Re: [techtalk] system administration responsibilities question
Yvonne: > Hi, all. I'm unlurking here... Here is a question for anyone who deals > with the web in some way in their system administration job... > actually, for any sysadmin... If you are the system administrator over > a (web) server, do you administer > all the services on that box? Including databases? We have maybe 16-20 > Linux (mostly) and SCO servers running > various services. My boss wants me to let him know what services are > running on our two web servers including apache, samba, > mysql, etc. and he is thinking of delegating responsibilities across the > servers to four of us... a "web admin", Unix admin, > NT admin, and network support person--his words were, he wants the > services divided into "discrete parts to be allocated > to individuals." Is this the way it's done in the "real world?" Or does > it vary, according to the size of the company? In my former job (system administration at uni while being a student there) the webservers were maintained by us (the sysadmins), while the contents of all the services was maintained by Somebody Else (actually the name of one of them is Else :)). In principle this would work: the sysadmins make sure the OS and all software, including webservers, are working, while Somebody Else make sure the services contain something, develop new web applications etc. Officially those people didn't have the root password (or sudo), but in practice they had it. However, we used every opprtunity to yell at them when they dared to use it, since we a) monitored the use of it (sulog w/ username, rootlogin not allowed) and b) they often broke something. The problem with this was mainly lack of communication. The sysadmins upgraded something, a database stopped working and everybody became rude because nobody was informed. Or the admins planned an upgrade in June, while the application people expected the upgrade in February, since they started development of something new then. Or the admins closed down the msql database because nobody seemed to use it - two months later somebody suddenly wants to use it and it's down. The routines are getting better there now, but it's important to know that such things often happen. I don't say it's a bad idea to split the responsibilities for a server between several people, but I'd say it would be best to have one person (or group, in larger organizations) responsible for the OS and basic software (like C-compiler, sh-utils and other stuff that everybody needs) and one person (group) responsible for application software and maintenance of that - i.e. apache, mysql, logrotate, analog and other software closely related to the services running on the server. If the server is a webserver and a mailserver, there can easily be two persons (groups) responsible: web and mail. However, since mysql often is closely connected to the webserver, the same person/group should be responsible for both of them. As for samba on the webserver, this should probably be the webpersons responsibility IF the userdatabase of samba is somewhat dynamic and varies/increases as more people need access to the files on the webserver server. If samba is just a service like NFS and it's pretty static, i.e. no users coming "hey, I need a virtual server here and I need access to it from my PC, you fix that?" (and you then make this single person a samba-account), it should belong to the OS-person/group. (At my uni samba for students is default, so no extra student sambausers are made. But for the employees a sambauser is made as they ask for it, so that's quite a lot of administrationn. Today's solution of "ok, Else will fix a db for you, the sysadmins a webserver and Somebody will fix samba access" is NOT good :)) So, my conclusion is that splitting up responsibilities is not at all a bad idea, but it must be done with care, making sure ONE person is responsible for one group of stuff - it shouldn't require two persons to upgrade php because a new version of mysql is needed. Centralized OS-administration (OS+basic software) is probably also smart, to ensure the servers are uptodate with security patches and to make sure they are similar enough to increase redundancy (i.e. possible to move services between them without too much reconfiguration/compiling). > I was hired on as the administrator of two NT web servers, then we > switched to Linux, the guy who hired me left, the new > boss thought I was only doing the web part of administration, and gave > the system administration over to the Unix admin. I'm > left with very little system administration, really, none to speak > of...Now my boss is looking for some other service to turn over > to me, rather than one box. It's a little frustrating, since I want to > do system administration, and I'm not getting the experience... If you are unsatisfied with your duties, do something about it :) Tell your boss about it and propose you all share the work between you. Keep in mind that sharing the responsibili
