Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations

2000-02-20 Thread Telsa Gwynne

I asked about the attractions of graphical mailers:
> >I am very curious to know what X-based mailers have that console
> >mailers don't. Note that I can view URLs and display pictures in mutt
> >when I run it in X, so that doesn't count!

Thanks for the responses :) 

Britta:  
> I think it's not so much having pics etc, but rather having buttons 
> to click and menus to choose from. Even though I love Linux and the 
> power of the command line (the Power of the Command Line ? ;), I like 
> having _nice-looking_ GUIs for things like email. 

Karolina:
> Isn't "looking nice" a good enough reason? I feel that nice looks is as
> good a reason as any. But I prefer a program that does what I want
> to do good, and dispenses with all the bells and whistles.

Dan:
>* Unthinking interface for lazy (in the un-Perlish sense) users like 
> me who ingest graphical data more quickly than textual -- especially 
> between 01:00 and 03:00, which is typical slurp time for my 
> @moodindigo.com mail.
> * At-a-glance display of *all* folders and quantitative feedback
> concerning their size and state. Britta made some good observations about
> this in her message, especially about tree displays. I like 'em.

Cleverly, I snipped the relevant part of Britta's mail about that,
but yeah, I can see that. I can get the size of my folders easily
enough, but that requires deliberately asking for it, and it's not
constantly there. I expect not having that there when you're used
to it would be a pain.

So it seems to be "more information at a glance" and "easier UI",
then?  I'm not the world's most accurate mouse-user, so I find it 
easier to type than to get the right button or menu, but I know the 
computer using world is divided into people who find one of mouse/text 
easier.

I certainly don't object to "looks nice" as a good enough reason.
But for so long I have had a computer which didn't do X, and then
a slow (by everyone else's standards) machine with a tiny tiny monitor 
which showed very little so that I had to spend ages mousing about 
playing with a virtual screen size that was bigger than the displayed 
bit, that I came to hate apps which ate all my screen! I have scaled 
the dizzy heights of a consistent 1024x768 now, so maybe things will 
fit a bit better :)

I certainly wasn't intending to come across as a "who needs graphics?"
text-only bigot. It was a genuine "what am I missing?" question.
I think I shall have to try to build Balsa or Spruce and see what
happens. I've just seen too many "Netscape just ate the email I 
was about to send!" messages to brave that particular one :)

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Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions

2000-02-20 Thread aprilk

Tania M. Morell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've used Berkeley unix and SunOS for years at my university but not
>linux. I use Mandrake at work and RedHat intermittently at home but I've
>yet to understand the differences between them..  Maybe I haven't used
>them long enough to figure it out, or maybe I'm stupid.
>
>What are the main differences between distributions of linux like
>RedHat, Mandrake, Debian, Caldera...  etc.  Can anyone tell me?
>
Hi, differences can include the way it is laid out, where some things are put, their 
installs, their configuration tools, libraries they are based on, their style of init, 
and so on. I think that sums up most of it.
I had some experience with caldera 1.3?, RH 5.1 and SuSE 6.x, so I know some 
differences.

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Re: [techtalk] ICQ client

2000-02-20 Thread Caitlyn M. Martin

Hi, Siobhan,

I'm a little late jumping in this discussion, but I really like KICQ, the
KDE ICQ client.  It is on the Red Hat Power Tools CD, or is downloadable in
RPM form from their FTP site.

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[techtalk] Re: IRC Client

2000-02-20 Thread Caitlyn M. Martin

Patricia wrote:

> I use ksirc, comes with KDE
> works great

I agree, and there is yet another KDE IRC client called KVIRC.

Choice is a good thing  :)

-Caity



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Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations

2000-02-20 Thread Caitlyn M. Martin

>  I'm looking for:
>
> * Something that isn't netscape mail.
> * Supports multiple user accounts on multiple servers.
> * Supports kill-files, or has a scripting interface that allows
> spam-blocking.
> * Allows channeling of incoming traffic into multiple folders.
> * And, for bonus points, is threaded.
>
> Can anyone recommend a package that fits that bill?
>
> FWIW, I'm running RH 6.1 w/ GNOME/Enlightenment.

