Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/15 Zsolt Bertalan :
> No, I see it as a tourism feature. I don't want to introduce a new
> namespace. The other tag (hiking_checkpoint=yes) is only needed in the rare
> case if we already have a tourism tag.


I agree to the others: don't propose 2 tags for the same thing. As you
say, stamping points (or hiking checkpoints) will usually / often be
related to touristic features. This is IMHO the reason why "tourism"
is not suitable as a key for them: they will already be represented by
a feature with a tourism key (e.g. attraction).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-19 Thread Zsolt Bertalan
Oh, Gawd!

I think you are right. So my newest proposal :) would be:

checkpoint=hiking or cycling or whatever else
and instead of hiking_course=value course=value?

Zsolt

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:52 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2011/7/15 Zsolt Bertalan :
> > No, I see it as a tourism feature. I don't want to introduce a new
> > namespace. The other tag (hiking_checkpoint=yes) is only needed in the
> rare
> > case if we already have a tourism tag.
>
>
> I agree to the others: don't propose 2 tags for the same thing. As you
> say, stamping points (or hiking checkpoints) will usually / often be
> related to touristic features. This is IMHO the reason why "tourism"
> is not suitable as a key for them: they will already be represented by
> a feature with a tourism key (e.g. attraction).
>
> cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] [sharedmapau] Mapping surveyed marks

2011-07-19 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:33 PM, John Smith  wrote:
> On 11 July 2011 21:24, Franc Carter  wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:19 PM, John Smith 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone been tagging these from Nearmap imagery or even on the ground?
>>
>> I'd like to knwo how to recognise/nterpret them - seems very useful to have
>> a point we know to higher accuracy
>
> They're not hard to spot, I've seen them from residential areas to
> along highways:
>
> http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-23.585605,148.825851&z=21&t=k&nmd=20110505

Seeming I'm interested in the tagging of such features and it seems
there is no or little existing clear usage, I'm putting forward my
ideas/thoughts.

I'm trying to keep in line with
http://www.lpma.nsw.gov.au/survey_and_maps/scims_online/glossary and
existing tags.

So we keep man_made=survey_point, but we also add additional,

survey_point:type=mapping_control_point
survey_point:type=cadastral_reference_mark
survey_point:type=geodetic_bench_mark
survey_point:type=miscellaneous_survey_mark
survey_point:type=permanent_mark
survey_point:type=state_survey_mark
survey_point:type=trigonometrical_station

I used :type in case we want to add other :foo's to survey_point, but
it could be omitted, I don't care so long as it is consistent and
non-ambiguous.

mapping_control_point would be your marks used as ground control
points (GCPs) you see from aerial imagery. (wiki currently has
aerial=yes)

state_survey_mark would be the 50mm diameter plates with a dot in the
middle found in footpaths/gutters, etc.

trigonometrical_station would be the ones with stone pillars which you
can place survey equipment on top of, which sometimes also have a big
black circle on top.

I'm guessing geodetic_bench_mark would be a mark used to monitor plate
movement, etc..?

I'm guessing cadastral_reference_mark would be a white peg or
something a surveyor put in the ground to mark land boundaries?

For now I'm using ref:ssm= to store the id number of the state survey mark.

Thoughts?

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-19 Thread Matt
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/splash_pad

Please comment.

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - mark vehicles, for which restriction is operating (preparing for voting: questions)

2011-07-19 Thread OSM user
Hello!
  Please, look at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/mark_vehicles,_for_which_restriction_is_operating
.
  I've prepared questions for voting - please, check them and, if you
have some ideas, please, leave comments.
User Dinamik

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-19 Thread panierAvide

Le 19/07/2011 13:30, Matt a écrit :

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/splash_pad

Please comment.

Thanks,
Matt
This proposal seems good in my opinion. Just why don't you recommend to 
tag it as area ? We sometime see some smaller buildings tagged as area, 
if a precise source exists I don't see why it couldn't be tagged as an 
area too.
Otherwise, could also be a good idea list tags that can be added to 
define more precisely the object (width=* if it's a node, when the 
splash pad is open/works, age restriction if there's one...).


