Re: [Tagging] Bus depot?
2010/12/15 Dave F. : > Hi > > How are bus depots being tagged? These are places where bus are stored, say > overnight, when not in use. > > I've looked on taginfo & there was only one use of bus_depot, so I assume > it's being tagged differently, but not sure how. There was a short discussion about this in very recent times on the Italian discussion list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2010-December/020608.html There seemed to be agreement, but nobody ever proceeded to make a proposal. I'll revive the discussion and ask for a proposal, if that's ok with you. Otherwise, feel free to start one yourself. > Cheers > Dave F. Ciao, Simone ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Proposal - Draft: key=osm for aerial imagery and internel objects
Hello, I've created a proposal for imagery objects and other objects that are only used internaly in osm. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/osm Aerial Imagery: --- With the new Bing images many new relations have been created that contain boundaries of hires images. I think it would be cool to have a uniq tagging for such objects. Examples without unified tagging: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1291579 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/396170 Worksets, Experimental Tagging, ... - Sometimes mappers are creating objects with experimental tagging or collections of objects for personal use. Mappers that do QA work sometimes delete or change that objects. Thus the experimental mappers try to tell those QA mappers not to delete that objects with additional tags. e.g. "note=this is a test relation, please do not delete it", These messages can only be read by human mappers, not by bots. To make it easier for the QA mapper, the bots and the mappers that are working on new things it would be nice to have a uniq tagging for such objects. The proposed tags are: osm=experimental; osm=test; osm=temporary; osm=workset Comments and additional ideas are welcome. Regards Werner (werner2101) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal - Draft: key=osm for aerial imagery and internel objects
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Werner Hoch wrote: > Hello, > > I've created a proposal for imagery objects and other objects that are > only used internaly in osm. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/osm > Aerial Imagery: > --- > With the new Bing images many new relations have been created that > contain boundaries of hires images. I think it would be cool to have a > uniq tagging for such objects. > Examples without unified tagging: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1291579 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/396170 These are features of Bing, not of the earth. They belong with the Bing dataset, or else another dataset which collects metadata about imagery, but I don't think it belongs in OSM. > Worksets, Experimental Tagging, ... > - > Sometimes mappers are creating objects with experimental tagging or > collections of objects for personal use. They can do that on a dev server. > Mappers that do QA work sometimes delete or change that objects. They shouldn't be doing QA work on the production dataset. > These messages can only be read by human mappers, not by bots. To make > it easier for the QA mapper, the bots and the mappers that are working > on new things it would be nice to have a uniq tagging for such objects. > The proposed tags are: > osm=experimental; osm=test; osm=temporary; osm=workset > > Comments and additional ideas are welcome. We have a mechanism for people to experiment with; that's the dev server. If you're saying that's not sufficient, I'd like to hear why and what we can/should be providing to aid mappers's experimentation without effecting our production dataset. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal - Draft: key=osm for aerial imagery and internel objects
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:08:37 -, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Werner Hoch wrote: Aerial Imagery: --- With the new Bing images many new relations have been created that contain boundaries of hires images. I think it would be cool to have a uniq tagging for such objects. Examples without unified tagging: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1291579 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/396170 These are features of Bing, not of the earth. They belong with the Bing dataset, or else another dataset which collects metadata about imagery, but I don't think it belongs in OSM. Also see top of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage "Please use this page for recording coverage. Do not use boundary relations. Large, detailed relations can be exceptionally slow to retrieve and cause very high server load, especially when accessible via an OpenLayers slippymap client. Significant problems have already been caused by people trying to map coverage with a relation, and then posting the relation URL." ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Proposal - Draft: key=osm for aerial imagery and internel objects
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Robert Naylor wrote: > Also see top of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage > > "Please use this page for recording coverage. Do not use boundary > relations. Large, detailed relations can be exceptionally slow to retrieve > and cause very high server load, especially when accessible via an > OpenLayers slippymap client. Significant problems have already been caused > by people trying to map coverage with a relation, and then posting the > relation URL." > > I think the best proposal we can do is to delete such boundaries from OSM. That's what I will do If I find one in my working area. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Editing road layouts that have bus routes