Hi, Dan

KMail meets the above requirements.  You'll need to install QT and some of
KDE to make it run, but you can use it under Gnome.

The only reason I don't use it for my main mail account (this one) is that
it doesn't support HTML messages, and people keep thinking that everyone
lives in a Microsoft or Netscape world and keeps sending me hateful,
bandwidth chomping messages with their ideas of pretty formatting.  Yuck!

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[techtalk] strange mail behavior

2000-02-20 Thread Samantha Atkins

I am experiencing something peculiar with sendmail.  First my set up is
that I have two other domains all sharing the same IP address.  I would
like mail to x@domain1 and x@domain2 to simply go to x@localhost.  I
found the sendmail.cw file as a logical place to express that my machine
has several domains on it.  So I added them in there, went out to a
remote shell account, telnet'ed into smtp and tried it out.  Sure
enough, the addresses at domain1 and domain2 appear to work fine.  

Everything seemed happy for some time.  Then about a week ago my machine
crashed one night due to a local power glitch.  When rebooted I started
getting 550 errors of relaying denied.  Very strange.  I tried reworking
my files.  At some point I got it into my head that I could use
something like /etc/mail/virtusertable to do what I was trying to do. 
So I tried that.  Seemed to more or less work.

But I noticed something strange.  Some of my mail from x@domain1 and so
on didn't seem to ever arrive at the mailing list it was sent to.  Nor
did I get a message it was rejected.  I also noticed that some of the
mail from various lists was simply never arriving.  It was as if
sendmail had put some incoming and outgoing stuff into some kind of
circular file.

Also, I noticed that some of the dates for sendmail files were the
original ones from Redhat 6 even on files I am pretty darn sure I
changed.  I began to wonder if someone wasn't attacking my machine and
playing with sendmail for some reason, perhaps to open it fully to
relaying, and attempting to cover their tracks. 

So today I tossed out the virtusertable changes and reinstalled all the
sendmail stuff keeping my sendmail.cw.  Again, testing from outside
seems to work just fine.

Anyone have any idea what the heck might be going on or something else I
might try?

Also, I am using Netscape 4.7 Communicator for email.  Does anyone know
if it has a habit of sometimes losing mail?  I tried using kmail but it
is pretty primitive (at least before KDE2.0) and has some strange
behavior of its own.

- samantha


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Re: [techtalk] strange mail behavior

2000-02-20 Thread JDF

I have had the same problem with redhat 6.1..
I fixed it by adding the host(s) in /etc/mail/relay-domains, not sure if
it exists by default.. but hopefully that will fix your problems.


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On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Samantha Atkins wrote:

> I am experiencing something peculiar with sendmail.  First my set up is
> that I have two other domains all sharing the same IP address.  I would
> like mail to x@domain1 and x@domain2 to simply go to x@localhost.  I
> found the sendmail.cw file as a logical place to express that my machine
> has several domains on it.  So I added them in there, went out to a
> remote shell account, telnet'ed into smtp and tried it out.  Sure
> enough, the addresses at domain1 and domain2 appear to work fine.  
> 
> Everything seemed happy for some time.  Then about a week ago my machine
> crashed one night due to a local power glitch.  When rebooted I started
> getting 550 errors of relaying denied.  Very strange.  I tried reworking
> my files.  At some point I got it into my head that I could use
> something like /etc/mail/virtusertable to do what I was trying to do. 
> So I tried that.  Seemed to more or less work.
> 
> But I noticed something strange.  Some of my mail from x@domain1 and so
> on didn't seem to ever arrive at the mailing list it was sent to.  Nor
> did I get a message it was rejected.  I also noticed that some of the
> mail from various lists was simply never arriving.  It was as if
> sendmail had put some incoming and outgoing stuff into some kind of
> circular file.
> 
> Also, I noticed that some of the dates for sendmail files were the
> original ones from Redhat 6 even on files I am pretty darn sure I
> changed.  I began to wonder if someone wasn't attacking my machine and
> playing with sendmail for some reason, perhaps to open it fully to
> relaying, and attempting to cover their tracks. 
> 
> So today I tossed out the virtusertable changes and reinstalled all the
> sendmail stuff keeping my sendmail.cw.  Again, testing from outside
> seems to work just fine.
> 
> Anyone have any idea what the heck might be going on or something else I
> might try?
> 
> Also, I am using Netscape 4.7 Communicator for email.  Does anyone know
> if it has a habit of sometimes losing mail?  I tried using kmail but it
> is pretty primitive (at least before KDE2.0) and has some strange
> behavior of its own.
> 
> - samantha
> 
> 
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Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations

