Re: [SAtalk] LIST ADMIN - SUGGESTION: pool.com

[Dan Wilder]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:31:42PM -0600, Jacob S. wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:30:51 -0800
> Dan Wilder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  anyone posts to the list>
> 
> > Some mailing list software has the so-called VERP capability, in
> > which "From: " headers contain the recipient address, encoded thus:
> 
> > I don't know whether this is possible at SourceForge, but if it
> > is, it might make sense to turn on these settings once in a while.
> 
> VERP is an invention of DJB, the author of qmail. Thus, ezmlm, also
> written by DJB, is the only mailing list software I'm aware of that
> supports VERP.

Hope he hasn't patented it.  Mailman 2.1 implements it.

It's a great idea, and I'd expect it has been implemented or
is scheduled for implementation in the rest of the mailing 
list softwares on the planet.

> Sourceforge uses Mailman (fortunately | unfortunately).

The ancient mailman 2.0.

But we're off-topic.  I'll recuse myself from this thread.

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[SAtalk] Re: URI database lookup feature

[David B Funk]

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Carl R. Friend wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, David B Funk wrote:
> >
> > I've been thinking about that exact topic. The Bayes engine
> > already parses and tokenizes hostnames from URIs (the UD: tokens).
> > If there were a hash DB made with the spam-site hostname as key and
> > score,description as value (something like the sendmail access db)
> > then it should be pretty easy to take those UD: tokens and do a
> > lookup and add results to total score.
>
>As near as I can tell, there's no current way for a rule
> to return a score -- they're boolean in nature.  That said,
> even that would be a win for looking up domains in URIs and
> whatnot.

I had assumed that it would need new code to support. That's
why I've been trying to figure out how the scoring code works.
(and trying to get the developers to notice this idea ;).

I don't think that it should be too hard to do, most of the
hooks are already there, but the devil is in the details. ;)

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Re: [SAtalk] SA problem

[Robert Menschel]

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Hello Johnno,

Saturday, November 15, 2003, 5:55:35 PM, you wrote:

J> I have got SA working fine..  What i am wanting to know is how do i
J> stop SA putting there msg's in the email telling it is spam..

The answer may be different according to what version of SA you use. Per
http://www.exit0.us/index.php/GettingAdvice you need to tell us what
version of SA you're using before we can help.

Bob Menschel

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Re: [SAtalk] updating filters?

[Robert Menschel]

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Hello Aaron,

Saturday, November 15, 2003, 3:02:54 PM, you wrote:

AL> I am using an older version of SA (2.50) and have been using it for
AL> quite some time.  Recently more and more spam is starting to get past
AL> the filters.  Is there a way to update all of the filters so that
AL> more spam is getting stopped again without updating spamassassin
AL> entirely?

Yes!  Head to http://www.exit0.us/ and
http://www.merchantsoverseas.com/wwwroot/gorilla/sa_rules.htm

Also, check the your installation for rules that have negative scores --
2.5x
had quite a few of them, and several spammers have learned to fake their
way to match those rules as well, helping their spam sneak through. Zero
the scores for those rules and you'll gain some immediate benefit.

Bob Menschel

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Re: [SAtalk] Auto Learn

[Robert Menschel]

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Hello Johnno,

Saturday, November 15, 2003, 6:41:07 PM, you wrote:

J> I have just noticed in my email headers this 
J> X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=24.8 required=7.5 tests=autolearn=no
version=2.60

J> I want to use autolearn

J> I used auto_learn 1 is this not the cmd?

Per http://www.spamassassin.org/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html the
command is:
> bayes_auto_learn ( 0 | 1 ) (default: 1)

You'll also find the instructions in the MESSAGE TAGGING OPTIONS section
of interest.

Bob Menschel

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Re: [SAtalk] LIST ADMIN - SUGGESTION: pool.com

[Jacob S.]

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:10:33 -0800
Dan Wilder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> > VERP is an invention of DJB, the author of qmail. Thus, ezmlm, also
> > written by DJB, is the only mailing list software I'm aware of that
> > supports VERP.
> 
> Hope he hasn't patented it.  Mailman 2.1 implements it.
> 
> It's a great idea, and I'd expect it has been implemented or
> is scheduled for implementation in the rest of the mailing 
> list softwares on the planet.

Glad to hear it. I agree that VERP is very helpful.

I don't think we have to worry about DJB patenting it. I was more
commenting on how some developers tend to stay away from it if developed
by DJB; others flock to it... but that could spark a long debate about
DJB's software, coding and distribution practices, which I do not intend
to do.

(Note: I currently use qmail and ezmlm. I intend to say neither good or
bad about him, his software or anything else with this e-mail.)

