Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
A campsite number seems a direct analog to a house number.  "Site 52,
Evergreen Campground" is a form of address that in olden days a mailman
might actually have delivered to.  I don't see this as a rendering hack...
it seems pretty clean to me.

But do place the node where the little number post is: that post is what
you're actually mapping.
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Paul Johnson
As someone who lives in a campground, that's a hack.  My address is similar
to how most American apartment complexes or office buildings handle
addresses (house number, street, unit number).


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:

> A campsite number seems a direct analog to a house number.  "Site 52,
> Evergreen Campground" is a form of address that in olden days a mailman
> might actually have delivered to.  I don't see this as a rendering hack...
> it seems pretty clean to me.
>
> But do place the node where the little number post is: that post is what
> you're actually mapping.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Tod Fitch
In the case I am looking at now there is no street number for the campground. 
At least there is no sign indicating one nor have I seen a street number on an 
any map. So I guess that addr:housenumber might work. But I imagine that there 
are campgrounds that actually have an street number assigned to the whole 
complex, so overloading addr:housenumber would not work.

For what it is worth, the practice in the area I an interested in for 
dispatching emergency services is to use the campground name and then the 
written reports, if for Forest Service, use the old township and range 
location. Other agencies might be using UTM grid nowadays.

addr:unit seems like a reasonable choice for tagging the individual campsite. 
In the case where the whole campground has an street address, it seems like 
adding a unit number to the campground address is sufficient. But the Forest 
Service campgrounds in many of the areas I visit have no obvious street address 
and the service roads within the campground are usually unnamed too. So what, 
if anything, should be used for the addr:street tag?

Any objections to using a addr:housename tag set to the campground name? Seems 
like that fits Bryce's old mailman analogy as an address that might have been 
deliverable.

Paul: I assume that you've mapped your campground. Can you give me a location 
to look at so I can view your tagging? Thanks!

-Tod



On Jun 17, 2013, at 12:30 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:

> As someone who lives in a campground, that's a hack.  My address is similar 
> to how most American apartment complexes or office buildings handle addresses 
> (house number, street, unit number).
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:
> A campsite number seems a direct analog to a house number.  "Site 52, 
> Evergreen Campground" is a form of address that in olden days a mailman might 
> actually have delivered to.  I don't see this as a rendering hack... it seems 
> pretty clean to me.
> 
> But do place the node where the little number post is: that post is what 
> you're actually mapping.
> 

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Paul Johnson
I haven't mapped it yet at a space level detail.  I can't really say I like
the idea of using house number as the space number for some campgrounds but
not others, that's just a bad hack.   I remember some space number proposal
in the wiki, but it wasn't clear how it was supposed to work.
On Jun 17, 2013 8:21 AM, "Tod Fitch"  wrote:

> In the case I am looking at now there is no street number for the
> campground. At least there is no sign indicating one nor have I seen a
> street number on an any map. So I guess that addr:housenumber might work.
> But I imagine that there are campgrounds that actually have an street
> number assigned to the whole complex, so overloading addr:housenumber would
> not work.
>
> For what it is worth, the practice in the area I an interested in for
> dispatching emergency services is to use the campground name and then the
> written reports, if for Forest Service, use the old township and range
> location. Other agencies might be using UTM grid nowadays.
>
> addr:unit seems like a reasonable choice for tagging the individual
> campsite. In the case where the whole campground has an street address, it
> seems like adding a unit number to the campground address is sufficient.
> But the Forest Service campgrounds in many of the areas I visit have no
> obvious street address and the service roads within the campground are
> usually unnamed too. So what, if anything, should be used for the
> addr:street tag?
>
> Any objections to using a addr:housename tag set to the campground name?
> Seems like that fits Bryce's old mailman analogy as an address that might
> have been deliverable.
>
> Paul: I assume that you've mapped your campground. Can you give me a
> location to look at so I can view your tagging? Thanks!
>
> -Tod
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2013, at 12:30 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> As someone who lives in a campground, that's a hack.  My address is
> similar to how most American apartment complexes or office buildings handle
> addresses (house number, street, unit number).
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
>
>> A campsite number seems a direct analog to a house number.  "Site 52,
>> Evergreen Campground" is a form of address that in olden days a mailman
>> might actually have delivered to.  I don't see this as a rendering hack...
>> it seems pretty clean to me.
>>
>> But do place the node where the little number post is: that post is what
>> you're actually mapping.
>>
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Andrew Errington
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:19:48 Tod Fitch wrote:
> In the case I am looking at now there is no street number for the
> campground. At least there is no sign indicating one nor have I seen a
> street number on an any map. So I guess that addr:housenumber might work.
> But I imagine that there are campgrounds that actually have an street
> number assigned to the whole complex, so overloading addr:housenumber would
> not work.
>
> For what it is worth, the practice in the area I an interested in for
> dispatching emergency services is to use the campground name and then the
> written reports, if for Forest Service, use the old township and range
> location. Other agencies might be using UTM grid nowadays.
>
> addr:unit seems like a reasonable choice for tagging the individual
> campsite. In the case where the whole campground has an street address, it
> seems like adding a unit number to the campground address is sufficient.
> But the Forest Service campgrounds in many of the areas I visit have no
> obvious street address and the service roads within the campground are
> usually unnamed too. So what, if anything, should be used for the
> addr:street tag?
>
> Any objections to using a addr:housename tag set to the campground name?
> Seems like that fits Bryce's old mailman analogy as an address that might
> have been deliverable.

