Re: [techtalk] problems upgrading to gnome 1.2 and enlightenment 0.16.4
On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 02:43:06PM -0700, colin parr wrote: > Hope somebody can help - I'm having a complete nightmare trying to upgrade > to the above over a standard RH6.1 install (completely fresh - I thought I'd > start over...) on a PIII 500MHz, 64MB, RIVA 32MB TNT2 dual boot w W98. Don't dream it ... do it! (Sorry, lame nighmare joke :-( ) > The RH6.1 goes fine - everything working as you'd expect. I then apply the > RPMs for gnome 1.2 with only one problem - ggv-0.5.3-1 complains about not > having the bonobo libraries but that's OK 'cos its only an application, > right? However, I'm a bit dubious that the install has gone 100% as nothing > much seems to change... so first question : is there any place I can look > to convince myself that the gnome install has gone OK and I'm now running > 1.2? Apologies if this is a silly question - this is the first time I've > tried to do this. I'm not sure of the answer to this, but see below for some hints on working out what really is installed and being executed.. > Anyway I then try to upgrade enlightenment. I apply the imlib-1.9.8-1 and > fnlib-0.5-1 RPMs and then the enlightenment-0.16.4-1 RPM and again > everything appears to go swimmingly until I restart enlightenment whereupon > I get the nasty grey box popping up saying - > > "Enlightenment could not initialise imlib." > > which isn't good and causes enlightenment to exit pretty rapidly. Does > anyone have any ideas? When you say you "applied" the RPMs, what do you mean exactly? Did you do 'rpm -i ...' or 'rpm -U ...'. The first version installs the rpms, but will not remove any older versions, the second one updates older versions to the newer packages (the same as removing the old package before installing the new one). Could you check which version(s) of enlightenment the system thinks it has installed and is going to run? Try 'rpm -q enlightenment imlib fnlib' to see the package versions of each. You could also run 'rpm -qf /usr/bin/enlightenment' which tells you which package your system thinks the enlightenment binary is from. My initial guess is that you have somehow fooled it into running enlightenment 0.16.14 against an older version of the imlib library which is still installed. But that is just a guess taken from what you wrote above. > I can't see what's gone wrong - the only thing I can think of is to try to > install from source but I'd prefer to figure out this and hopefully save > myself some time if that doesn't make any difference. This is unlikely to solve anything if your problem is somehow related to the RPMs you already have installed. One useful tip, if you get everything running perfectly: I am assuming you are upgrading from the default enlightenment that comes with RH6.1 (version 0.15.x). In that case, remove all the 'dot' files from your .enlightenment directory in $HOME (I mean, all the files matching .???* -- so don't try to remove . and .., of course :-) ). If you don't do this, enlightenment gets a bit confused internally about what version it is running and you don't get the functionality of version 16 (although it still runs, so you often don't realise that something is askew). Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm Tredinnickemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CommSecure Pty Ltd PGP signature
[techtalk] A Seattle newbie
Dear all, my name is Betsy Aoki and I've just started up the Seattle Linuxchix chapter. I have some experience doing this kind of thing because I founded the Seattle Webgrrls chapter in 1995 and it is now about 3,000 women - but I am an utter Linux newbie and I apologize in advance for dumb questions as I work through my Redhat 6.2 install and setup tweaking. I would like to know what you think the Linux tech "basics" are in terms of what my chapter should cover for newbies like myself, and then to keep our guru women happy, what whizzy items should we focus on? We meet once a month for install parties but I'm trying to get a few more interesting things happening as well. All feedback welcome as I drown in acronyms! Betsy Aoki ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Goodby Windows, hello Linux!
