' are individual on/off buttons. But they create 
>>> confusion, because if either one is on, the other can't be applied. If 
>>> 'Thin' gaps is applied, you can't turn on 'Hide' gaps.
>>>
>>> I would like to have a chooser similar in look to the Fixed/fluid, with 
>>> three options: default gap size between tiddlers, thin gap size between 
>>> tiddlers, hide gaps between tiddlers. Default would remove the 
>>> $:/tags/Stylesheet tag from the two stylesheets. Thin would add the tag to 
>>> the thin stylesheet and remove it from hide stylesheet. Hide would add the 
>>> tag to the hide stylesheet, and remove it from the thin stylesheet.
>>>
>>> Any love I can get on either of these will make me very grateful. This 
>>> will make this plugin much better. Thanks in advance, Dave
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Two requests for Toggle!

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Maybe I should mention that I reused the buttons: $:/core/ui/Buttons/theme, 
$:/core/ui/Buttons/storyview and $:/core/ui/Buttons/palette for the 
aesthetics section. Now that we can do all the other stuff from the same 
place.

Birthe

onsdag den 3. marts 2021 kl. 01.39.07 UTC+1 skrev strikke...@gmail.com:

> David,
> Even better - as I wrote I tried the long title earlier today. Now I found 
> that you have nailed that problem in your latest incarnation.
>
> Birthe
> onsdag den 3. marts 2021 kl. 01.24.46 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>
>> Birthe, Could you include an image of what is happening when editing with 
>> a long title?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 6:21 PM strikke...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave,
>>> Earlier today I tried to edit a plugin tiddler with a rather long 
>>> title.. In fact the title nearly covered the tiddler controls. The problems 
>>> gets worse if the size is toggled (Bigger).
>>>
>>> I have tried to find out why the more drop-down behaves like you 
>>> describe. I have the tiddler controls vertical, and do not have that 
>>> problem in my copy of your wiki.
>>> Also I do not have the problem with long titles and editing in my copy 
>>> either. (The position of the tiddler controls is the only difference that I 
>>> am aware of.)
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>>
>>> onsdag den 3. marts 2021 kl. 00.59.43 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>
>>>> There are still two nagging things I want fixed for my Toggle! plugin, 
>>>> but I don't know how to do either.
>>>>
>>>> 1. I made progress on adding the viewtoolbars even when there is no 
>>>> visible sidebar. Thanks to a suggestion from Birthe, I used the 
>>>> sidecontrols plugin and modified it in a number of ways. You can see the 
>>>> results here: https://giffmex.org/experiments/toggleplus.html
>>>>
>>>> However, if you click on the more menu of the top tiddler, you will see 
>>>> that the dropdown is in front of that tiddler, but behind the other 
>>>> tiddlers. I am wondering how I can fix that. Then the viewtoolbars part 
>>>> will be complete.
>>>>
>>>> 2. I have a section in the Toggle! tab: 
>>>>
>>>> *Gaps btwn tiddlers:* Thin ♦ Hide.  
>>>>
>>>> Both 'Thin' and 'Hide' are individual on/off buttons. But they create 
>>>> confusion, because if either one is on, the other can't be applied. If 
>>>> 'Thin' gaps is applied, you can't turn on 'Hide' gaps.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to have a chooser similar in look to the Fixed/fluid, with 
>>>> three options: default gap size between tiddlers, thin gap size between 
>>>> tiddlers, hide gaps between tiddlers. Default would remove the 
>>>> $:/tags/Stylesheet tag from the two stylesheets. Thin would add the tag to 
>>>> the thin stylesheet and remove it from hide stylesheet. Hide would add the 
>>>> tag to the hide stylesheet, and remove it from the thin stylesheet.
>>>>
>>>> Any love I can get on either of these will make me very grateful. This 
>>>> will make this plugin much better. Thanks in advance, Dave
>>>>
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[tw5] Re: Athens: a VC backed, open-source Roam competitor

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@Dave
I haven't seen anybody discussing the $ made from any of the companies 
using backlinks. Most here does not deny that backlinks are useful for some 
purposes. I think it is mostly the massive coverage of backlinks as the new 
and absolutely most important thing in note taking...that is discussed. The 
massive coverage of course has to do with budgets for advertising. The more 
it is advertised the more people will discuss the possibilities and use 
what is on offer.

Your Stroll opened my eyes for backlinks - that is to use them more. But 
still a person using TIddlywiki and loving it would hardly be envious of 
something else. Using a tiddlywiki with someone elses creation/creations, 
we are still able to add our own, when we want it, ask if we cannot quite 
do it on our own - and have a high chance of getting friendly help. That 
really beats them all for me.

I do love my local single file TW5, but I understand that cloud is popular 
and useful, and that has to be paid for naturally.

Birthe


torsdag den 4. marts 2021 kl. 14.28.52 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

> This whole thread feels like people complaining that Roam, and now Athens, 
> are making $ from bi-directional links, and we aren't, even though 
> TiddlyWiki has had them all along, and then to throw the baby out with the 
> bathwater, they are dumping on bi-directional links themselves, as if they 
> were bad and useless. Even a hipster comment like "I was using backlinks 
> before they were cool" would be more mature than that. Sorry to step on any 
> toes, but that's the most obvious way to read most of the comments in this 
> thread.
>
> In my case, I use bi-directional links to move quickly between source 
> tiddlers, note tiddlers and topic tiddlers in my reading notes TWs. And 
> since I have new-here-with-backlink buttons that add some of that 
> automatically, it saves me a lot of time.  Very helpful. The way Roam used 
> bi-directional links opened my eyes to that possibility. I don't find the 
> visual graphs in Roam helpful, but many do, and Roam's bi-directional links 
> make them happen. And TW has the TiddlyMap that can do the same thing. So 
> that is another benefit.
>
> Let's get back to the positive...
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 3:25:58 PM UTC-6 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> A YC (venture capital firm) backed open-source Roam alternative launched 
>> today on HackerNews: 
>>
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26316793
>>
>> Some relevant parts of the announcement (my opinion only):
>>
>>
>>- Athens is an open-source and local-first alternative to Roam 
>>Research. Roam Research is a notetaking application, and *what they 
>>really got right was the "bidirectional link."*
>>- With bidirectional links, you never have to worry about where you 
>>write a note. Bidirectional links allow you to connect any two notes 
>>together, creating a knowledge graph. 
>>- This is why Athens is about more than just notetaking. *I believe 
>>networked applications with bidirectional links and data could become a 
>> new 
>>category itself.*
>>- Of course, this *bidirectional idea isn't new*. In fact, it goes as 
>>far back as the origin of the Web. It's the original concept of hypertext 
>>and Xanadu, which Ted Nelson has been advocating for decades. More 
>>recently, aspects of it were attempted by the Semantic Web. *Yet the 
>>adoption never really caught on, until perhaps now.*
>>- Something else that's interesting about the most powerful networked 
>>tools like Roam and Athens is t*hat you can't really make these apps 
>>with JavaScript or plaintext/markdown.* *For maximum power, you want 
>>a true graph database*. Both Roam and Athens leverage a front-end 
>>graph database called DataScript, which is written in Clojure(Script). 
>>JavaScript doesn't have a native analog, and Neo4j is only server-side. 
>> *This 
>>matters because I believe this is the first consumer use case for graph 
>>databases*. I believe both Roam and Athens are general-purpose 
>>platforms where individuals and organizations can centralize all of their 
>>knowledge and tasks. I believe the graph is the right data structure to 
>> do 
>>this with.
>>
>>
>> I find this fascination with bi-directional links without a huge mention 
>> of TW slightly frustrating. 
>>
>> Also, his point about a graph database is an interesting one to consider. 
>>
>> What are your thoughts?
>>
>> Diego
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to embed a tiddler(s) inside a gmail message

[strikke...@gmail.com]

TT,
Do you have any links for that - for the newbies and the sleepy old timers.

Birthe

fredag den 5. marts 2021 kl. 11.40.08 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:

> Ciao Mat,
>
> Where have you been sleeping? It has been done already. 
> Your mate Jed did it. 
> Riz did it.
>
> MY point in this thread was really, COLLECTIVELY, we could much better 
> document how to email and social network post.
>
> But YOUR OP is about HTML/CSS inserts first. That is more tight.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>
> Euthymious wrote:
>>
>>> Should the next mission be sending mail from inside the TW?
>>
>>  
> Mat wrote: 
>
>> That would be cool. Sending off a tiddler. 
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin new release 2.2.0

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Mohammad,
Dragging $:/config/KookmaPluginLibrary 
 
into my wiki, empty, no plugins.