Yes.  Instead, I suggest that you use tourism=camp_site and put the name in 
name=*
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site

I would also suggest that addr:*=* is inappropriate for pitches on the site.  
addr:*=* would be for the campsite itself, probably the site office, but if 
there is no address (for the campsite) then you can't make one- just use 
name=* as above.

How about making a set of tags for a pitch?  ("pitch" is the area upon which 
the caravan or tent is situated).  You can create a node or an area (probably 
a rectangle) and use ref=* for the pitch number.  I don't know quite how to 
do the namespace, but something like:
camp_site=pitch (this is a pitch for a tent or caravan or motorhome)
camp_site:parking=yes/no (you can park next to your tent)
camp_site:electric=yes/no (there is an electrical hookup for this pitch)
camp_site:water=yes/no (there is a water tap for this pitch)
camp_site:drain=yes/no (there is a grey water drain for this pitch)
camp_site:type=tent;caravan;motorhome/static (the things we can put on this 
pitch)
camp_site:surface=grass/gravel/concrete

Best wishes,

Andrew

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding

2013-06-17 Thread fly
Am 17.06.2013 01:19, schrieb Steve Doerr:
> On 16/06/2013 15:09, fly wrote:
>> you still talk about species and later are mentioning "dog/cat/horse"
> which are genera.
> 
> 'dog - A domesticated carnivorous mammal, Canis familiaris (or C. lupus
> familiaris)...'
> 'cat - A well-known carnivorous quadruped ( Felis domesticus) ...'
> 'horse -  A solid-hoofed perissodactyl quadruped ( Equus caballus)...'
> 
> (all definitions from Oxford English Dictionary).
> 
> They all look like species to me.

Sorry, I was wrong with the specific example dog. Though I have to say,
that cat is unclear weather your are talking about the species "house
cat" or the genus cat, the same with horses as the Mongolian horse and
the "domestic wild horse" are different species. The dictionary should
not mention a single species but show the differences.

Still the main point remains as there are already established tags why
not using them and if there is a problem with latin names you can still
use language code as subkey (e.g. species:ru=*)

Please, do not get me wrong. We had a similar discussion with plants
(e.g. trees) two years ago and I just wanted to get it right from the
beginning, this time.

fly

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Re: [Tagging] Through_route next steps

2013-06-17 Thread fly
On 16.06.2013 22:50, Rob Nickerson wrote:
>>@Rob:
>>Did you ever try to describe the junction with the Lane and Road
>>Attributes?
> 
> No, I didn't. And as I've been busy with organising SOTM I didn't even
> fully read the tag proposal (hence I didn't vote). I hope you agree that
> my general comment about reading through and attempting to address the
> critical points on the through_route proposal is the right way forward.
> Yes, this may mean dropping the tag proposal altogether and working with
> a different tag instead.
> 
> In my opinion, what the through_route tag was aiming to do is still a
> good idea. I see it as more important for small unclassified country
> roads, rather than multi-lane highways. Here in the UK many small
> historic rural roads can have tight bends and often, if there is a
> connecting road, a satnav will give an instruction to turn right/left
> when one is not in fact needed (or not give an instruction when one is
> needed).

