Re: [techtalk] html editors
Excerpts from linuxchix: 22-Mar-100 Re: [techtalk] html editors by Mari [EMAIL PROTECTED] > No, sorry... Writing HTML from scratch using emacs has filled all my > needs so far :-) Emacs psgml mode is great! Commands to insert an element and the required sub-elements, complete a tag name, automatically insert the correct end tag, insert an attribute, etc. I use it to do DocBook, and haven't actually tried doing it with HTML, though. Actually, regarding integrated graphics editors, it probably wouldn't be too difficult to implement a spawn-gimp command. :) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
Thanx.. I didnt know they made one!!! ill check it out ( tho..i must admit I did try it a long time ago for windows and wasnt to impressed BUT that was then and this is NOW !!) cheerz dez > Coffeecup for Linux (www.coffeecup.com) is pretty good, and doesn't add > excessive code that isn't needed. > > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
Hi dez, [Also, hi to everybody since this is my first post.] Have you tried Bluefish? If not, check out: http://bluefish.linuxbox.com/ (You need Gtk+ library and Imlib. I assume that you are using GNOME on Linux, so you should be able to install binary package and run it.) :eito On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:01:27AM +0800, dez wrote: > hiyas peoples > > Can anyone suggest a great ( note not good but great *grin*) html > editor..for those with win experiance I'd like something akin to hotdog > pro.. ive been looking at tucows and a few other places but i dont > seem to be able to get anything beyond gnotepad etc ( which is good but > not great) i write and maintain man websites and to be honest im sick > of crossing in to windows i find hotdog pro givves me the > tools to write a page for all browsers/all platforms and all > resolutions this is so important to be able to > view thru others eyes... > > TIA dez (desiree) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
s the correct end tag, insert an attribute, etc. I use it to do DocBook, ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:02:27AM -0500 or thereabouts, Laurel Fan wrote: > > Emacs psgml mode is great! Commands to insert an element and the > required sub-elements, complete a tag name, automatically insert > the correct end tag, insert an attribute, etc. I use it to do DocBook, > and haven't actually tried doing it with HTML, though. I didn't realise it would do HTML, but I suppose if you have the right DTD thingy at the top? I came across psgml mode when I started messing about with DocBook and a sneaky emacs user said, "And you'll need the psgml package, too" and then later, "start emacs on a .sgml file and then...". I would consider that a very sneaky evangelism tactic, but the psgml mode simply rocks. It is making me readjust my "must learn this at some stage" priorities to put emacs right back up towards the top. If the other modes provide similar advantages to people who are writing C or Lisp or so on documents, I suddenly realise why people live inside emacs. But for now, for DocBook, I use joe. Similarly for HTML. I keep finding myself closing tags in HTML as a matter of course now, (well, actually, I keep doing "http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Outlook woes
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:27:12PM +0800 or thereabouts, dez wrote: > thanx ..jeff..BTW all yours are cpoming thru as an attachment which i > thought was odd... > so thats what mine were doing eh? > yep i agree...dont get me started on outlook ...owww [snip] > dez > - Original Message - > From: Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [snip] This isn't intended as a flame about mail or aimed at anyone in particular. The combination of the comment on Outlook and an email from my sister simultaneously just put it into my head. My sister is forced to use Outlook at work and got fed up of not being able to snip and quote messages as she was wont to do with Unix-like mailers. She figured out how to get it to let her quote things at the top and insert her comments at the appropriate stages rather than put up with doing her reply first with the message she was replying to stuck down at the bottom, which irks some people. (I used to use elm when it didn't have the ability to scroll backwards through a message, so I sympathise with this a lot!) Would it help anyone if I get her to describe how to force it to behave itself? Or is there someone on the list who knows how and who can summarise? Actually, a brilliant FAQ entry would be: I have mailer XYZ. How do I... o Make it do lines of 72 or so characters? o Stop it putting the quoted message at the bottom? o Stop it defaulting to "HTML mail" or multipart mime stuff? If we could get the _answers_ for those and put them somewhere accessible, that would be even better :) Or is it done somewhere already? If so, the URL would be really useful to know! Telsa ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