Birthe

fredag den 5. marts 2021 kl. 17.23.31 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:

> Hi Damon,
>  Please let me know how you install the new version! is it through Kookma 
> library or by drag and drop?
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM History Buff  wrote:
>
>> Hey Mohammad,
>>
>> Great work on the pagination for dynamic tables! I love it. So far it 
>> works great, and I haven't found any issues.
>>
>> However, in the process of upgrading I noticed that your plugin library 
>> seems to be not working. All of my TW projects show that there are no 
>> plugins in the library and no upgrades available. Is it just me?
>>
>> Damon
>>
>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 2:06:23 PM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Shiraz plugin has just got a new update!
>>>
>>> Shiraz is a small framework of stylesheets, templates and macros to 
>>> create stylish contents in Tiddlywiki. Shiraz has customized elements like 
>>> alerts, cards, panels, images, static tables, dynamic tables, badges, 
>>> texts, etc. Shiraz uses some modified CSS classes from Bootstrap 4.3.1.
>>>
>>> Code and demo
>>>
>>>- Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz
>>>- Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>>>
>>> *It is highly recommended to backup your data before trying any new 
>>> plugin! Do it before installing shiraz*.
>>>
>>> Revision 2.2.0
>>>
>>>- Date: [3rd Mar 2021]
>>>- [FIXED] updated to TW 5.1.23
>>>- [NEW] the new pagination feature for dynamic tables
>>>- [NEW] the tbl-clone special column is used by default in table 
>>>edit mode
>>>- [NEW] documentation for pagination was added
>>>- [NEW] details macro got new input parameters label, srcClass and 
>>>sumClass added and style and sum were dropped
>>>
>>> Nice to see goodies like
>>>
>>>
>>>- https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#demo%2Fadvanced%2Fdetails-faqs
>>>- https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#demo%2Fadvanced%2Fslider-faqs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you like it star it at https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz plugin new release 2.2.0

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Thank you, Mohammad,
Your plugin library works.

Birthe

fredag den 5. marts 2021 kl. 18.08.18 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:

> Birthe,
>
>  The kookma plugin library is up and working again! (Fri Mar 5th, 2021)
>  Please check your installation again and let me know if there is any 
> problem.
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 7:59 PM strikke...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>> Dragging $:/config/KookmaPluginLibrary 
>> <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#%24%3A%2Fconfig%2FKookmaPluginLibrary> 
>> into my wiki, empty, no plugins.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> fredag den 5. marts 2021 kl. 17.23.31 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>>
>>> Hi Damon,
>>>  Please let me know how you install the new version! is it through 
>>> Kookma library or by drag and drop?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM History Buff  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Mohammad,
>>>>
>>>> Great work on the pagination for dynamic tables! I love it. So far it 
>>>> works great, and I haven't found any issues.
>>>>
>>>> However, in the process of upgrading I noticed that your plugin library 
>>>> seems to be not working. All of my TW projects show that there are no 
>>>> plugins in the library and no upgrades available. Is it just me?
>>>>
>>>> Damon
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 2:06:23 PM UTC-7 Mohammad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Shiraz plugin has just got a new update!
>>>>>
>>>>> Shiraz is a small framework of stylesheets, templates and macros to 
>>>>> create stylish contents in Tiddlywiki. Shiraz has customized elements 
>>>>> like 
>>>>> alerts, cards, panels, images, static tables, dynamic tables, badges, 
>>>>> texts, etc. Shiraz uses some modified CSS classes from Bootstrap 4.3.1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Code and demo
>>>>>
>>>>>- Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz
>>>>>- Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>>>>>
>>>>> *It is highly recommended to backup your data before trying any new 
>>>>> plugin! Do it before installing shiraz*.
>>>>>
>>>>> Revision 2.2.0
>>>>>
>>>>>- Date: [3rd Mar 2021]
>>>>>- [FIXED] updated to TW 5.1.23
>>>>>- [NEW] the new pagination feature for dynamic tables
>>>>>- [NEW] the tbl-clone special column is used by default in table 
>>>>>edit mode
>>>>>- [NEW] documentation for pagination was added
>>>>>- [NEW] details macro got new input parameters label, srcClass and 
>>>>>sumClass added and style and sum were dropped
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice to see goodies like
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>- 
>>>>>https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#demo%2Fadvanced%2Fdetails-faqs
>>>>>- https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/#demo%2Fadvanced%2Fslider-faqs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you like it star it at https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Mohammad
>>>>>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyStretch: stretchtext in TiddlyWiki

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Thomas Elmiger created TextStretch 
 named so, due to Mats former 
creation - and later Strex for the ease og use.

lørdag den 6. marts 2021 kl. 09.12.26 UTC+1 skrev Mat:

> One of my earlier plugins
>
> http://stretchtext.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> <:-)
>
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 4:52:57 AM UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> I've been playing with Ted Nelson's stretchtext 
>>  idea lately. The gist is 
>> that you can expand and shrink text to a desired level of detail in place – 
>> so it's kind of a middle ground between linking and straight transclusion. 
>> In TW, I implement each fragment of stretchtext as a tiddler, where the 
>> *description* field contains a summary and the *text* field contains the 
>> full level of detail.
>>
>> You can easily expand on this in a couple ways – you can change the 
>> fields used, or you can instead render the tiddler through a pair of 
>> arbitrary templates, one for the summary and one for the expanded version. 
>> You can create multi-level stretchtext by using more stretchtext macros 
>> within the first level of tiddlers. I also have a *stretch-links* macro 
>> that works like *list-links*, but instead of just linking to relevant 
>> tiddlers, it makes them expandable within the current tiddler.
>>
>> Here's an example:
>>
>> [image: stretchtext-screenshot.png]
>> And a couple more examples in my Zettelkasten 
>> 
>>  (permaview).
>>
>> If this sounds interesting, check out the prototype TiddlyStretch plugin 
>> at https://sobjornstad.github.io/tiddlystretch/ and let me know what you 
>> think!
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: No menubar documentation?

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The Menu Bar plugin has a readme and a config tab.

Birthe


lørdag den 6. marts 2021 kl. 15.57.56 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

> Hi all
>
> Just wanted to point out that on tiddlywiki.com when you search for 
> menubar or top menu, nothing comes up. That would be VERY frustrating to 
> anyone trying to see how to add that to their wiki. Can someone who does 
> GitHub please add something there, even if just a pull request for someone 
> to add a tiddler or two on how to add it and how to add items to it? Thanks!
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[tw5] Re: No menubar documentation?

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David,
i see. Absolutely correct. It is kind of when a newbie wonders why the 
TableOfContent is not in empty.

Birthe

lørdag den 6. marts 2021 kl. 20.21.12 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

> Yes, Birthe, but a visitor seeing the menubar in tiddlywiki.com won't 
> know they have to go to the advanced controls > plugins > get more plugins 
> > menubar plugin. They are just going to see the blue bar, think, That's 
> cool, and assume they can do a search to find out how to add it.
>
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 1:10:55 PM UTC-6 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Menu Bar plugin has a readme and a config tab.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>>
>> lørdag den 6. marts 2021 kl. 15.57.56 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Just wanted to point out that on tiddlywiki.com when you search for 
>>> menubar or top menu, nothing comes up. That would be VERY frustrating to 
>>> anyone trying to see how to add that to their wiki. Can someone who does 
>>> GitHub please add something there, even if just a pull request for someone 
>>> to add a tiddler or two on how to add it and how to add items to it? Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Using TW html file on Chrome & Firefox - Problem

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Mark,
You will still need to install it somewhere. a synced cloud folder, 
external drive or local folder. The download is an exe file - and even 
explained that it does not install into the Windows environment, I doubt 
your workplace would like it.

Birthe

lørdag den 6. marts 2021 kl. 20.09.19 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:

> Stan, thanks for the suggestion!
>
> So, I can run PortableApps program on my work laptop without installing 
> it? Then within it, install Firefox? If so, then it should work.
>
> Mark
>
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 5:14:04 AM UTC-8 stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Mark, you might want to check out https://portableapps.com for 
>> starters.   I don't use it anymore, but used the system years ago with 
>> great success. 
>>
>> Stan
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:46:23 PM UTC-5 sreb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Due to security concerns at my work, I can't install any programs that 
>>> require installing from an .exe file. Can only 'install' so called 
>>> 'portable apps' that just need me to unzip a file somewhere on computer 
>>> drive.  So, unless there's a portable version of FF to install, I can't use 
>>> it on my work laptop. Hence, idea to use Chrome on MBP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Using TW html file on Chrome & Firefox - Problem

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Mark,
Are you sure it would be okay to use a USB flash drive, I know many 
companies do not allow it.
I do realise of course that would be a handy solution.