Now, I get your problem. We are talking about unclassified roads (no
ref) right ?

Stiil the Lane and Road Attributes should work as you can tag the
"through_route" and the turning_lanes which might be also the single
lane leading straight and allowing a turn. As you tag the direction on
the turns (left/right) the router could get infos about the turns.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - reference_point

2013-06-17 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Johan Jönsson 
> Could it be possible to use addr: as is the case with all other adress-
> references?
> addr:reference_point=Little_tree

+1

Also, there is no reason to restrict its usage on nodes. Ways (e.g. a
building) or relations (e.g. a "site") may also apply here.

Pieren

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - reference_point

2013-06-17 Thread Felix Delattre
Thanks for the feedback!!

On 06/17/2013 09:53 AM, Pieren wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Johan Jönsson 
>> Could it be possible to use addr: as is the case with all other adress-
>> references?
>> addr:reference_point=Little_tree
> +1

Actually we started this proposal as "addr:reference_point=*":
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/addr:reference_point

But we realized in the first conversation on the list, that "addr:*"
belong always to the addresses and isn't anything that would define the
reference points. Johan described this in the following mail from last year:

On 03/26/2012 02:25 PM, Johan Jönsson wrote:
> [...] I have been looking at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses and it seems that the
> key addr: is used on each and every single address. an example, the
> addr:street isn´t used on the street but on the surrounding buildings
> that uses that street in their adress. with a similar approach,
> addr:reference_point would be used on all houses having "the railway
> station" as a reference.
>
> My conclusion is that you should not use addr: for this tag. I suggest
> to use only reference_point=yes or reference_point=address. [...]

Check the archives for the whole conversation:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2012-March/009633.html

Further, we have to take in account that one place could have several
reference points. For example I have three reference points in my area I
could use to tell my address. This is all a little bit more "flexible"
here and people can freely choose which reference points to use. So
besides that, specifying "addr:reference_point=*" on every building
seems to be "micromapping" and a not trivial task.

The approach of this proposal is thought to be much more simple: We just
want to mark reference points as what they are, so they could be used in
routing systems, etc..

> Also, there is no reason to restrict its usage on nodes. Ways (e.g. a
> building) or relations (e.g. a "site") may also apply here.

Good point. I changed this.


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Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Instead of duplicating the campground name:

addr:street=CampgroundName
addr:city=CampgroundName
addr:housenumber=SiteNumber


How about use of "addr:street" for the most specific subdivision available,
usually the campground name:

addr:housenumber=*53*
addr:street=*Upper Pines Campground*
addr:place=*Yosemite National Park*
addr:district=*Mariposa County*
addr:postcode=*95839*

In the case of a house one "finds the street", then the "address".
For a campground the road names are less important.  You often "find the
campground", then "find the number".

See also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
And http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Tod Fitch  wrote:

> In the case I am looking at now there is no street number for the
> campground. At least there is no sign indicating one nor have I seen a
> street number on an any map. So I guess that addr:housenumber might work.
> But I imagine that there are campgrounds that actually have an street
> number assigned to the whole complex, so overloading addr:housenumber would
> not work.
>

Common cases for campgrounds include:
1) The roads have names, but they exist only in a database somewhere, the
actual roads are not signed or known by those names.
2) The roads developed over time and were never planned or named, and may
in fact shift based on season.
3) All the roads are collectively known by some name (e.g. "South fork
campground loop").
4) The sites are walk-in, far from a road.

---
I think the EMS/911 use case is just as good as the mailman analogy.
If you wrote what you mapped on a slip of paper describing an emergency,
could the EMS crew get there without confusion?

I think rendering is the least important consideration: if there is
sufficient mapping of any particular style, the rendering will follow
starting with the maps most oriented towards camping (open cycle map, for
example, might be an early adopter).

--
But that said addr:housenumber has a certain elegance.  You can imagine
entering that into a generic OSM routing engine and getting a sensible
result (directions to that particular campsite).