Hi, My name is Mike Youngblood and I'm a newbie regarding Linux. I have been using computers since early 1983. I do computer graphics and at the time, the only machine that would do color was the IBM (Macs weren't out yet). Consequently, my money is invested in WIntel machines. Last year I became completely frustrated by Windows' "Blue Screen of Death." Consequently, I began looking hard at Linux (even purchased Red Hat Linux V5.2). But Linux could not run the high end graphical software I use. Recently, my son who is a computer engineer, showed me Mandrake 7.1 running Windows98 in Virtual Machine. Not only was I impressed with the stunning versatility of Mandrake 7.1 (the diversity of GUIs available is impressive), but being able to run Windows98 applications on Linux using Virtual Machine sold me. I am about to install Mandrake 7.1 on my system. But first, I thought I would seek some advice from those more experienced with Linux. 1. I believe the best plan for me is to install Mandrake on a second hard drive rather than to dual boot it from the same drive that now runs windows. That way, I can learn to use Linux without screwing up my Windows OS and applications. As I understand it, all I need to do to manage this is to install LILO on the first hard drive. Right? Wrong? Also, is there a set of instructions for installing Linux on a second drive somewhere on line? 2. I believe I can install a copy of Windows98 in the Virtual Machine running in Linux on my second hard drive without problems (conflicts) between it and Windows98 on my first drive. Right? Wrong? Some other issues: 3. I know that Linux does not yet recognize DVD drives. I have learned through information on various Linux sites that this doesn't matter because Linux will treat my DVD drive as a regular CD ROM drive. My question when installing Linux, it will ask me what flavor of CD-ROM drive is in my system. What do I answer? Is there a generic CD-ROM specification I can use? 4. Where may I find out what hardware Linux supports? For instance, I have a SyQuest 1.5 MB SCSI external drive and a UMAX SCSI scanner. I am also running a Palm IIIxe. Any advice you may have will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Regards to all, Mike. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Goodby Windows, hello Linux!
At 03:59 PM 8/5/00 EDT, you wrote: >Hi, >My name is Mike Youngblood and I'm a newbie regarding Linux. I have Hello, Mike. >1. I believe the best plan for me is to install Mandrake on a second hard >drive rather >than to dual boot it from the same drive that now runs windows. That way, I >can learn to use Linux without screwing up my Windows OS and applications. >As I understand it, all I need to do to manage this is to install LILO on the >first hard drive. Right? Wrong? Also, is there a set of instructions for >installing Linux on a second drive somewhere on line? These Howto's should help: - Multi-disk System Tuning Howto http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Multi-Disk-HOWTO.html - Lilo Multiboot Howto http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Multiboot-with-LILO.html > >2. I believe I can install a copy of Windows98 in the Virtual Machine >running in Linux on my second hard drive without problems (conflicts) between >it and Windows98 on my first drive. Right? Wrong? > I don't know the answer to that one. >Some other issues: > >3. I know that Linux does not yet recognize DVD drives. I have learned >through >information on various Linux sites that this doesn't matter because Linux >will treat my DVD drive as a regular CD ROM drive. My question when >installing Linux, it will ask me what flavor of CD-ROM drive is in my system. > What do I answer? Is there a generic CD-ROM specification I can use? > Most CD-ROM's use the ISO 9660 file system. You might find more information in the Linux CD-ROM Howto http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CDROM-HOWTO.html. >4. Where may I find out what hardware Linux supports? For instance, I have a >SyQuest 1.5 MB SCSI external drive and a UMAX SCSI scanner. I am also running >a Palm IIIxe. > Try these howtos: - The Linux Hardware Compatibility Howto http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html - Palm Howto http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/PalmOS-HOWTO.html There is also the - Linux Hardware Database at http://www.linhardware.com/ Note: Since you're into graphics, you might like to have a look at a site called "The Graphics Muse" at http://www.graphics-muse.org/. This should keep you out of trouble for a while! ;-> Glen Strom [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] A Seattle newbie
Elizabeth Aoki wrote: > > Dear all, > I would like to know what you think the Linux tech "basics" are in terms of > what my chapter should cover for newbies like myself, and then to keep our > guru women happy, what whizzy items should we focus on? We meet once a month > for install parties but I'm trying to get a few more interesting things > happening as well. It's been a long time since I was a newbie, so I don't know what is needed there. As for the guru women: why not ask them? Gurus tend to specialise in their own areas - what interests me may not interest the next one. OTOH, try inviting/encouraging the guru women to give talks on their own areas of expertise, for the other gurus - or for the newbies - or for both. (not necessarily in the same lecture). Use your own resources.. :) Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Goodby Windows, hello Linux!