Also I think the probability is, that it is your tiddlywiki that is giving 
the javascript error. I have seen that same error several times through the 
years. 
I got them after editing a plugin or something. You do not notice until 
having saved and refresh the wiki.
Now is it possible, you saved your wiki and send it to your mail. Only when 
you opened it again, you saw the error. If that is the case, you would have 
the same error, when trying to open the same wiki on you  home computer.

Birthe
lørdag den 6. marts 2021 kl. 23.22.04 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:

> Birthe, thank you for your input.yes, if download is exe file, then 
> probably won't work. I usually get an error message window pop up when I 
> try that says, I need to enter an admin passwork, which only our IT guys 
> have.
>
> Stan, thanks, I can try running off of USB flash drive. I do know that 
> when you insert a flash drive, it pops up a window saying that if you try 
> to copy anything to the drive, it will automatically encrypt your 
> drivebut don't know if it will let me run an app off of it
>
> Mark S, thank you for your inputI only save TW file by clicking on the 
> checkmark icon in TW.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 12:22:44 PM UTC-8 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> The part I'm not seeing in your description is how you saved in the first 
>> place. If you used "ctl-s" or the "save" button of your browser, then you 
>> will not have a working TW file.
>>
>> Some other Mark
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Using TW html file on Chrome & Firefox - Problem

[strikke...@gmail.com]

;>> As I noted in my previous post, when you insert a USB flash drive in 
>>>>>>> work computer, a window opens with message that drive will be encrypted 
>>>>>>> with a password needed, if you try to copy any files from computer to 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> flash drive. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the past, I was able to copy files from flash drive to my 
>>>>>>> computer. Don't know if this is still true, as I have not tried this in 
>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>> long time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, don't know for sure what will happen if I try to run portableapp 
>>>>>>> from flash drive, will have to try and see what happens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just installed Chrome browser now on my home MacBookPro and the TW 
>>>>>>> file opened up OK. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, if I don't get situation fixed on work computer, then I probably 
>>>>>>> will use Chrome at home (thereby matching Chrome on work computer) and 
>>>>>>> avoiding any incompatibility issues from using different browsers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile, just checked TW file that I modified on MacBookPro with 
>>>>>>> Firefox before emailing to myself at work computer Wednesday evening.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Per TW tutorial video, I did create a new tiddler with a tag 
>>>>>>> "$:/tags/Sidebar and in the type field, selected "text/x-markdown" and 
>>>>>>> below that in fields put "list-before" and to the right of that 
>>>>>>> "$:/core/ui/SideBar/Open". The idea was to create a new tab in in the 
>>>>>>> right 
>>>>>>> hand side pane called 'Content'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could this cause issue with file on my work computer or is it more 
>>>>>>> likely problem is due to using two different browsers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 3:17:25 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>> Are you sure it would be okay to use a USB flash drive, I know many 
>>>>>>>> companies do not allow it.
>>>>>>>> I do realise of course that would be a handy solution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also I think the probability is, that it is your tiddlywiki that is 
>>>>>>>> giving the javascript error. I have seen that same error several times 
>>>>>>>> through the years. 
>>>>>>>> I got them after editing a plugin or something. You do not notice 
>>>>>>>> until having saved and refresh the wiki.
>>>>>>>> Now is it possible, you saved your wiki and send it to your mail. 
>>>>>>>> Only when you opened it again, you saw the error. If that is the case, 
>>>>>>>> you 
>>>>>>>> would have the same error, when trying to open the same wiki on you  
>>>>>>>> home 
>>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Birthe
>>>>>>>> lørdag den 6. marts 2021 kl. 23.22.04 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Birthe, thank you for your input.yes, if download is exe file, 
>>>>>>>>> then probably won't work. I usually get an error message window pop 
>>>>>>>>> up when 
>>>>>>>>> I try that says, I need to enter an admin passwork, which only our IT 
>>>>>>>>> guys 
>>>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stan, thanks, I can try running off of USB flash drive. I do know 
>>>>>>>>> that when you insert a flash drive, it pops up a window saying that 
>>>>>>>>> if you 
>>>>>>>>> try to copy anything to the drive, it will automatically encrypt your 
>>>>>>>>> drivebut don't know if it will let me run an app off of it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark S, thank you for your inputI only save TW file by 
>>>>>>>>> clicking on the checkmark icon in TW.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 12:22:44 PM UTC-8 Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The part I'm not seeing in your description is how you saved in 
>>>>>>>>>> the first place. If you used "ctl-s" or the "save" button of your 
>>>>>>>>>> browser, 
>>>>>>>>>> then you will not have a working TW file.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some other Mark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Using TW html file on Chrome & Firefox - Problem

[strikke...@gmail.com]

I will first admit, that I have never used tiddlypouch. I am sure you have 
a reason. I just wonder - because due to your sending your wiki pr. mail to 
yourself, I was sure you were using a singlefile tiddlywiki.
I have only heard of tiddlypouch before in relation to Danielo's 
NoteSelfbut that might be my mistake.
The fact, that you are not able to start your wiki up - make me think of, 
what Danielo himself called the chicken and egg problem... in the 
discussion here: 
https://forum.noteself.org/t/installing-the-plugins-on-an-existing-tw/24/8


mandag den 8. marts 2021 kl. 22.25.59 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:

> Thanks, Birthe
>
> Here's what it says:
>
> DevTools failed to load SourceMap: 
> Could not load content for 
> file:///P:/Wiki/maps/danielo515/tiddlypouch/boot/tpouch-boot.js.map: 
> System error: 
> net::ERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 12:25:53 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good that you send the last screenshot. The last partstarting with 
>> the yellow triangel. refering to danielo/tiddlypouch.something. Sorry I 
>> am not really able to read it, but I am sure someone will know what to do.
>>
>>
>>
>> mandag den 8. marts 2021 kl. 20.50.19 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> Thank you, Charlie and (Other) Mark !
>>>
>>> Yes, it's possible my computer has some security settings, given the 
>>> ultra high level of security IT tries to maintain at work.
>>>
>>> Good idea of comparing files side-by-side and check differences.
>>>
>>> And agree, Mark S. that it's likely a plugin.and I may have 
>>> installed the encrypt plugin, will have to checkif so, I can delete it 
>>> tonight when I get home and resend it to my work computer and try again 
>>> tomorrow morning
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I looked at the Console pane again and noticed that I had not 
>>> opened up the first error message when I took the snapshot. So, here's a 
>>> new screenshot that shows a line of text under the heading 'Script Error'. 
>>> Don't know if this helpsbut just in case
>>>
>>> [image: Marks-TiddlyWiki-Error-03-08-21.png]
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:55:48 AM UTC-8 Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems to be happening while loading plugins, which suggests that it 
>>>> might be one of your plugins causing problems.
>>>>
>>>> Are you using Danielo's encrypt plugin by any chance? There's some 
>>>> suggestion that it might be that plugin that is causing the problem. I 
>>>> don't believe that that plugin has been updated in a while.
>>>>
>>>> (Other) Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:26:51 AM UTC-8 sreb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oops..thanks for catching this...
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's another screenshot. Think this one should be more helpful!
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Marks-TiddlyWiki-Error-03-08-21.png]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 9:45:30 AM UTC-8 Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You already have your developer's toolbar open. If you click on 
>>>>>> "console" it might (might!) give some hints where the problem is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 9:27:01 AM UTC-8 sreb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back at work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, tried to open the TW file that I re-sent myself from my 
>>>>>>> MacBookPro last evening.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, get same error as before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's what I get and showing other info about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Marks-TW-Error-03-08-21.png]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 6:26:21 PM UTC-8 ArchiMark wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Also I think the probability is, that it is your tiddlywiki that 
>>>>>>>> is giving the javascript error. I have seen that same error several 
>>>>>>>> times 
>>>>>>>> through the years. 
>>>>>>>> I got 

[tw5] Re: Using TW html file on Chrome & Firefox - Problem

[strikke...@gmail.com]

I really believe the problem for you right now is Noteself and tiddlypouch. 
As I remember it, it was original built to be run from Danielos original 
logging into your own database. Rebuild later for people to run their own 
nodejs wikis. It might have changed since then.
Now as you suggest you could start a new wiki and import the other plugins 
you like, and your own tiddlers. Saving is another question, are you able 
to install browser extension on you workplace browser? If it is possible I 
admit my favourite is Timimi. (lovely backups too!)

