[Savannah-users] setting up a mercurial repository

[Jan Owoc]

Hi,

I want to set up a mercurial repository for my project (www-pl).

>From the admin interface I activated the feature "Mercurial" and
deactivated "CVS" (and all other revision control systems).

It has been a few hours and my group has not appeared on this page:
http://hg.savannah.gnu.org/hgweb/

nor can I do an "hg clone".

Do I need to do anything special to activate/initialize the repository?

Thank you,

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] hard to find a place to report bugs

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Ray,

 wrote:
EC> Just because software is licensed under the GPL there is no obligation
EC> to host your website, software, bug tracker or anything else at
EC> (non)gnu.org.  The two things are not connected.
EC>
EC> If you think you have found a bug in some software and want to report it
EC> follow the proper procedure of the community that made it.  Simple.

2010/7/8 Ray Wang :
RW> well, you are probably right, but I still believe having a centralized
RW> bug tracking system for gnu softwares would significantly ease the
RW> pain for end user report bugs. :-)

If you believe the bug tracking system built into Savannah to be
superior (if only because it is used by many other GNU packages) to
that currently used by GNUPG, you simply need to convince the package
maintainer(s) of your viewpoint.

Once you have a good letter prepared, you could send a copy to all GNU
packages that are not hosted on Savannah.

Those reading this mailing list are (likely) already hosting most of
their project on Savannah and agree with you.

Jan

[Savannah-users] CVS hooks on Savannah

[Jan Owoc]

Hi,

I'm the team leader for the gnu.org Polish translation team, and we
would like to implement cvs hooks on our Savannah CVS repository. Is
this possible?

I read that I would need to add certain files to CVSROOT. I can check
it out, and while it is empty, it exists:
http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/www-pl/CVSROOT/

but I do not have appear to have write access to it, despite being the
team leader:
cvs commit: ERROR: cannot write file
/cvsroot/www-pl/CVSROOT/commitinfo,v: Permission denied
cvs commit: ERROR: cannot write file
/cvsroot/www-pl/CVSROOT/loginfo,v: Permission denied
cvs commit: ERROR: cannot write file
/cvsroot/www-pl/CVSROOT/postCommit.sh,v: Permission denied
cvs commit: ERROR: cannot write file
/cvsroot/www-pl/CVSROOT/preCommit.sh,v: Permission denied
cvs commit: Rebuilding administrative file database
cvs [commit aborted]: cannot create temporary file .#10977: Permission denied

Does anyone know if I am doing this correctly, or do I need something
more/differently?

Specifically, we would like a bash script to run "msgfilter" on the
translation files before they are committed. Is there a
different/better way of doing this?

Cheers,

Jan

[Savannah-users] Re: CVS hooks on Savannah

[Jan Owoc]

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Yavor Doganov  wrote:
> Eric Noulard wrote:
>> If you switch to git repo, you may easilly implement client-side
>> hook
>
> Well, yes, client-side hooks are also possible with Arch, Bzr and
> Mercurial.  But I suspect that Jan is reluctant to switch to a dVCS,
> though, since that presumes more skills which some translators usually
> lack.
>
> Also, it's somewhat a nuisance to coordinate client-side hooks among
> contributors, especially if there are many of them.

Yavor is right, where client-side hooks are difficult to coordinate
between many translators, of whom many are basic computer users and
using basic cvs is already challenging. I'm not sure if server-side
cvs hooks would solve my problem, but they sounded promising.


My specific problem is that translators use different translation
programs (gtranslator, Poedit, Virtaal etc.) with each having
different conventions for maximum line length in po files. This made
tracing changes impossible - all lines appeared changed. I found that
running:
msgfilter -i file.po -o file.po cat
would consistently adjust the file to have the same line length, which
happens to be the same line length left by gnun when it processes the
files.

An alternative proposed by one team member is to have a computer check
for commits (for example, once per hour) and run the above command on
changed po files. We could then do a "cvs diff" on every second
revision.

How do the other translation teams get around this? Does the entire
team agree to use the same gettext editor?


Thanks,

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] unable to change password

[Jan Owoc]

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 8:22 AM, daly  wrote:
> I tried to login and the got a message that the password was reset.

Yes, Savannah was cracked and everyone needs to reset their password.


> No matter what password I typed, even using the suggestions I
> could not choose a password that the system would accept.

The new rules for password strength are very demanding. I'm not sure
what they are, but try a very long (12+ characters) password with two
of each upper/lower case, numbers and special characters.


> I tried to open a ticket but there is no way to do that it seems.

If you can't access your account, I'm not sure that you can open a
ticket. The various ways of doing so (for example, through e-mail) are
described on this page:
https://savannah.gnu.org/contact.php


Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] registration help

[Jan Owoc]

Hi,

2011/4/6 alessandro lanza :
> In this page
> http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-history.html
> there's below sentence
> "Richard Stallman made the Initial Announcement of the GNU Project in
> September 1983."
> Anyway, I tried with "In 1984" and the system answer the same sentence. :(

If I remember what I answered, the question is about the "initial
announcment", which was 1983, and not the "starting of work on GNU".


> "Please answer the antispam test! Bad passphrase (not enough different 
> characters or classes for this length)".

I think the problem is with the passphrase. A few months ago, the
rules for passphrases were made very demanding. You need to choose
something that is rather long, and contains letters and numbers and
special characters (I've seen reports that not even the sample
password meets all the requirements anymore).

I hope choosing a complicated password solves your problem.

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Gnu Make on Windows 2008 R2 64bit

[Jan Owoc]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Sri Raghu  wrote:
> I am trying in install gnumake 3.8.1 on Windows 2008 R2 64bit, I could not
> able to build the gnumake.exe.

Hi Sri,

The mailing lists to which you posted deal with issues with Savannah,
the software used to host various free software projects.

If you are having problems with a specific free software project, it
would be best to post to the mailing list specific to that project. In
the case of GNU Make, there are several mailing lists:

//=== FROM: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/ ===
Make has two mailing lists:  and .

The main discussion list is , and is used to discuss
most aspects of Make, including development and enhancement requests,
as well as bug reports.

There is a separate list for general user help and discussion,
.

GNU Make has been ported to a great many systems. One that poses
unique challenges is Microsoft DOS and Windows platforms; because of
that there is a GNU Make mailing list dedicated specifically to users
of those platforms: .

Announcements about Make and most other GNU software are made on
.
//=== --- ===

> Please advise...

I would advise trying either , the mailing list
dedicated to general user help and discussion, or the mailing list
dedicated to issues with Windows platforms: .

I hope this helps,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] How long to requests for projects usually take?

[Jan Owoc]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Paul Elliott
 wrote:
> I need to transfer my projects before  berlios closes, so I need to determine
> if it can be done in time. I can not go by the automated system, because
> according to it, review should already be complete even though it has not been
> assigned to anyone yet.

Normally projects are approved (or rejected) within a few days, but
because Savannah is volunteer-run, it will get done when a volunteer
has the time to do it :-).


> Should I be trying elsewhere? My 2 projects are free software.

Savannah should be a good home for your project if it is free
software, depends only on free software, and runs primarily on free
software operating systems.


> Where should I go?

I would suggest contacting the Savannah Hackers [1] with a question
about the status of your request, that you need either a "yes" or a
"no/more info needed".

[1] https://savannah.gnu.org/contact.php


Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Disable Mailing List Moderation

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Roman,

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Hut  wrote:
> Whenever someone posts to the mailing list who is not a registered user
> of the ML, I have to manually approve his post.  Can I disable this?
> I want everybody to be allowed to post on the mailing list, but I have
> found no way to do so.

Assuming your project uses mailman on gnu.org, I found this page has
the option you want:
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/admin//privacy/sender

The field you seek is probably:
"Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit
action is defined."

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] ssh public key rejected?

[Jan Owoc]

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Nicolas Bock  wrote:
> I am having some issues with getting ssh to work:
> I made sure my public rsa key is registered with savannah.

It may take some time before the key propagates to the appropriate
services. How long did you wait between submitting your key and trying
to ssh?


> $ git clone ssh://git.sv.gnu.org/srv/git/freeon.git
(...)
> However, the public key is denied. I am at a loss what could possibly be
> wrong here. Could someone help, please?