2000-02-20 Thread Dan McGarry

- Original Message -
From: Telsa Gwynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations


[snipped: differences between GUI and character-based mail displays]

> So it seems to be "more information at a glance" and "easier UI",
> then?  I'm not the world's most accurate mouse-user, so I find it
> easier to type than to get the right button or menu, but I know the
> computer using world is divided into people who find one of mouse/text
> easier.

I too prefer to use a keyboard, all the time if possible. One of my main
problems X and Windows is the poor (at best inconsistent) implementation of
a keyboard interface. I can't tell you the number of times I've groaned in
frustration when pressing ALT-W in the Default RH Netscape package, and
watching it do precisely nothing. This in spite of the fact that the menu
clearly indicates that this should work!

The list goes on. For speed and efficiency, I find that character-based
interfaces are typically much better than their GUI counterparts. I don't
consider this a necessary condition, however. I can't think of any
compelling reason[*] why a GUI should not be just as navigable by keyboard
as a character-based app. But for some reason, this is seldom the case. One
of my pet peeves with XEMACS (of all things) is that by default it requires
cutting and pasting to be done by mouse. The whole reason I use XEMACS is to
have the powerful keyboard interface *and* a decent GUI.

[* Okay, in fairness, I can think of one: time. GUIs aren't built overnight,
and developing standard aproaches to tasks can be a troublesome thing,
especially in the world of proprietary software, where there's a strong
*dis*incentive to look and act just like every other app. Yet another reason
to like open source: there's some hope that a degree of consistency in
appearance and behaviour can at last be achieved.]

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Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations

2000-02-20 Thread Dan McGarry

- Original Message -
From: Caitlyn M. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations


> KMail meets the above requirements.  You'll need to install QT and some of
> KDE to make it run, but you can use it under Gnome.

Thanks, Caitlyn, I'll take a look.

> The only reason I don't use it for my main mail account (this one) is that
> it doesn't support HTML messages, and people keep thinking that everyone
> lives in a Microsoft or Netscape world and keeps sending me hateful,
> bandwidth chomping messages with their ideas of pretty formatting.  Yuck!

Wow, I'd consider lack of HTML support a feature! I think if I can work up
procmail to strip all the pretty formatting from the messages (or if they're
particularly rococo in their formatting, /dev/null them), then be guaranteed
that these monstrosities will only be displayed as text/plain, I'll be happy
as a pig in, uh... mud.

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Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations

2000-02-20 Thread Laurel Fan

Excerpts from linuxchix: 20-Feb-100 Re: [techtalk] X Mail clien.. by
"Dan McGarry"@moodindigo 
> One of my pet peeves with XEMACS (of all things) is that by default 
> it requires cutting and pasting to be done by mouse. The whole reason
> I use XEMACS is to have the powerful keyboard interface *and* a
> decent GUI.

requires? You mean it disabled kill, mark, and yank?



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Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations

2000-02-20 Thread Shad Young

Just my 2c.

But Kmail has some nasty bugs. Reports are that the version that will
come with kde 2.0 will fix the problems, but for now it is problematic.
It has a tendency to core dump a lot and hang X every now and again.
There are also serious problems with reply addressing, and wordwrap is a
work around.