dez wrote: > So I take it that you have no suggestions of a similar HTML editor for linux > like Hotdog ??? > Hi, Well... I've never used Hotdog, so I can't compare, but I've found three I can use and like reasonably well. The simplest, and IMHO, the best, especially if you basically do raw coding, is Webmaker, which was written for KDE. You can use with with Gnome or any WM, but you do need QT installed. I also like SCREEM (written for Gnome) and have played a little with Bluefish, and it looks promising too. Take care, Caity (website updated with Webmaker) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
At 11:44 PM -0800 3/21/00, Jeff wrote: >On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:27:12PM +0800, dez wrote: > > thanx ..jeff..BTW all yours are cpoming thru as an attachment which i > > thought was odd... > >Yeah, mine does that on purpose, except it isn't html; it is a PGP >signature. yes, however, ANY attachment is bad form on a mailing list. I REALLY don't like having my attachments folder fill up with Untitled, Untitled 1, Untitled 2, etc. Please, remove the signature. Thank you. -- Julia Frizzellhttp://www.netspace.org/~glyneth [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.theblackroad.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 8458071 "I have ham." -Darth Vader in the Death Star canteen, via Eddie Izzard ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
#if dez > thanx ..jeff..BTW all yours are cpoming thru as an attachment which i > thought was odd... Well to be picky, the first text part of Jeff's messages should have 'Content-Disposition: inline' in the envelope, to tell the MUA that this part should be viewed automatically. In practice, it's quite easy to write the code in the MUA that simply looks for the first text part of the message and displays that, assuming that it is the message body. /me lives and breaths RFC822 ;) Rik ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
#if dez > Can anyone suggest a great ( note not good but great *grin*) > html editor..for those with win experiance I'd like something akin to > hotdog pro.. I suggest doing layout by hand, to ensure correct rendering in graphical, text and speech browsers. I also suggest using style sheets for display purposes and keeping your HTML for content only, as nature intended. I also suggest using a preprocessor to save you work. On the other hand, check out the already-mentioned Amaya. Rik ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Mailing list
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Re: [techtalk] html editors
#if Julia Frizzell > > yes, however, ANY attachment is bad form on a mailing list. I REALLY > don't like having my attachments folder fill up with Untitled, > Untitled 1, Untitled 2, etc. Um, then get a less brain-dead mail client. Rik ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors: Amaya
Jeff wrote: > Has anyone suggested Amaya yet? Now, admittedly, I haven't used it, but > in my search for The-Perfect-Browser-That-Doesn't-Exist-Yet... I've used Amaya. It's halfway decent, although there are the occasional odd IU idioms you have to use to do what seem like perfectly ordinary things. It's an interesting design problem to map from a paradigm (like HTML) which is deliberately agnostic about a lot of display mechanics into a graphical display space that nonetheless preserves that agnosticism. A design problem that nobody has the final solution to yet... Look how odd it is to figure out how to move your cursor to a place that doesn't exist yet in Netscape Composer, ferinstance: text inside a table cell, ferinstance. In Amaya, what mystifies me a lot is inserting a new element--if it's not the element that Amaya expected next. That said, Amaya is nicely immune from the disease so mand other HTML edits have., which is: "My GUI displayed it this way so I'm gonna "/ -AOPA 925383/(, /| /|http://www.voicenet.com/~maggie/maggie.html / AMSAT 32844/ / | / | _ _ _` "The art of progress consists/ ARRL 39280/ ) / |/ |_(_(_(_/_(_/__(__(/_ of preserving order amid / EAA 600137 (_/ '.-/ .-/change and change amid order."/ -KB3DXS-/(_/ (_/__A.N.Whitehead___/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] SB Live! and SiS 5597 on linux