Re: [techtalk] Opinion needed on Mail Clients
Hi Kelly and others, On Wednesday, 06 June 2001, Kelly McQuarrie scripsit, > I've been using pine since I switch to unix so I can't compare it to > anything else. Why do you like mutt better? Maybe I should switch? Hmm, I changed from pine to mutt over a year ago, so my comparisons are based on pine 4.21 (or thereabouts). Most impressive feature for me is threading - *real* threading, not the group-by-subject sorting that some other clients use. If you sort a mailbox by thread, Mutt scans the References headers of messages to construct threads and displays them in the message index with a tree diagram. It also does this reasonably quickly. When I was considering changing from pine to mutt, I found that mutt took less than half the time of pine to open and sort a remote IMAP mailbox with approx 2000 messages. Speed and threading were enough to convince me, but there are plenty of features I've since discovered in mutt that I can't do without now. You can search within messages - all headers, selected headers or message bodies, using patterns and regular expressions. It is so much easier to change the From header, use different signature files, etc, which can be changed on a per-message basis using 'hooks' or rules. Mutt handles mailing lists better than any other client I know of - when replying to a mailing list message, you can reply to the list only, to author only, or to both, regardless of whether the Reply-To header has been changed by the list-admin. Mutt can access remote POP mailboxes as well as IMAP ones - I don't think Pine can do this. Reading POP mail remotely is kludgy at the best of times, but if you have to do it (as I did when my ISP's mail server was playing up), mutt gives you that option. Mutt can be customised in a boggling number of ways. This seems to scare off some people - the number of options available, and the fact that configuration is done strictly by editing config files, not filling in menus. I think these are the characteristics that also attract people who like tons of options. Hope this gives you some idea - perhaps the other mutt gurus on the list can help convince you . Cheers Claudine -- geek historian - Melbourne, AU Please don't CC replies to me - I read the group coriander uptime: 8:02pm up 2 days, 56 min, 4 users, load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.15 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] system administration responsibilities question
My experience: Well I am a sys admin for a smaller company, the sole responsibilty of all, but we do have 6 servers, one of which is a web server running various sites. We do little DB "stuff", but when we have I have only resposible that the OS and Web server is running and that the DB can talk to the Web server and if need be the SMTP services is working on the web server if they send out html email. But the web developer have been responsible for the developement and maintenece of the DB itself and web pages, cgi... I think these type of situations are subjective to its environment. Because typically a web master is responsible for "nuts and bolts"-server, services, development. Good Luck! JC Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
Re: [techtalk] system administration responsibilities question
>web pages, cgi... I think these type of situations are subjective to >its >environment. Because typically a web master is responsible for >"nuts and >bolts"-server, services, development. Thanks for responding (and to everyone else who has responded too!) I've been wondering about this, too--whether webmasters are also the sysadmins over the boxes, too. In our situation, we have a webmaster who uploads files, comes up with policies and procedures, trains staff, etc. I was supposed to be the sysadmin over the web servers, and to be her backup on uploading when she's absent. Now, they're trying to reorganize, and they're proposing to make the webmaster a "creative director" of a communications dept., taking over the policies & procedures part, along with the creative design end, create a new "web team leader" position who uploads files, trains staff, and attends meetings. In our dept., we have four people doing sysadmin work with the servers, and we don't let the applications developers have root access--we maintain all the services on the boxes, they just develop on them. Thanks! Yvonne _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] damn Windows