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-19 Thread Josh Doe
I'm glad you brought this up. I recently mapped a newly opened accessible
playground that includes these sorts of water features, though it includes
more features than the splash pad shown in the example picture, such as
fixed water guns, and this interactive water canal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63258265@N08/5749130062/

They alternatively call this a sprayground or spraypark. I happened to use
playground=spraypark:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1648182

Searching for spray and splash on TagInfo I see the following:

70: dcgis:spraypark (from an import)
6: park_type=SPRAY␣PARK
5: amenity=splash_pad
1: leisure=spray␣deck
1: leisure=splash_pad

For whatever it's worth, sprayground on Wikipedia redirects to "splash pad".
I think playground=splash_pad is probably a good choice, as it is applicable
to the small splash pads found in some cities, as well as a component of
larger playgrounds.

-Josh


On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Matt  wrote:

> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/splash_pad
>
> Please comment.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II

On 7/19/2011 7:30 AM, Matt wrote:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/splash_pad


Looks good, except for the statement that they should only be on nodes. 
Here's the one that I've mapped: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/74893584


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-19 Thread Jason Cunningham
Wasn't sure what a "splash pad" was and it looks like it's a North American
term for the British "water play area"?

In keeping with the language convention we should be using the British
"playground=water_play_area".

It's definitely a good thing to add, but I'd usually map it as an area
rather than a node

Jason

On 19 July 2011 12:30, Matt  wrote:

> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/splash_pad
>
> Please comment.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hiking_checkpoint

2011-07-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Zsolt Bertalan  wrote:
> checkpoint=hiking or cycling or whatever else

I kind of like this, as it has scope to be used for other purposes.

> and instead of hiking_course=value course=value?

Still don't like "course". The term "course" is mostly associated with
competitive events like racing. I think what you're describing is
fundamentally no different to any other walking route, with the
possible difference that the information describing the route is
stored separately (ie, website, brochures, badges) rather than with
signage. But that difference is easy to work into the existing hiking
route scheme.

(Yes, there is the issue of "super-relations", in that your "hiking
course" could be described as containing other "hiking routes". I
don't think that's a major concern though...)

Steve

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 07/19/2011 02:53 PM, Jason Cunningham wrote:
> Wasn't sure what a "splash pad" was and it looks like it's a North
> American term for the British "water play area"?

We used to call them "wading pools," but then we ended up with a
generation of idiot parents who think swimming pools and children still
in diapers isn't a threat to public health when you mix them.  Insert
social commentary about common sense and vaccination rate here.




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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-19 Thread Matt
I've modified the proposal. Thanks for the feedback.

On Jul 19, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:

> On 7/19/2011 7:30 AM, Matt wrote:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/splash_pad
> 
> Looks good, except for the statement that they should only be on nodes. 
> Here's the one that I've mapped: 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/74893584
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-19 Thread Matt
Thanks for the feedback.

There is no wikipedia entry for "water play area". I'm not sure what language 
convention you are referring to. Can you please explain why the British term 
should have precedence?

Doing a quick google search, it appears the term "splashpad" is used in the U.K.

Matt

On Jul 19, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Jason Cunningham wrote:

> Wasn't sure what a "splash pad" was and it looks like it's a North American 
> term for the British "water play area"?
> 
> In keeping with the language convention we should be using the British 
> "playground=water_play_area". 
> 
> It's definitely a good thing to add, but I'd usually map it as an area rather 
> than a node
> 
> Jason
> 
> On 19 July 2011 12:30, Matt  wrote:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/splash_pad
> 
> Please comment.
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - playground:splash_pad

2011-07-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II

On 7/19/2011 9:54 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:

On 07/19/2011 02:53 PM, Jason Cunningham wrote:

Wasn't sure what a "splash pad" was and it looks like it's a North
American term for the British "water play area"?


We used to call them "wading pools," but then we ended up with a
generation of idiot parents who think swimming pools and children still
in diapers isn't a threat to public health when you mix them.  Insert
social commentary about common sense and vaccination rate here.


Not the same thing. A splash pad has no standing water.

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