Birthe

tirsdag den 9. marts 2021 kl. 00.26.33 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:

> Since I am at work, I decided to go back to file that I last updated 
> successfully here and open it. And it opens up OK
>
> Here's two screenshots of console info for this TW file. You can see that 
> the file opened OK.
>
> Although given what I seen, I'm thinking to start a new fresh TW file 
> without any of Danielo's pluginsand then see what happens on different 
> computers, moving file back and forth.
>
>
> [image: Marks-TiddlyWiki-Console Info-03-08-21.png]
>
> And this screenshot is taken a bit further down in the list...all about 
> tiddlypouch.
>
> [image: Marks-TiddlyWiki-Console Info-2-03-08-21.png]
>
> And here's screenshot that shows list of plugins.sorry but I can seem 
> to widen the view of the list, so right side is cut off a bit.
>
> [image: Marks-TW-v8.png]
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 3:02:00 PM UTC-8 ArchiMark wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Birthe.well, I thought I had a reason at the time when 
>> installing.I was following some instructions for setting up TW and it 
>> suggested NoteSelf as a means to save TW file to where you want when you 
>> click saveor at least so I thought
>>
>> Sounds like it could be the culprit or one of themso, sounds like I 
>> should remove it and then see if file opens up OK on work computer.
>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 1:34:32 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I will first admit, that I have never used tiddlypouch. I am sure you 
>>> have a reason. I just wonder - because due to your sending your wiki pr. 
>>> mail to yourself, I was sure you were using a singlefile tiddlywiki.
>>> I have only heard of tiddlypouch before in relation to Danielo's 
>>> NoteSelfbut that might be my mistake.
>>> The fact, that you are not able to start your wiki up - make me think 
>>> of, what Danielo himself called the chicken and egg problem... in the 
>>> discussion here: 
>>> https://forum.noteself.org/t/installing-the-plugins-on-an-existing-tw/24/8
>>>
>>>
>>> mandag den 8. marts 2021 kl. 22.25.59 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Birthe
>>>>
>>>> Here's what it says:
>>>>
>>>> DevTools failed to load SourceMap: 
>>>> Could not load content for 
>>>> file:///P:/Wiki/maps/danielo515/tiddlypouch/boot/tpouch-boot.js.map: 
>>>> System error: 
>>>> net::ERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 12:25:53 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good that you send the last screenshot. The last partstarting with 
>>>>> the yellow triangel. refering to danielo/tiddlypouch.something. Sorry 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> am not really able to read it, but I am sure someone will know what to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> mandag den 8. marts 2021 kl. 20.50.19 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, Charlie and (Other) Mark !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it's possible my computer has some security settings, given the 
>>>>>> ultra high level of security IT tries to maintain at work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good idea of comparing files side-by-side and check differences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And agree, Mark S. that it's likely a plugin.and I may have 
>>>>>> installed the encrypt plugin, will have to checkif so, I can delete 
>>>>>> it 
>>>>>> tonight when I get home and resend it to my work computer and try again 
>>>>>> tomorrow morning
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, I looked at the Console pane again and noticed that I had 
>>>>>> not opened up the first error message when I took the snapshot. So, 
>>>>>> here

[tw5] Re: Using TW html file on Chrome & Firefox - Problem

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Mark,
The plugins on you list are plugins I am using very much myself, I have not 
had any problems. I know we can never be sure...used together all of them, 
but I am optimistic on you behalf. 
https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/releases
And the how to install: https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/

Birthe
tirsdag den 9. marts 2021 kl. 01.06.15 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:

> I will start a new fresh TW file and then slowly, add one plugin at a 
> time, if I need it, and make sure it runs on both computers, before adding 
> anymore. This way I should easily know if any item causes a problem.
>
> I have been able to install some browser extensions in workplace browser, 
> Chrome. Will check out Timimi
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 3:51:42 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I really believe the problem for you right now is Noteself and 
>> tiddlypouch. As I remember it, it was original built to be run from 
>> Danielos original logging into your own database. Rebuild later for people 
>> to run their own nodejs wikis. It might have changed since then.
>> Now as you suggest you could start a new wiki and import the other 
>> plugins you like, and your own tiddlers. Saving is another question, are 
>> you able to install browser extension on you workplace browser? If it is 
>> possible I admit my favourite is Timimi. (lovely backups too!)
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> tirsdag den 9. marts 2021 kl. 00.26.33 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:
>>
>>> Since I am at work, I decided to go back to file that I last updated 
>>> successfully here and open it. And it opens up OK
>>>
>>> Here's two screenshots of console info for this TW file. You can see 
>>> that the file opened OK.
>>>
>>> Although given what I seen, I'm thinking to start a new fresh TW file 
>>> without any of Danielo's pluginsand then see what happens on different 
>>> computers, moving file back and forth.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Marks-TiddlyWiki-Console Info-03-08-21.png]
>>>
>>> And this screenshot is taken a bit further down in the list...all about 
>>> tiddlypouch.
>>>
>>> [image: Marks-TiddlyWiki-Console Info-2-03-08-21.png]
>>>
>>> And here's screenshot that shows list of plugins.sorry but I can 
>>> seem to widen the view of the list, so right side is cut off a bit.
>>>
>>> [image: Marks-TW-v8.png]
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 3:02:00 PM UTC-8 ArchiMark wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Birthe.well, I thought I had a reason at the time when 
>>>> installing.I was following some instructions for setting up TW and it 
>>>> suggested NoteSelf as a means to save TW file to where you want when you 
>>>> click saveor at least so I thought
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like it could be the culprit or one of themso, sounds like I 
>>>> should remove it and then see if file opens up OK on work computer.
>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 1:34:32 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will first admit, that I have never used tiddlypouch. I am sure you 
>>>>> have a reason. I just wonder - because due to your sending your wiki pr. 
>>>>> mail to yourself, I was sure you were using a singlefile tiddlywiki.
>>>>> I have only heard of tiddlypouch before in relation to Danielo's 
>>>>> NoteSelfbut that might be my mistake.
>>>>> The fact, that you are not able to start your wiki up - make me think 
>>>>> of, what Danielo himself called the chicken and egg problem... in the 
>>>>> discussion here: 
>>>>> https://forum.noteself.org/t/installing-the-plugins-on-an-existing-tw/24/8
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> mandag den 8. marts 2021 kl. 22.25.59 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Birthe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's what it says:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DevTools failed to load SourceMap: 
>>>>>> Could not load content for 
>>>>>> file:///P:/Wiki/maps/danielo515/tiddlypouch/boot/tpouch-boot.js.map: 
>>>>>> System error: 
>>>>>> net::ERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 12:25:53 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good that you send

[tw5] Re: Soarin' with Soren

[strikke...@gmail.com]

You too! I cannot stop reading. Very interesting.


tirsdag den 9. marts 2021 kl. 02.26.13 UTC+1 skrev dieg...@gmail.com:

> Agreed  David! I'm working my way through it as well! 
>
> Since it might be difficult to spell, Soren mentioned in the video a 
> helpful shortcut: http://562.nz/
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 7:10:31 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>>
>> Just a note to Soren Bjornstag to thank him for his ZettelKasten TW. I 
>> just decided to open the All tab and read in order. I am not quite through 
>> the A's, and have already learned a lot. And in the process I read three of 
>> his blog posts too. Great stuff. All that in addition to his very helpful 
>> video walkthrough of TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> And a note to everyone else to check it out: 
>> https://zettelkasten.sorenbjornstad.com
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using TW html file on Chrome & Firefox - Problem

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Mark,
Yes I am using stroll. But I have many wikis for different purposes. 
Most extensions ask for permission more or less defined. I do understand 
though, that Timimi needs to be able to save to your drive and also to make 
the backups.