Shad

Dan McGarry wrote:
> From: Caitlyn M. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > KMail meets the above requirements.  You'll need to install QT and some of
> > KDE to make it run, but you can use it under Gnome.
> 
> Thanks, Caitlyn, I'll take a look.
> 
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Re: [techtalk] strange mail behavior

2000-02-20 Thread Shad Young

Samantha Atkins wrote:

> Also, I am using Netscape 4.7 Communicator for email.  Does anyone know
> if it has a habit of sometimes losing mail?  I tried using kmail but it
> is pretty primitive (at least before KDE2.0) and has some strange
> behavior of its own.

I have used evey version of Netscape since 3.0 in Linux. I have never
had a mail error due to it. I use the 4.7 final package from
Mandrakesoft for all my RH based WS's. Some versions are a little buggy,
and the version for Red Hat 6.1 is flakey to say the least. If it bugged
out during a message trasnfer, I guess it could loose a piece of mail,
but usually the files are never removed from a server until the remote
has sent a confirmation of reciept. 

Shad

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Re: [techtalk] strange mail behavior

2000-02-20 Thread Phil V Savoie

At 20:55 20/02/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Samantha Atkins wrote:
>
>> Also, I am using Netscape 4.7 Communicator for email.  Does anyone know
>> if it has a habit of sometimes losing mail?  I tried using kmail but it
>
>I have used evey version of Netscape since 3.0 in Linux. I have never
>had a mail error due to it. I use the 4.7 final package from
>Mandrakesoft for all my RH based WS's. Some versions are a little buggy,
>and the version for Red Hat 6.1 is flakey to say the least. If it bugged
>out during a message trasnfer, I guess it could loose a piece of mail,
>but usually the files are never removed from a server until the remote
>has sent a confirmation of reciept. 
>
>Shad


I have had cause to think that same as Samantha.  On closer observation, I
found that if I used say pine to read messages on a server but left them
there ( just read do not dl messages) then at home retreived messages from
the server (dl them)  The ones that pine opened for reading would not dl.
I have since changed the way I do business.  I now use netscape all the
time.  When at work I want to read the mail but not dl them.  At home I dl
from the server so I have a complete log of messages.  Now **all** messages
get dl'd when requested and I am not missing any.

Phil


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Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations

2000-02-20 Thread Caitlyn M. Martin

Shad Young wrote:

> Just my 2c.
>
> But Kmail has some nasty bugs. Reports are that the version that will
> come with kde 2.0 will fix the problems, but for now it is problematic.
> It has a tendency to core dump a lot and hang X every now and again.
> There are also serious problems with reply addressing, and wordwrap is a
> work around.

This is completely contrary to my experience, and I use KMail regularly.  It has
shut itself down on me, perhaps twice, since I started using it, and not at all
since I upgraded to KDE 1.1.2.  No hangs, no core dumps, reply works, as does
wordwrap.   Could you be using an older version?

FWIW, I use it daily for my VNet account, and I do like it.

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[techtalk] Installing Tarballs

2000-02-20 Thread GJS

I was trying to install a tarball and got this message:

Checking host system type...Configure: error: can not guess host
type; you must specify one.

What does this mean and how do I fix it?



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[techtalk] Epson Stylus Color 300

2000-02-20 Thread Caitlyn M. Martin

Hi, everyone,

Has anyone managed to get a 300 to work under Linux/GhostScript?  My
understanding is that it isn't supported.  My roommate is finally talking
about migrating from Windows to Linux, but unfortunately he has one of these
printers.

Oh, and I know most every other Epson Stylus works well, including my Epson
Stylus Color 600.  Unfortunately, what works for it doesn't work for the
300.

Any suggestions?  Sources for working drivers?

TIA,
Caity





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Re: [techtalk] Installing Tarballs

2000-02-20 Thread Dan Nguyen

On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 07:14:22PM -0800, GJS wrote:
> I was trying to install a tarball and got this message:
> 
> Checking host system type...Configure: error: can not guess host
> type; you must specify one.
> 
> What does this mean and how do I fix it?
>


/me dons magic psychic hat of power
/me enters a deep transe

It seems like you've done something wrong, perhaps you didn't read
the documentation.  