While I'm writing the mail, I will ask: did it work before (like
several weeks/months ago), or is this the first time you are trying a
clone?


Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] new project submissions disabled

[Jan Owoc]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Kaz Kylheku  wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:46:58 GMT, k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) wrote:
>> what's required?
>>
>> Applying the (stringent) Savannah requirements to new submissions:
>> https://savannah.gnu.org/register/requirements.php
>
> These are political requirements. Of course nobody is going to
> volunteer to spend time enforcing a bunch of nontechnical rules that allow
> junk projects to filter through, but reject a good project because
> someone dared to write Linux unprefixed with GNU/.

Each hosting site has its rules. The admins of Savannah have decided
that the project must meet certain requirements. Savannah is geared
toward projects that are free software and run on free software. Other
sites have other requirements.


> You're missing something analogous to the Wikipedia's "noteworthiness"
> standard.

I agree that quality free software is difficult to find among a
plethora of lesser free software. I was looking for a free replacement
for Skype and went through a half dozen candidates before giving up.
We do need some process of promoting good free software.


> A project should be worth hosting.  This means that it should have
> a stated goal or mission statement describing something nontrivial.
(...)
> Example: fails on account of being trivial:
>
>  "A program for the POSIX environment which reads the files
>  named on the command line and copies them to standard output,
>  or else reads standard input if no files are specified."

You are describing the program "cat". I know many feel cat is
unnecessary, but I wouldn't want to use an operating system without
it. If you found 3-4 implementations of "cat", you should approach the
developers and ask that they merge their efforts.


> Secondly, it should be in a reasonable state of completion of its
> stated goals. It should be able to produce something that users
> can download and execute, right from the day the project is
> created.

If I were writing a program, I would probably try to consult others
before writing anything. Setting up a project on Savannah is one way
of getting community input.

> Example: fails on account of incompleteness:
>
>  "An optimizing compiler for COBOL with object extensions."

Do you think that one person could write a working program fitting the
above description without any input? (Ok, one person could, but is
that what you would expect from every project founder?)


The problems you described are likely the same problems encountered by
most hosting sites. For every 1 great project, there are 10 average
projects and 1000 projects that are stuck in the "planning" stage. If
you could come up with a way of moving these 1000 projects to the
"release" stage (other than simply saying it doesn't exist), we'd have
100x the free software we do today.


Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Questions about new project

[Jan Owoc]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Karl Berry  wrote:
>     because I want a LGPL-like thing, with one restriction:
>     no derivatives.
>
> Such a restriction would make any license non-free,
> so we can't accept that.

I agree with Karl on all the points, but have something to add.

If you use (L)GPLv3, the license explicitly states that changing the
license text is not allowed (before the preamble). In addition, it
says that if there are any additional restrictions, they are to be
ignored (section 7).

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Where is the signup sheet?

[Jan Owoc]

Hi condor,

If you are looking for a specific Free Software project that you could
help out, there is a "help wanted" board:
http://savannah.gnu.org/people/

If you are looking to help develop the Savannah software itself (or
help with administrating it), you should get in touch with the
Savannah maintainers:
http://savannah.gnu.org/contact.php

Cheers,
Jan

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Joseph Pesco  wrote:
> Hi:
> How does one lend Savannah a hand?  (If this is a flamable question then 
> not to loud please.)  My location is NYC, and I go by "condor" as in from 
> "Three Days of the Condor."
>
> Yours truly,
> condor
>

Re: [Savannah-users] Some help

[Jan Owoc]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Francisco Magallanes Díaz
 wrote:
> Hi, I'm here because I want to learn about programing and hacking. I found
> this great page by accident, I was trying to find a FTP proxy server to
> allow some apps run properly. I'm really intrested on learning about this
> topic but I would like a "basic guid" or something because I consider my
> actual knowledges in a basic. I would really appreciate some help.
> Thank you.
>
> A T T E:
>
> Francisco Magallanes Díaz

Hi Francisco,

While most people on this mailing list know some programming and many
hack together programs, this is probably not the best mailing list to
learn about programming. Each project requires different skills, and
is likely to be in any of a dozen programming languages, so I would
suggest you first find a project you like, and then start learning the
specific skills.

If you would like to join a specific Free Software project that could
use help. A list of such projects can be found on this page:
http://savannah.gnu.org/people/?group=tasklist

Look for projects that are looking for a "developer", although it
might be easier to start as a tester or documentation writer. Visit
the project homepage, and when you find a project that interests you,
you can contact their developer mailing list with your offer of help.

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] usage of gmediarender

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Brad,

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Soho Soho123  wrote:
> I am new in gmediarender and gstreamer.

This is a general mailing list for users of Savannah, so 99+% of the
people on this list (including myself) haven't heard of gmediarender.

> I have question about:
> how to start gmediarender program?
> where I can see the usage?
> Should I setup a config file for gmediarender program?

The project homepage doesn't contain documentation, neither does the
source tarball (at least not as man pages). There is some
documentation in the source code itself, but that's probably not what
you were looking for.

You might want to do a general search of the Internet to see if
someone has setup GMediaRenderer to do something similar to what you
want it to do, and maybe explained what was configured.

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] cvs.sv.nongnu.org: Connection timed out

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Roman,

On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Roman Z.  wrote:
> That's what I get when I try to `cvs commit` my website on savannah.
> The project name is "ranger".
>
>  cvs commit: Examining .
>  cvs commit: Examining pydoc
>  cvs commit: Examining screenshots
>  cvs.savannah.nongnu.org: Connection timed out
>  cvs [commit aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)

Is the problem reproducible, in that if you try now (6h after your
original mail) do you get the same error message?

Are you able to access http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org/ via your web
browser (the server was migrated a few months ago, but maybe you have
old DNS settings in a hosts file)?

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] VCS transition request for erbot

[Jan Owoc]

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Vivek Dasmohapatra  wrote:
> Hi, I'm one of the admins for the erbot project on nongnu savannah:
> We'd like to move from CVS to Git, is this the right place to request
> that?
>
> My savannah username is 'fledermaus'.

This is the list of savannah-USERS, so most of the thousands of people
are unable to act on your request directly. However, this is the right
place to ask "how do I move my project from CVS to Git, as many of you
fellow users may have done something similar".

I haven't moved my project, but probably you need to enable Git
(sooner or later). Go to your project page, from the top menu select
"Main" "Select Features" and enable Git.

The next step is something that another fellow user may be able to
help you with, namely migrating the history over to the git repository
(simply moving the files would be trivial). A quick Internet search
finds cvs2git [1] and git-cvsimport [2], but I haven't used either so
I can't step you through it. A few pages I've randomly found recommend
the former over the latter [3] [4] but YMMV.

Jan

[1] http://cvs2svn.tigris.org/cvs2git.html
[2] http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/v1.5.6/git-cvsimport.html
[3] 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/881158/is-there-a-migration-tool-from-cvs-to-git
[4] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Git/Migrating_to_Git

Re: [Savannah-users] Lack of coordinator for Esperanto translation

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Sian,

I am the translation coordinator for the Polish translation team. Most
importantly, being a translation coordinator requires you to know and
agree with the philosophy of the GNU Project, and to know both English
and the language you wish to translate to (Esperanto). You can find
more details on the page:
http://www.gnu.org/server/standards/README.translations.html

Once you have read that page, and still want to be a translation
coordinator, you should contact web-translat...@gnu.org . We will want
some information from you and will give you instructions on getting
started.

Jan

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Sian Mountbatten
 wrote:
> From the page https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/www-eo, it appears that a
> new coordinator is needed.
> I'd like to propose myself for the post, but I want to know first what it
> entails. What would I do?
>
> --
> Sian Mountbatten
> Debian GNU/Linux sid user
>
>

Re: [Savannah-users] Help in Publishing a Repository

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Lorenzo,

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Lorenzo Isella  wrote:
> but this is what happens when I try to push
>
> $ hg push ssh://u...@hg.sv.gnu.org/project
> pushing to ssh://u...@hg.sv.gnu.org/project
> remote: Permission denied (publickey).
> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!

I don't know much about mercurial, but this error appears to be an
authentication error before hg has a chance to do anything.

Check your public key in Savannah.

