[Sursound] b-format decoders
Hello, I made some recordings on a soundfield st250 in b-format. Please could you recommend a decoder i can use in pro-tools 10 or Logic x that will allow me to make the four stems into stereo files or a decoder that I can place on the master out so that I could edit the files whilst listing in stereo. Also a decoder that would allow me to play back the stems as b-format files through a multi-speaker array within a live performance realm. Thank you in advance. Ross ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] Ambisonics and IMAX 12.0
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Re: [Sursound] B-format decoders
Hi Ross, Have you tried SurroundZone2 that can be downloaded for free on TSL's website? Regards, Anna Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Sep 2016, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: > > Send Sursound mailing list submissions to >sursound@music.vt.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at >sursound-ow...@music.vt.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sursound digest..." > > > WHEN REPLYING EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE > > ALSO EDIT THE MESSAGE BODY > > You are receiving the digest so when replying, please remember to edit your > Subject line to that of the original message you are replying to, so it is > more specific than "Re: Contents of Sursound-list digest…" the subject should > match the post you are replying to. > > Also, please EDIT the quoted post so that it is not the entire digest, but > just the post you are replying to - this will keep the archive useful and not > polluted with extraneous posts. > > This is the responsibility of digest subscribers. the community and list > subscribers care about the integrity of the threads and archives so this is > important. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. b-format decoders (Ross Adams) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 15:08:44 +0200 > From: Ross Adams > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: [Sursound] b-format decoders > Message-ID: <714bc00e-e0c8-4e12-af34-b643ce354...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello, > > I made some recordings on a soundfield st250 in b-format. > > Please could you recommend a decoder i can use in pro-tools 10 or Logic x > that will allow me to make the four stems into stereo files or a decoder that > I can place on the master out so that I could edit the files whilst listing > in stereo. > > Also a decoder that would allow me to play back the stems as b-format files > through a multi-speaker array within a live performance realm. > > Thank you in advance. > Ross > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > WHEN REPLYING EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE > > ALSO EDIT THE MESSAGE BODY > > > -- > > End of Sursound Digest, Vol 98, Issue 2 > *** ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] b-format decoders
AAX, AU, VST: http://www.tslproducts.com/soundfield/soundfield-surroundzone2/ Ross Adams wrote: Please could you recommend a decoder i can use in pro-tools 10 or Logic x that will allow me to make the four stems into stereo files or a decoder that I can place on the master out so that I could edit the files whilst listing in stereo. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] b-format decoders
SurroundZone2: http://www.tslproducts.com/soundfield/soundfield-surroundzone2/ Harpex: http://harpex.net/download.html On 04/09/2016 14:08, Ross Adams wrote: Hello, I made some recordings on a soundfield st250 in b-format. Please could you recommend a decoder i can use in pro-tools 10 or Logic x that will allow me to make the four stems into stereo files or a decoder that I can place on the master out so that I could edit the files whilst listing in stereo. Also a decoder that would allow me to play back the stems as b-format files through a multi-speaker array within a live performance realm. Thank you in advance. Ross ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics and IMAX 12.0
On Sun, 04 Sep 2016 09:27:54 -0700 T Archer wrote: > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160904/a741d33b/attachment.html> ... > I'm recording location for an upcoming IMAX film recording with a > Tetramic and spot mics at various rainforest type locations. I was > wondering if someone could recommend the best software that will > configure these tracks into the new IMAX 12.0 speaker arrangement. My > DAW of choice is Nuendo 7. What are the specifications of the new IMAX 12.0 speaker arrangement? -- Marc ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] b-format decoders
Hi, The recorded files will likely be four mono files, or less likely, an interleaved four channel file. The order of the files should be W, X, Y, Z. ProTools, unless HD versions, only handle stereo files but can probably import them as four mono flies. Logic (in my experience) only has one multi-channel bus structure, which can be quad or various versions of Dolby 5.1 etc. De-interleaver can split interleaved files or interleave mono files. http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/mulch.aspx You should be able to import the files into either. You may need to group channels together for editing even though it may all sound a bit strange. You could possibly botch a sort of stereo decoder by treating X and Y as an MS signal, and add a bit of W to both X and Y. It seems that most plug-in decoders have settings for fixed arrays. Good enough for editing on quad or 5.1 systems, but not for large arrays. ProTools and Logic don't have good architectures for using ambisonics. Reaper is much better, though I haven't used it very seriously, and it can be a bit confusing initially. If you are on Mac you could try my free 3DAS Ambisonic Decoder. http://www.3d-audioscape.com/downloads.html It is a stand alone decoder with a WXYZ input, and can address 8 speakers, regular arrays best. You can use Soundflower to get the output of any DAW into it, and it then outputs to your audio interface. Alternatively you can output the four channels to your audio interface and run the decoder on another machine with a bigger audio interface. It was built with Max, and similar things I have made have run on various Mac OS versions, though it has not been used yet on El Capitan. It should be OK, but no guarantees. It is only an 8-channel