This is my first posting, so forgive me if this is a worn-out question. Can I get SB Live! to work under linux? I'm using Redhat 6.0 on a Pentium. Windows98 is also loaded. I'm also having an annoying problem with the monitor in X. If I run in 1024x768, I get a default bit depth of 8. It won't let me choose any other. My card supports 8,16,24, and 32. I've tried reordering and commenting out the others in XF86Config, but then it won't run at all. I have flicker problems with this setting under X and Windows. In Windows, if I use the True Color depth (24 bits I think), everything is fine. X won't let me do it. If this is some sort of linux problem, a lower resolution would be fine. I've tried this too, and there's no flicker, but my screen is squashed. My monitor is a Panasonic C1381 (which I had to configure using xf86config since it's old and only has a hsync rate of 30-37kHz) and my card is SiS5597. is there any help for either of these? Michelle __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] more "trying to track down egroups.com stuff" mail (ignore)
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Re: [techtalk] those bloody "moderator" messages
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Deb Richardson wrote: >It appears that someone has subscribed techtalk to a moderated list at >egroups.com. I thought that someone had subscribed the moderated egroups list to techtalk. As evidence, so far only people who have posted to one of the linxchix lists (techtalk I suppose) have seen the messages about moderated lists. I know that I have not (yet! :) seen one. Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] on the subscription list for techtalk? If not, then someone might have forwarded their personal email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which would be harder to track down (short of mailing a separate message to each subscriber and seeing which one spams back). (Geek that I am, I can't help thinking: perl script! :) Amanda ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Raid and IMAP
Hey All, I don't know if I'm just thinking to much about this but hopefully someone can help. I want to setup a software raid for mail users to boost I/O while reading the disks. The users can access the mail either thru TWIG or pine/elm. My question is this, which filesystem to put on the raid. I was initally thinking /var/spool/mail b/c this (I think) is where all new mail is stored. Then I started thinking /home/* b/c /home/user/mail is where there folders are stored. Anyone done this before and have suggestions? Regards, Harry Hoffman Product Systems Specialist Restaurants Unlimited Inc. 206.634.3082 x. 270 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Raid and IMAP
Hi! From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I want to setup a software raid for mail users to boost > I/O while reading the disks. > My question is this, which filesystem to put on the raid. I was initally > thinking /var/spool/mail b/c this (I think) is where all new mail is > stored. Then I started thinking /home/* b/c /home/user/mail is where there > folders are stored. Anyone done this before and have suggestions? What do you want to speed up? Or better, what is to slow for your needs? Where do you think is more perfermance possible? Now the important questions: How many Users? Where are the Homedirectories (no nfs)? What MailTransferAgent do you use? Do you have quotas? Is the mailserver relay or _the_ mailhost or is it just receiving the mail for the x users? How many mails go in which direction (approximately)? Further questions: How do you backup the homedirs? Size of the homedirs? Mailspoolsize now? How many disks of which size do you have for your RAID? If you just want to play with RAID take the homedirs. (: Ciao, Rob ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
RE: [techtalk] outlook
#if Jeff >It sent the html as an attachment... ugh. I won't start about Outlook Hey now, bear in mind that some of us are subscribed at work and don't have a CHOICE!!! -Sally Unhappily leashed to NT and MS Office til 5pm each day ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Testing
Just to see what I can see -- Steve - Cheltenham, UK - In love and light we are In darkness we are no less ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] outlook
#if [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > #if Jeff > >It sent the html as an attachment... ugh. I won't start about Outlook > > Hey now, bear in mind that some of us are subscribed at work and don't have > a CHOICE!!! Whoah, took me a few seconds there to realise that I didn't write this. I don't know, you make up an attribution style and people adopt it. Imitation is the sincerest form etc... ;) Rik ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Outlook woes