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] helping with gimp documentation

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Josiane,

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Josiane Claesen
 wrote:
> I would like to help with the translation of the gimp documentation (English
> to Dutch).
> But I can not seem to find where I have to be.
> Who can help me please?

This mailing list is for help with the host site Savannah, but we may
be able to redirect you to the right place. If you go to the gimp
homepage and follow the links to "get involved", you will find this
readme for translators:
http://developer.gimp.org/README.i18n

>From what I read in that document (and a few other pages) it would be
best if you contacted the GNOME Dutch translation team, writing them
exactly what you wrote to this list:
http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/nl/

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] How to optain CVS - Concurrent Versions System

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Shirley,

You probably got to this mailing list via the "Contact Us" page:
http://savannah.nongnu.org/contact.php . On that page it says that
this list is for help with the Savannah hosting site in general, and
not with a specific project.

While some members of this list may have heard of (or use) CVS, a
better place to find this information is the CVS project page (linked
from Wikipedia):
http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/cvs

You may be able to get most of your answers from the project home
page. If you require more information than is on the project home
page, I suggest contacting the CVS-specific mailing list:
info-...@nongnu.org

Jan

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Shirley Simmons
 wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> How do I obtain CVS software and system requirement information. Please
> advise.
>
>
>
>
>
> ***
>
> Shirley Simmons
>
> SharePoint Data Modeler/Architech
>
> Office: 215-503-0995
>
>
>
>

Re: [Savannah-users] Encryption software submission

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Fabio,

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Fabio Gonzalez  wrote:
> The savannah has a warning encryption on page [1]. Not sure what that
> means. I am thinking of submitting free software that incorporates
> encryption. Can I do this without having to activate the export
> control or report anything?
>
> [1]:http://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/SavannahCryptographicRestrictions

I'm not a lawyer, but I can re-phrase what the page says.
A) savannah.gnu.org servers are in the USA
B) the USA has restrictions on what "weapons" can be exported, and
certain kinds of encryption are restricted
C) there is an exception to the export that if the object code is
bundled with publicly available source code, you are allowed to host
it on Savannah provided that you display the notice

If your software simply uses an existing library (eg. gpg), then your
software isn't cryptographic software. If you wrote your own version
of gpg, then the project homepage maybe should display that notice.

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] questions about AGPL, OpenJDK

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Simon,


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Simon Ley  wrote:
> If I put both client and server under it, wouldn't that mean that each
> client instance would have to offer its source code to the server if
> requested? I don't think it is appealing to the players if they are
> obliged to upload the whole client source data they are using,
> including images and sound. On the other hand, if I put the client
> under the GPL and the server under the AGPL, I would have to create
> two projects since I can only choose one licence per project. What
> should I do?

As a non-lawyer, I'm under the impression that the license covers
'code' - any images/sound the players create are not code, and do not
fall under the AGPL. I am not a lawyer, so if you have doubts, it
might be best to contact licens...@gnu.org.

On a personal note, if I wrote a MMOG, and users improved their client
software to communicate with my servers software, I'd be curious about
the code modifications. The AGPL would appear a perfect match.


> Furthermore, I have read about the Java trap and IcedTea. I develop
> and test my code with eclipse under Ubuntu 12.04.1, using
> java-6-openjdk-i386 as VM, and have installed the packages
> openjdk-6-jdk and openjdk-6-jre from the default Ubuntu repositories.
> The package description says "The packages are built using the IcedTea
> build support and patches from the IcedTea project". Can I be sure
> that my code fulfils the free software requirements?

OpenJDK, IcedTea, and Eclipse are free software, so these aren't a
problem. If you want to be 100% sure that your code runs on free
software, try developing, compiling and running it on a 100% free
distribution, such as Trisquel GNU/Linux (similar to Ubuntu). If all
the packages you need are in Trisquel's repositories, then you have no
non-free dependencies (just check the license on any additional Java
libraries you need to byte-compile or run).


Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] How to upload large file, slow connection

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Gerardo,

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Gerardo Ballabio
 wrote:
> Until now I did that following the instructions I was given, that is,
> connecting to dl.sv.nongnu.org by sftp. But now I have to upload also
> a larger file (about 17 MB) and at home I have only 56k modem
> connectivity. I've never managed to transfer a file of even a few MB
> without losing the connection during the process (when downloading,
> wget -c is my friend). I can use a faster connection at a public
> internet point, but there I'm restricted to use a browser (i.e., no
> sftp, only http).
>
> Can you suggest how I could upload?

I didn't know the answer a few minutes ago, so I looked:
"wput" -> does ftp including tls, but will not do scp :-(
"sftp" -> no explicit option to resume :-(
"scp" -> no explicit option to resume :-(

Next I looked on the Internet:
https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=resume%20scp

It appears people tend to recommend using rsync, like this:
rsync --partial --progress --rsh=ssh local_file
u...@dl.sv.nongnu.org:remote_file

I haven't tested the above line myself - post back whether it works.

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] How to upload large file, slow connection

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Kaz and Jordi,

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
 wrote:
> On 28 January 2013 03:26, Kaz Kylheku  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:04:52 +0100, Gerardo Ballabio
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I uploaded the file with the help of a friend who has a faster connection.
>>> If there's another way I'd still like to know though.
>>
>> Just use GIT. The CGIT web interface exports snapshots of your code as
>> tarballs.
>
> Or Mercurial, it also creates snapshots, e.g.:
>
> http://hg.savannah.gnu.org/hgweb/octave/archive/tip.tar.gz

OP was asking how to upload a tarball to his website on a slow,
unreliable connection. I don't see how the auto-snapshot feature of
either git or mercurial helps.

Is git and/or mercurial able to do a commit/push, have the commit/push
be disconnected, and then resume the single file partway through?

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] potentional memleak

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Alexander,

I'm happy you've found a memory leak, but this is the mailing list for
discussing problems with the Savannah software. The users of this list
are unlikely to be able to help.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 5:21 AM, Alexander Khryukin  wrote:
> 2013/2/13 Alexander Khryukin 
>> Few days ago i installed airtime + liquidsoap + icecast on latest Centos.
>> And trying to play video.
[...]
>> with liquidsoap but in htop i see memleaks.
>
> See in htop how memory leaks

Your memory leak is (I think) in airtime-liquidsoap (or possibly
IceCast). A better place to report this (after searching existing
bugs) might be the bug tracker of the relevant project, but I'm
unfamiliar with the project and don't know what the correct place to
report this would be.

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Contribute to www-nl

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Karim,

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:57 AM, i...@kar.im  wrote:
> I want to contribute to www-nl, but the module/folder (
> http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/?root=www-nl) doesn't exist. I also
> requested access to the group but haven't received anything back yet.

Every gnu.org translation team has its own process of keeping track of
and submitting translations. Some language teams use their www-lang
repositories extensively, while others not at all. The best person to
contact would be the team coordinator, Tom Uijldert [1] - he will know
best how you can contribute.

[1] https://savannah.gnu.org/project/memberlist.php?group=www-nl

Cheers,
Jan

[Savannah-users] mailing list moderation

[Jan Owoc]

Hi,

My Savannah project has three mailing lists, of which one is supposed
to be open to the public. The public-facing list, naturally, gets 5-15
spam messages a day. It also gets 1-2 "real" messages from the public
per year. I want to make sure that these ~2 messages actually make it
through to us.

I've already disabled listhelper, but I still sometimes notice that
messages that should be awaiting my moderation (according to the daily
summary email) are not in the moderation queue. Other than listhelper
(which I'm sure I've disabled), is there any other automatic mailing
list filtering I should know about/disable?

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] mailing list moderation

[Jan Owoc]

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Jan Owoc wrote:
>> My Savannah project has three mailing lists, of which one is supposed
>> to be open to the public. The public-facing list, naturally, gets 5-15
>> spam messages a day. It also gets 1-2 "real" messages from the public
>> per year. I want to make sure that these ~2 messages actually make it
>> through to us.
>>
>> I've already disabled listhelper, but I still sometimes notice that
>> messages that should be awaiting my moderation (according to the daily
>> summary email) are not in the moderation queue. Other than listhelper
>> (which I'm sure I've disabled), is there any other automatic mailing
>> list filtering I should know about/disable?
>
> What is the name of the mailing list?  So that one of us doesn't add
> listhelper back into it because it isn't there.