Birthe


tirsdag den 9. marts 2021 kl. 06.03.10 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:

> Forgot to ask, Birthe, are you using Stroll ?
>
> Meanwhile, I started to install Timimi extension for Firefox, but stopped 
> when I saw the window appear listing all the permissions Timimi 
> wantssee screenshot below:
>
> [image: Timimi-Install-03-08-21.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 4:38:14 PM UTC-8 ArchiMark wrote:
>
>> THANKS, BIrthe!
>>
>> Good to hear.hopefully, this time, I won't have problems.
>>
>> We shall see....
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 4:13:35 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>> The plugins on you list are plugins I am using very much myself, I have 
>>> not had any problems. I know we can never be sure...used together all of 
>>> them, but I am optimistic on you behalf. 
>>> https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi/releases
>>> And the how to install: https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>> tirsdag den 9. marts 2021 kl. 01.06.15 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:
>>>
>>>> I will start a new fresh TW file and then slowly, add one plugin at a 
>>>> time, if I need it, and make sure it runs on both computers, before adding 
>>>> anymore. This way I should easily know if any item causes a problem.
>>>>
>>>> I have been able to install some browser extensions in workplace 
>>>> browser, Chrome. Will check out Timimi
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 3:51:42 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I really believe the problem for you right now is Noteself and 
>>>>> tiddlypouch. As I remember it, it was original built to be run from 
>>>>> Danielos original logging into your own database. Rebuild later for 
>>>>> people 
>>>>> to run their own nodejs wikis. It might have changed since then.
>>>>> Now as you suggest you could start a new wiki and import the other 
>>>>> plugins you like, and your own tiddlers. Saving is another question, are 
>>>>> you able to install browser extension on you workplace browser? If it is 
>>>>> possible I admit my favourite is Timimi. (lovely backups too!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Birthe
>>>>>
>>>>> tirsdag den 9. marts 2021 kl. 00.26.33 UTC+1 skrev sreb...@gmail.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since I am at work, I decided to go back to file that I last updated 
>>>>>> successfully here and open it. And it opens up OK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's two screenshots of console info for this TW file. You can see 
>>>>>> that the file opened OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although given what I seen, I'm thinking to start a new fresh TW file 
>>>>>> without any of Danielo's pluginsand then see what happens on 
>>>>>> different 
>>>>>> computers, moving file back and forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Marks-TiddlyWiki-Console Info-03-08-21.png]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this screenshot is taken a bit further down in the list...all 
>>>>>> about tiddlypouch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Marks-TiddlyWiki-Console Info-2-03-08-21.png]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And here's screenshot that shows list of plugins.sorry but I can 
>>>>>> seem to widen the view of the list, so right side is cut off a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: Marks-TW-v8.png]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 3:02:00 PM UTC-8 ArchiMark wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Birthe.well, I thought I had a reason at the time when 
>>>>>>> installing.I was following some instructions for setting up TW and 
>>>>>>> it 
>>>>>>> suggested NoteSelf as a means to save TW file to where you want when 
>>>>>>> you 
>>>>>>> click saveor at least so I thought
>>>>>>>
>

[tw5] Re: Using TW html file on Chrome & Firefox - Problem

[strikke...@gmail.com]

If you are using NoteSelf I think you should ask at 
https://forum.noteself.org/ 

tirsdag den 9. marts 2021 kl. 22.28.31 UTC+1 skrev Mark S.:

> Based on your previous experience, I would immediately wonder about 
> "pouchdb" and "tiddlypouch". They might be leftovers from trying NoteSelf. 
> If you're not using NS, I would experimentally start by getting rid of 
> those two (being sure to have a backup).
>
> I think you may have some typos there. Like I suspect "elink" is actually 
> "relink" . I don't know what "online" is.
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 12:46:43 PM UTC-8 sreb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> From the last TW file that I can open on my work computer (I'm still at 
>> work...), here's what I see listed as plugins:
>>
>> Toggle
>> Context
>> click2edit
>> editor-autolist
>> edit-comptext
>> elink
>> link-to-tabs
>> tw5-markdown
>> online
>> Stories
>> tekan
>> pouchdb
>> tiddlypouch
>> core
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 10:27:55 AM UTC-8 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to be happening when loading plugins.
>>>
>>> Somehow I missed it -- do you have a list of plugins you're using?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 9:43:46 AM UTC-8 sreb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 On work computer, think it was version 86.x.x , not 100% sure, as while 
 checking version, Chrome updated itself to Version 89.0.4389.82 (Official 
 Build) (64-bit). So, now can't see what version is was before.

 At home computer, I installed the latest Mac OSX version about 4 - 5 
 days ago...think it is version 88 or 89would have to check when I get 
 home...

 Have no idea about favicon.ico..not familiar with it.

 On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 8:44:18 AM UTC-8 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> It may not matter any, but just in case: what version of Chrome are 
> you using?
>
> Also: where is favicon.ico located?
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 11:02:45 AM UTC-4 sreb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Birthe & TT for your input..
>>
>> Meanwhile.
>>
>> Last evening at home on MBP, I created a new TW file with just Stroll 
>> added.
>>
>> Then emailed it to my work computer.
>>
>> Now I am at work and tried to open the TW file in Chrome, but get 
>> error message when it tries to load file.
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> [image: Stroll-Console Info-03-09-21.png]
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 2:51:48 AM UTC-8 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> sreb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 ... I started to install Timimi extension for Firefox, but stopped 
 when I saw the window appear listing all the permissions Timimi wants 
 ...

>>>
>>> Those permissions are UNavoidable  as Timimi accesses your drive 
>>> outside the browser. It is normal and nothing to worry over too much. 
>>>
>>> TT
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Requesting feedback] Customizer plugin

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Dave,
Looking nice and working well. I must admit though, that I would very much 
prefer it in the right side. The drop-down position being the problem.
That could be the reason for me to prefer to use it with the menubar 
plugin, where using the dropdown-position field solves that problem.

Thank you for all your hard work on this very, very good idea.

Birthe

onsdag den 10. marts 2021 kl. 04.12.21 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:

> Hi everyone
>
> I am almost done with the Customizer plugin. Requesting any feedback 
> before I write the instructions, package the plugins, and package the 
> addons.
>
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/sidebar.concept.part.2.html
>
> Thanks to Mohammad for help with converting it to a single button with two 
> tabs.
>
> Note that the backlinks options and sidebar options I have listed will be 
> independent of the plugin, available as add-ons.
>
> There is now the ability to reorder sidebar segments right in the sidebar 
> tab of the Customizer button. 
>
> I also created a prototype of a Book tools sidebar (glossary, 
> bibliography, table of contents). 
>
> Anyone can create custom view template elements and sidebar segments by 
> tagging a tiddler $:/giffmex/viewtemplate or $:/giffmex/sidebarsegments, so 
> if you don't like my baclkink stuff and sidebar stuff, you can make your 
> own and even share them on your own sites to use with this plugin. I am 
> trying to make this as flexible and usable as possible.
>
> Blessings, Dave
>

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[tw5] Re: newbie help with lists

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Welcome!


[image: Skærmbillede på 2021-03-10 14-02-58.png]
I hope a screenshot will do.

Birthe

onsdag den 10. marts 2021 kl. 13.34.49 UTC+1 skrev chena...@gmail.com:

> Hi all, TiddlyWiki first timer here.  I’m a librarian with close to no 
> computer background.  I’m *super excited* to create a digital garden, and I 
> really want to use TiddlyWiki but am also worried that I might not have the 
> necessary technical knowledge.
>
> I’m only a few tiddlers deep in my experiment, but I’ve found that when I 
> use the bullets and numbers buttons in the editor toolbar, they don’t 
> render.  (When I manually add in the html list tags it renders ok, but I’m 
> hoping there’s a way I don’t have to do that every time.)
> For example when I make some lists using the buttons in the editor 
> toolbar, the text looks like this:
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-03-10 at 7.15.12 AM.png]
> and it displays like this:
> [image: Screen Shot 2021-03-10 at 7.15.33 AM.png]
>
> All I’ve done so far is download the empty copy of TiddlyWiki from the 
> GettingStarted tiddler.  I have not installed any plugins. I’m working on a 
> macbook and opening the file in an up to date version Firefox, (but I see 
> the same problem in Chrome).
>
> I read a forum thread from October 3, where someone had a similar problem, 
> but I don’t see a “Show Bullets & Numbers checkbox” anywhere in my control 
> panel, and I tried creating the new tiddler suggested there to no avail.
>
> Thanks in advance for your kindness to a total newbie.
>

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[tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

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Chris,
Quite a task you have taken on here. It was great fun to try out. I love 
that you write: "You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet"
Truly I think I broke eggs enough to serve omelet to the city i live in. 
(Not due to any fault of yours...I must add.)
I think it could be useful and that we can learn from it too. It is not so 
easy to make colours work well together and al that. 

Birthe

torsdag den 11. marts 2021 kl. 01.18.16 UTC+1 skrev clutterstack:

> Oh, and thanks for trying it, David.
>
> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:16:28 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Feedback: Cool! Fun! Other feedback: would be easier to use if sidebar 
>> stuff was all together and tiddler stuff was all together.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:29:22 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've just uploaded a hacked-together demo of a plugin for a palette that 
>>> you can tweak. The idea is that you choose a few colours you like (a 
>>> "mood") and decide which groups of features in TW get which of those 
>>> colours. The groups are not optimised and not all palette colour names from 
>>> Vanilla are incorporated.
>>>
>>> Moods plugin demo 
>>>
>>> I'd like to know if people think this would be useful/fun, and also in 
>>> which ways it's broken for others!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

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Mohammad,
Is this the link? 
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams-tiddlytoolmap.html I do not 
remember the link, but I think Mark S did something similar testing 
notowritey.

