I think it might be better to ask in a new thread - about the stories plugin created by Saq. Maybe explain a little about the benefit you expect from the changed layout. On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 3:18:28 AM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello David and thank you for your replies above! I didn't realize I > didn't reply to this one before so I'm sorry for the delay! The information > you and the others of this group have provided has been amazing and very > much appreciated! > > One follow-up question about Stroll: > > How hard would it be to change the two vertical column layout to a two > horizontal row layout instead? > > So as an example instead of > > <div>col1</div> <div>col2</div> as it is now it would be > > <div>row1</div> > <div>row2</div> > > Would it be something you would be willing to do? Even if it comes down to > reimbursing you for your time in modifying the code in Stroll I would be > very much open to it. > > On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:23:40 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: > >> There is no right answer, there is only the way that feels right to you >> and gives you a fast, non-tedious, enjoyable workflow based on how your >> mind works, which may be different from mine. The more you experiment, the >> more options you will find. >> >> The "usual" way in TiddlyWiki is tagging a tiddler with its parent topics >> or categories. So City A might be tagged "Cities" and "Country A". Then you >> write your definition and description and if you see potential links, you >> turn them into actual links, or use a tool like Freelinks to have them be >> links without them being links. Remember that Freelinks are not >> bi-directional. So if you mention City A in tiddler of Country A, the >> reference to City A will show as a link. But in the City A tiddler, nothing >> will change, so there will be no reference to Country A. >> >> I don't tend to write link-rich Wikipedia types of tiddlers, so I can't >> help you too much there. My current system for notetaking from reading is: >> Create a tiddler for the book or source. Paste the title into a "currently >> reading" window. Read. Take a note in the relevant topic. Use an editor >> toolbar button to paste the currently reading tiddler as the source of the >> note. Add page number. Read and repeat. Fantastic workflow for that. But >> you may be doing something else that requires something totally different. >> >> HTH >> >> >> >> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and providing so much >>> feedback! It has been very helpful. >>> >>> If I may ask two follow-up questions: >>> >>> 1) I do seem to be driving for a Wikipedia level of thoroughness >>> regarding the content, at least with this world building concept. At the >>> same time I'm still having trouble finding a way to collect my thoughts on >>> other topics in general. Do you feel it is safe to say that if I'm taking >>> the hitting the content with a Wikipedia level of thoroughness then I, as >>> you pointed out, am already doing the organization/relationship building >>> *manually*? If yes, is there a "better" (or more simplistic) way where >>> I utilize the tools in Stroll (or even Drift) to make it more automated? Or >>> is the effort I'm putting in just a requirement of the wikipedia level of >>> content? >>> >>> 2) Using my original example of tiddlers another method I could use >>> would be instead of adding the link back to the Country tiddler inside the >>> City tiddler description, just leave the single link at the top when you >>> created it from the Country tiddler and then keep typing. In that case it >>> is just a preference of how you want to do the link back? >>> >>> Also, again thank you very much for mentioning Drift. While I'm still >>> looking into it, and I think I came across it before though I didn't >>> understand it fully the first time around, from what I understand now of >>> "Freelinks" it might be the answer I'm looking for regarding trying to >>> write down as much as possible, regardless of content and topic, and have >>> it grouped together by keywords. It could also beneficial when I once again >>> combine my world tiddly with my book tiddly so as I write things in the >>> book I can reference it later on the appropriate/associated/specific >>> tiddler with Freelinks turned on. >>> >>> Not to sound redundant but thank you again! >>> >>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 7:46:42 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: >>> >>>> Hi iamdar... >>>> >>>> TiddlyWiki always had bidirectional linking. If you create a link in >>>> tiddler A to tiddler B, you could go to tiddler B, open "info" from the >>>> tiddler more menu, and see tiddler A under backlinks. So obviously, >>>> backlinking was pretty hidden and not very practical. Too many steps to >>>> get >>>> to it. >>>> >>>> Roam Research made bidirectional linking more visible. All the >>>> references are at the bottom of each page on Roam. So, since Stroll was an >>>> experiment to see how much of Roam that I could replicate in TiddlyWiki, I >>>> also made b-linking visible. >>>> >>>> I use backlinks mostly for quick navigation to related concepts, but it >>>> also helps the serendipitous discovery of related concepts. >>>> >>>> In the example you give, you wouldn't technically need backlinking, >>>> since each tiddler refers to the other (Country A and City A, for >>>> example). >>>> But as you hint at, there are plenty of topics where you might not want to >>>> go through all the effort of writing out each description fully and with >>>> ample backlinks, as you have done. Life is short, and hopefully you are >>>> not >>>> trying to compete with Wikipedia for completeness. >>>> >>>> I tend to create what I call index tiddlers when I want to create a >>>> table of contents on a given topic (say, Index: Country A). I keep that >>>> separate from Country A, where I keep the definition and description. But >>>> I >>>> usually find a way to hide index tiddlers when viewing in context or as >>>> transclusion, because index tiddlers tend to be longer. >>>> >>>> If you haven't seen Drift, you might also want to