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[SAtalk] BAYES score in subject

[Pedro Sam]

Hi all,

Does anyone know how to put the BAYES score on the subject line?  Right now I 
have the following in my user_prefs file.

rewrite_subject 1
subject_tag [SA _HITS_ BAYES _BAYES_]

Thanks,
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Re: [SAtalk] SA 2.60 - idle spamd childs

[Matthias Fuhrmann]

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, David B Funk wrote:


[...]
> That does not sound right. I'm using sendmail+miltrassassin+spamd
> and spamd children always quit when done. In other words, when my
> system is not receiving any mail there is just one sendmail daemon
> the miltrassassin daemon and the parent spamd daemon.

thats my normal behavior too. but there are those scenarios as i described
above (seldom, but happens from time to time).


> Do the spamd children usually quit and only occasionaly get stuck
> or are they always getting stuck? (IE is it an intermittent problem?)

not allways. happens e.g , when we do a daily backup; then the i/o gets
very high for maybe a hour. if its of any interest, here our statistic of
latest syslog:

spamstats0.4b5.pl-fixed /var/log/syslog.0
File /var/log/syslog.0 : from Nov  9 03:15:25 to Nov 16 03:12:37
Total number of emails processed by the spam filter : 258070
Number of spams :154788 ( 59.98%)
Number of clean messages:103282 ( 40.02%)
Average message analysis time   :  7.95 seconds
Average spam analysis time  :  8.34 seconds
Average clean message analysis time :  7.37 seconds
Average message score   :  7.27
Average spam score  : 15.17
Average clean message score : -4.57
Total spam volume   :   321 Mbytes
Total clean volume  :   468 Mbytes

> Are you using Bayes? It it possible a locking problem?
> (IE children waiting on a lock to update the database).
> If so, be sure that you've got 'bayes_learn_to_journal' turned
> on, it helps to reduce locking contention problems.

bayes_learn_to_journal is and was on , at my config.

regards,
Matthias


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[SAtalk] Possible to not add any headers?

[Robert Nicholson]

In addition to SA I use a local baysien based filter and I'm wondering 
if having X-Spam-Flag: YES as a header in all messages will cause this 
local filter to not be able to correctly identify false positives set 
by SA.

Is it possible to simply possible to invoke is_spam() and in the 
process not actually
had added any headers whatsoever to the message?

I know that in my case I could simply save the original header and 
reconstruct the email using that header but I wanted to know if SA 
already has any setting that stops it adding it's X- header information 
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Re: [SAtalk] Off topic: Threads

[iltaraho]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:55:39 -0500, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 07:18 AM 11/12/03 -0500, Terry Milnes wrote:
> >Are the threads on this list screwed up by the list program, or is it just 
> >users replying to existing mail to create new?
> >
> >Just wondering, because it seems to be terribly messed up
> 
> That is a very common thing for people to do who don't use threading mail 
> readers... It's a lot easier to hit reply than it is to copy the list 
> address to a new message. Since many mail clients don't support threading, 
> many people have never even seen it, and thus don't realize it has any 
> impact at all.

This does seem to be the worst list I follow for threading errors in
general. Part of that is because this is also the most active list I
follow. More activity means more potential to errors (user or client).

Fortunately my email client has a thread manager that I can either join
un-threaded messages or cut the off topic ones. Even with this thread
manager sewing the messages of a thread back together is made difficult
by posters who do include the sender and date time stamp of the message
they are replying to. I hesitate to criticize these posters because many
of them are great contributors to the list.

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[SAtalk] Validate Sender Users

[Eduardo Alfonso]

Hi

I've been trying to configure SpamAssasin to check for the existence of the user on 
the local machine that is 
trying to send the message and I couldn't find how to do this.

Is it possible ??

Thanx

I'm using sendmail MTA in a RedHat9 box

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[SAtalk] RE: Chunks of legit text fooling Bayes

[Mike Loiterman]

 
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> same idiot, with just huge paragraphs of current news or giberish
> tacked on to the end of the message.  It's obviously fooling bayes,
> but is there anything we can do about this?

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[SAtalk] Problems moving from 2.5x to 2.6 ?????

[Mairhtin O'Feannag]

Hello,





I'm currently on version 2.53, and am going to install 2.6 on my machine this weekend.  It's a RH 8.0 machine.



My question/concern is ...  are there any known "gotcha's" in this move?  It's a production machine, so I have to be very careful.  Any forewarning you might give would be very much appreciated.



Also, will my local.cf be useless after the install?  It has a lot of tests that no longer show up 

in the "tests" page at SA.org.  I'm told the tests that are advertised at the website are for the current version, and when I search for things, I find nothing.  Will I have to find scoring by learning the methods the bastards are getting around, like I do now, but from scratch?  I've built up some 50 additional score increases over the past 3 months, in an effort to keep our clients happy.  It would be a shame to have to abandon all of them and find that I'm back to square one and they are deluged with spam again.



Any help is appreciated.



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