Birthe


onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 06.05.51 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:

> Hi Mark,
>  I really appreciate your efforts! I think you should develop a small code 
> to do the conversion from Toolmap to link aggregator! I know Saq converted 
> Toolmaps entry to TW tiddlers sometimes ago, but I forgot the link to that 
> Tiddlywiki!
>  I know this work is tedious and like you I think the current 
> configuration is not the best! Like you I think Jeremy shall remove the 
> restriction on description, ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Out of nearly 300 entries, less than 1% had url errors. I was hoping to 
>> do follow-ups with the w3c link validator, but it doesn't recognize the 
>> site as a document. The standard link-checker software said everything was 
>> ok, but obviously that's wrong.
>>
>> I've removed the entry with a bad url.
>>
>> I will stop working for now. It's VERY tedious condensing descriptions to 
>> 10 words and supplying tags. Mistakes are bound to happen. 
>>
>> The last thing I need is to find people upset with my work. If requested, 
>> I can roll back existing entrees.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:25:32 PM UTC-7 dieg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or 
>>> something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
 There should be a way to report dead links. LibreNote, for example, 
 turns up a 404. Someone is adding links without even checking them first.

 Also, giffmex.org has been https:// since early 2020. If those adding 
 links to giffmex.org could convert them from http: to https:, that 
 would be appreciated.

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Re: [tw5] Announcing the TiddlyWiki Community Links Aggregator

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Mark S,
Quite a dilemma. It is *old* now because it was an *early* contribution. 
Then Hopefully people will search for *recent* contributions.

Birthe - with thanks for all the great work, you are doing!
onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 23.23.06 UTC+1 skrev Mark S.:

> I think it's still usable, it just shouldn't be a first choice. Like 
> "Creating a simple Contacts DB" is still a great introductory explainer 
> about using ViewTemplates. 
>
> Not everything that is old is undesirable. I hope. "Obsolete" suggests 
> unusable or that there is a replacement, which isn't always the case. 
> I've already started using "Deprecated" for things that have an official 
> counterpart. 
>
> Now I'm resorting to look at the thesaurus. Maybe "*Oldish*" which isn't 
> quite so strong as "old" ?
>
> Heh. Maybe Ebay terms like "*For-parts-only*" .
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 2:20:42 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> "Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this 
>> stuff is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain 
>> why it's still worth including.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Ruston
>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
>>
>> On 24 Mar 2021, at 20:13, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item 
>>> could be the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like 
>>> various television reboots that are more interesting than the original, but 
>>> benefit from the starting point. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes that's very true. Perhaps we should agree a tag for this kind of 
>>> situation.
>>>
>>> "Old" is pejorative. "Classic" is taken. Maybe "Vintage" ?
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: [Updated] Color Play: a playground for colors and palettes in Tiddlywiki

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Mohammad,
Does this link work? All I get to see is all white page and no wiki.


Birthe

tirsdag den 30. marts 2021 kl. 20.34.03 UTC+2 skrev Mohammad:

> I have updated the codes and demos to https://colorplay.tiddlyhost.com/
>
>
>- The code was not bundled as plugin lets you to hack and change it as 
>you like
>- The sidebar tab shows the Color Play Components
>
>
>
>
>
> Rev 0.9.1 - Mar 30th, 2021
>
>- [FIXED] minor bug in color viewtemplate
>- [NEW] color contrast analyzer
>- [NEW] JS macro to calculate the contrast ratio
>- [NEW] Palette Browser (by Soren Bjornstad)
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:42 AM Mohammad Rahmani  
> wrote:
>
>> Following the work by Thomas and Chris I have updated the Color Play!
>> This version adds the Coloractions plugin by Thomas! So you can use it as 
>> a utility to generate colors and check readability!
>>
>> I have updated the codes and demos to https://colorplay.tiddlyhost.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>- The code was not bundled as plugin lets you to hack and change it 
>>as you like
>>- The sidebar tab shows the Color Play Components
>>
>>
>>
>> *The purpose is to let any user create a color palette and a new taste! 
>> and perhaps share it with others. *
>> I would be happy to receive your created palettes and share them with 
>> others through the Color Play page!
>>
>> Don't be afraid: In your free time give a try and create a new color 
>> palette and then share it! 
>>
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>   References:
>>
>>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/lGabtMCLmyk/m/y_SV5jdhAgAJ
>>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/ATBaeD5uDYE/m/S3O7w6LBAgAJ
>>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/SswEriOom7M/m/RCO1QcjlAgAJ
>>- 
>>https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FColorAction
>>- 
>>
>> https://tid.li/tw5/apps/bricks.html#%24%3A%2Fapps%2Ftelmiger%2Fbricks%2Fpaletteeditor
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: [Updated] Color Play: a playground for colors and palettes in Tiddlywiki

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Thank you Mohammad,
Impressive work. Lots to explore. Lovely.

Birthe
onsdag den 31. marts 2021 kl. 17.53.47 UTC+2 skrev Mohammad:

> Hi Birthe,
>  I have uploaded the wiki again! It seems something went wrong last time I 
> updated the Color Play!
> Please let me know if it works for you.
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyMap vs. Stroll

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Tony K, did make an effort to use tiddlymap with drift, but that was in an 
early version of drift.  You can read about it here 
 . 


Birthe

torsdag den 1. april 2021 kl. 01.28.56 UTC+2 skrev David Gifford:

> Hi 19y...
>
> TiddlyMap and Stroll are not rivals. Stroll and TiddlyMap are two 
> different kinds of animals. Stroll is not a plugin but is something like an 
> edition. TiddlyMap, on the other hand, is a plugin, so it can be added to 
> any TiddlyWiki file that doesn't have other pieces that conflict with it 
> (as Stroll seems to do). I imagine there are many here using TiddlyMap but 
> just don't mention it. It's a great tool and it is nice to have mind maps 
> in TW. 
>
> We did try to integrate TiddlyMap into Stroll, in part because that 
> imitates a feature of Roam Research, which was what we were shooting for, 
> and in part because people were asking for it. But it was hard to do 
> because of the two story rivers, etc. TiddlyMap needs room to breathe in 
> the sidebar, and Stroll was squishing it, and I think there was some other 
> issue, but I forget. 
>
> There is a tool called TiddlyRoam, which is basically just TiddlyBlink (a 
> precursor to Stroll) with TiddlyMap added onto it. That is probably what 
> you want.
>
> Drift is similar to Stroll and has some extra features, such as taking 
> tags more into account. I imagine TiddlyMap could be integrated into it.
>
> With my Customizer plugin, it would be possible to create a TiddlyMap-only 
> sidebar, which might make it more prominent. But I haven't had the time or 
> energy to create one myself.
>
> I hope the above helps to give a little context and history. Blessings!
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 2:39:27 PM UTC-6 19y...@googlemail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention that for me the most interesting alternative to 
>> TiddlyMap seems to be Stroll, therefore I'm at the point where I'm 
>> thinking: TiddlyMap vs. Stroll?
>>
>> 19yc93 schrieb am Mittwoch, 31. März 2021 um 22:37:23 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Hello everbody,
>>>
>>> I'm using a mindmap tool called Freeplane for knowledge management since 
>>> some years. Because I don't like some stuff about Freeplane, I'm searching 
>>> for a alternative and came across TiddlyWiki.
>>>
>>> Because I'm loving mindmaps I thought about using TiddlyMap, but as I 
>>> read through all the posts in this group my feeling is, that most heavy 
>>> Tiddlywiki users are not using TiddlyMap. What are the reasons for not 
>>> using TiddlyMap?
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Filtering by field within Dynamic Tables by Jed Carty

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Field names must be in lowercase,

Birthe

torsdag den 1. april 2021 kl. 21.11.45 UTC+2 skrev jorgez...@gmail.com:

> I'm using the 'Dynamic Tables' macros by Jed Carty:
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-DynamicTables
>
> I'm trying to create a table that filters tiddlys based on the presence 
> and value of a custom field and then lists the titles of the filtered 
> tiddlys with some additional fields and their values.
>
> eg:  < Dose1 Drug2 Dose2 Drug3 Dose3""" true>>
>
> This is not working. I believe it is something to do with string parsing, 
> as discussed here:
>
>
> https://tiddlywiki.narkive.com/pdSB8F36/tw-tw5-how-to-put-field-value-in-to-filter
>
> However, any attempts at trying to implement this in dynamic tables has 
> failed.
>
> I would be very grateful if someone could help.
>
> Many thanks!
>