At 02:28 PM 6/7/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I use realaudio quite a bit, and my Linux box runs it MUCH better. Not >only do I never lose my connections, but I get 3X the bandwidth. This >is vs. Win98, though, not Win2K. It makes a HUGE difference and I have tried it on Win 2K and 98. I also tried another experiment, running TCPDUMP on my nic card for 24 hours with Real Audio, FTP, Web, Fetchmail, etc all running, plus I had a constant ping to another machine and at the end I had 0% packets dropped by the new 2.4 kernel. I did try to add two modems to the Linux box last night, but I was using the wimp tools (Mandrake Control Panel) and it would only allow me to choose one modem and one port. Is there a better way to go about this for my multi-link experiment. tia -sap ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Installing Suse on new computer...need advice
I am looking at buying the computer described below, and one of the guys at work says that I will have all kinds of problems installing Linux on it because of the SCSI hard drive. Is this true? I'm not a hardware person at all and have never installed Linux on a computer from the ground up like this. Will it work on this system? Whadayathink? Nancy Gateway is selling the 6400 Server for $500!! The specs speak for itself: Official Product Features & Specs Pentium III 933MHz Supports up to Two Pentium III Processors 133MHz Front Side Bus Supports 64bit PCI I/O technology Error Checking and Correcting (ECC) Memory system 128MB SDRAM Supports up to 2GB PC133 SDRAM DIMM memory (4 DIMM sockets) 9GB 7200RPM SCSI Hard Drive ServerWorks III LE Server Chipset Integrated Intel PCI 10/100 Twisted Pair Ethernet Integrated PCI Graphics with 4MB memory 20X/48X IDE CD-ROM drive Integrated Dual Channel Ultra160 SCSI Integrated dual-channel bus-mastering PCI IDE interface 1.44-MB 3.5" floppy drive; integrated controller supports a 1.44-MB device Seven PCI expansion slots two 64bit and five 32bit Nine Drive Bays: five internal 3.5", three external 5.25", one external 3.5" floppy Easy-Access Chassis provides tool-free, unobstructed access to key system components, simplifying maintenance and upgrades Two 9-pin 16550-compatible FIFO serial ports; one bi-directional ECP parallel port; one mouse and one keyboard port; two USB ports Phoenix Upgradable Flash BIOS 300W Power Supply To get the $500 price: Click here and then click on the "customize it" option. Under System Promotion pick "Option 1: $400 instant credit" Under Warranty pick "3 year parts & labor w/ 1 year onsite service" Lastly, click on update price and you'll get the server for $500! Please note that it does not have an AGP slot so just put in a high-end PCI video card if you really need to play games. http://www.gatewayatwork.com/prod/sb_gtwy6400_prodinfo.shtml?sourceid=00345825543482997380 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] sco unix...
Hmm... Not as elegant as "linux single" but if you pull out the drive and stick it in a Linux box, you should be able to mount it and change the root password... C. Walt wrote: > I'm the new, proud owner of an unusual > little beast: a sco unix box. > > Unfortunately, I have no information about > the previous logins. (I bought this at a > bankruptcy sale for $100) > > My question is what is the sco unix equiv > of 'linux single' so I can get into this thing? > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Opinion needed on Mail Clients
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Kelly McQuarrie wrote: > Hi Claudine: > > I've been using pine since I switch to unix so I can't compare it to > anything else. Why do you like mutt better? Maybe I should switch? > > -Kelly I use pine, and I can tell you a few things I really don't like about it. ^X (send) and ^C (cancel) are right next to each other. If you let things build up in your inbox, pine takes ages to sort it out on launch. It has gotten confused and dropped mail from the inbox on occasion. If you want to suspend a message in order to examine some late-breaking incoming mail message or check your facts in another -- rotsa ruck. And then there's the security holes. > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Claudine Chionh wrote: > > > you please. Of course, 'power users' are more likely to use > > something like fetchmail to collect POP/IMAP mail independent of > > mail client. Hah! And I thought I used fetchmail because I was too lazy to figure out how to get my mail client to do it. I'm a bit concerned about running fetchmail over an outside network, though -- it doesn't encrypt, does it? Is there a way to set up fetchmail (or other mail clients that have that functionality built in) so that it *does* encrypt both the password and the data stream? Curiouser and curiouser. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] sco unix...