You're not really overloading addr:housenumber in the case the campground
has postal address.  The camp itself exists on a road.  The camp sites then
relate to the camp:

name=Camp Hypothetical
addr:housenumber=153
addr:street=Hypothetical Street
website=*

addr:housenumber=153
addr:street=Camp Hypothetical
group_only=yes

Thus all campgrounds can use *addr:housenumber* for the space number.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding

2013-06-17 Thread Alberto
Ok, I've a solution. I will change the word  with .
animal_breeding=;;...
Where in place of animal you must write the English common name of animal
bred. This is simple and maintains consistency with animal_shelter and
animal_boarding.
If you want to specify the scientific name, you can add other tags like
taxon=* or species=* or genus=*.
Is this a good deal?
Alberto


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Re: [Tagging] Photo links in OSM

2013-06-17 Thread Richard Finegold
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:

> While there is considerable interest in historical data attached to OSM
> objects, the image tag is not the place to innovate.
>
> Photographs are inherently historical: weather and lighting can (and,
obviously, will) change; vantage points may be inaccessible or cumbersome
to reproduce; bystanders come and go.
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[Tagging] Tagging barrier open to disabled, plus some visitors?

2013-06-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
How do I best map a barrier that is:

* Open to any vehicle with a disability placard
* Open persons walking or cycling
* Open to visitors with reservations.
* Open to park personnel
* Closed to every other type of vehicle.

(This is at Point Cabrillo Light Station, California.  During my visit, I
was misled by OSM as to the walk distance, as OSM showed an apparently open
parking lot
that in fact was only open to the disabled).
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:

> How about use of "addr:street" for the most specific subdivision
> available, usually the campground name:
>
> addr:housenumber=*53*
> addr:street=*Upper Pines Campground*
> addr:place=*Yosemite National Park*
> addr:district=*Mariposa County*
> addr:postcode=*95839*
>
> In the case of a house one "finds the street", then the "address".
> For a campground the road names are less important.  You often "find the
> campground", then "find the number".
>

This would be tagging for the renderer in many cases.  And still breaks
situations where the campground has a house number (ie, pretty much
everywhere in the US).
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding

2013-06-17 Thread John F. Eldredge
That sounds better to me.


Alberto  wrote:
> Ok, I've a solution. I will change the word  with .
> animal_breeding=;;...
> Where in place of animal you must write the English common name of
> animal
> bred. This is simple and maintains consistency with animal_shelter and
> animal_boarding.
> If you want to specify the scientific name, you can add other tags
> like
> taxon=* or species=* or genus=*.
> Is this a good deal?
> Alberto
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding

2013-06-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer




On 17/giu/2013, at 20:26, "Alberto"  wrote:

> Ok, I've a solution. I will change the word  with .
> animal_breeding=;;...
> Where in place of animal you must write the English common name of animal
> bred. This is simple and maintains consistency with animal_shelter and
> animal_boarding.
> If you want to specify the scientific name, you can add other tags like
> taxon=* or species=* or genus=*.
> Is this a good deal?

+1

cheers,
Martin

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[Tagging] RFC: wheelchair:toilets=yes/no

2013-06-17 Thread Holger Dieterich
Hi,

here's the request for comments on my first proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wheelchair:toilet
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/wheelchair:toilets

Please give me feedback.

Thanks!

Holger

---
http://wheelmap.org
http://holger-dieterich.de
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - image=http://xxxx

2013-06-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Based on objections about determining the license status of the linked
image,
I have removed:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Image
>From voting for now.

I encourage discussion.  How can an agent, using an image link, determine
the license status of the image?
Clearly there is no problem with the URL itself, but the image could be
restricted from reuse.
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Re: [Tagging] Through_route next steps

2013-06-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 17:35 +0200, fly wrote:
> On 16.06.2013 22:50, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> >>@Rob:
> >>Did you ever try to describe the junction with the Lane and Road
> >>Attributes?
> > 
> > No, I didn't. And as I've been busy with organising SOTM I didn't even
> > fully read the tag proposal (hence I didn't vote). I hope you agree that
> > my general comment about reading through and attempting to address the
> > critical points on the through_route proposal is the right way forward.
> > Yes, this may mean dropping the tag proposal altogether and working with
> > a different tag instead.
> > 
> > In my opinion, what the through_route tag was aiming to do is still a
> > good idea. I see it as more important for small unclassified country
> > roads, rather than multi-lane highways. Here in the UK many small
> > historic rural roads can have tight bends and often, if there is a
> > connecting road, a satnav will give an instruction to turn right/left
> > when one is not in fact needed (or not give an instruction when one is
> > needed).
> 
> Now, I get your problem. We are talking about unclassified roads (no
> ref) right ?
> 
> Stiil the Lane and Road Attributes should work as you can tag the
> "through_route" and the turning_lanes which might be also the single
> lane leading straight and allowing a turn. As you tag the direction on
> the turns (left/right) the router could get infos about the turns.