version as it was aimed at beginners with ambisonics. None of my software has huge numbers of users, so there hasn't been much feedback. Martyn Ware uses it a lot. More output channels are fairly straightforward to implement, though it is questionable whether first order ambisonics benefits from having more than eight speakers. There are, of course, other decoders, none of which I've used in earnest. Wigware Harpex harpex.net Reputedly the best, processing first order ambisonic signals to something like higher orders. BlueRipple et al. Good luck, Dave Hunt On 4 Sep 2016, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: From: Ross Adams Date: 4 September 2016 14:08:44 BDT To: sursound@music.vt.edu Subject: [Sursound] b-format decoders Hello, I made some recordings on a soundfield st250 in b-format. Please could you recommend a decoder i can use in pro-tools 10 or Logic x that will allow me to make the four stems into stereo files or a decoder that I can place on the master out so that I could edit the files whilst listing in stereo. Also a decoder that would allow me to play back the stems as b- format files through a multi-speaker array within a live performance realm. Thank you in advance. Ross -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160904/9e2c9955/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] b-format decoders
Hello Dave. Thank you so much for this extensive information and the links. Very much appreciated. I will try them all. Best Wishes, Ross +44 7973 345410 +45 42 50 07 40 On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > The recorded files will likely be four mono files, or less likely, an > interleaved four channel file. > The order of the files should be W, X, Y, Z. > > ProTools, unless HD versions, only handle stereo files but can probably > import them as four mono flies. > Logic (in my experience) only has one multi-channel bus structure, which > can be quad or various versions of Dolby 5.1 etc. > > De-interleaver can split interleaved files or interleave mono files. > > http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/mulch.aspx > > You should be able to import the files into either. You may need to group > channels together for editing even though it may all sound a bit strange. > > You could possibly botch a sort of stereo decoder by treating X and Y as > an MS signal, and add a bit of W to both X and Y. > > It seems that most plug-in decoders have settings for fixed arrays. Good > enough for editing on quad or 5.1 systems, but not for large arrays. > > ProTools and Logic don't have good architectures for using ambisonics. > Reaper is much better, though I haven't used it very seriously, and it can > be a bit confusing initially. > > If you are on Mac you could try my free 3DAS Ambisonic Decoder. > > http://www.3d-audioscape.com/downloads.html > > It is a stand alone decoder with a WXYZ input, and can address 8 speakers, > regular arrays best. You can use Soundflower to get the output of any DAW > into it, and it then outputs to your audio interface. Alternatively you can > output the four channels to your audio interface and run the decoder on > another machine with a bigger audio interface. > > It was built with Max, and similar things I have made have run on various > Mac OS versions, though it has not been used yet on El Capitan. It should > be OK, but no guarantees. > > It is only an 8-channel version as it was aimed at beginners with > ambisonics. None of my software has huge numbers of users, so there hasn't > been much feedback. Martyn Ware uses it a lot. More output channels are > fairly straightforward to implement, though it is questionable whether > first order ambisonics benefits from having more than eight speakers. > > There are, of course, other decoders, none of which I've used in earnest. > Wigware > > Harpex > harpex.net > Reputedly the best, processing first order ambisonic signals to something > like higher orders. > > BlueRipple > et al. > > Good luck, > > Dave Hunt > > > > On 4 Sep 2016, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: > > From: Ross Adams >> Date: 4 September 2016 14:08:44 BDT >> To: sursound@music.vt.edu >> Subject: [Sursound] b-format decoders >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I made some recordings on a soundfield st250 in b-format. >> >> Please could you recommend a decoder i can use in pro-tools 10 or Logic x >> that will allow me to make the four stems into stereo files or a decoder >> that I can place on the master out so that I could edit the files whilst >> listing in stereo. >> >> Also a decoder that would allow me to play back the stems as b-format >> files through a multi-speaker array within a live performance realm. >> >> Thank you in advance. >> Ross >> > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachme > nts/20160904/9e2c9955/attachment.html> > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160904/1448b956/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] b-format decoders
Dear Daniel, Thank you very much for the link. Kind Regards, Ross +44 7973 345410 +45 42 50 07 40 On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Courville, Daniel wrote: > AAX, AU, VST: http://www.tslproducts.com/soundfield/soundfield- > surroundzone2/ > > Ross Adams wrote: > > Please could you recommend a decoder i can use in pro-tools 10 or > Logic x that will allow me to make the four stems into stereo files or a > decoder that I can place on the master out so that I could edit the files > whilst listing in stereo. > > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160904/037ddceb/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics and IMAX 12.0
I just discovered the Vegas will work with multiple buses. Bit convoluted but you can save a template that makes it easy second time round. Vegas is very good for sound work. Bill On 4/09/2016 10:03 a.m., Marc Lavallée wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2016 09:27:54 -0700 T Archer wrote: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160904/a741d33b/attachment.html> ... I'm recording location for an upcoming IMAX film recording with a Tetramic and spot mics at various rainforest type locations. I was wondering if someone could recommend the best software that will configure these tracks into the new IMAX 12.0 speaker arrangement. My DAW of choice is Nuendo 7. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