Anyways, you haven't provided enough information.  Simply saying it
doesn't work won't help allow anyone to be able to help you.  For
example, you need to tell use what your trying to install.  What
command you've done.  And please make sure you read the installation
documentation if it exists.  If you are still having problems please
provide the relavent information, and everyone will try and help.


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Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations

2000-02-20 Thread Robert Kiesling


"Dan McGarry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I wrote an article recently comparing the readily-available E-mail
> > clients for Linux. If you want an integrated environment, look at
> > KDE's Kmail or Star Office.  If you don't mind the user interface,
> > then Emacs's VM or Gnus lisp packages are both very good, although
> > Gnus is a pain to set up.
> 
> Thanks, Robert. I use EMACS all the time as my editor, but lisp is not one
> of my favourite HLLs (!!*), so I've avoided any more than the simplest
> customizations. Could you point me to some decent documentation on VM,
> please?
> 
> [* I know: I'm just one big contradiction wrapped in human skin]

It's not one of my favorite languages either.  I'm afraid I don't know
of any documentation besides what's in the distribution.  I guess the
usual advice from the Emacs gurus would be "use the source."



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Re: [techtalk] Installing Tarballs

2000-02-20 Thread JDF

simply add --host= to ./configure.



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On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Dan Nguyen wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 07:14:22PM -0800, GJS wrote:
> > I was trying to install a tarball and got this message:
> > 
> > Checking host system type...Configure: error: can not guess host
> > type; you must specify one.
> > 
> > What does this mean and how do I fix it?
> >
> 
> 
> /me dons magic psychic hat of power
> /me enters a deep transe
> 
> It seems like you've done something wrong, perhaps you didn't read
> the documentation.  
> 
> 
> Anyways, you haven't provided enough information.  Simply saying it
> doesn't work won't help allow anyone to be able to help you.  For
> example, you need to tell use what your trying to install.  What
> command you've done.  And please make sure you read the installation
> documentation if it exists.  If you are still having problems please
> provide the relavent information, and everyone will try and help.
> 
> 
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Re: [techtalk] Installing Tarballs

2000-02-20 Thread Laurel Fan

Excerpts from linuxchix: 20-Feb-100 [techtalk] Installing
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> Checking host system type...Configure: error: can not guess host
> type; you must specify one.
>  
> What does this mean and how do I fix it?

I assume this is from running ./configure.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

This could be a problem with the package's configure script.. could you
post the url so we can take a look?

It might also be a problem with your setup.  Do other packages work?



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Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions

2000-02-20 Thread Robert Kiesling


"Tania M. Morell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What are the main differences between distributions of linux like
> RedHat, Mandrake, Debian, Caldera...  etc.  Can anyone tell me?

I'll try to explain this as coherently as possible. Caldera and
Mandrake are very similar to Red Hat, which was the original.
Caldera's installation and configuration is much more complete than
Red Hat's... installation wizards, and so forth.  Debian is actual
Debian Gnu/Linux, and it is the only distribution where completely
free software forms the OS...  "non-free" software, as they say, is in
a separate part of the distribution.  Slackware was the first
distribution that actually worked, and I still like it's packaging
scheme (plain old compressed tarballs) much better than the others.

I don't see why someone couldn't come up with a standard 
pkgadd and pkgrm, that all of the distributions could use.  Ah,
the wonders of free enterprise...


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Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions

2000-02-20 Thread moebius

Hey All,
Slackware was around before redhat, it's just got a lot less publicity
nowadays.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Robert Kiesling wrote:
> I'll try to explain this as coherently as possible. Caldera and
> Mandrake are very similar to Red Hat, which was the original.



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[techtalk] Lisp (was: X Mail client recommendations)

2000-02-20 Thread Jenn V.



Robert Kiesling wrote:

> It's not one of my favorite languages either.  I'm afraid I don't know
> of any documentation besides what's in the distribution.  I guess the
> usual advice from the Emacs gurus would be "use the source."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'you don't know of any Lisp documentation
besides what's in the Emacs distribution'? Are those the missing
adjectives?

If so:
* take thyself unto a shoppe with dealeth with the sale of scrolls
and parchments. Speak unto the keeper thereof, and asketh for 
parchments which deal with Lisp.
* take thyself unto the 'net, yeah even unto the place known as 
'google', or perhaps unto 'savvysearch'. 