Heya -- Quoth Walt: > I'm the new, proud owner of an unusual little beast: a sco unix box. > Unfortunately, I have no information about the previous logins. (I > bought this at a bankruptcy sale for $100). My question is what is > the sco unix equiv of 'linux single' so I can get into this thing? Did you get the SCO CD-ROMs or floppies with the system? http://www.netsys.com/sunmgr/1998-06/msg00078.html has many suggestions in either case. Cheers, Raven = "Q: Who has more employees -- a standalone ISP, or a phone company's legal branch's Human Resources department? A: That's not funny. See you in court." -- Sean Doran, on NANOG __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Bettina Gille makes Sourceforge Top Ten
Bettina Gille Makes SourceForge Top Ten Users http://sourceforge.net/ http://www.phpgroupware.org/developers.php If only it were in Zope/Python... ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Opinion needed on Mail Clients
On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 09:21:35AM +1200, Penguina wrote: > I use pine, and I can tell you a few things I really don't like > about it. ^X (send) and ^C (cancel) are right next to each other. > > If you let things build up in your inbox, pine takes ages to sort > it out on launch. It has gotten confused and dropped mail from > the inbox on occasion. If you want to suspend a message in order > to examine some late-breaking incoming mail message or check your > facts in another -- rotsa ruck. And then there's the security > holes. Also it loads your entire inbox into RAM. And I know people with 50 MB mailboxes on multiuser machines who have had pine swap itself out. Mary. > > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Claudine Chionh wrote: > > > > > you please. Of course, 'power users' are more likely to use > > > something like fetchmail to collect POP/IMAP mail independent of > > > mail client. > > Hah! And I thought I used fetchmail because I was too lazy to figure > out how to get my mail client to do it. > > I'm a bit concerned about running fetchmail over an outside network, > though -- it doesn't encrypt, does it? Is there a way to set up > fetchmail (or other mail clients that have that functionality built > in) so that it *does* encrypt both the password and the data stream? It's more a problem with the protocols - IMAP and POP don't encrypt. You could set up IMAP over SSL at the other end. There is also a way to tunnel it over ssh. It looks something like preconnect "ssh -C -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] -L 0:y.net:110 sleep 10" password "lkajshflkahsflkhafs" in your .fetchmailrc, but I have never tried it, so suggest research. Mary. -- Mary Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG Key ID: 77625870 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Opinion needed on Mail Clients
Encryption has to be supported on the server side, SPOP or something, doesn't it? Someone gave a talk at our LUG last year about itbuncha stuff about handing out the keys and keeping the keyserver and the pop server talking ?? I don't remember all the details, and I can't place the link to the presentation at the moment. Has anyone deployed secure pop services? --mandi On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Penguina wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Kelly McQuarrie wrote: > > > Hi Claudine: > > > > I've been using pine since I switch to unix so I can't compare it to > > anything else. Why do you like mutt better? Maybe I should switch? > > > > -Kelly > > I use pine, and I can tell you a few things I really don't like > about it. ^X (send) and ^C (cancel) are right next to each other. > > If you let things build up in your inbox, pine takes ages to sort > it out on launch. It has gotten confused and dropped mail from > the inbox on occasion. If you want to suspend a message in order > to examine some late-breaking incoming mail message or check your > facts in another -- rotsa ruck. And then there's the security > holes. > > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Claudine Chionh wrote: > > > > > you please. Of course, 'power users' are more likely to use > > > something like fetchmail to collect POP/IMAP mail independent of > > > mail client. > > Hah! And I thought I used fetchmail because I was too lazy to figure > out how to get my mail client to do it. > > I'm a bit concerned about running fetchmail over an outside network, > though -- it doesn't encrypt, does it? Is there a way to set up > fetchmail (or other mail clients that have that functionality built > in) so that it *does* encrypt both the password and the data stream? > > > Curiouser and curiouser. > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Installing Suse on new computer...need advice