The other day I tidied up a road junction near where I live in Bristol, moving nodes and deleting a way with the aid of Bing imagery. I found it more problematic than I expected because of a bus route that went along the road - the deleted way seems to have confused things. Here are the two ways, between which was the deleted way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4301896 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37354486 The two relations (one in each direction) look ok here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/273877 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/168190 But in JOSM there are now dozens of entries "forward=incomplete", "backward=incomplete", "forward_stop=incomplete". 1. I'd be very grateful if a bus route expert could check the above. 2. Is there a bus route animator anywhere that could visualize whether the route is ok? thanks, - L ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Editing road layouts that have bus routes
Try this one: http://openbusmap.org/ Dunno how old it's data is, looks like a week old or something. 2010/12/15 Laurence Penney : > The other day I tidied up a road junction near where I live in Bristol, > moving nodes and deleting a way with the aid of Bing imagery. I found it more > problematic than I expected because of a bus route that went along the road - > the deleted way seems to have confused things. > > Here are the two ways, between which was the deleted way: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4301896 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37354486 > > The two relations (one in each direction) look ok here: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/273877 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/168190 > > But in JOSM there are now dozens of entries "forward=incomplete", > "backward=incomplete", "forward_stop=incomplete". > > 1. I'd be very grateful if a bus route expert could check the above. > 2. Is there a bus route animator anywhere that could visualize whether the > route is ok? > > thanks, > > - L > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Editing road layouts that have bus routes
On 15/12/2010 15:31, Laurence Penney wrote: The other day I tidied up a road junction near where I live in Bristol, moving nodes and deleting a way with the aid of Bing imagery. I found it more problematic than I expected because of a bus route that went along the road - the deleted way seems to have confused things. Here are the two ways, between which was the deleted way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4301896 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37354486 The two relations (one in each direction) look ok here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/273877 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/168190 But in JOSM there are now dozens of entries "forward=incomplete", "backward=incomplete", "forward_stop=incomplete". 1. I'd be very grateful if a bus route expert could check the above. 2. Is there a bus route animator anywhere that could visualize whether the route is ok? When JOSM says they are incomplete, it just means those parts of the relation haven't been downloaded. So use the "Download members" option, and it will download all of them. You can then select the relation (double click on it in the list of the relations), which will highlight it on the map. Then you can check it, and see if it looks correct. I'm no bus route expert, but that section appears to be correct, as far as I can tell. There is a relation analyzer, that can be helpful for finding gaps in relations. Though it doesn't show it clearly if it has separate parts with different roles, eg forward/backward. See http://ra.osmsurround.org/ and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation_Analyzer I don't know if there are any better tools for this. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Mapnik Software
Hi, We all know there lot of our maps are rendered with Mapnik. Does somebody knows if there is development going on on this software. Dows thsi software package evolve in supporting more complex situation in GeoData? Robert___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=anime_stuff
Hi All. Welcome to discussion about new tag shop=anime_stuff http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Anime_stuff Best regards, ergo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - winter & ice roads
Switched the wiki page to RFC state. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Editing road layouts that have bus routes
On 12/15/2010 04:39 PM, Peter wrote: Try this one: http://openbusmap.org/ Dunno how old it's data is, looks like a week old or something. The data is from September. http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=pubtrans_network gets updated more frequently. Teddych ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapnik Software
Yup. Work is being done on Mapnik2. Read about it on http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/Mapnik2 2010/12/15 Robert Elsenaar : > Hi, > > We all know there lot of our maps are rendered with Mapnik. > Does somebody knows if there is development going on on this software. Dows > thsi software package evolve in supporting more complex situation in > GeoData? > > Robert > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Editing road layouts that have bus routes
Thanks! September is quite old... 2010/12/15 Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) : > On 12/15/2010 04:39 PM, Peter wrote: >> >> Try this one: http://openbusmap.org/ >> Dunno how old it's data is, looks like a week old or something. > > The data is from September. > http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=pubtrans_network gets updated more > frequently. > > Teddych > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bus depot?