A quick google search revealed several tutorials. A quick search
of Amazon.com (I know, I know) revealed lots of books.

I can't recommend any personally - the uni I went to taught us 
Prolog as our declarative language.


Jenn V.
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Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions

2000-02-20 Thread Dan Nguyen

On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 10:47:24PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hey All,
> Slackware was around before redhat, it's just got a lot less publicity
> nowadays.
>

I've been very disappointed in Slackware, lately.  Originally for not
support glibc2, and then for their silly version jump from 4.0 to 7.0.



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Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions

2000-02-20 Thread Robert Kiesling


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> Hey All,
> Slackware was around before redhat, it's just got a lot less publicity
> nowadays.

Oops.  I knew that.  I guess I meant that Red Hat was the first
distribution to use RPM packages, and to make it onto the shelves of
regular stores, like Compu[Add|World|Plus], or Meijer's.  But I was
typing in a hurry.  Slackware first appeared in 1994, or thereabouts.



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Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions

2000-02-20 Thread Jamie Walker

Dan Nguyen wrote:

> I've been very disappointed in Slackware, lately.  Originally for not
> support glibc2, and then for their silly version jump from 4.0 to 7.0.

The lack of glibc2 support was apparently for stability reasons. I've
been using glibc2 for the last year and had no problems with it - so
maybe Patrick was being a little too careful.

As for the version jump - by all accounts after too many questions about
"When are you going to upgrade to Linux 6.0 like Redhat have?" he
decided to join the party with inflated version numbers, just like many
of the others have. (ie, RH's first version was v3 if I remember
correctly).

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Re: [techtalk] Lisp (was: X Mail client recommendations)

2000-02-20 Thread Robert Kiesling


"Jenn V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'you don't know of any Lisp documentation
> besides what's in the Emacs distribution'? Are those the missing
> adjectives?

We were talking about the VM mail client specifically.  That's the
distribution I was referring to.  I know there's lots of other
documentation on Emacs Lisp and other dialects of Lisp.  There are two
separate Emacs Lisp manuals on the Gnu Emacs FTP archives, for a
start.  If you look at Common Lisp, then there's probably a lot more,
as with other dialects.  I just don't happen to know them very well.


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Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions

2000-02-20 Thread moebius

Hey Dan,
  I hear you there. But Slack will always have a soft spot for me. It was
the headaches and long nights of trying to install Slack 1.? that woke me
up from using brain-dead OS's.
Harry 

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Dan Nguyen wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 10:47:24PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hey All,
> > Slackware was around before redhat, it's just got a lot less publicity
> > nowadays.
> >
> 
> I've been very disappointed in Slackware, lately.  Originally for not
> support glibc2, and then for their silly version jump from 4.0 to 7.0.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions

2000-02-20 Thread moebius

Hey Jaimie,
Still have that version here at home. (hehe)
Harry
> of the others have. (ie, RH's first version was v3 if I remember
> correctly).



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Re: [techtalk] Lisp (was: X Mail client recommendations)

2000-02-20 Thread Kelly Lynn Martin

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:58:14 +1100, "Jenn V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'you don't know of any Lisp
>documentation besides what's in the Emacs distribution'? Are those
>the missing adjectives?

There are _lots_ of good books on LISP out there.  The Little LISPer
is a good guidebook, IMO.  (I have both the Little LISPer and the
Little Schemer -- they're good books.)  For Emacs LISP, the FSF used
to publish a Emacs LISP Programmer's Manual.  Poke around their
website, or just drop RMS a line and ask about it.  I'm sure that they 
still have it, although it's possibly out of date at this point.

Kelly


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Re: [techtalk] X Mail client recommendations

2000-02-20 Thread Shad Young

"Caitlyn M. Martin" wrote:

SNIP

> FWIW, I use it daily for my VNet account, and I do like it.

So do I. It has potential. Everybodys milage varies of course. Its
nicest feature IMO is its multiple account handling capability. 

Shad

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