> Actually, a brilliant FAQ entry would be: > I have mailer XYZ. How do I... > o Make it do lines of 72 or so characters? > o Stop it putting the quoted message at the bottom? > o Stop it defaulting to "HTML mail" or multipart mime stuff? As a user of Outlook Express 5.0 for Mac here in the lab, and of Outlook Express 5.0 for Windows at home, I would be willing to help with such an entry. Also, while I hate to admit it, OE 5.0 for the Mac is the best IMAP client I've used, bar none. Its ability to handle text in replies and rewrap quoted lines is great. There, my guilty secret is out... Jeramia Ory ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] X/windowmaker
Allrighty so after some trials and tribulations with X and it's fonts (everything came up like barcodes), I have X and WindowMaker up and running on a 2nd computer... video card is an ATI rage 128, using xserver-svga (X doesn't agree with it being a mach 64, that's fine with me) on xfree 3.3.6-5. I have a couple of problems. The first one is just plain irritating... the fonts in applications are too dang big. Licq and mozilla seem to set their own font sizes but things like netscape and gaim use whatever the "default" is (right now it looks about 14 point helvetica to me). I want it to be smaller, but I can't figure out where to change it. I installed both xfs and xfstt. In /etc/X11/xfs/config, I changed default-point-size to = 75 (it was something like 120 before) and my default-resolutions to 60,60,75,75 (they were 75,75,100,100), but nothing changed when I restarted X (and I did relogin just to be safe). I am thinking it might be WindowMaker's fault and not xfs', but I can't find *anywhere* in WindowMaker's prefs or silly little conf files to change it. I see /usr/share/WindowMaker/Defaults/WMGLOBAL which says to use "-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-%d-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" for the SystemFont, but there is no size in there (it's a %d instead). In /usr/share/WindowMaker/Defaults/WindowMaker, I tried changing "DisplayFont" to "-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" (it was 12). No change there, either. I'm pretty much stuck... I tried looking over my conf files on my machine that does display smaller fonts, but I can't figure out where it is. I know I copied some of the config files from our RH install of WindowMaker (probably only in my home directory though), but I just can't seem to find out what's the kicker. The big fonts are nice, but until I can use both of my monitors/video cards, things are going to have to be a little smaller. The second problem happens when I use xterms, usually applications like pine and pico but sometimes with others. Occasionally when a dialog(ish) line pops up (which should be at the bottom of the screen above my command hints), it pops up at the top of my screen (not the xterm window, totally outside of the window) instead of where it should, or the text doesn't show up at all. I have seen it several times with ctrl+w (whereis), the "Search []:" part comes up at the very upper left hand corner of my screen (atop my clip), but when I type in my response it is held within the window just fine. Sometimes the nifty white (well it's white by default) bar at the top of pine disappears... sometimes in part, sometimes in full. I have no idea how that happens, I usually just ctrl+l to refresh and try to ignore it. I don't know if it's with apps that use ncurses in general, or just with pine/pico (since I don't use any other ncurses apps it's hard to tell). any clues/suggestions? thanks, nicole ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:38:30AM -0500, Julia Frizzell wrote: > At 11:44 PM -0800 3/21/00, Jeff wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:27:12PM +0800, dez wrote: > > > thanx ..jeff..BTW all yours are cpoming thru as an attachment which i > > > thought was odd... > > > >Yeah, mine does that on purpose, except it isn't html; it is a PGP > >signature. > > yes, however, ANY attachment is bad form on a mailing list. I REALLY > don't like having my attachments folder fill up with Untitled, > Untitled 1, Untitled 2, etc. > > Please, remove the signature. Um, no. I use it to identify myself in my email. I personally believe that we all should be using encryption in email, so we can have some form of authentication. You can get PGPi or GPG (which I will be switching to in the next couple of weeks) for free -- PGPi for personal use, GPG is GPL'd. As Rik put it, get a less braindead mail client. I have actually never seen a setup where the attachments all get dumped in their own folder. What are you using? -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
[techtalk] Apache redirects
I'm not sure this is appropriate to this list...In setting up Apache on my server, I was going through documentation and read through the Redirect and RedirectTemp directives. Is there a reason to configure these directives for a redirect in Apache itself, rather than using a simple html redirect? Thanks, Yvonne Yvonne J. Beever Networked Services Administrator Texas State Library & Archives Commission 1201 Brazos Street Austin, TX 78701 512-463-5528 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] SB Live! and SiS 5597 on linux