see the way it >>>> handles references. https://akhater.github.io/drift/ It was inspired >>>> by Stroll, but avoids the extra column, and adds tagging and freelinks to >>>> the references, which is more thorough. >>>> >>>> I don't think the focus on backlinking in Stroll is pulling TiddlyWiki >>>> away from its roots. In part it is just making more explicit the backlink >>>> feature that already existed in TW. And in part, because ultimately TW is >>>> about customization and mixing and matching to create the workflow you >>>> need. And that would be my main advice to you as you build the world >>>> builder: don't rush to make it public. Play with it for awhile, use it >>>> yourself, and tweak it in order to eliminate defects and make it work for >>>> your workflow. That way when you do feel comfortable with the 'final' >>>> product, you will be able to describe not only the features but a >>>> suggested >>>> workflow. You need to be able to articulate what WorldBuilder does best, >>>> and for what real world use cases. >>>> >>>> Not offended, I understood what you meant, and I hope the above helps. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 10:50:27 AM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello *David* and thank you very much for your reply, clarification, >>>>> and contributions (already given and offered)! I will be sure to only >>>>> reference it as Stroll going forward :) >>>>> >>>>> If I may ask, and I feel this is from an ignorance on my part so I >>>>> apologize, what is the purpose of the bi-directional linking? I >>>>> understand >>>>> the functionality, but from a practice standpoint, is the idea just to >>>>> provide a quick reference/link for convenience (as mentioned Linking in >>>>> Stroll, part 2 from your site which I just now read a second time and >>>>> perhaps did so correctly this time lol)? Or is it also way to create a >>>>> "summary" or "list" of related content? I guess my confusion/over >>>>> thinking >>>>> is coming from the idea that if you are writing a wiki entry and link to >>>>> a >>>>> related entry then somewhere in that entry there would end up a link back >>>>> to the original entry. Now I'm saying wiki entry but in this case I mean >>>>> Tiddler. >>>>> >>>>> IE: >>>>> >>>>> Country A >>>>> Country A is a vast land composed of [[City A]], [[City B]], and >>>>> [[City C]]. Etc. Etc. >>>>> >>>>> City A >>>>> City A is the capital of [[Country A]] and is due north of [[City B]], >>>>> and [[City C]]. Etc. Etc. >>>>> >>>>> City B >>>>> City B, is the second largest city of [[Country A]] and can be found >>>>> south of [[City A]] and west of [[City C]]. >>>>> >>>>> City C >>>>> City C, is the smallest all of [[Country A]]'s cities and can be found >>>>> south of [[City A]] and east of [[City B]]. >>>>> >>>>> In order for the bi-directional links of Stroll to work I would need >>>>> to do the above, or at least have a reference like section where I list >>>>> out >>>>> the associated Tiddler links at least once. But haven't I already created >>>>> a >>>>> bi-directional link when I linked to/created City A from Country A and >>>>> then >>>>> referenced Country A in City A? >>>>> >>>>> I could see not having any content in Country A, simply a tiddler with >>>>> the title Country A and then having the related contents of City A, B, >>>>> and >>>>> C link to [[Country A]] with *Highlights in context* turned on in the >>>>> Stroll settings. But then how do you determine which Tiddler level to use >>>>> the "summary"? >>>>> >>>>> There is also the idea that I'm butchering the tiddler method here and >>>>> am over complicating things by treating TiddlyWiki as something it isn't >>>>> by >>>>> default and that Stroll turns it into. I hope I haven't been offensive in >>>>> my questions/explanation. Just trying to understand everything better for >>>>> TiddlyWiki use in general, and my own World Builder project. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you in advance for your time! >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, June 3, 2021 at 8:54:17 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, TiddlyBlink (blink = bidirectional link) was my first attempt to >>>>>> imitate Roam in TiddlyWiki. Stroll (not 'TiddlyStroll') was my later >>>>>> experiment that improved on it, with mucho help coming from Saq Imtiaz. >>>>>> TiddlyRoam is just someone else's combination of TiddlyBlink + TiddlyMap. >>>>>> >>>>>> Grab or adapt anything you like from TiddlyBlink or Stroll that you >>>>>> find helpful. >>>>>> On Wednesday, June 2, 2021 at 10:42:27 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> So I'm still planning TiddlyWorldBuilder though I haven't had a >>>>>>> chance to work on it this past week. During my planning though I came >>>>>>> across something that I got confused about in the beginning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems that when I combined TIddlyStroll (minus the two column >>>>>>> view) and TiddlyMap I'm simply making an updated version of TiddlyRoam. >>>>>>> From my understanding TiddlyRoam originally used TiddlyBlink which was >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> predecessor to TiddlyStroll. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So at this time, the only two differences between TiddlyWorldBuilder >>>>>>> and TiddlyRoam is that I'm using the updated TiddlyStroll code (minus >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> two column view) and have added TiddlyMentat (minus the Engine plugin >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> active). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just figured I would put the above out there to ensure proper credit >>>>>>> has been given and to keep everyone in the loop of what I've come >>>>>>> across/put together for TiddlyWorldBuilder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roam - https://tiddlyroam.org/ >>>>>>> Stroll - https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html >>>>>>> Blink - https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html >>>>>>> Mentat - https://github.com/theSherwood/Mentat >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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