The name of the list is www-pl-trans.

Most (all?) legitimate messages are in Polish, so I'm concerned that
automatic filtering is doing something unexpected. Specifically, there
is someone who would like to join the group, so we asked them to
introduce themselves on that list, but the email never went through to
the daily moderation mail.

Thanks,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Savannah Cryptographic Restrictions

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Fabio,

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Fabio Gonzalez  wrote:
> Because the Source Forge ask to people report
> encryption software to the U.S government
> when Savannah just have a legal notice?

Are you referring to this page?
https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/SavannahCryptographicRestrictions

> I never saw a field to opt-in or opt-out
> about encryption on Savannah, but
> Source Forge have one.

I don't live in the US, so I'm not familiar with the details of what
needs to be reported and to whom. Based on your understanding of what
you have read on the BIS website, do you feel the projects should need
to explicitly opt-in or opt-out?

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] password must be more complicated

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Bob,

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Setting match=0 seems to help with the "dictionary" issue.
>
>   $ echo ohtaOe0h | pwqcheck -1 match=0 max=256 min=disabled,24,11,8,7
>   OK
>
>   $ echo uChiel9m | pwqcheck -1 match=0 max=256 min=disabled,24,11,8,7
>   OK
>
[...]
>
> Does anyone see why the results are so crazy using pwqcheck?  Is this
> problem causing users grief?  Or a different problem?

I can confirm that the previous settings in Savannah (haven't checked
now) would not allow a few completely random passwords because they
were apparently based on dictionary words. It was immensely
frustrating (as a user) to be first told that none of my common
passwords pass, then turn to a password generator and be told that a
password looking like "ohtaOe0huChiel9m" is based on a dictionary
word. I think it took me 3 tries to generate something that would be
acceptable (longer passwords are more likely to have a 4-character
sub-string that is apparently based on a dictionary word).

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] password must be more complicated

[Jan Owoc]

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Luiji Maryo  wrote:
> Behold my ultimate password generator in Python:
>
> import random, string
> p = ""
> for i in range(0, 20): p += random.choice(string.printable)
> print p # print(p) in python 3
>
> That works like a charm on virtually everything I've ever wanted a secure
> password on, including Savannah.

We're digressing a bit here, but I don't believe you actually tried
the above more than a few times. Just because a character is printable
doesn't mean you can find it on a keyboard.

>>> string.printable
'0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!"#$%&\'()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\\]^_`{|}~
\t\n\r\x0b\x0c'

Good luck with a password consisting of a vertical tab, form-feed and
carriage return :-).

Jan

P.S. The dollar symbol isn't on all keyboards, so I'd also remove it
from the list of acceptable characters.

Re: [Savannah-users] password must be more complicated

[Jan Owoc]

On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
>> It is one of the problems, for sure.  Users put together 3 different
>> classes in their 8 chars (already a big pain), it fails, and since the
>> feedback as to why it fails is not specific, they just iterate randomly
>> and find one that works.  Very frustrating.  I've been frustrated by it
>> myself.
>
> Yes.  Let's fix this then.
>
>> Is there a way to get pwqcheck to report more specifically why a pw is
>> bad?
>
> It is actually telling us what it thinks is wrong.  But as far as I
> can tell that is just incorrect.  So we toss it out thinking that it
> isn't really telling us the right thing.  Because it isn't.

I've seen a handful of websites offering a JavaScript-based password
quality checker. The website states something like "you must have a
quality of 40 for me to accept the password", and then the user types
characters, numbers, symbols, etc., until the quality meter hits at
least 40 (of 100). I sometimes dislike that a clever password I've
invented only gets 38, but I get instant feedback, rather than waiting
for the page to reload.

I found one that is GPLv3 [1], so we might be able to adapt it to our
needs. The important thing though, is that if the JavaScript strength
meter says a password is "good", the same algorithm on the server
should accept the password.

[1] http://www.passwordmeter.com/

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] password must be more complicated

[Jan Owoc]

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Jan Owoc wrote:
>> I've seen a handful of websites offering a JavaScript-based password
>> quality checker. The website states something like "you must have a
>> quality of 40 for me to accept the password", and then the user types
>> characters, numbers, symbols, etc., until the quality meter hits at
>> least 40 (of 100). I sometimes dislike that a clever password I've
>> invented only gets 38, but I get instant feedback, rather than waiting
>> for the page to reload.
>
>> [1]  http://www.passwordmeter.com/
>
> That is pretty cute.  I don't like the deductions section where it
> deducts points for repeated letters so much because I think it belies
> the understanding that random values will have clusters.  But of
> course that could be adjusted.  (Think of flipping a coin.  If you
> could never repeat the previous value then obviously it won't be a
> very random series.  Same concept here.)

I didn't mean to say that this (randomly found) password checker is
perfect. Until this thread surfaced, I didn't know that a program like
pwqcheck existed, let alone what the phrase "pwqcheck options are:
'match=0 max=256 min=24,24,11,8,7' " meant. I wanted to point out that
a large portion of websites that require users to generate passwords
either:

A) have rules written out in human-readable form on what is an
acceptable password (eg. have all 4 of these character classes AND be
7 characters long, or have 3 of 3 character classes AND be 8
characters long, or be at least 24 characters long); the user can then
count the characters in the password they've invented or generated,
and know if it would pass

B) have some sort of JavaScript-based instant-feedback whether the
password is "poor", "acceptable", or "strong", with the minimum that
the site accepts being "acceptable"; the user instantly knows if the
password will be accepted without having to refresh the page

I think implementing "A" is much simpler than "B". Could we convert
the phrase "min=24,24,11,8,7" into text that would be understandable
to the average user of Savannah?


> It is Javascript but it is only there to provide immediate feedback to
> the user.  Any real security must exist on the server.  And so would
> still work just fine if Javascfript is turned off or unavailable such
> as in lynx, w3m, and so forth.

Yes, I meant to suggest the JavaScript in addition to the server-side
checks, as "instant feedback" to the user. It's just that the
JavaScript, assuming it runs properly, should accept/reject the same
passwords that the server would then accept/reject.


Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Mailing list discarding random messages

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Marin,

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:42 AM, Marin Rameša  wrote:
> I'm using a mailing list www-hr-li...@gnu.org for the group www-hr. The
> problem is that the mailing list is discarding random messages (I
> did not find a pattern explaining how this is done). I removed the size
> limit and tried all sorts of configuration combinations, but the group
> members still don't receive all of the messages, and not all messages
> are archived, just some of them.

I don't have solid proof, but I suspect something similar is happening
to the www-pl-trans list. Someone claimed they sent an email to the
list, but it doesn't appear in the moderation queue, as if it were
discarded somewhere before.

> At first I thought it's a bug, but then again, other groups are using
> mailing lists with no problems. So, it must be a configuration issue.

I don't have solid proof that someone actually sent the email, or that
they actually sent it to the correct list, etc., so I haven't pressed
it as a problem. Do you have a specific email (time, sender, subject)
that you can verify was sent to your list, but you know did not get
properly delivered? Maybe the mailing list admins can look through the
filters to see where it went...

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] TeXmacs on computers Windows 8, 7 and Vista x64

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Chedover,

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:10 AM, B  wrote:
> I've installed Your application TeXmacs 1.0.7.19 on computers Windows 8, 7
> and Vista
> x64 and installed it but when you start to fall, and on Windows 7 and Vista
> x86 operating normally. For me it is very important that this program works
> on Windows x64, Can you please tell how to do it.

This is a general mailing list for users of the project hosting
platform "Savannah". If you need help with a specific project, you
need to find the mailing list for that specific project (as 99+% of
the users on this list are unlikely to be familiar with any specific
project).

A quick Internet search shows that the best place to send your
question might be  [1]. It appears you may
need to subscribe first.

[1] http://www.texmacs.org/tmweb/contact/contact.en.html

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] file size and traffic limits?

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Adrelanos,

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM, adrelanos  wrote:
>
> What is maximum allowed file size savannah non-gnu?
>
> How much traffic can you handle?
>
> Next Whonix version has ~3 GB file size and the current version has
> ~1000 downloads per week and who knows how many people will try it out
> when next version is announced. It is still hosted on sourceforge and
> before I upload it to savannah, I wanted to ask if you can handle the load.