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[tw5] Re: Popup Tagger Plugin problems

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At the Controlpage, look at the filter.  You have, but you are not creator 
eucaly.
*[all[tiddlers+shadows]regexp:creator[eucaly(?i)]],*


On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:34:54 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> I am trying to use the http://eucaly-tw5.tiddlyspot.com/#PopupTagger.  It 
> is simply not visible in any tiddler, even though 
> $:/plugins/eucaly/popuptagger/TagBar is tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate.
>
> See https://giffmex.org/experiments/sp.dumpster.template.html. Open any 
> regular tiddler. The popuptagger does not appear. Go to 
> $:/plugins/eucaly/popuptagger/TagBar and you will see it is tagged 
> $:/tags/ViewTemplate.  
>
> Is this plugin not compatible with more recent versions of TiddlyWiki? Or 
> any idea what else might be wrong?
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Popup Tagger Plugin problems

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i think it is meant to be an example tagbar with filter, tags and so on to 
show how it can look. Maybe I misunderstood but I think we are encouraged 
to create our own tagbar so as not to overwrite the eucaly example.

I think you are right it is a little confusing. I spend a lot of time 
figuring out how to, when I first used that plugin. It is very useful 
though.

Birthe

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 1:25:07 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:

> Wow, ok, changing that worked. Thanks strikke... Why would Eucaly pre-load 
> the plugin with something that wouldn't work for users? Doesn't make sense. 
> The documentation for this plugin is very confusing. And I find it amazing 
> that this is the ONLY TiddlyWiki plugin for creating a dropdown list to add 
> a tag to a tiddler from a subset of tags. But hey, it works now, so this 
> will be a big help for me. Thanks again!
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 6:05 AM strikke...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> At the Controlpage, look at the filter.  You have, but you are not 
>> creator eucaly.
>> *[all[tiddlers+shadows]regexp:creator[eucaly(?i)]],*
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:34:54 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I am trying to use the http://eucaly-tw5.tiddlyspot.com/#PopupTagger.  
>>> It is simply not visible in any tiddler, even though 
>>> $:/plugins/eucaly/popuptagger/TagBar is tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate.
>>>
>>> See https://giffmex.org/experiments/sp.dumpster.template.html. Open any 
>>> regular tiddler. The popuptagger does not appear. Go to 
>>> $:/plugins/eucaly/popuptagger/TagBar and you will see it is tagged 
>>> $:/tags/ViewTemplate.  
>>>
>>> Is this plugin not compatible with more recent versions of TiddlyWiki? 
>>> Or any idea what else might be wrong?
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Horizontal arrangement?

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Welcome Krish.

Maybe something like https://crazko.github.io/krystal/
On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 1:01:49 AM UTC+1 Krish wrote:

> Newbie here.  Sorry if this question has been asked. Can Tiddlers be 
> arranged not only vertically but also horizontally?  As you click on a 
> particular tiddler, it opens a child tiddler on a side horizontal pane.  If 
> that can be done, this would be an amazing structure.

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[tw5] Re: Horizontal arrangement?

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I have only tried out Beaker browser with tiddlywiki for a couple of days 
now. Normally I am using Firefox. That lead to me dragging the plugin from 
a tab in firefox to the Beaker tab with my new tiddlywiki. It seem to work 
okay. I think it should be possible to export the plugin from the 
tiddlywiki and then import into your wiki.
I have been wondering how many in this group is using Beaker with 
tiddlywiki now, it sure is interesting.

Birthe

On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 6:23:22 AM UTC+1 Krish wrote:

> Yay...thank you! This is what I was looking for.  Funny, I got triggered 
> by Andy's notes too :-) I am using beaker browser to do Tiddly.  What is 
> the best way to install this plugin in that case?  Same as explained in the 
> link you mentioned?
>
> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 6:24:27 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Welcome Krish.
>>
>> Maybe something like https://crazko.github.io/krystal/
>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 1:01:49 AM UTC+1 Krish wrote:
>>
>>> Newbie here.  Sorry if this question has been asked. Can Tiddlers be 
>>> arranged not only vertically but also horizontally?  As you click on a 
>>> particular tiddler, it opens a child tiddler on a side horizontal pane.  If 
>>> that can be done, this would be an amazing structure.
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Horizontal arrangement?

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Krish, You are right. But I had both browsers open on my computer - and 
wanted to drag and drop plugins and some other tiddlers. I was able to do 
that from a TW in a firefox tab to my wiki in a Beaker tab.

I find Beaker a little confusing  and look forward to see some tips from 
other using Beaker browser and tiddlywiki.

Birthe

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 10:39:11 PM UTC+1 Krish wrote:

> Birthe, do you use beaker within Firefox?  I use independent Beaker 
> browser.  Didn't know you could use it within Firefox.
>
> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 10:22:08 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have only tried out Beaker browser with tiddlywiki for a couple of days 
>> now. Normally I am using Firefox. That lead to me dragging the plugin from 
>> a tab in firefox to the Beaker tab with my new tiddlywiki. It seem to work 
>> okay. I think it should be possible to export the plugin from the 
>> tiddlywiki and then import into your wiki.
>> I have been wondering how many in this group is using Beaker with 
>> tiddlywiki now, it sure is interesting.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 6:23:22 AM UTC+1 Krish wrote:
>>
>>> Yay...thank you! This is what I was looking for.  Funny, I got triggered 
>>> by Andy's notes too :-) I am using beaker browser to do Tiddly.  What is 
>>> the best way to install this plugin in that case?  Same as explained in the 
>>> link you mentioned?
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 6:24:27 PM UTC-8 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Welcome Krish.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe something like https://crazko.github.io/krystal/
>>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 1:01:49 AM UTC+1 Krish wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Newbie here.  Sorry if this question has been asked. Can Tiddlers be 
>>>>> arranged not only vertically but also horizontally?  As you click on a 
>>>>> particular tiddler, it opens a child tiddler on a side horizontal pane.  
>>>>> If 
>>>>> that can be done, this would be an amazing structure.
>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Some stupid questions...

[strikke...@gmail.com]

While we cannot actively use tiddlyspot, you should still be able to 
download. Have you looked at http://gsd5.tiddlyspot.com/

It is an old version now,  but if you like it, maybe it could get you 
started.

Birthe
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 11:50:03 PM UTC+1 S1ack wrote:

> > Finally in some ways the days of the full solutions like MonkeyGTD are 
> gone because so many of the features can be found in the core  
> Yes, I realized that as I started to mess around a bit more.
> If I can get up to speed on widgets (checkboxes mainly), and figure out 
> columns (I saw some mention of Shiraz regarding this), then I think I can 
> manage.
>
> >This is about saving? this question is out of place - look at Timimi or 
> TW-receiver but they are but a couple of the new savings solutions 
> available now.
> The confusing thing is/was Timimi, TiddlyDesktop, and TiddlyFox all fail 
> to save the 'nicedemo.xml' I extracted from the mGSD github. Both work fine 
> otherwise, even with my old, now cluttered with 10 years of crap MonkeyGTD 
> file.
>
>
> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:06:37 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> MonkeyGTD introduced many nice ways to contribute to TWC design, TW5 has 
>> inherited many of these ideas and incorporated them into the core, or can 
>> be found nearby in macros or plugins.
>>
>> TW5 stands on the shoulders of giant's including MonkeyGTD. There are new 
>> and different ways in TW5 and some old methods superseded, new concepts 
>> needed etc... but there is no doubt TW5 opens up the possibilities much 
>> further than before. 
>>
>> Your questions
>> 1) This is about saving? this question is out of place - look at Timimi 
>> or TW-receiver but they are but a couple of the new savings solutions 
>> available now.
>> 2) It depends on what you are looking for. Perhaps ask for that, rather 
>> than for a MonkeyGTD alternative and you will get more suggestions (Cardio 
>> comes to mind)
>>
>> Finally in some ways the days of the full solutions like MonkeyGTD are 
>> gone because so many of the features can be found in the core.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 04:21:45 UTC+11 S1ack wrote:
>>
>>> First off, glad to see people discussing this topic - when what I 
>>> usually experience is a bunch of dead 10 year old links.
>>>
>>> Hope I can get some help.
>>>
>>> The stupid questions
>>>
>>> 1) How does Tiddlyfox plugin/extension identify an html that it will 
>>> allow saving?
>>> 2) Is there anything online akin to the MonkeyGTD 
>>> (later called mGSD) flavor of 
>>> tiddylwiki.
>>>
>>> I am a bit worried that my reliance on these things is not sustainable.
>>>
>>> TL;DR
>>> Long time user of both tiddywiki and MonkeyGTD. I have kept notes from 
>>> 'tiddlyfox apocalypse'' as I've migrated from PC to PC and browser to 
>>> browser as they started removing the ability to write locally, in order to 
>>> keep my beloved functionality intact. Settled on a developer version of 
>>> firefox with tiddlyfox add-on that is set for never updating. This firefox 
>>> is never used for online tasks.
>>>
>>> Be that as it may. I find my self whishing to create a  shiny new 
>>> blank/empty MonkeyGTD, and never saved one from back in the day. I 
>>> downloaded all of the mGSD  from 
>>> github and found the demo (essentially an empty MonkeyGTD by the looks of 
>>> it), and the regular tw empty in there. However, while the empty.html is 
>>> identified by the tiddlyfox plug-in, annoyingly, the 'nicedemo.html' gtd is 
>>> not recognized as such, and it will not save.
>>>
>>> I played around with a file diff finder for a bit, but I did not see 
>>> anything obvious.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Hi flanc,
I followed the link to Web Speech API 
 Demonstration. 
Danish can be used, will it also be possible to use it using your plugin 
with Danish?

