[Tagging] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
* Richard Fairhurst [2010-10-14 10:47 -0700]: > I think you could largely sum up his criticisms in two broad headings: > >1. US OSM contributors need to get their shit together >2. European maps don't look like American ones I'm trying to see what sort of consensus exists on some of the issues from 41 latitude's post. I've sent an email to the talk-us list[0] asking for feedback and discussion. I encourage anyone who's interested, particulary people who map in the US, to contribute to the discussion on that list. [0]: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-October/004361.html -- ...computer contrarian of the first order... / http://aperiodic.net/phil/ PGP: 026A27F2 print: D200 5BDB FC4B B24A 9248 9F7A 4322 2D22 026A 27F2 --- -- Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds. -- _Decrypting the Puzzle Palace_, John Barlow --- -- ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: > * Richard Fairhurst [2010-10-14 10:47 -0700]: >> I think you could largely sum up his criticisms in two broad headings: >> >> 1. US OSM contributors need to get their shit together >> 2. European maps don't look like American ones > > I'm trying to see what sort of consensus exists on some of the issues from > 41 latitude's post. I've sent an email to the talk-us list[0] asking for > feedback and discussion. I encourage anyone who's interested, particulary > people who map in the US, to contribute to the discussion on that list. > > [0]: > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-October/004361.html The North American interest in highway signs may be difficult to understand around the world. If I remember correctly one of our Euro-colleagues referred to highway shields as looking "a bit naff". I think that means "good" though. So, highways and road culture play a large role in the life of many North Americans, there are even songs that we know like Route 66, and Highway 61 that show affection for specific roads. There are others. Many others. I was surprised to find this list of road songs on the official US Federal Highway Administration web site. That may help to define the scope of the interest (problem) for our friends who don't see the attraction of highway shields. Even the humorless official bodies in North America like a good road song. http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/roadsong.cfm ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
Richard Weait writes: > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: >> * Richard Fairhurst [2010-10-14 10:47 -0700]: >>> I think you could largely sum up his criticisms in two broad headings: >>> >>> 1. US OSM contributors need to get their shit together >>> 2. European maps don't look like American ones >> >> I'm trying to see what sort of consensus exists on some of the issues from >> 41 latitude's post. I've sent an email to the talk-us list[0] asking for >> feedback and discussion. I encourage anyone who's interested, particulary >> people who map in the US, to contribute to the discussion on that list. >> >> [0]: >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-October/004361.html > > The North American interest in highway signs may be difficult to > understand around the world. If I remember correctly one of our > Euro-colleagues referred to highway shields as looking "a bit naff". > I think that means "good" though. > > So, highways and road culture play a large role in the life of many > North Americans, there are even songs that we know like Route 66, and > Highway 61 that show affection for specific roads. There are others. > Many others. I was surprised to find this list of road songs on the > official US Federal Highway Administration web site. That may help to > define the scope of the interest (problem) for our friends who don't > see the attraction of highway shields. Even the humorless official > bodies in North America like a good road song. > > http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/roadsong.cfm For better or worse, that made me think of images like http://failblog.org/2008/07/03/sign-design-fail/ Whether it's a good thing or not, we still have to figure out how to tag it. Bear with us. -- Peter Budny \ Georgia Tech \ CS PhD student \ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Peter Budny wrote: > For better or worse, that made me think of images like > http://failblog.org/2008/07/03/sign-design-fail/ > > Whether it's a good thing or not, we still have to figure out how to tag > it. Bear with us. It's not as bad as it looks. It's a junction with three legs: *behind the camera: US 29 north, US 601 north *straight ahead: US 29 south, US 601 south (signs say US 601 By-Pass south, but this designation was removed in 1997! http://www.ncdot.gov/doh/preconstruct/traffic/safety/reports/RTE/US601B_19970724.pdf), NC 73 west *to the left: NC 73 east (former US 601 Business south until 1997) US 601 Truck does not seem to be an official designation, but merely a statement that trucks should use the bypass. NC 73 Truck does not pass through this intersection (there should be TO plates up top), but begins straight ahead where NC 73 splits from US 29-601 (then follows US 601 and NC 49, rejoining NC 73 near Mount Pleasant). The routes (except for NC 73 Truck) appear on http://dotw-xfer01.dot.state.nc.us/imgdot/DOTCountyMaps/PDFs/cabar_plt02SRMU-Tif800.pdf (near the top, somewhat west of center, just west of Beverly Hills Elementary). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Fwd: [Talk-us] Highway Tagging Consensus to Improve OSM (and address some of 41 latitude's concerns)
Forwarding this to the tagging list: should the name tag on a highway=motorway_junction node be used for the destinations on the exit sign or only for a special name if the junction has one (like in Germany I believe all junctions have a one-city name, and many US toll roads name their interchanges)? On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Mike N. wrote: >I said: >> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Mike N. wrote: >>> >>> If we're serious about starting to use exit_to, let's float this on the >>> talk list and get the JOSM preset changed. Eventually, all the existing >>> entries must be converted. (Hopefully no map data consumer is using the >>> name= part of the motorway_junction yet) >> >> What JOSM preset is this? The highway=motorway_junction one has name >> and number, which is correct. The only issue is whether what's on the >> sign is the name, or whether the name is something that doesn't exist >> at all exits. > > That's the preset I was referring to. If we decide that placing sign > destinations into exit_to instead of name will be common, the exit_to field > should be added to the preset dialog to prompt people that something has > changed. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
On 10/16/2010 08:46 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > So, highways and road culture play a large role in the life of many > North Americans, there are even songs that we know like Route 66, and > Highway 61 that show affection for specific roads. I wonder if it's worth the trouble and effort to maintain US-HISTORIC routes, since their use is primarily recreational and are frequently inconsistent in their continued existence, and frequently their historic posted alignments. For example, OK-66 goes through Kellyville, though the old US-66 alignment now runs abandoned and without pavement through the property I'm on... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I wonder if it's worth the trouble and effort to maintain US-HISTORIC > routes, since their use is primarily recreational and are frequently > inconsistent in their continued existence, and frequently their historic > posted alignments. For example, OK-66 goes through Kellyville, though > the old US-66 alignment now runs abandoned and without pavement through > the property I'm on... Since Historic US 66 is (I believe) posted in every state, yes, it should have relations. These relations shouldn't include abandoned roads that aren't marked as part of the historic route, however. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] How can the US get its stuff together? (was Re: Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap)
2010/10/17 Nathan Edgars II : > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> I wonder if it's worth the trouble and effort to maintain US-HISTORIC >> routes, since their use is primarily recreational and are frequently >> inconsistent in their continued existence, and frequently their historic >> posted alignments. For example, OK-66 goes through Kellyville, though >> the old US-66 alignment now runs abandoned and without pavement through >> the property I'm on... > > Since Historic US 66 is (I believe) posted in every state, yes, it > should have relations. These relations shouldn't include abandoned > roads that aren't marked as part of the historic route, however. could be even more interesting to map those, as they are much harder to spot, don't you think? Just map them in a way they're not confusable with what is still ojn the ground / andor signposted. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