I'm not a Savannah admin. I recall there being source DVDs for
GNU/Linux distros that were larger than 3GB, so the file size is
likely not a problem. The additional 3TB/week of traffic may (maybe a
Savannah admin can let you know).

Would it be possible to make a torrent file of the release, and
promote the torrent as the preferred download method? For downloads
more than about 100MB I personally always pick the torrent because
it's resistant to dropped connections or silent corruption.

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Abaqus

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Jerry,

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Jerry Ochola  wrote:
>
> I am doing a project on modeling using ABAQUS and have generated models
> using pyformex and wish to export them to ABAQUS /CAE. Please assist with
> the procedure to get my models to ABAQUS.

You've reached the mailing list for help with the project hosting site
Savannah. Most people on this list have never heard of pyformex, so
you might get more/better responses elsewhere.

If you have searched through the pyFormex Documentation [1] and still
have questions, it looks like they are addressed using the "Support
tracker" [2]. You may need to create an account before posting to the
Support tracker.

[1] http://www.nongnu.org/pyformex/doc/index.html
[2] http://www.nongnu.org/pyformex/support.html

Hope this helps,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Registering username

[Jan Owoc]

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Zoran Plesivčak wrote:
>> I appreciate your reply. I checked my spam folder before and haven't seen
>> confirmation mail that ended there because it's title was "INVALID.NOREPLY"
>> and I thought it was genuine spam :) .
>
> Is that how those are addressed!  I personally always find messages
> like that annoying.  I think there is always a better place to set the
> reply address to rather than those "noreply" types of things.  I think
> I can improve that part at least.

I can confirm what Zoran wrote, that all email I get from Savannah
(notices about people joining/quitting projects, updated SSH keys,
etc.) gets sent from "INVALID.NOREPLY". I understand the need for an
invalid address (some people might want to reply "thanks for the
heads-up!"), but having the keyword "savannah" in the from field would
be an improvement. How about "Savannah do-not-reply"
 ?

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] ac bug? ac -f /var/log/wtmp.1 resulting in ac: Possible overflow of time_t! Can't continue.

[Jan Owoc]

On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Nestor Urquiza wrote:
>> We got an alert like the below:
>>
>> {{{
>> Cron  test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts
>> --report /etc/cron.monthly )
>> /etc/cron.monthly/acct:
>> ac: Possible overflow of time_t!  Can't continue.
>> }}}
>
[...]
>
> What is "ac"?  If you give us a hint about what "ac" might be then I
> could probably give back a hint as to where to ask questions about
> it.  I searched Savannah's list of hosted projects and I see nothing
> called "ac" there.

I tried looking through the apt-cache of Trisquel, and there are three
occurences of "ac". One is part of the GNU Accounting Utilities
package, and the other two are part of ACPI. Based on the command
usage, I'm guessing it's the former.

As Bob mentioned, this Savannah mailing list is too general to answer
your question. You could try posting to one of the GNU Accounting
Utilities mailing lists. The project homepage is [1]. They should be
able to help you better.

[1] http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/acct/

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] savannah.gnu.org certificate expired?

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Paul

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Paul Smith  wrote:
>
> I'm getting a warning from my browser saying that the savannah.gnu.org
> HTTPS certificate has expired.

I can confirm that my browser (Firefox) also thinks the certificate
expired about 6 hours ago. Does anyone know if it's the Savannah
Hackers or the FSF Sysadmins who would be responsible for generating a
new certificate?

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] porting lwIP to a new platform

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Jyrki,

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Jyrki Saarinen
 wrote:
> I'm building a new embedded system with ethernet (Raspberry PI mode
> B). RPI has an ARM CPU. What does it take to port lwIP to this new
> platform.

You've reached the general help mailing list for Savannah (the project
hosting site itself). We don't know much about specific projects here.

If you are looking for help on a specific project, for example IwIP,
it is best to look at the project's homepage [1]. Specifically, this
project appears to have a development mailing list [2], where someone
should be able to answer your question.

[1] http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/lwip/
[2] http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=lwip

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Can't access public.p-knowledge.co.jp from South Korea.

[Jan Owoc]

Hi,

On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Jin Gyeong Jeong
 wrote:
>
> I'm trying to download freetype module, but has failed.
> I think it has been for a long time in South Korea.
>
[...]
>
> --2014-08-29 16:46:45--
> http://public.p-knowledge.co.jp/Savannah-nongnu-mirror//freetype/freetype-2.4.11.tar.bz2
> Resolving public.p-knowledge.co.jp (public.p-knowledge.co.jp)...
> 116.58.185.5
> Connecting to public.p-knowledge.co.jp
> (public.p-knowledge.co.jp)|116.58.185.5|:80... failed: Connection timed out.
> Retrying.

It looks like the mirror was down, but is working now (at least from
Canada). You can check the status of Savannah mirrors [1] and pick one
that is currently working.

[1] http://download.savannah.gnu.org/mirmon/allgnu/

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] accessing git.sv machine

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Phil,

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Phillip Lord
 wrote:
>
> AFAICT, I do ssh-agent set up correctly, I've added my RSA key to it,
> and I've added the public key to savannah. In fact, I have managed to
> get this working from another machine to savannah, with the same RSA
> key, over a different network. Running ssh -v suggests that the RSA key
> is being offered.
>
> I'm struggling to think of other things to test client side. Does anyone
> have any ideas what else I could try?

Could you run "ssh -v" on each of the working and non-working machines
and compare the output?

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] public mailing list

[Jan Owoc]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Pablo Angulo  wrote:
> El 25/09/15 a las 14:22, Assaf Gordon escribió:
>> On 09/24/2015 12:25 PM, Pablo Angulo wrote:
>>> I created a mailing list a year ago or so. I thought it was private, and
>>> it is configured as such in the mailing list page for the project. But
>>> we just found it is available on a public archive, and google-indexed.
>>>
>>
>> Can you point me to the list in question ?
>> We could then try and troubleshoot.
>
> https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/karakolas-delegadas/
> 
> https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/karakolas-equipo-gestor/
>
> Both these lists should be private.

They are "private", in that they aren't advertised here:
https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/

If you go to the admin page, you can choose whether to advertise or not:
https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/admin/karakolas-delegadas/privacy

However, the help text notes "See also the Archival Options section
for separate archive-related privacy settings."
https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/admin/karakolas-delegadas/archive

It's the latter page where you can select whether or not an archive
should exist, and whether or not the archive should be made private.

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Connection problems within VM

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Siebren,

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Siebren Vroegindeweij
 wrote:
>
> I am
> using lwIP(version 1.4.1) in a to Windows ported FreeRTOS(version 8.1.2) which
> runs on a Windows 8.1 virtual machine. The virtual machine uses NAT to get an
> IP address.
>
[...]
>
> I am
> rather new to lwIP and this mailing list, so please have patience with me.

This mailing list is for comments/questions about the hosting site
Savannah itself, that hosts thousands of various free software
projects. We do not know much about specific projects on this list, so
are unable to be of much help.

However, this is the project homepage for lwIP:
http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/lwip/

If you look under communication tools, you will see that the lwIP
project has 3 public mailing lists:
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=lwip

I would try contacting the third one, lwip-us...@nongnu.org.

Jan

[Savannah-users] moderator requests from mailman

[Jan Owoc]

Hi,

I'm the list administrator for a couple of mailing lists associated
with the project www-pl. One of them is a public mailing list, so I
usually get an email every morning asking to accept/discard the daily
batch of spam.

However, the last such notification was sent on April 7th. When I
logged in to the admin interface today, there are dozens of pending
emails from the last 10 days.

I don't recall changing any settings related to the mailing list on my
end. Were there any system-wide changes to mailman that may have
affected the notification settings? The specific mailing list in
question is www-pl-trans.

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] moderator requests from mailman

[Jan Owoc]

Thank you, Karl.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Karl Berry  wrote:
>
> Were there any system-wide changes to mailman that may have
> affected the notification settings?
>
> A new version of mailman was installed by FSF sysadmin on that date
> (April 7).  I don't think the notifications messages were changed
> intentionally.  Can you please write them (sysad...@fsf.org) and ask?