On 15/12/2010 09:19, Simone Saviolo wrote: I'll revive the discussion and ask for a proposal, if that's ok with you. That's sound great. please let us know of any conclusions. Personally I'd go for landuse=bus_depot. but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks Dave F ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bus depot?
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: > Personally I'd go for landuse=bus_depot. but I'm open to suggestions. So landuse=* is going to be the new dumping ground? :) I had thought landuse=* was for general categories, like "there is industrial activity in this area" without picking out a particular item. Could we break out into a new top level tag: transport=depot, depot=bus? (Because presumably we also want tram depots, etc etc.) Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Bus depot?
On 12/15/10 5:59 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Dave F. wrote: Personally I'd go for landuse=bus_depot. but I'm open to suggestions. So landuse=* is going to be the new dumping ground? :) I had thought landuse=* was for general categories, like "there is industrial activity in this area" without picking out a particular item. Could we break out into a new top level tag: transport=depot, depot=bus? (Because presumably we also want tram depots, etc etc.) transportation departments have depots for highway maintenence school districts have bus depots there are commercial bus depots as well, and public transit bus depots. maybe transport is ok, but let's make sure we enumerate the choices so we're reasonably complete. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
in albany ny, we have one of the few surviving ones of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfgusedautoparts/772654479/in/set-72157605741479117/ it's not a monument or memorial (except maybe to an old record label), and tourism=attraction seems like it might be overkill -- but then, it's really the only thing under tourism that seems even remotely appropriate. anyone have any suggestions on tagging this kind of stuff? richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > in albany ny, we have one of the few surviving ones of these: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfgusedautoparts/772654479/in/set-72157605741479117/ > > it's not a monument or memorial (except maybe to an old record label), > and tourism=attraction seems like it might be overkill -- but then, it's > really the only thing under tourism that seems even remotely appropriate. > > anyone have any suggestions on tagging this kind of stuff? Well, you didn't actually explain what it is - obviously there's more to it than just a dog on someone's roof. tourism=attraction seems ok to me, but a more generic tourism=landmark or something might be appropriate. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Well, you didn't actually explain what it is - obviously there's more > to it than just a dog on someone's roof. http://wikimapia.org/1877706/RTA-Building-W-Nipper ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
On 12/15/10 8:08 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
in albany ny, we have one of the few surviving ones of these:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfgusedautoparts/772654479/in/set-72157605741479117/
it's not a monument or memorial (except maybe to an old record label),
and tourism=attraction seems like it might be overkill -- but then, it's
really the only thing under tourism that seems even remotely appropriate.
anyone have any suggestions on tagging this kind of stuff?
Well, you didn't actually explain what it is - obviously there's more
to it than just a dog on someone's roof.
Nipper is fairly recognizable i thought, but maybe not so much. the dog
served as the symbol of RCA Victor recordings ("His Master's Voice")
for many decades, and statues of Nipper were built on RCA related buildings
all over the country. the RCA brand used it in advertising through the 80s
(maybe into the 90s, i don't recall), but the brand has faded since GE
sold it to a european electronics outfit 15 or 20 years ago.
tourism=attraction seems ok to me, but a more generic tourism=landmark
or something might be appropriate.
it depends on what an attraction is. i'm not averse to using it, but in the
US at least, an attraction is usually some place you park, maybe buy
tickets, and go in a building, park, etc for a more extended experience.
landmark sounds better to me than attraction for this kind of thing.