You are correct, we are talking about unclassified and tertiary roads.
Although this problem also occurs on secondary, primary and trunk roads,
a classification is a measure of importance and not always quality. But
where did the turning lane come from? or even lanes in many cases?

Here is an example of why this tag is needed, and obviously support from
routers.

http://osrm.at/3Hs

This route misses two important left turn instructions, the instructions
should be 
Turn left onto B5065 in both cases.

Here is the first junction http://goo.gl/maps/ouXTC

and the second, which is a very definite left turn, but easily missed as
routers assume you are continuing on the same road, without the
instruction anyone following instructions is likely to carry straight on
http://goo.gl/maps/DSDbt

And again further along the route a vital right turn is missed.
http://osrm.at/3Ht
http://goo.gl/maps/bfuaS


Roads were not planned, they do not go in straight lines and have
evolved over time and we need a means to reflect this and provide
meaningful information.

Phil (trigpoint)





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Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] ref tags

2013-06-17 Thread Paul Johnson
The excuse I've heard is that European countries "don't have
concurrencies."  Which conveniently ignores the E roads...


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Because, as I understand it, route relations are not used as extensively
> in some regions / countries as they are here in the U.S. and we cannot
> impose this reliance on relationships for numbered route relations on
> everyone. Perhaps if we make it a switch / option in osm2pgsql so folks can
> choose based on their local situation?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Jason Remillard <
> remillard.ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why not just patch osm2pgsql? It seems like the right place for this
>> is on the relation.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I wanted to get an opinion on the right place for 'ref' tags on numbered
>> > routes.
>> >
>> > From what I understand, osm2pgsql and the downstream rendering process
>> uses
>> > the ref tags on the way object to render highway 'shields'.
>> >
>> > The following example corroborates this. Consider this (long) way:
>> >
>> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/13649057
>> >
>> > See how this segment has no 'shields' on the map because the way itself
>> has
>> > no ref tag:
>> >
>> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.5419&lon=-89.4744&zoom=13&layers=M
>> >
>> > Even though the way is part of the properly tagged relation
>> >
>> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/23246
>> >
>> > I see two issues here:
>> >
>> > 1) Information already present in the relation object being duplicated
>> on
>> > the way to satisfy the renderer
>> > 2) Incomplete coverage of ref information on ways
>> >
>> > I don't think we can solve 1) in the short term. There are likely many,
>> many
>> > numbered route networks in the world that are poorly covered by
>> relations,
>> > because the renderer does not encourage it, because relations were
>> > introduced after a lot of numbered routes were already tagged before the
>> > arrival of relations, because the wiki is ambiguous, perhaps other
>> reasons.
>> >
>> > There are perhaps a few thousand ways in the U.S. that are part of a
>> > numbered route, yet do not have ref tags on the way. My question is: how
>> > should we deal with these?
>> >
>> > My proposal is to 'fill the gaps' by manually tagging these ways using
>> the
>> > existing conventions for route relation ref tagging ('US 98', 'I 20',
>> 'MS
>> > 467', etc.) wherever this information can be derived from an existing
>> route
>> > relation. We have folks here at Telenav willing to spend some cycles on
>> > this, but I want to see if this is a sane approach before we do
>> anything.
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging camp sites within campground

2013-06-17 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm thinking it might be time to revive this proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site

In which, the space my 5th Wheel has been for the last half a year would be
part of a site relation.  The node or closed way representing my spot would
be tagged...

addr:housenumber=801
addr:street=North Mingo Road
...
lot:number=252
caravan=designated
tent=no



On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Bryce Nesbitt  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>
>> This would be tagging for the renderer in many cases.  And still breaks
>> situations where the campground has a house number (ie, pretty much
>> everywhere in the US).
>>
>
> Could you illustrate so I understand?
>
> ---
> name=Camp Hypothetical
> addr:housenumber=153
> addr:street=Hypothetical Street
> website=*
>
> addr:housenumber=153
> addr:street=Camp Hypothetical
> group_only=yes
>  ---
>
> My intent is to map to the router, not so much the renderer.
>
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