I wrote to them over two weeks ago and haven't yet gotten a reply. Do
you know what the typical turnaround time is for non-urgent requests?
I know that it's likely staffed by volunteers, but I'd like to know if
I should keep waiting.

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] moderator requests from mailman

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Karl,

On May 8, 2016 12:25, "Karl Berry"  wrote:
>
> > Were there any system-wide changes to mailman that may have
> > affected the notification settings?
>
> Hi Jan - those daily notifications are sent out by a cron job, and I see
> the usual cron entry is present on lists.gnu.org. /etc/cron.d/mailman
> contains:
>
> 0 8 * * * list [ -x /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs ] &&
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>
> and that file exists, and is from the recent installation:
>
> lists$ ls -l /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 list list 7088 Apr  7 13:25 /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>
> We (Savannah volunteers) are able to log in as user list on
> lists.gnu.org, so I tried it running it by hand, and there was no output
> and no errors.  Unfortunately it also completed instantly, which did not
> seem plausible.
>
> So, looking further, there are two installations of the recent mailman.
> One is the /usr/lib/mailman above.  The other is
>   /spool/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> I tried running that, and it did not return instantly,
> so maybe it actually sent something out.  Did you get a notification
> just now, perchance?

Yes, I got notifications about 5 minutes before your email. So it looks
like the latter cron job is what should be running.

Could you make the change or notify the FSF sysadmins, as I'm not too sure
what exactly I should be asking for :-).

Thanks for looking into this so far,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] moderator requests from mailman

[Jan Owoc]

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Karl Berry  wrote:
>
> I wrote to them over two weeks ago and haven't yet gotten a reply. Do
> you know what the typical turnaround time is for non-urgent requests?
>
> In my experience, there is no "typical" time.  Sometimes they reply
> right away, sometimes they don't get around to replying without
> additional pinging.

The issue appears to have been resolved around June 2nd. Starting on
June 3rd, I have been getting the daily messages from Mailman. I still
haven't gotten a reply from them so I don't know if there was a
specific fix they did or whether other hardware/software upgrades
magically resolved the issue.

Thank you, Karl, for your troubleshooting.

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] promote linuxfund

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Joel,

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Joël Krähemann  wrote:
>
> I have got promised a small donation from linuxfund and want to
> promote it on http://nongnu.org/gsequencer/index.html with a badge or
> banner.
>
> Since I read there is no advertising allowed I really want to be sure
> what goes into that policy.
>
> http://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/NoAdvertising/

If you put a badge or banner on your site to an external site, that
might be considered advertising. I'm not a Savannah administrator,
just another Savannah user, but I can explain how I would interpret
that page. There appear to be two reasons advertising isn't present on
Savannah.

1) You need to ensure that the advertised/linked page(s) do not
advertise competing products, i.e. software that isn't hosted on
Savannah but does similar things, and that any linked software is
free/libre.

2) You need to figure out how to feed potential revenue back to
Savannah (you are getting free hosting here, and many volunteers put
in hundreds of hours a year to keep it running).

I can see how many free software projects can benefit from having a
relationship with an organization that provides paid consulting
services and would like to give back. It would make sense to list
these patrons on a sub-page of the project, much like the FSF does
(note: this isn't the main FSF homepage - one needs to look for the
list of patrons, which includes ones making/distributing proprietary
software):
https://www.fsf.org/patrons


Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] How to join/contribute to existing open project?

[Jan Owoc]

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:20 AM, D.P.Pandya  wrote:
> I'm in touch with Philosophy of GNU project for two years and want to (or say 
> can) help/contribute to the following project:
>
> https://savannah.gnu.org/people/viewjob.php?group_id=1533&job_id=655
>
> How do I join that group/project and start contributing?

The project you've offered to help is the GNU Web Translation
Coordination project. It is an umbrella project that coordinates the
efforts of the various language translation teams for articles on
gnu.org (I'm the coordinator of the Polish language translation).

I will forward your inquiry to Ineiev, the project manager and he will
contact you with details. In the meantime, there exists a manual
explaining the software we use to maintain the translations:
http://www.gnu.org/software/trans-coord/manual/web-trans/

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] what are the usefulness criteria for submitted code?

[Jan Owoc]

Hi John,


I am the administrator of one of the Savannah packages, and not a
Savannah administrator. My opinion is only worth as much as any other
user's.


On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 10:43 AM, john smith  wrote:
> I am not at all against discussing my submission, which is linked upthread,
> but for now I want to concentrate on one a single aspect of it, and it's
> not the code. In my view, and by the admission of the reviewer,
> https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?14370 is an example of a submission being
> held up and not accepted based solely on personal and subjective opinions
> of the reviewer. With my inquiry here I am only trying to figure out
> whether Savannah project demands, allows, or abides by
> filtering/censoring/rejecting projects based solely on subjective opinions
> of its members (Savannah hackers). If yes, what is the goal for such
> practice? If no, does the Savannah project expressly forbid such practice
> internally?

The minimum criteria for a project to be accepted is listed here, and
it appears your project might meet them:
http://savannah.gnu.org/register/requirements.php

Criteria to become GNU Software are much more stringent, though
technically a set of free scripts (if documented) appear to meet the
criteria:
http://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html


The servers that run the Savannah hosting are run by volunteers and
paid for by donations. It's impossible for Savannah to host every
project, so I can see why the Savannah hackers would want to apply
some subjective criteria to help focus the limited resources.

Your options at this point are either to wait for another Savannah
hacker to agree with you and overrule ineiev, or to make improvements
to your code to make it more general-purpose and applicable to a wider
audience.


Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Checkout Weibpages

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Christopher,

On Jan 24, 2018 15:56, "Christopher Dimech"  wrote:

I want to checkout my webpages using

cvs -z3 -d:ext:darayav...@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/web/gbehistun co gbehistun

It asks me for a password, I put the same one I use for logging on
savannah.gnu.org
but it is reporting `Permission denied, please try again'.


The password it's asking for is to unlock your ssh private key. You
apparently set one when you ran ssh keygen. It's separate from the Savannah
website password.

If you forgot that password but remember your Savannah one, you can always
generate a new pair of ssh keys and replace your public one on Savannah.

Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] (no subject)

[Jan Owoc]

Hello Gobi,

You have reached Savannah Users but I think you meant to write to the
tinycc-devel mailing list instead.

> I need help to install TCC and how to use it. I have many
> difficulties to use that. I need help, please.

We are the users of Savannah.  The software forge for free software.
But I think you want to contact the Tiny C Compiler project
developers. Please write to them directly.  Here is a link to their
mailing list.

  https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/tinycc-devel

That is all that most users of this mailing list know. More general
information can be found on their web page.

  https://bellard.org/tcc/

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Unable to upload release tarball to Download Area

[Jan Owoc]

Hello Ahser, and welcome to Savannah.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 6:55 AM Asher Gordon  wrote:
>
> I'm very new to Savannah, and I recently added a new project, c2py 
> https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/c2py. I'm trying to upload a release 
> tarball to the Download Area, but it is not working. The "Download Area" link 
> on the project page links to https://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=c2py 
> which redirects to https://download.savannah.nongnu.org/releases/c2py/ but 
> that page is a 404.
>

If you go up a directory, you can see a list of projects that have
folders, and c2py isn't on the list. It looks like you need to make
that folder first, or ask a Savannah admin to do it for you.

>   scp c2py-0.0.1rc5.tar.gz{,.sig} asd...@dl.sv.nongnu.org:/releases/c2py/
>   Enter passphrase for key '/home/asher/.ssh/id_rsa':
>   scp: /releases/c2py/: No such file or directory

The fact that you are getting the latter message means that everything
is correctly set up with your SSH keys. Otherwise, the error would be
something like "authentication failed".