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > 1. I believe the best plan for me is to install Mandrake on a second hard > drive rather > than to dual boot it from the same drive that now runs windows. That way, I > can learn to use Linux without screwing up my Windows OS and applications. The only real danger here is in repartitioning the drive. However, it's usually unlikely that you happen to /conveniently/ have a spare partition or two for Linux, so yes, use the other drive. :) > As I understand it, all I need to do to manage this is to install LILO on the > first hard drive. Right? Wrong? Also, is there a set of instructions for > installing Linux on a second drive somewhere on line? Right. :) As for the instructions, someone else sent you to the HowTos. Let us know if you're still confused. > 2. I believe I can install a copy of Windows98 in the Virtual Machine > running in Linux on my second hard drive without problems (conflicts) between > it and Windows98 on my first drive. Right? Wrong? Um. I don't know. Dancer runs Wine (a WINdows Emulator) and uses the basic dual-boot Windows that's already there. But I don't know how Virtual Machine does it. > Some other issues: > > 3. I know that Linux does not yet recognize DVD drives. I have learned > through > information on various Linux sites that this doesn't matter because Linux > will treat my DVD drive as a regular CD ROM drive. My question when > installing Linux, it will ask me what flavor of CD-ROM drive is in my system. > What do I answer? Is there a generic CD-ROM specification I can use? Linux is getting there with DVDs. Of course, the whole legal mess may mean we solve it technically but aren't /allowed/ to install it. However, there's a fun little clause in the copyright act modifications for digital media: 1. copy protection schemes may not be reverse engineered 2. nothing in this act may restrict fair use. Being able to /use/ an honestly-bought drive and an honestly-bought DVD is fair use, isn't it? Well.. we'll manage, one way or another. ISO9660 should be your generic CD-ROM. > 4. Where may I find out what hardware Linux supports? For instance, I have a > SyQuest 1.5 MB SCSI external drive and a UMAX SCSI scanner. I am also running > a Palm IIIxe. There's SCSI support, so they should work fine. There's a whole /range/ of Palm syncers and suchlike. I'm currently using JPilot, but we installed a whole bunch of new ones when I upgraded Gnome, and I'm about to experiment with them. :) Jenn V. -- "Do you ever wonder if there's a whole section of geek culture you miss out on by being a geek?" - Dancer. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Jenn Vesperman http://www.simegen.com/~jenn/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] A Seattle newbie
> I would like to know what you think the Linux tech "basics" are in terms of > what my chapter should cover for newbies like myself, and then to keep our > guru women happy, what whizzy items should we focus on? We meet once a month > for install parties but I'm trying to get a few more interesting things > happening as well. Like Jenn suggested, I would talk to the guru girls and ask them what they're interested in. Maybe find some topics that ALL the girls are interested in and see if one of the guru girls can present on any of the topics (or if ANY of the girls are willing to study up on and present on that topic). Maybe find a local LUG and ask that group if they have ideas (in the Sunday Times' "Personal Technology" section there are usually special interest group listings).. or talk to a linux-using company to see if they have someone willing to come present. As someone who is content with their current knowledge (minus a few projects), I would still come to meetings even if all we were doing is installing... the bull session and questions that come out of such a meeting are always interesting. You might also expand your once a month install party into an install-and-troubleshoot party or an install-and-questions party where people who have existing installs can come say "hey, anyone know how to fix this problem?" and work it out for/with them on the spot. As an aside... do you have set meeting times/places? While I live on the other side of the state, my family lives in Seattle and we visit often. It'd be nice to drop in on a meeting, if I knew when they were maybe we could plan on being in town. -nicole ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] XDM and xinitrc
I use XDM to start my X-Window sessions. My window manager is FVWM2. I have $HOME/.fvwm2rc which is being read when FVWM starts. I have my .xinitrc in $HOME, which is not being read. I have some customizations which are not being executed. When I try to modify the global xinitrc, then after login I get one xclock, the wallpaper and nothing else. What should I do or check to get $HOME/.xinitrc to be executed? Thank you in advance. -- Subba Rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] XDM and xinitrc
On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 08:44:47PM -0400, Subba Rao wrote: > > I use XDM to start my X-Window sessions. My window manager is FVWM2. > I have $HOME/.fvwm2rc which is being read when FVWM starts. I have my > .xinitrc in $HOME, which is not being read. I have some customizations > which are not being executed. When I try to modify the global xinitrc, > then after login I get one xclock, the wallpaper and nothing else. > > What should I do or check to get $HOME/.xinitrc to be executed? On most xdm installations I have seen, the system 'xinitrc' files are run and then the Xsession script checks for $HOME/.xinitrc and $HOME/.Xclients (in that order). If either of these exist _and_ are exectuable, then they are run as shell scripts. Consequently, you could set up a link from $HOME/.xsession to $HOME/.xinitrc and make sure that .xinitrc is executable. Alternatively, just copy .xinitrc over to .xsession -- this approach being preferable if there are things you do when starting from xdm that you don't when starting from a prompt with startx. Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm Tredinnickemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CommSecure Pty Ltd PGP signature