Excerpts from linuxchix: 22-Mar-100 [techtalk] SB Live! and SiS.. by "m d"@hotmail.com > This is my first posting, so forgive me if this is a worn-out question. > Can I get SB Live! to work under linux? I'm using Redhat 6.0 on a > Pentium. Windows98 is also loaded. Yes. There is a driver at http://opensource.creative.com (called emu10k1, i think). There is also an ALSA driver at http://www.alsa-project.org. > I'm also having an annoying problem with the monitor in X. If I run in > 1024x768, I get a default bit depth of 8. It won't let me choose any > other. I assume you've tried startx -- -bbp 24. Make sure your HorizSync and VertRefresh are right, because X will refuse to use a mode if it thinks your monitor can't do it. Also make sure the dotclock of your video card is set right. Make sure you have a Display subsection for that depth in the screen section. You can specify multiple resolutions to try (switch between them with Ctrl-Alt-Numpad+ and Ctrl-Alt-Numpad-) by specifying multiple modes like this: Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "640x480" "800x600" "1024x768" "1280x1024" "1600x1200" ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection Also make sure you have an appropriate modeline. The XFree86 Video Timings HOWTO explains what it all means, and also how to do your own if you want: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/XFree86-Video-Timings-HOWTO.html This HOWTO will also tell you how to make an interlaced mode (which I suspect is how Windows gets 1024x768). There's only one of those my autogenerated XF86Config, so adding your own might help. The squashed thing sounds like it's trying to use a doublescan mode, and not working. You might want to comment those out, or just not use a resolution that low (640x480 should be low enough) ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Raid and IMAP
Hey Robert, Below are the specs > What do you want to speed up? Or better, what is to slow for your > needs? Where do you think is more perfermance possible? Well, it seems that in mail/IMAP generally the bottleneck is always disk I/O. I am hoping to gain performance from a SCSI software raid array. I'm thinking raid 0+1. > > Now the important questions: How many Users? Where are the > Homedirectories (no nfs)? What MailTransferAgent do you use? Do you > have quotas? Is the mailserver relay or _the_ mailhost or is it just > receiving the mail for the x users? How many mails go in which > direction (approximately)? Looking at approx. 200 users, home directories are currently on a partition of the second ide drive (/home/*). I am not using NFS and hope not to have to use it. The mailserver relays for the webserver so that those checking mail via TWIG will have any info in the same place, ie->mailserver. The mail server also runs SPOP, IMAP, and ssh for pine connections. This MTA is sendmail and IMAP is UW (although I'm looking at Cyrus). As for the mail, it's the old 80/20 rule. I've got a few users who get approx 500-700 mails a day with the rest probably averaging 40 per day. > > Further questions: How do you backup the homedirs? Size of the > homedirs? Mailspoolsize now? How many disks of which size do you have > for your RAID? Backup is currently done with a Travan tape drive daily incremental with weekly full backup. Don't know what the current spool size is. I do have quotas of 10M in effect for all but a few users. I am thinking about 2 Adaptec 2940UW card holding 3 9.1G drives each. The reason for this is to seperate the user directoies into two sections (ie a and b) and try to do load balancing that way. I definetley do want to play with Raid but also need to make sure that it does the job. If I were doiing it with IDE drives than i wouldn't sweat it but the SCSI are a little more colstly and I would like to be able to justifiy my expense. THanks, Harry > > If you just want to play with RAID take the homedirs. (: > > Ciao, > Rob > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] RE: problem unsubscribing
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Re: [techtalk] html editors