If you have real trouble, you could always get an IDE drive, connect it to the PCI IDE interface, and use that for your boot & system stuff. 9 GB isn't much for multimedia applications, if that's what you want to use it for (one of the few justifications for SCSI Ultra160) and you'll want dedicated HD's if you're doing, say, streaming A/V editing, so running the system off a separate internal disk has other advantages (i.e. freeing up your SCSI Ultra160 drives for the kinds of things they're intended for). If you go that route, you could also 'interleave' swap partitions -- put two partitions on two different physical disks. This really speeds up swapping (if you're running large applications). SCSI support under Linux is pretty good these days -- if you just use the "generic" SCSI driver, you won't necessarily get the performance you'd expect out of the SCSI Ultra160 -- of course, if the disks are not Ultra160 (the 160 refers to the 160 MB/sec transfer rate) then you won't get the performance you'd expect out of an Ultra160 SCSI disk, either. I did a RedHat installation on a machine with only SCSI disks just a few months ago, no dramas whatsoever. So just give it a go, and salvage an olde IDE drive from somewhere if it turns to custard. Cheryl On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Mandi wrote: > > It will depend on the controller. You'll probably want to call them and > ask if they can tell you for sure which card you would get with the > machine, and then look on the net. > > SCSI in general is A-OK, but some adapters are more supported than others. > > --m > > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Nancy Corbett wrote: > > > > > I am looking at buying the computer described below, and one of the guys > > at work says that I will have all kinds of problems installing Linux on it > > because of the SCSI hard drive. Is this true? I'm not a hardware person > > at all and have never installed Linux on a computer from the ground up > > like this. Will it work on this system? Whadayathink? > > Nancy > > > > Gateway is selling the 6400 Server for $500!! The specs speak for itself: > > Official Product Features & Specs > > Pentium III 933MHz > > Supports up to Two Pentium III Processors > > 133MHz Front Side Bus > > Supports 64bit PCI I/O technology > > Error Checking and Correcting (ECC) Memory system > > 128MB SDRAM Supports up to 2GB PC133 SDRAM DIMM memory (4 DIMM sockets) > > 9GB 7200RPM SCSI Hard Drive > > ServerWorks III LE Server Chipset > > Integrated Intel PCI 10/100 Twisted Pair Ethernet > > Integrated PCI Graphics with 4MB memory > > 20X/48X IDE CD-ROM drive > > Integrated Dual Channel Ultra160 SCSI > > Integrated dual-channel bus-mastering PCI IDE interface > > 1.44-MB 3.5" floppy drive; integrated controller supports a 1.44-MB device > > Seven PCI expansion slots two 64bit and five 32bit > > Nine Drive Bays: five internal 3.5", three external 5.25", one external 3.5" > > floppy > > Easy-Access Chassis provides tool-free, unobstructed access to key system > > components, simplifying maintenance and upgrades > > Two 9-pin 16550-compatible FIFO serial ports; one bi-directional > > ECP parallel port; one mouse and one keyboard port; two USB ports > > Phoenix Upgradable Flash BIOS > > 300W Power Supply > > To get the $500 price: > > > > Click here and then click on the "customize it" option. > > Under System Promotion pick "Option 1: $400 instant credit" > > Under Warranty pick "3 year parts & labor w/ 1 year onsite service" > > Lastly, click on update price and you'll get the server for $500! > > Please note that it does not have an AGP slot so just put in a high-end PCI > > video card if you really need to play games. > > > > > > >http://www.gatewayatwork.com/prod/sb_gtwy6400_prodinfo.shtml?sourceid=00345825543482997380 > > > > > > > > ___ > > techtalk mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > > > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] sco unix...
I'm the new, proud owner of an unusual little beast: a sco unix box. Unfortunately, I have no information about the previous logins. (I bought this at a bankruptcy sale for $100) My question is what is the sco unix equiv of 'linux single' so I can get into this thing? Thanks! Walt -~ Laughter is the shortest distance between two people. Victor Borge ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Installing Suse on new computer...need advice
It will depend on the controller. You'll probably want to call them and ask if they can tell you for sure which card you would get with the machine, and then look on the net. SCSI in general is A-OK, but some adapters are more supported than others. --m On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Nancy Corbett wrote: > > I am looking at buying the computer described below, and one of the guys > at work says that I will have all kinds of problems installing Linux on it > because of the SCSI hard drive. Is this true? I'm not a hardware person > at all and have never installed Linux on a computer from the ground up > like this. Will it work on this system? Whadayathink? > Nancy > > Gateway is selling the 6400 Server for $500!! The specs speak for itself: > Official Product Features & Specs > Pentium III 933MHz > Supports up to Two Pentium