>From reading the scp documentation, it looks like you cannot copy
files into a directory that doesn't exist. However, you can copy an
entire directory over if it exists locally. Try to make a local folder
named "c2py", put the files that you want copied over into that
folder, and try the command:

scp c2py asd...@dl.sv.nongnu.org:/releases/c2py

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] Unable to upload release tarball to Download Area

[Jan Owoc]

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:35 AM Jan Owoc  wrote:
>
> [...] and try the command:
>
> scp c2py asd...@dl.sv.nongnu.org:/releases/c2py

Sorry. You want to recursively copy the directory and the files in it,
so you need a "-r" flag in there:
scp -r c2py asd...@dl.sv.nongnu.org:/releases/c2py

Re: [Savannah-users] how does make decide if a binary is 'up to date'

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Chris,

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 2:48 PM  wrote:
>
> I dont know if this is the right place to ask: How exactly does make
> decide if a binary is 'up to date'?

This is a mailing list for users of the software development site,
Savannah. We don't generally know much about individual software
projects.

The GNU Make project has 3 mailing lists, with help-make being the one
most likely able to answer your questions:
https://savannah.gnu.org/mail/?group=make

I believe GNU Make uses file timestamps to determine if a binary is up
to date, but the users on that mailing list are likely to know for
sure.

Cheers,
Jan

Re: [Savannah-users] TLS Version

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Sebastien,

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 6:34 AM Sebastien Berthiaume
 wrote:
>
> I browsed a lot through the site and the code, but I can't find out the TLS
> version LWIP is supporting?

You've reached the Savannah users mailing list. Savannah is the
hosting site for many free software projects, and most of us on this
list don't know much about any specific project hosted on the site.

The project you are looking for, lwIP, has 3 public mailing lists:
https://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=lwip

If you re-send your message to the public mailing list lwip-users,
someone should be able to help you.

Cheers,
Jan

Re: How to deal with mailing list hit by spammers

[Jan Owoc]

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 9:53 AM Gerardo Ballabio
 wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I'm the administrator of a project hosted on Savannah (galois). As
> such I'm also administrator of its mailing list (galois-list).
> Recently the list seems to have become a target for spammers.

I'm the admin of www-pl-trans. The list has always had a couple of
spam emails a day, but a couple of weeks ago the amount has increased
about 10x.


> However, being a list administrator, for every single spam message
> posted to the list, I receive a notification message like this on my
> personal email address:

This is an option in mailman. I've elected to receive only one email
per day with a list of the 20-ish pending moderation requests. I think
the option you are looking for is "admin_immed_notify".
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/admin/galois-list/?VARHELP=general/admin_immed_notify

You want to set it to "No", so you only get a daily "digest" email of
all the pending requests.


> Is there a way to stop that "indirect spam"?

I'm a user, just like you. If any administrator is reading this, are
we able to auto-discard if messages have a high enough spam score?
There is already a spam score assigned to these messages in the
headers.

Jan

Re: IdleAccounts

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Thomas,


On Wed, May 27, 2020, 16:36 Thomas De Contes,  wrote:

> Hi :-)
>
>
> I'm a member of this project :
> https://savannah.nongnu.org/project/memberlist.php?group=rapid
> but i don't have a lot of time to code
>
>
> https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/IdleAccounts/
>
> Is it considered as "actually join any group" ?
> Or, if I do nothing while 1 month (for example), Am I at risk of having my
> account removed ?


That page outlines two cases:
1) accounts that do not activate at all;
2) accounts that do not contribute at all (or only contribute spam).

If you made at least one legitimate comment or commit, it doesn't matter
(according to those rules) how long you are then inactive. At times I've
had years between activity.

Jan

Re: ViewVC Exception

[Jan Owoc]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 12:44 PM Thomas De Contes  wrote:
>
> Is there a problem on the server today ?
>
>
> http://svn.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/rapid/trunk/gtk_peer/?pathrev=3
> http://svn.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/rapid/tags/rapid-3.01/jvm_peer/?limit_changes=0&pathrev=2

Both of those URLs work for me as of right now. It's possible there
was an intermittent issue.

Are you still having issues?

Jan

Re: Qt?

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Cole,

On Sun., Jan. 31, 2021, 14:10 Cole Johnson, 
wrote:

> Is Qt  considered non-free? Because it is available
> under the LGPL 3, but their terms seem to require a project that makes
> any money must use their paid tier.


My understanding is that Qt uses dual licensing. If your project is able to
comply with the LGPL terms, you can use the "free" tier. If you're making a
proprietary program, require support, you'd need to pay to license Qt.

https://www.qt.io/faq/2.5.-why-and-when-do-i-need-a-license

Jan

Re: Can no longer login to savannah.

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Carlo,



On Sun., Mar. 21, 2021, 03:06 Carlo Wood,  wrote:

> As maintainer of GNU which I used to have
> an account on ca...@savannah.gnu.org
>
> In my ~/.ssh/config I find:
>
> Host cvs.savannah.gnu.org which
> ConnectionAttempts 3
> HostName cvs.savannah.gnu.org
> ForwardX11 no
> IdentityFile ~/.ssh/subversions_dsa
> User carlo
>
> which I used for CVS repository access.
>
> However, now 'ssh ca...@savannah.gnu.org' asks
> for my password and refuses the one that I had
> used (Permission denied).
>
> Same for CVS access.
>

The first thing I would try is to generate new RSA keys, and paste your new
public key into Savannah (you can keep up to 4 keys). I know DSA keys are
now discouraged, and it's possible that an old DSA key is being blocked.

I would check CVS access specifically, as SSH might have additional
requirements for access.

Jan

>

Re: Can no longer login to savannah.

[Jan Owoc]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:14 AM Carlo Wood  wrote:
>
> Now to figure out how to convert the repository to git :/

I would try these instructions first (see the section "Importing from CVS"):
https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/UsingGit/

If the instructions don't work, please let this mailing list know, as
I plan to also migrate the www-pl-trans project from CVS to Git
sometime this year.

Re: LwIP forum

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Eduardo,

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 7:24 PM Eduardo Goncalves
 wrote:
>
> I wonder if you could advice regarding a forum about LwIP technical issues.
> I'm getting a large output file on a LwIP project and I would need to find 
> how to make the binary file smaller by changing build options.

This is the mailing list for Savannah, the hosting site. There are
hundreds of projects hosted here, and most users on this mailing list
don't know much about any specific project hosted on the site.

It looks like you are looking for help with the lwIP project, which
has 3 mailing lists:
https://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=lwip

I suggest you ask your question on the lwip-users mailing list - they
are much more knowledgeable about the software and might be able to
help you.

Kind regards,
Jan

Re: forgot password or misconfiguration

[Jan Owoc]

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:12 AM Heinz-Josef Claes  wrote:
>
> seems something with my gpg configuration is wrong. When trying to
> upload a new version, I get an error message:
>
> $ scp storeBackup-3.5.1.tar.bz2
> hjcl...@dl.sv.nongnu.org:/releases/storebackup
> hjcl...@dl.sv.nongnu.org's password:
> Permission denied, please try again.
>
> What do I have to do to make it work again? (Last working upload was at
> April 2014. I have a backup from Jan. 2014. Can I restore something from
> my old backup to the actual gpg data/config?)

Savannah keeps a copy of your "public" key, and expects you to have
the "private" half in your .ssh folder. You can use gpg to generate a
new keypair.

Option 1) If you want to debug why it doesn't work, try repeating the
command with the "-v" option. I don't know if scp supports a double
"-vv" for even more verbosity. That will provide information about
which keys were exchanged etc. You can try:
ssh -vvv hjcl...@dl.sv.nongnu.org

Option 2) If you don't care too much about why it's not working today,
but suspect a missing keypair, then you can generate a new keypair and
upload the public key as described here:
https://savannah.nongnu.org/maintenance/SshAccess/

Kind regards,
Jan

Re: forgot password or misconfiguration

[Jan Owoc]

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 12:51 PM Andreas Schwab  wrote:
>
> On Mai 03 2021, Jan Owoc wrote:
>
> > Savannah keeps a copy of your "public" key, and expects you to have
> > the "private" half in your .ssh folder. You can use gpg to generate a
> > new keypair.
>
> gpg has nothing to do with ssh.

Neither of us is strictly correct.

I misspoke, because ssh-keygen is not part of gpg, so the correct text
would be "You can use ssh-keygen to generate a new keypair, and do not
need gpg."

At the same time, gpg can interact with ssh, for example using
gpg-agent to keep track of ssh keys. It would be more correct for you
to say something like "you can use ssh with or without gpg".