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 09:29:36PM +, Steve Howes wrote: > Jeff wrote: > > Um, no. I use it to identify myself in my email. I personally believe > > that we all should be using encryption in email, so we can have some > > form of authentication. You can get PGPi or GPG (which I will be > > switching to in the next couple of weeks) for free -- PGPi for personal > > use, GPG is GPL'd. > > > > But isn't there a time and place for authentication? > Seems a little OTT for a 'public' mailing list. Yes there is. It is when I send the email, which is precisely when I do the authentication. You see, the design of the email system is such that this is the best method for verification of someone's identity. It would be impossible to maintain a centralized user list somewhere, and if you used a trust system of any sort, well, people already spoof headers (I've done it before). The only real workable method is to use an encryption scheme and tack it on as a rider to the message. PGP5 uses "PGP/MIME", which is the attachment on my emails. PGP2 (and I think GPG) tack on something to a message which looks like my geekcode below. I'm assuming that because you asked, you don't understand public key encryption (and if you do, my apologies, but I'm betting someone on the list doesn't). I have a pair of keys that can encrypt (scramble) and decrypt (unscramble) data. What one can encrypt the other can decrypt. I keep one of them private, and the other I allow the world to see (url at the bottom of this email). What happens when I send an email is the text of the message is "hashed", meaning, the characters are added together, subtracted, bitmask'd and whatnot to produce a number (similar to md5sum, except SHA is a better algorithm). This number gets encrypted with my private key, and the encrypted number is tacked onto the email. If you wanted to verify if it is me, you grab my public key, decrypt the signature and compare it to another SHA hash of the message. This is all done automatically. All I ever see is a password prompt when I send an email, likewise, mutt will do the checking automatically too. I feel this important, because, yeah anonymity is nice -- and that doesn't have to go away -- but there are times when someone needs to know it is you who is sending the message. Legal contracts anyone? There is no way to sign a contract from a distance with out using dead tree format, notorization, etc. That and if you need to, you can encrypt an email with my public key and send it to me, I'll be the only person who can read that piece of mail. -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
Re: [techtalk] html editors
Steve quipped:>>> . I REALLY > > > don't like having my attachments folder fill up with Untitled, > > > Untitled 1, Untitled 2, etc. > > > > > ***Funnyon mine all of your messages (jeff) are coming thru as 2 attachments.. no actual message in the main which means I have to open the attachments to read your mail... BTW which pgp do you use??? is it a Linux proggie??? or for winx/linux too??? cheerz dez ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Shell Scripts
Trying to learn more about shell scripts. Examples would be of great benefit as would site recommendations. Any tips are appreciated. Lisa ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
authentication (Was: Re: [techtalk] html editors)
Excerpts from linuxchix: 22-Mar-100 Re: [techtalk] html editors by Steve
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> But isn't there a time and place for authentication?
> Seems a little OTT for a 'public' mailing list.
Why? Authentication is no less important in a public forum. It prevents
someone from forging an embarassing post, prevents an identity war ("I'm
the real one!" "No, I'm the real one!"), etc.
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[techtalk] How do I setup a Linux Firewall to access an NT file server
How do I setup a Linux Firewall to re-direct access to an NT file server? I am trying to use an NT4 machine through a 3'rd nic ... Re:Subnet Do I need to use Squid or something like it? The firewall script I am using sees the 3'rd card as a connection to block even though it's IP address is allowed in the hosts.allow. I must try to figure out the rule sets to allow access from the outside world to the NT Server box while keeping the internal network secure.
Re: [techtalk] Outlook woes
YES PLEEEAE! :) (nb: not quite a shout but a yelp of pain and begging ...:)) dez > > Would it help anyone if I get her to describe how to force it to > behave itself? Or is there someone on the list who knows how and > who can summarise? > > Actually, a brilliant FAQ entry would be: > I have mailer XYZ. How do I... > o Make it do lines of 72 or so characters? > o Stop it putting the quoted message at the bottom? > o Stop it defaulting to "HTML mail" or multipart mime stuff? > > If we could get the _answers_ for those and put them somewhere > accessible, that would be even better :) Or is it done somewhere > already? If so, the URL would be really useful to know! > > Telsa > > > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] HTML --thanx to all.............