richard
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Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
A related question is how to tag something like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_192_marker_7_eastbound.jpg It's often called a mile marker, but the distance between each consecutive pair is not constant. The intent is for tourist-oriented businesses to advertise their location with respect to the markers. I used man_made=tower name=Marker 7, but I don't know if this is best. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
The mileage markers are also used in police reports, highway department work orders, and the like, as a standardized way of describing an approximate location. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts >From :mailto:nerou...@gmail.com Date :Wed Dec 15 19:36:00 America/Chicago 2010 A related question is how to tag something like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_192_marker_7_eastbound.jpg It's often called a mile marker, but the distance between each consecutive pair is not constant. The intent is for tourist-oriented businesses to advertise their location with respect to the markers. I used man_made=tower name=Marker 7, but I don't know if this is best. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:45 PM, wrote: > The mileage markers are also used in police reports, highway department work > orders, and the like, as a standardized way of describing an approximate > location. Read what I said: these are not mile markers. Perhaps the police uses them as landmarks, but I would hope the highway department doesn't. > > ---Original Email--- > Subject :Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts > From :mailto:nerou...@gmail.com > Date :Wed Dec 15 19:36:00 America/Chicago 2010 > > > A related question is how to tag something like this: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_192_marker_7_eastbound.jpg > It's often called a mile marker, but the distance between each > consecutive pair is not constant. The intent is for tourist-oriented > businesses to advertise their location with respect to the markers. I > used man_made=tower name=Marker 7, but I don't know if this is best. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
i think this varies. in NY, most highways have small green reference markers about every 1/10th of a mile, distinct from the larger green markers with mileages that are mostly about a mile apart. these reference markers are the ones that police and highway crews work with. because the small reference markers are hard to read and most are not aware of their significance, i've avoided doing any mapping that involves information that only appears on them. On 12/15/10 8:45 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The mileage markers are also used in police reports, highway department work orders, and the like, as a standardized way of describing an approximate location. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts > From :mailto:nerou...@gmail.com Date :Wed Dec 15 19:36:00 America/Chicago 2010 A related question is how to tag something like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_192_marker_7_eastbound.jpg It's often called a mile marker, but the distance between each consecutive pair is not constant. The intent is for tourist-oriented businesses to advertise their location with respect to the markers. I used man_made=tower name=Marker 7, but I don't know if this is best. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
These "GuideMarkers" seem to be specific to US Route 192 (http://www.highway192kissimmee.com/). I thought there was a tag for something to the effect of "informational highway sign", but if there is I couldn't find it. On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > i think this varies. in NY, most highways have small green reference > markers about every 1/10th of a mile, distinct from the larger > green markers with mileages that are mostly about a mile apart. > these reference markers are the ones that police and highway > crews work with. > > because the small reference markers are hard to read and most > are not aware of their significance, i've avoided doing any mapping > that involves information that only appears on them. > > On 12/15/10 8:45 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: >> >> The mileage markers are also used in police reports, highway department >> work orders, and the like, as a standardized way of describing an >> approximate location. >> >> ---Original Email--- >> Subject :Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts >> > From :mailto:nerou...@gmail.com >> Date :Wed Dec 15 19:36:00 America/Chicago 2010 >> >> >> A related question is how to tag something like this: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_192_marker_7_eastbound.jpg >> It's often called a mile marker, but the distance between each >> consecutive pair is not constant. The intent is for tourist-oriented >> businesses to advertise their location with respect to the markers. I >> used man_made=tower name=Marker 7, but I don't know if this is best. >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > i think this varies. in NY, most highways have small green reference > markers about every 1/10th of a mile, distinct from the larger > green markers with mileages that are mostly about a mile apart. > these reference markers are the ones that police and highway > crews work with. Did you look at the link? It's a huge thing, taller than a person. >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_192_marker_7_eastbound.jpg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
On 12/15/10 9:31 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i think this varies. in NY, most highways have small green reference markers about every 1/10th of a mile, distinct from the larger green markers with mileages that are mostly about a mile apart. these reference markers are the ones that police and highway crews work with. Did you look at the link? It's a huge thing, taller than a person. i wasn't really responding to your post, so much as the one followup. i'm familiar with these signs, there's nothing i know of in the tagging system that's applicable right now. they're a rather unusual case richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] tagging a point of interest of sorts
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > it depends on what an attraction is. i'm not averse to using it, but in the > US at least, an attraction is usually some place you park, maybe buy > tickets, and go in a building, park, etc for a more extended experience. Yeah, but don't go thinking that every cultural stereotype surrounding the word "attraction" has to apply to a tag of the same name. Btw, historic=yes is another candidate. Of the existing tags, that might be the best actually. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