III Processors > 133MHz Front Side Bus > Supports 64bit PCI I/O technology > Error Checking and Correcting (ECC) Memory system > 128MB SDRAM Supports up to 2GB PC133 SDRAM DIMM memory (4 DIMM sockets) > 9GB 7200RPM SCSI Hard Drive > ServerWorks III LE Server Chipset > Integrated Intel PCI 10/100 Twisted Pair Ethernet > Integrated PCI Graphics with 4MB memory > 20X/48X IDE CD-ROM drive > Integrated Dual Channel Ultra160 SCSI > Integrated dual-channel bus-mastering PCI IDE interface > 1.44-MB 3.5" floppy drive; integrated controller supports a 1.44-MB device > Seven PCI expansion slots two 64bit and five 32bit > Nine Drive Bays: five internal 3.5", three external 5.25", one external 3.5" > floppy > Easy-Access Chassis provides tool-free, unobstructed access to key system > components, simplifying maintenance and upgrades > Two 9-pin 16550-compatible FIFO serial ports; one bi-directional > ECP parallel port; one mouse and one keyboard port; two USB ports > Phoenix Upgradable Flash BIOS > 300W Power Supply > To get the $500 price: > > Click here and then click on the "customize it" option. > Under System Promotion pick "Option 1: $400 instant credit" > Under Warranty pick "3 year parts & labor w/ 1 year onsite service" > Lastly, click on update price and you'll get the server for $500! > Please note that it does not have an AGP slot so just put in a high-end PCI > video card if you really need to play games. > > > >http://www.gatewayatwork.com/prod/sb_gtwy6400_prodinfo.shtml?sourceid=00345825543482997380 > > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Opinion needed on Mail Clients
On Friday, 08 June 2001, Penguina scripsit, > I use pine, and I can tell you a few things I really don't like > about it. ^X (send) and ^C (cancel) are right next to each other. I'll tell you what's silly - I was just fixing up my procmail recipes and sent a whole bunch of mail into a 'Linixchix' folder! Took me ages to wonder where all the Linuxchix mail went . One of the problems changing from pine to mutt was that the keybindings are quite different, especially the keys used to select/tag and apply commands to tagged messages. It didn't take me long to get used to mutt's keybindings, so when I'm stuck somewhere else with pine it drives me crazy! (Mutt keybindings are similar to elm's.) > Hah! And I thought I used fetchmail because I was too lazy to figure > out how to get my mail client to do it. I use fetchmail on my home box, but at work I use mutt to check my IMAP mailboxes. > I'm a bit concerned about running fetchmail over an outside network, > though -- it doesn't encrypt, does it? Is there a way to set up > fetchmail (or other mail clients that have that functionality built > in) so that it *does* encrypt both the password and the data stream? There's a 'fetchmail-ssl' package in Debian - I should look into it. It would depend on whether the server implements SSL, wouldn't it? Claudine -- geek historian - Melbourne, AU Please don't CC duplicate replies to me - I read the group coriander uptime: 9:48am up 2 days, 14:42, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.26, 0.22 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Opinion needed on Mail Clients
On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 09:21:35AM +1200, penguina sed: > I'm a bit concerned about running fetchmail over an outside network, > though -- it doesn't encrypt, does it? Is there a way to set up > fetchmail (or other mail clients that have that functionality built > in) so that it *does* encrypt both the password and the data stream? I'm currently using fetchmail-ssl to suck mail via SPOP. It was simple to get running, the install docs that came with the package were sufficient to get it going in about 10 minutes. You can find it anywhere by just throwing fetchmail-ssl into Google. I'm not sure that's this is the best or most secure method, but it only takes a few minutes so it might be worth a shot. Marisa -- Let reality be the grinding stone upon which you sharpen your hatred. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Re: Opinion needed on Mail Clients
Claudine Chionh wrote: > One of the problems changing from pine to mutt was that the keybindings > are quite different, especially the keys used to select/tag and apply > commands to tagged messages. It didn't take me long to get used to > mutt's keybindings, so when I'm stuck somewhere else with pine it drives > me crazy! (Mutt keybindings are similar to elm's.) I haven't tried it so somebody tell me if I'm wrong, but in /usr/doc/mutt/examples I have Pine.rc which is supposed to fiddle the Mutt keybindings to be just like Pine's, and other stuff to make Mutt look as much like Pine as possible. NFI how well it works or anything. There also seems to be one for Tin. YMMV, bekj -- : Usual state: (e) None of the above. : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : The best thing about the future is that it only comes one day at : a time. -- Abraham Lincoln ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