Birthe

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 2:11:12 PM UTC+2 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Love the feedback! 
>
> Something to do with the language names. Each of those language names were 
> decided rather carefully, since, for example, catalan was understood in a 
> different word every time, but the word "catalonian" was transcribed with 
> perfect accuracy. One possible solution would be to test for a variety of 
> different words that sound like the keyword, similar to what BTC did with 
> the new "Ok Wiki" functionality, and that would require you awesome folks 
> to test the words, and report back what they are transcribed as.
>
> In addition to this, I forgot to add, there are multiple variants of 
> several languages, such as english US, UK, Australian, South African; 
> spanish Spain, etc. etc. I plan to add all of this functionality sometime 
> soon, as well.
>
> For all of the languages the API supports that my little wrapper program 
> could easily be changed to modify, they are listed in this StackOverflow 
> post: https://stackoverflow.com/a/23733589/14719982. Feel free to speak 
> the translated language names into the plugin, and see what they are 
> transcribed as.
>
> (Since the default lang I have set is English-US, the language names must 
> sadly be translated into English to be understood, such as Espanol to 
> Spanish. This also accounts for maybe "improper" languages names, as 
> pointed out.)
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 4:41:54 AM UTC-4 BurningTreeC wrote:
>
>> Hello all, I've now changed the *Command *command to *Ok Wiki*
>>
>> I've made it also detect Okay Vicky, Ok WC, and more keywords ... If 
>> those of you who are testing this would report any other keywords we should 
>> add, that would be a great help
>>
>> What should work right now is *Ok Wiki change language to <> *and 
>> *Ok Wiki stop talking*
>>
>>
>>
>> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 11. August 2021 um 10:28:45 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Ciao Flanc... & BTC
>>>
>>> *SIDE NOTES ON API BEHAVIOR*
>>>
>>> This does not effect anything YOU two are doing. Merely observations on 
>>> the "behaviours" of the recognitions. 
>>> But I do think it is useful to understand the end-product the API issues 
>>> forth.
>>>
>>> *1 -* There are occasional QUIRKY things that happen that have no clear 
>>> rationale. For instance if you dictate "cat dog mouse horse" you get back 
>>> ... "cat dog Mouse horse". Maybe mice, or mouses, actually rule the 
>>> universe as "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy" contended"? 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *2 -* Sometimes words that are not understood by the api are simply 
>>> DISCARDED. (For instance in Italian mode most dictated English words are 
>>> just ignored).
>>>
>>> *3 - * Sometimes words that are not understood by the api are 
>>> capitalized as Proper Names. There is some very clever thing going on 
>>> inside the recog. machine that decides when to do this.
>>>
>>> None of these minor points change anything other than the need to be 
>>> slightly aware the API does stuff and awareness of that is helpful I think.
>>>
>>> I'll may add more comments about these behaviors after I used it more, 
>>> if there any other obvious ones. 
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

[strikke...@gmail.com]

@flanc, I tested it once more- after importing the danish language plugin 
and it did write some sentences correct...and some rather amusing. It will 
be very useable though. In fact it is much better than I had hoped for, 
Danish being used by so few people. So nice, I know I will use this a lot. 

Thank you so much for all the work you and BurningTreeC are doing on this.

Birthe


On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 3:03:56 PM UTC+2 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Strikke…, yes. Any language shown on the demo is theoretically be 
> supported by the plug-in. I’m not sure if there is a Danish translation of 
> TW. With my new idea to just use the TW language, there may be some 
> limitation. 
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 9:01 AM strikke...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi flanc,
>> I followed the link to Web Speech API 
>> <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/speech-api/raw-file/tip/speechapi.html> 
>> Demonstration. 
>> Danish can be used, will it also be possible to use it using your plugin 
>> with Danish?
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 2:11:12 PM UTC+2 flanc...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Love the feedback! 
>>>
>>> Something to do with the language names. Each of those language names 
>>> were decided rather carefully, since, for example, catalan was understood 
>>> in a different word every time, but the word "catalonian" was transcribed 
>>> with perfect accuracy. One possible solution would be to test for a variety 
>>> of different words that sound like the keyword, similar to what BTC did 
>>> with the new "Ok Wiki" functionality, and that would require you awesome 
>>> folks to test the words, and report back what they are transcribed as.
>>>
>>> In addition to this, I forgot to add, there are multiple variants of 
>>> several languages, such as english US, UK, Australian, South African; 
>>> spanish Spain, etc. etc. I plan to add all of this functionality sometime 
>>> soon, as well.
>>>
>>> For all of the languages the API supports that my little wrapper program 
>>> could easily be changed to modify, they are listed in this StackOverflow 
>>> post: https://stackoverflow.com/a/23733589/14719982. Feel free to speak 
>>> the translated language names into the plugin, and see what they are 
>>> transcribed as.
>>>
>>> (Since the default lang I have set is English-US, the language names 
>>> must sadly be translated into English to be understood, such as Espanol to 
>>> Spanish. This also accounts for maybe "improper" languages names, as 
>>> pointed out.)
>>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 4:41:54 AM UTC-4 BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all, I've now changed the *Command *command to *Ok Wiki*
>>>>
>>>> I've made it also detect Okay Vicky, Ok WC, and more keywords ... If 
>>>> those of you who are testing this would report any other keywords we 
>>>> should 
>>>> add, that would be a great help
>>>>
>>>> What should work right now is *Ok Wiki change language to <> 
>>>> *and *Ok Wiki stop talking*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 11. August 2021 um 10:28:45 UTC+2:
>>>>
>>>>> Ciao Flanc... & BTC
>>>>>
>>>>> *SIDE NOTES ON API BEHAVIOR*
>>>>>
>>>>> This does not effect anything YOU two are doing. Merely observations 
>>>>> on the "behaviours" of the recognitions. 
>>>>> But I do think it is useful to understand the end-product the API 
>>>>> issues forth.
>>>>>
>>>>> *1 -* There are occasional QUIRKY things that happen that have no 
>>>>> clear rationale. For instance if you dictate "cat dog mouse horse" you 
>>>>> get 
>>>>> back ... "cat dog Mouse horse". Maybe mice, or mouses, actually rule 
>>>>> the universe as "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy" contended"? 
>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/1MmQjXrkwp98jNdc17j3tr3/mice>
>>>>>
>>>>> *2 -* Sometimes words that are not understood by the api are simply 
>>>>> DISCARDED. (For instance in Italian mode most dictated English words are 
>>>>> just ignored).
>>>>>
>>>>> *3 - * Sometimes words that are not understood by the api are 
>>>>> capitalized as Prope

[tw5] Re: Do TW Versions prior to 2011 still exist?

[strikke...@gmail.com]

Archive 

Lots of fun to be had ;-)


On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 8:36:02 PM UTC+2 dougla...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I would like to explore some of the earliest versions of TiddlyWiki.  I 
> can access the first few commits on the original 2011 GitHub repo for the 
> original version, but I am aware that TiddlyWiki has been around since much 
> earlier than 2011.  For example, Jeremy Ruston gave a talk at the 2006 
> BlogTalk Conference about it.
>
> Are any of these earlier versions still available for downloading or for 
> code review?
>
> Thanks so much!
>

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