Thanx to all who posted suggestions regarding a linux html editor .. tho starting out as a simple request it became much more. It seemed to become a forum for "by hand versus an editor" >From the posts there is the general conception that if you use an editor you are not "coding by hand" Tho some wsyiwyg editors do everything for you they are not for the serious or proffessional some --like hotdog( professional) -- offer you a notepad to do your code The wonderful list of different tags for different types of html should you need a reference point -the ability to view it as it would appear on the web on demand--. -the ability to edit images-- -- write, insert and run various scripts,-- -- link checker , - -upload and publish,( should you wish to do it this way )- -create image maps --, create applets and heaps more to mention here-- and all in one window...( and its a good ol' homegrown -oz- product*grin*) I have been coding HTML since 1994 and in those days I just did it live via Telnet.. however a lot has changed since then..there is no longer one standard and one evolving language... when writing commercial websites I find these things invaluable both to my time and my stress levels. 'cheerz to all and thanx ive downloaded bluefish and in the process of getting coffecup ..i shall let you know my 2cents worth. regardz dez ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors: Amaya
> > in my search for The-Perfect-Browser-That-Doesn't-Exist-Yet... > ..Have you tried Opera ??? it is alpha ( maybe even beta by now ) for linux...and although I didnt like the way everything was in one window ( you could often accidentaly close the damn thing in the middle of 10 downloads) everything else was great. Under the MS platform it was the fastest to load pages and to download. light and easy to steer.even comes with power brakes :) methinks its at opera.com or something similar cheers dez ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Shell Scripts
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:16:08PM -0400, Lisa Dickson wrote: > Trying to learn more about shell scripts. Examples would be of great > benefit as would site recommendations. Any tips are appreciated. > Here's a presentation given by one of the member at the local lug. http://www.msu.edu/~pfaffben/shell/shell.pdf -- Dan Nguyen | C [EMAIL PROTECTED] | CC [EMAIL PROTECTED]| CCC 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Shell Scripts
On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:16:08PM -0400, Lisa Dickson wrote: > Trying to learn more about shell scripts. Examples would be of great > benefit as would site recommendations. Any tips are appreciated. Ok, I'm going to tell you to RTFM, *grin* Actually, seriously, the best place to look is in the man page. Well, after you learn the basics. Anyway, what do you know about them as it stands, can you write basic ones, or are you totally confused as to what the heck these things are? Just wondering, so I know where to start... -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] my last message...
I did send the one about the shell scripts. I messed up on the signing (I temporarily turned it off to be a little nicer to someone I was communicating with offlist, their mail client was being a pain in the ass about the attachments, it was Outlook...) -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
[techtalk] RE: lunch, friday?
Still checking. I will let you know. -A > -Original Message- > From: Deb Richardson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 3:24 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: lunch, friday? > > > Hi there. > > Left you voicemail, don't know if you'll get it...just checking in on > having lunch on friday...shaver's in if you can get your > chief sci. guy > there. > > lemme know. > > - deb (if you want to email shaver directly, he's [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] html editors
Jeff wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:38:30AM -0500, Julia Frizzell wrote: > > At 11:44 PM -0800 3/21/00, Jeff wrote: > > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:27:12PM +0800, dez wrote: > > > > thanx ..jeff..BTW all yours are cpoming thru as an attachment which i > > > > thought was odd... > > > > > >Yeah, mine does that on purpose, except it isn't html; it is a PGP > > >signature. > > > > yes, however, ANY attachment is bad form on a mailing list. I REALLY > > don't like having my attachments folder fill up with Untitled, > > Untitled 1, Untitled 2, etc. > > > > Please, remove the signature. > > Um, no. I use it to identify myself in my email. I personally believe > that we all should be using encryption in email, so we can have some > form of authentication. You can get PGPi or GPG (which I will be > switching to in the next couple of weeks) for free -- PGPi for personal > use, GPG is GPL'd. > But isn't there a time and place for authentication? Seems a little OTT for a 'public' mailing list. > As Rik put it, get a less braindead mail client. I have actually never > seen a setup where the attachments all get dumped in their own folder. > What are you using? > > -- > Jeff > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- > Version: 3.12 > GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M >V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? > --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- > > My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt > > >Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature -- Steve - Cheltenham, UK - In love and light we are In darkness we are no less ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] RE: question
e-mail is fine. Have you spoken to Patrice??? P. > -Original Message- > From: deb [mailto:deb]On Behalf Of Deb Richardson > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 12:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: question > > > Can I just email in that little resignation note, or do you need me to > fax it? > > - deb > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours
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