Re: Savannah-users Digest, Vol 177, Issue 1

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Dj,

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 12:32, dj Stolen  wrote:
>
> actually those games marked above as "unlicensed" are licensed with
> "Unlicensed"
> https://choosealicense.com/licenses/unlicense/

"The Unlicense" is listed as a Free Software license:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#Unlicense

I think many readers of this list misunderstood you as saying "the
software does not have any license information".

The current requirements for hosting on Savannah are available, and
require that the license be GPLv3-compatible:
https://savannah.nongnu.org/register/requirements.php

If you think the software meets all the requirements, then you can
register a project for it using the menu on the right:
https://savannah.nongnu.org/register/

Jan
a random Savannah user

Re: how to contribute with a PR

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Cédric,

On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 at 07:28, Cédric Martínez Campos
 wrote:
>
> Is it possible to contribute with a pull-request on Savannah repositories?
> If yes, how? I am interested, in particular, to contribute with language
> quotation styles in AUCTeX since some use deprecated variables and others
> are simply wrong.

This is the general mailing list for all of Savannah and most users
don't know much about any specific projects. I can tell you that the
www-pl project I'm maintaining does not support a pull-request.

It might be best if you contact the developers of AUCTeX directly to
determine what is the best way to send them your improvements. On the
AUCTeX homepage, I can see several mailing lists:
https://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/mailing-lists.html

One of them is suited to developers, auctex-devel at gnu.org. Browsing
through the archives, it looks like there are a few discussions a
month, so you can expect a prompt response.

Kind regards,
Jan (a random Savannah user)

Re: Question on new project

[Jan Owoc]

Hello Nikolaos,

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:30 PM Nikolaos Chatzikonstantinou
 wrote:
>
> I would like to host a new project. It's currently sitting on my local
> drive in an unfinished state, but I would like to share it before its first
> release, to get input from others and so on.

I believe that Savannah accepts only projects that are somewhat complete.

> I wanted to ask you, where can I share it? Is it on
> ? Can I later start an application to have it
> hosted on ?

If it's not a GNU package, then nongnu is where you would host it.
This is where you can register your package, and then someone will
evaluate whether you meet the criteria for hosting on Savannah (free
license, no nonfree dependencies).
https://savannah.nongnu.org/register/

Jan
Savannah user, just like you

Re: I am installing gnuhealth on my ubuntu 20.04 but I am getting error

[Jan Owoc]

Hello Muhammas,

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 6:55 AM Muhammas shafi
 wrote:
>
> I am Installing gnuhealth on my Ubuntu.

You have reached the Savannah Users mailing list. We do not know much
about specific projects here. The project homepage lists several
public mailing lists.
https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/health

I think you will get a better answer by writing to either health or health-dev.
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/health
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/health-dev

> I am following the Wikibooks.org
>  page for the installation. everything goes right
> but when I enter the command source ${HOME}/.gnuhealthrc I give an error
> that no such file or directory. what should I do. and also cdexe command is
> also not working

When you write to one of the above mailing lists, I suggest that you
provide more information about which page specifically you're
following - I am guessing that it is
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/GNU_Health/Installation#Enable_the_BASH_environment_for_the_GNU_Health_admin
.

Did any of the previous steps (downloading, verifying, running the
installer) produce any warnings or error messages?

I don't know anything about GNU Health (well... I at least now know
that it exists), but the above information should help the developers
help you.

Jan

Re: Flet - new Bash built-in function

[Jan Owoc]

Hello Gianluca,

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 7:11 AM Gianluca Graziadei S308963
 wrote:
>
> for academic purposes, we have written a new bash builtins function
> whose name is FLET.
...
> How can I submit our work for your evaluation?

It is not clear what you mean by submitting the work for evaluation.

If you would like to host the code on Savannah, rather than Github,
then please read the hosting requirements described on the page below.
Feel free to continue using this mailing list for any questions about
Savannah.
https://savannah.gnu.org/register/requirements.php

If you would like to submit your code for official adoption as a GNU
Package, the requirements are listed below. If you have any questions,
average Savannah users (like me) don't know much about the details of
the process - you would need to contact gnueval AT gnu.org, as the
process is separate from Savannah.
https://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html

However, if you feel your additions to bash are best incorporated
upstream, then take a look at the bash homepage. Again, Savannah users
(like me) don't know much about specific packages - you would want to
contact the bash maintainers at bug-bash AT gnu.org.
https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/

Jan

Re: How to export Script Example WireStent

[Jan Owoc]

Hi,

This is the mailing list for Savannah, the hosting site. There are
hundreds of projects hosted here, and most users on this mailing list
don't know much about any specific project hosted on the site. (I've
never heard of the project until reading your email.)

On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 7:09 AM xiong via Discussion of
savannah-announce and any user-oriented topic 
wrote:
>
> i am sorry to interrupt you that some simple question（for me，of course， 
> diffculty），my confussion is：In Pyformex（ V3.0.1）/Script/WireStent, i can't 
> export it correctly(including .neu/ .obj/ .off/.ply)，as a result，Solid 
> works（2018） can‘t open it. Also Abaqus(2022) can't open .inp fommat file.
>Whether the reason that Abaqus can't open .inp fommat file is low Abaqus’s 
> Python Version（V 2.7）？Or Wrong Procedure of Install Pyformex ? How to 
> proceed? Could you give me some advice？

The .inp format for Abaqus is text-based, so you should be able to
look at the file to see if it looks correct (has sections defining
nodes, elements, solids). The version of Python used by Abaqus
shouldn't matter - can your install of Abaqus open other .inp files?
I'm not familiar with file types used by Solidworks.

If you still have issues, the Pyformex project homepage has a Support
sub-page. It doesn't look like the project has a mailing list, so your
support options are to open a bug report in either their Support
tracker or their Bug tracker. Doing either will require you to first
create and then log into a Savannah account.
https://www.nongnu.org/pyformex/support.html

While we can't help you with Pyformex, feel free to write back if you
are having issues creating/activating/logging into a Savannah account.

Kind regards,
Jan

Re: urgent: request for removal from appearing in my mail-list.

[Jan Owoc]

Hi Takeda,

I am a user of Savannah, like most people on this list.

On Monday, October 30th, 2023 at 12:17 AM, Takeda Shingen
 wrote:
>
> guys guys... sorry, i didn't expected you were to add my email to a search 
> engine-crawled email list, i would like request that every email you might 
> have related with this email-address i'm writing into might be deleted, 
> including this one as well if possible ASAP. specially those included in the 
> savannah-list if possible, from now on. thanks!

By writing to a public mailing list to which anyone can subscribe to,
you've made your email address available to all subscribers. Yes, the
archive (of this public mailing list) is available in a standard,
easy-to-parse, format:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/mbox/savannah-users/2023-04

I know that some Savannah admins read this list, so maybe they could
(in their volunteer time) let you know whether it's possible to
manually edit the archives to remove the 4 emails you've sent. They
cannot reach out to the thousands of subscribers of this email list.

Kind regards,
Jan

Re: Alternatives for the messaging app Signal

[Jan Owoc]

Hello Alessandro,

I'm not sure that this is the best mailing list for such a discussion.
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025, 07:02 Alessandro Greco  wrote:

> At this point I started doing some research for alternatives and found out
> that a decade ago there was LibreSignal[2], this project died due to
> technical support opposition (basically servers) from the creator of
> Signal[3], or at least that's what I could tell from the discussion there.
>

The code base for Signal is free. You are allowed to fork it, but the
original maintainers would prefer that you didn't use it to contact their
official clients. Their technical argument is that the message format might
change (so they are actively against federation).

This fork claims to be without the nonfree dependencies:

https://www.twinhelix.com/apps/signal-foss/

Maybe it would be possible to work with the project on stabilizing the
message format and then enabling federation? The FSF listed working with
the project as something that has high priority:

https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/voicevideochat

Getting to the point, I decided to write to this mailinglist to ask if
> there are any smartphone device users who can recommend me some free
> alternatives but more importantly if there is anything somehow “certified”
> by the FSF.
> If nothing exists for the smartphone then I would settle for some libre
> desktop app.
>

The FSF certifies licenses as "free". Then the Free Software Directory
contains lists of programs that use those free licenses. I suggest that you
start looking there:

https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Category/Chat

Jan